<<I think it would be better if you used your enourmous influence and staggering brainpower to affect change in your arena--publishing articles and books(you could even have some of use help a little with research, or use your assistants (they get credit for it, don't they), getting the books in your library, getting some courses on the curriculum, bringing it up in faculty meetings, using your spellbinding oration and big, booming bull-like voice to speak and lecture tirelessly from dusk to dawn 24/7)
But a list would not hurt. It would help even more if it was a list of stuff that each contributor had successfully accomplished.>> --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Lester K Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Chris, every idea I came up with could work for SOMEONE. > > But that's not the point. > > If ten people on this list came up with ten different ideas on how to > market science fiction to black readers, that would be ONE HUNDRED > MORE IDEAS THAN EXIST ANYWHERE ON THE INTERNET. > > What your "actions" here say is that you are more interested in > cutting down the ideas of others, than you are doing work. > > Work needed to build the community of readers you say you want. > > Why are you quick to cut, but slow to build? > ***** > > > I like this list. I see it as having the potential to put black > science fiction writers and readers on the map. > > I think a list of tips for black science fiction writers is a > worthwhile project. > > Would those with other ideas please send them to the list? > > > thanks > lks > > > > > On Aug 9, 2006, at 6:04 PM, Chris Hayden wrote: > > > <<I came up with one that worked. You came up with ten that you > > think might. Lester you ain't come up with one idea that you ever put > > into practice yourself. > > > > But what do they say? > > > > Those who can do. Those who can't teach. > > > > Ta ta. > > > > --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Lester K Spence" > > <kspence@> wrote: > > > > > > "get them where they at" doesn't mean ANYTHING. > > > > > > if it isn't hard to come up with workable ideas, COME UP WITH SOME. > > > > > > i came up with ten in about fifteen minutes. > > > > > > you're the sf author. come up with ten more. that's how you can > > help. > > > > > > > > > lks > > > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Chris Hayden wrote: > > > > > > > <<Ten is a totally arbitrary number. I started all this when I > > came > > > > up with one that seems to work. > > > > > > > > If I have tried some of your suggestions, and seen them fall on > > their > > > > butts, and remain mute, am I helping? > > > > > > > > > > Take for instance your suggestions that we approach black > > sororities > > > > and fraternities. > > > > > > > > I tried that with my own novel, A Vampyre Blues. Didn't even get > > any > > > > responses. > > > > > > > > Talked it over with a friend who is in a frat. > > > > > > > > He asked first of all what frat I am a member of. None. Strike > > three > > > > and you're out. > > > > They are social organizations. They respond first and foremost to > > > > members of that organization. Or somebody who is offering > > something > > > > that will further the purposes or operation of the organization. > > > > > > > > Now, a person who belongs to a frat or a sorority will be able to > > at > > > > least get an ear. They will face some problems in that they will > > > > need some angle that helps the organization. > > > > > > > > I remember a person posting here who was a member of one of these > > > > organizations who stated that his SF world he kept totally > > separate > > > > from the frat world. There was an opportunity lost--but that's on > > > > them, I cannot force them. > > > > > > > > In addition to going where the people AT, we need to be able to > > > > operate where WE at. Somebody came up with the idea of enlisting a > > > > rapper. If you know a rapper go to it. If you do not, you are wee > > > > weeing in the wind from what I have seen. > > > > > > > > I believe it was Booker T. who said, "Cast down your buckets where > > > > you are." > > > > > > > > You came up with lots of suggestions. That is fairly easy to do, > > you > > > > know. > > > > > > > > Look at yourself. You are teaching at a University. You did not > > > > mention talking to the faculty where you are, forming an > > organization > > > > on campus, getting some courses started, lecturing, publishing > > books > > > > or articles on black SF, that sort of thing. > > > > > > > > I am serious about this enough to have gone and taken an > > opportunity > > > > that I might have used solely to advance my own writings--I am a > > > > writer--to advance the cause, if you will, of Black SF. Grandiose > > > > plans that others will have to put into place have a certain > > > > attraction--but I think we should try to get on the practical > > side, > > > > too. > > > > > > > > After all, even though we read fantasy and write it that doesn't > > mean > > > > we have to live in a fantasy world. > > > > > > > > --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Lester K Spence" > > > > <kspence@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Chris, when you asked for solutions, I first tripped...then said > > > > what > > > > > the hell. Started out with ten. > > > > > > > > > > I KNOW there are problems with the ten I proposed. I just wrote > > > > down > > > > > ideas off the rip. > > > > > > > > > > Come up with another ten that works. > > > > > > > > > > Then get anyone that criticizes YOUR ten to come up with another > > > > ten. > > > > > > > > > > Then get people who are writers to come up with another ten. > > > > > > > > > > Then put it all on a website somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Community email addresses: Post message: SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe Digest Mode: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SciFiNoir_Lit/ Yahoo! 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