All valid points. How did you like "Batman Begins"? A lot of people like it better than its sequel because it's tighter. Iron Man the first movie rocked. It's a tossup as to whether I'd prefer watching it or "Batman Begins" more often, but each is a great movie for repeated viewings. "Iron Man 2", not so much. I was disappointed.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelwyn" <ravena...@yahoo.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2010 1:10:17 PM Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Finally Saw Inception I "like" "The Dark Knight" fine. I have seen it many times. I just don't think it is overrated and, as I have mentioned here before, I think the persons of color in the movie are dispatched with extreme prejudice and I found that rather disturbing on first and subsequent viewings. Further, I can make some of the comments that Bosco made about "Inception" about "The Dark Knight," I thought the set-pieces were derivative and had been done better in other movies. And, yeah, it is too long. I much prefer the lean, mean action of the first "Iron Man" movie. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson <keithbjohn...@...> wrote: > > You didn't like "The Dark Knight"? Is that because it was a bit long and > could have used some editing, or did you just dislike the overall thing? > The one complain I have about the Dark Knight--two actually--were the camera > work (way too fast in fight scenes) and slight characterizations of Bruce > Wayne/Batman. I tend to like Wayne as a bit grimmer when alone (not playing > to the masses). Nolan's Bruce Wayne is a bit more "normal" or "balanced". Not > a bad thing, very subtle. An example: In "Batman Returns", with Michael > Keaton, there's a scene where the Bat signal is shown, and an elaborate > system atop Wayne Manor alerts Wayne. When we see Wayne, he's literally > sitting in the dark, just brooding. Nolan's way is ever so slightly less > brooding than that. In "The Dark Knight", he told Alfred "I wanted to inspire > the people of Gotham". I've never seen Wayne as wanting to inspire the people > of Gotham first and foremost, but, rather, to defeat and cow criminals, with > people feeling safe as a nice byproduct. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelwyn" <ravena...@...> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2010 12:48:52 PM > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Finally Saw Inception > > > > > > > I understood you were going to see "Inception," today. I was anticipating > your reaction. Although, since you LOVE "The Dark Knight," which I do not, > you may, indeed, love "Inception." I am in convo with someone on another list > who has loved everything Nolan has done since "Momento." I LIKE "Momento" and > I LOVE "Inception," but I HATE "Insomnia." > > I sit corrected regarding your take on "The Matrix." I believe I am correct > regarding Bosco's take, however. > > In either case, I take solace in the fact that even when I am wrong I was > born Wright. > > ~rave! > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson <KeithBJohnson@> wrote: > > > > Dude, put on your reading glasses! :) > > > > I haven't even *seen* "Inception" yet. Like i said, I am looking forward to > > seeing it, and am curious to compare glowing reviews against Bosco's more > > measured assessment. As for "The Matrix", no your memory doesn't serve well > > at all. I loved the Matrix. Indeed, I'm one of the few who loves the second > > and third Matrix films. So much of the mainstream public who was pulled > > into the first film more for the innovative FX and action, bailed as the > > Wachowski brothers moved more into philosophy and spiritualism. Hence, the > > sequels are almost legendary as examples of a franchise's quality > > diminishing, but no, I wasn't on that boat. I loved all three flicks. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kelwyn" <ravenadal@> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2010 11:10:23 AM > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Finally Saw Inception > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am roping off the Keith Johnson/Bosco Bosco curmudgeon section of the > > theater (not that anything is wrong with that). If memory serves me > > correctly both of you were in the same (wrong) camp regarding the first > > Matrix movie - and, for many of the same reasons. > > > > As an old (former) friend once told me: "There is no accounting for taste - > > AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY!" > > > > You can both be right and still be wrong. I recently saw "The Hangover" and > > I don't get it. It is stupid, pointlessly violent, (racist even) - but not > > funny. Millions beg to disagree with me. > > > > You two gentlemen obviously have both taste and erudition so I will just > > chalk this up to different strokes for different folks. > > > > ~rave! > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson <KeithBJohnson@> wrote: > > > > > > I plan to see it later today, having been late to the party as well. I'm > > > looking forward to it, based on your take, to compare against the hype. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bosco Bosco" <ironpigs3@> > > > To: "Sci Fi Noir" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 4, 2010 11:44:59 PM > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Finally Saw Inception > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lots of cool visual effects and technical complexities. It turns out the > > > tech complexities are mostly irrelevant. In fact the entire dreaming and > > > reality part of the story is pretty much pointless. It's a basically a > > > sci fi twist on some really old themes. The sci fi part is really fun but > > > those old themes have been conquered by better men with better skills > > > both in director's chair and in front of the camera. I would hazard a > > > guess that beyond some simple nostalgia in a few years no one will > > > remember this one or care about it. It won't hold up. You can boil the > > > entire movie down to father issues and regret issues and both have been > > > done better and more intelligently. I know I'm late to the party and I'm > > > clearly old because I don't find the hype accurate but I figured I would > > > weigh in anyway > > > > > > Bosco > > > > > >
