Andreas, As a semi-professional snarky person myself, this is the risk you take when you post a snarky response. It's not the end of the world, nor are you being excommunicated from the SD Ruby community. Just get up, dust yourself off, and consider it a lesson learned.
Love, Jarin On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:26:18 PM UTC-7, andreas_kirn wrote: > > Well, I've been a member of this community for 4 or 5 years, and right now > I feel anything but welcome :( > > Andreas > > On Sep 11, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Bradly Feeley <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > I don't think it's about political correctness, it's just about being a > community where people feel welcome. > > > > Thanks, > > Bradly > > > > > > On Sep 11, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Guyren Howe <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > >>> I share the concerns that others had about what Andreas wrote. > >> > >> I'm sorry but I (and apparently others who unfortunately have chosen to > only agree with me privately) am concerned about needless political > correctness in all this. > >> > >> I am still *completely and utterly mystified* about who would be > offended by what Andreas wrote and what about it was offensive. With the > best will in the world, I would be unable to avoid in future offending the > folks who were offended by this, without understanding what they found > offensive about it. > >> > >>> I share the concerns that others had about what Andreas wrote. > >>> > >>> - Would it be appropriate to ask these questions in person during a > job interview at HP? NO. > >>> > >>> - Was he really unsure if the job post was from the same HP that has > suffered losses and layoffs? NO. > >>> > >>> - Did he really care whether or not there was a ping-pong table? NO. > >>> > >>> While I think Andreas had no real interest in this job, even if he > did, his questions could have been phrased more professionally. Is this job > safe from the next round of layoffs at HP? Is there a fun, creative work > environment that maybe includes ping-pong tables? etc. > >>> > >>> Going forward, please email companies directly when replying to job > posts. (We may also create a jobs-only mailing list at some point in the > future too.) > >> > >> That the questions posed in Andreas' message were rhetorical tells me > nothing about why folks are offended by it. Rhetorical questions are > pervasive in discourse and clearly not offensive per se. If I was > interviewing at HP, one of my first questions would be about the company's > financial situation. > >> > >> This is not a rhetorical question, nor is it exaggeration: would > someone please explain to me who was likely to be offended by what Andreas > wrote and what it is that they would find offensive? Is it Mark? People who > might work at HP? People who are fans of the company? And is the offensive > content that it suggests such people would be an idiot for working there? > Or perhaps it seems to be laughing at the people who lost their jobs? I > really have no earthly idea. > >> > >>> Going forward, please email companies directly when replying to job > posts. (We may also create a jobs-only mailing list at some point in the > future too.) > >> > >> Alternatively, going forward, please refrain from being offended by > something written in a public forum unless it was clearly intended to be > offensive. I maintain that the questions raised (rhetorically, to be sure) > were likely to be of interest to other members of the community and were > therefore quite appropriate to air publicly. That you happen to dislike the > way it was expressed is not to my mind sufficient reason to start this > kerfuffle. > >> > >> The etiquette standards for an online community should be concerned > with anything that is clearly trolling or offensive. Please understand that > online communication is demonstrably informal and easily misunderstood, and > adopt an attitude of tolerance in your interpretation. This is much > preferable to having a community where everyone feels that they have to > walk on eggshells. > >> > >> -- > >> SD Ruby mailing list > >> [email protected] <javascript:> > >> http://groups.google.com/group/sdruby > > > > -- > > SD Ruby mailing list > > [email protected] <javascript:> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sdruby > > -- SD Ruby mailing list [email protected] http://groups.google.com/group/sdruby
