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Tracey
Chris Hayden wrote:
> <<Don't forget the Canadian label, also.
>
> Never forget>>
>
> --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
> Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I responded to it inadvertently. I posted around the same time
>>
> saying
>
>> basically, that I got the impression that as a member of two groups
>>
> that
>
>> frequently get pigeonholed into very tightly targeted genres with
>>
> very
>
>> segmented markets: (women and African Americans), I felt like she
>>
> she
>
>> was trying not to be labeled.
>>
>> Tracey
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dr. Lester K Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:59:12 -
>>> Subject: Re: [SciFiNoir Lit] Hopkinson sells out?
>>>
>>>
>>> Nora made the most cogent point, given Hopkinson's comments...but
>>>
> no
>
>>> one has responded to it:
>>> On Jun 1, 2006, at 2:08 PM, Nora wrote:
>>>
>>> <<I think I responded to it. She thinks it is a disservice. I
>>>
> do not.
>
>>>
>>> Let us be Frank. Nalo Hopkinson is not suffering as a result of
>>>
> my actions. She will lose no sleep. She will suffer no anguish. No
> one will stand up at her next readings and demand she be down with
> Afrofuturism or else. If this discussion comes to her attention, if
> she pays it any attention, it will probably be to laugh.
>
>>>
>>> Nora is attributing to her feelings and reactions she might not
>>>
> have. But she is passionate and committed and fun.
>
>>>
>>> It is possible even that Nalo Hopkinson, after some thought,
>>>
> might agree with me and withdraw her comments. Where will all of you
> be then?
>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I think it's a disservice, both to authors and to this nascent
>>>> movement, to
>>>> hijack people into it. A movement doesn't *need* to go hunting
>>>>
> for
>
>>>> members,
>>>> if it has the ideological strength to grow and develop on its
>>>>
> own; its
>
>>>> members will find it, because it serves a need. But when
>>>>
> people
>
>>>> declare
>>>> that so-and-so's work *must* be Afrofuturism, whether that
>>>>
> person
>
>>>> intended
>>>> it that way or not, they're trying to bogart her into it. The
>>>> thing is, by
>>>> doing this they make the movement, if indeed it is a movement,
>>>>
> look
>
>>>> too weak
>>>> to stand on its own. It has to coerce its most prominent
>>>>
> members
>
>>>> to join?
>>>> That's not a movement, that's Scientology.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> <<Furthermore this is from a person who has told me--not once,
>>>
> but several times--to "Love it or Leave it" when it comes to Sci Fi.
>
>>>
>>> I am going to make her Queen of Black Speculative Fiction if it
>>>
> kills me>>
>
>>>
>>>
>>> What I got from her comments is that she was real uncomfortable
>>>
> being
>
>>> labeled as the leader of something just because she was one of
>>>
> the
>
>>> most successful folks (art wise) on the afrofuturist list. The
>>>
> only
>
>>> two people who could compare to her are probably Kodwo Eshun and
>>>
> DJ
>
>>> Spooky (who have both since left the list). The "movement" to
>>>
> the
>
>>> degree it exists could be about all types of stuff that she
>>>
> doesn't
>
>>> know about....but because she's black, an author, and used to be
>>>
> on
>
>>> the list, she is not only associated with the concept, SHE IS
>>>
> ASKED
>
>>> TO SPEAK AUTHORITATIVELY ABOUT IT.
>>>
>>> <<What's wrong with that? Isn't that what happens to you when
>>>
> you get out in public?
>
>>>
>>> If I am not mistaken that is how you make your living.
>>>
>>> It's honest.>>
>>>
>>> In that context? If someone asks me to speak about something
>>>
> from
>
>>> the authoritative standpoint, and I don't actually have expertise?
>>>
>>> I back the hell up.
>>>
>>> <<Excuse me if there was a gap in the typing. I fainted dead
>>>
> away at the intelligence that LK Spence has a "reverse" gear on it.
>
>>>
>>> I seem to remember a discussion we had about amendments to the
>>>
> Constitution a while back...>>
>
>>> This is what she did, from my perspective.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Even worse, by insinuating that she's a sellout if she doesn't,
>>>>
> any
>
>>>> Afrofuturists trying to claim Nalo may effectively achieve the
>>>> complete
>>>> opposite effect, and send her running for the hills.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Chris is just trying to get people interested enough to respond,
>>>
> but
>
>>> I feel you.
>>>
>>> <<If she runs for the hills it will be to get her shootin' irons,
>>>
> I bet. You don't get to be Nalo Hopkinson without being able to get
> down.
>
>>>
>>> Nora is being protective. She is doing it out of love.
>>>
>>> That's why we adore her>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> > Bullshit. It's one thing to discuss the probable intentions
>>>>>
> of an
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> author
>>>> who's dead, or impossible (for us) to contact, a la Octavia
>>>> Butler. But to
>>>> do this to a woman who's alive, when **you've got her blog
>>>>
> right
>
>>>> there** and
>>>> you can talk to her directly, and to do it with this
>>>>
> deliberately
>
>>>> insulting
>>>> polemic, smacks of whispering behind your hand to me. It's
>>>> disrespectful
>>>> and cowardly, not to mention catty as hell.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> <<Catty? Isn't that a sexist term? If I was a woman, I might be
>>>
> insulted.
>
>>>
>>> Maybe I came to you guys first instead of insulting her. So if I
>>>
> was wrong I could be set straight. Very well.
>
>>>
>>> Nobody calls out The Notorious BIG of SF. See my email to her.>>
>>>
>>> One of the first threads I participated in when I got here was on
>>>
> a
>
>>> thread where someone asked what Steven Barnes needed to do
>>>
> to "get to
>
>>> the next level."
>>>
>>> I said my piece...and then we had a long discussion about it.
>>>
>>> After a while I realized that it was foolish for me to talk
>>>
> about
>
>>> Barnes HERE...and not do so to HIM (http://darkush.blogspot.com
>>>
> for
>
>>> those interested). For two reasons. The first is that many
>>>
> people
>
>>> who participated didn't read the work under question, and
>>>
> probably
>
>>> HAVEN'T read his stuff. But the other reason is stated above by
>>> Nora. Barnes is not only NOT dead, but he's incredibly
>>>
> accessible.
>
>>> Chris I know you were provocative to create the context for
>>> discussion, but the "it takes too much" argument is a very weak
>>>
> one.
>
>>> If I could do it with Barnes, then you should be able to do it
>>>
> with
>
>>> Nalo.
>>>
>>>
>>> peace
>>> lks
>>>
>>> <<You guys souped me up until I took the bait. If the heavens
>>>
> fall you have only yourselves to blame. It took too much. But I
> found an email address for her that didn't.
>
>>>
>>> Now the fur will fly.>>
>>>
>>> Chris
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