On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 19:15:23 +0200 Christoph Sch?fer <christoph-schaefer at gmx.de> wrote:
> Am Freitag, 9. April 2010 08:46:40 schrieb a.l.e: > > hi > > > > > > > We > > > > > thought that it would be nice to have a some talks from > > > > > developers that work on Qt based programs but don't use the > > > > > KDE framework. We're in particular interested to hear about > > > > > why Qt is used and why there is no KDE integration. > > > > > > 2. Whether KDE 4 is terrible lies in the eye of the beholder/user, > > > and personally I happen to disagree with you. > > > > the distributions i know, don't offer both a version of the > > software with kdelib dependences and one without it: in my > > opinion, integrating any software which is not a core tool in the > > desktop environment is a pain for everybody who happens to have a > > lightweight system (and doesn't want to install kde). > > > > we have more and more half baked solution for gnome, kde, xcfe, qt, > > kde, and so on which can't be merged because their basically not > > compatible (i talk about applications for mails, calendars, music > > playing, web browsing, drawing, managing photos, ...) > > > > there may be some good reasons why some applications get > > implemented in two ways, but it's not healthy when the goal of each > > frameworks is to exclusively "attract" more and more applications in > > their "world". > > > > > > so, dear kde folks, what i can suggest to you, is to look for a way > > to let QT integrate with KDE at runtime (depending on the > > availability of the kdelibs). > > or look at the problem the other way around: how can kde (and gnome > > and xfce, ...) offer its services to scribus without expecting the > > scribus devs to target your specific desktop environment? > > i don't know who you have invited to your kde conference, but -- > > imho -- you should be inviting the gnome, gtk, trolltech, > > enlightenment, xfce folks and find with them how to enhance the kde > > integration of most of the applications being developed without kde. > > > > your invitation to the scribus team looks to me like a lobbying act > > tending to get scribus to become a kde app. this is something > > against which a random slackware user will react emotionally... > > and this is something makes me shake my head. > > I think your choice of words is inappropriate. This is an invitation > to an Open Source conference. Akademy has earned an excellent > reputation, and to excoriate such an invitation as a "lobbying act" > is impolite, to say the least. they are inviting developers (not the team) to see why scribus is a qt application but not a kde application. afaik, the kde community wants scribus to become a kde application and it's their right to do so. i don't know how life is in germany, but in the countries i know, such a way of doing is called lobbying. still, i wonder why you think that talking about lobbying is impolite: i do much lobbying for free software (and for scribus), too and i have never felt bad for it! > Attacking someone because he sends out an invitation is childish, so > please stop it. i don't attack anybody and i think i have made some quite positive -- non childish -- propositions. and i don't think that i would have posted a mail under this topic if no discussion about kde had been started by somebody else. i wish all the free DE good luck and i hope that they get better and better because they are very important for the people who need them. but i'm also convinced that it's a bad idea to tie applications like konqueror, evince, totem, krita, amarok, ... scribus to any single DE. take care a.l.e p.s.: i have re-read my mail and i have some difficulties to find where are the inappropriate words in the context of a post on a mailing list...
