Bosco, you begin by keeping your dollars as far away from Lucas-related material as possible. That's my tack on the matter.
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Bosco Bosco <ironpi...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I dont even know where to begin. At least I know I'm right. Everything post > Empire has been designed to maximize merch sales rather than make great > movies. > > B > > > --- On *Tue, 8/17/10, Martin Baxter <martinbaxt...@gmail.com>* wrote: > > > From: Martin Baxter <martinbaxt...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Gary Kurtz Speaks Bluntly About George Lucas > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 8:05 AM > > > > > Keith, I would've loved to have seen Kurtz's proposed ending made real. > I've also read that the late SF author Leigh Brackett, who's listed as a > co-writer on "Empire", originally had Luke and Leia as NOT being brother and > sister, and that Luke had a twin sister somewhere out there, whom Han was > supposed to hook up with, allowing Luke and Leia to go off into the sunset > together. Lucas himself kiboshed that, but left in the kissing scenes. Draw > your own conclusions there... > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Keith Johnson > <keithbjohn...@comcast.net<http://mc/compose?to=keithbjohn...@comcast.net> > > wrote: > > > > Right. The online world used to be called Expanded Universe, but I can't > find that particular site anymore. Now it's unto Databank or something. But > yeah, all the aftermath stories show just how difficult it was to change the > course of the Empire. There were battles a-plenty left. Indeed, often there > can be more and more painful fighting after the evil leaders are gone. And > the relatively small number of Jedi would be hard tasked to restore a moral > center to the galaxy entire as they struggled to rebuild their Order and > make sure their own don't give in to temptation again. For example, I do > recall reading that the Emperor lived on in that shade form that Yodi and > Obi-Wan used, and continued to wreak his evil influence on people. I know > Luke is forced in a way to give in to the Dark Side, and I believe either > his son or his nephew also fell to the Darkness for a while. > Realistically, the ending Kurtz mentions, with Leia overwhelmed by the work > to be done, and Luke walking away to contemplate a difficult future, would > have been better. I'm surprised someone hasn't created a fan film where, > right in the middle of the Ewok Lua, a force of ships loyal to the Empire > didn't show up and bomb the place. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Baxter" > <martinbaxt...@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=martinbaxt...@gmail.com> > > > To: > scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com<http://mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 6:28:56 AM > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Gary Kurtz Speaks Bluntly About George Lucas > > > > Another spot-on analysis, Keith. Reminds me of a fantasy novel that came > out a few years ago (the name of which escapes me), considering what happens > after the happy ending, that there's the management and clean-up aspects yet > to be done. And I've read a few of the SW novels, enough to see the > strengthening foundation that been laid for the SWverse. One batch in > particular regards the Mandalorians (the clones of Jango Fett that chose not > to be Stormtroopers, packed up and left for Mandalor). They developed their > own unique culture, and even a language unlike any in the remnants of the > Empire. > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Keith Johnson > <keithbjohn...@comcast.net<http://mc/compose?to=keithbjohn...@comcast.net> > > wrote: > > > > The below from the interview really resonates with me. One problem i always > had with "Return of the Jedi" was the ending. I kept thinking that just > because the second Death Star was destroyed, and Vader and the Emperor dead, > that only meant the work was beginning. After all, there was a huge > interstellar apparatus in place that had aided and been complicit with the > Empire's depredations. This system included the rule of whole solar systems, > a corrupt Senate, leaders on hundreds of worlds loyal to the Empire that > gave them money and power, a military dedicated to the Empire, and a dearth > of Jedi to enforce the principles of the Old Republic. In short, the work > was indeed just beginning, and tackling the task of a galaxy-wide makeover > of a totalitarian state into a democratic one again would be a monumental > task. Look at how the former Soviet Union is already struggling mightily > with autocratic elements fighting with its democratic aspirations. They have > a Prime Minister who was an autocratic president who's basically their > strong man. > So the "Ewok lua" as he put it, was indeed premature. I think that if you > read some of the books, and study the Expanded Universe online, you see more > mature, thoughtful, and in-depth treatments that handle that world a lot > better than the kid- and crowd-pleasing movies. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Baxter" > <martinbaxt...@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=martinbaxt...@gmail.com> > > > To: "SciFiNoir2" > <scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com<http://mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 5:01:40 PM > Subject: [scifinoir2] Gary Kurtz Speaks Bluntly About George Lucas > > > > George Lucas, Mercenary Bastich First Class? You betcha, according to > Kurtz... > > > http://www.collider.com/2010/08/13/star-wars-and-empire-strikes-back-producer-gary-kurtz-speaks-bluntly-about-george-lucas-return-of-the-jedi-and-more/ > > -- > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
