As I pointed out, I'm distinguishing between ~when~ you write your tests and what is ~driving~ your development. I write my tests first, but the perfect world the TDD evangelist would promote of having your stakeholder writing some high level (think something like cucumber) test as the product or feature spec is dead (if it ever lived in the first place). The fact of the matter is that in most companies and groups I've worked with, the product 'owners' either don't have the skills/expertise/comfort to write those high level tests or they feel like that is on the engineering-side of the fence and toss over some non-code document for us engineers to parse into a codable spec.
Hopefully that clears up my point. Colin On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 7:57:06 PM UTC-7, Ylan Segal wrote: > > I disagree Colin. > > I test-drive most of my code and find it very useful. As any other skill > it, requieres practice. > > I have found that I am more confident "growing" my code guided by test. When > I write tests after the fact it always feels like a chore. > > That said, I dislike tests that are obsessed with mocking everything > except the code under tests. I think those tests are brittle and I worry > about false green because of drifting apis hidden by mocks. > > -- > Ylan Segal > > On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Colin Ross wrote: > > Yes, I agree with Jarin. > TDD (Test DRIVEN development) as in tests being to main driver to > software development is dead (or, more so imho, never really *lived* in the > first place). Testing code and giving a great importance to having a > maintained, constantly passing, and rigorous test suite is alive and well. > This doesn't discount actually writing a test for a feature before you > implement said feature, which I agree with as a best practice, but test are > not a substitute for the real stakeholder of your product. > > Colin > > On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 4:45:36 PM UTC-7, Jarin Udom wrote: > > I think it should be made clear that whether or not TDD is dead, *testing* > is still alive and well :) > > Jarin > > On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 1:51:34 PM UTC-7, Rafael Cardoso wrote: > > ThoughtWorks is organizing a friendly conversation about the death of TDD > between big names in our space. > > I thought the group would be interested to watch: > > https://plus.google.com/events/ci2g23mk0lh9too9bgbp3rbut0k > > -- > -- > SD Ruby mailing list > [email protected] <javascript:> > http://groups.google.com/group/sdruby > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "SD Ruby" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- -- SD Ruby mailing list [email protected] http://groups.google.com/group/sdruby --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SD Ruby" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
