Am Freitag, 9. April 2010 21:06:10 schrieb a.l.e: > On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 19:15:23 +0200 > > Christoph Sch?fer <christoph-schaefer at gmx.de> wrote: > > Am Freitag, 9. April 2010 08:46:40 schrieb a.l.e: > > > hi > > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > thought that it would be nice to have a some talks from > > > > > > developers that work on Qt based programs but don't use the > > > > > > KDE framework. We're in particular interested to hear about > > > > > > why Qt is used and why there is no KDE integration. > > > > > > > > 2. Whether KDE 4 is terrible lies in the eye of the beholder/user, > > > > and personally I happen to disagree with you. > > > > > > the distributions i know, don't offer both a version of the > > > software with kdelib dependences and one without it: in my > > > opinion, integrating any software which is not a core tool in the > > > desktop environment is a pain for everybody who happens to have a > > > lightweight system (and doesn't want to install kde). > > > > > > we have more and more half baked solution for gnome, kde, xcfe, qt, > > > kde, and so on which can't be merged because their basically not > > > compatible (i talk about applications for mails, calendars, music > > > playing, web browsing, drawing, managing photos, ...) > > > > > > there may be some good reasons why some applications get > > > implemented in two ways, but it's not healthy when the goal of each > > > frameworks is to exclusively "attract" more and more applications in > > > their "world". > > > > > > > > > so, dear kde folks, what i can suggest to you, is to look for a way > > > to let QT integrate with KDE at runtime (depending on the > > > availability of the kdelibs). > > > or look at the problem the other way around: how can kde (and gnome > > > and xfce, ...) offer its services to scribus without expecting the > > > scribus devs to target your specific desktop environment? > > > i don't know who you have invited to your kde conference, but -- > > > imho -- you should be inviting the gnome, gtk, trolltech, > > > enlightenment, xfce folks and find with them how to enhance the kde > > > integration of most of the applications being developed without kde. > > > > > > your invitation to the scribus team looks to me like a lobbying act > > > tending to get scribus to become a kde app. this is something > > > against which a random slackware user will react emotionally... > > > and this is something makes me shake my head. > > > > I think your choice of words is inappropriate. This is an invitation > > to an Open Source conference. Akademy has earned an excellent > > reputation, and to excoriate such an invitation as a "lobbying act" > > is impolite, to say the least. > > they are inviting developers (not the team) to see why scribus is a > qt application but not a kde application.
Quote:"We thought that it would be nice to have a some [1] talks from developers that work on Qt based programs but don't use the KDE framework. [2] We're in particular interested to hear about why Qt is used and why there is no KDE integration. (numbers in brackets added by me) These are two different topics. > > afaik, the kde community wants scribus to become a kde application and > it's their right to do so. If they want to create a KDE version of Scribus, they're free to do so. May I ask what's your source for the KDE community's desire to turn Scribus into a KDE application? > > i don't know how life is in germany, but in the countries i know, such > a way of doing is called lobbying. still, i wonder why you think > that talking about lobbying is impolite: i do much lobbying for free > software (and for scribus), too and i have never felt bad for it! > > > Attacking someone because he sends out an invitation is childish, so > > please stop it. > > i don't attack anybody and i think i have made some quite positive -- > non childish -- propositions. > > and i don't think that i > would have posted a mail under this topic if no discussion about kde > had been started by somebody else. > i wish all the free DE good luck and i hope that they get better and > better because they are very important for the people who need them. > but i'm also convinced that it's a bad idea to tie applications like > konqueror, evince, totem, krita, amarok, ... scribus to any single DE. Quote a.l.e: "your invitation to the scribus team looks to me like a lobbying act tending to get scribus to become a kde app. this is something against which a random slackware user will react emotionally... and this is something makes me shake my head." If you don't like a specific invitation say "no thanks" or ignore it. To me your original reply seemed to be outright hostile and inappropriate. Christoph
