Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF
What I would like to know though is were the selection comittee aware that PCM planned to list thier selection without having first booked or even contacted the artists involved? I probably didn't make much sense in my last post ... I think people are getting the lists of performers mixed up. The list they were referring to in the paper (the one they had compiled before contacting anyone) was internal. Lots of time and events passed between that and the list they finally released to the public. -d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF
My sense is that Dan has it exactly right. The selection board did its job, and the follow-through wasn't there. No surprise. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF
Amen, Fred, Amen. -m At 4:08 PM -0700 4/15/02, Fred Heutte wrote: My sense is that Dan has it exactly right. The selection board did its job, and the follow-through wasn't there. No surprise. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF
smartass rob theakston said james= one half of drexciya along with noted actress Bea Arthur. the chick from the Golden Girls on R S oh the confusion... jeff james= one half of drexciya along with noted actress Bea Arthur. -Original Message- From: marsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 4:31 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF who's james? ;) ( just a next one in the series of 'who is.. ?' ) At 15-4-2002 -0400 16:27, you wrote: maybe they knew who this Drexciyan DJ was and contacted him (her? it?) directly instead of through James? I think they know better than to play with fire ... er, water. -d At 10:25 PM +0200 4/15/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure most of you have pretty much figured it out anyway, but just to confirm it. James from Drexciya has told me they will not be doing the DEMF and will infact be in Atlanta that weekend. It seems they did indeed have no knowledge of the listing nor will they ever perform at the festival. Just what the hell was the deal with that phoney line up??? Fu%@ed up aint even the word for that. .. . :: http://nomorewords.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF
And if I recall well all the pictures on the site are from the -by now more than legendary - first edition of the DEMF. Why is that? Forgot to pay last year's photographer??? And damn right about the total lack of respect for some of the true people in Detroit. John From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:19:20 +0200 Hey man its a shame because If PCM continue to disrespect guys like these and lose all support of the Detroit techno community, then the rest of the world is soon gonna follow. People have way too much respect for guys like UR and Derrick to continue supporting an event that continues to flex its commercial muscle over the scene and music they have built. When you think it was partly the vision of guys like Derrick and Carl that gave birth to the DEMF to begin with, only to then publicly diss Carl and now show an utter lack of respect to the professionalism of many other Detroit artists, right down to the tiniest detail of having Derrick on the website homepage after he had voiced his distance from the whole project. Maybe I've got it all wrong, hey what do I really know. What I would like to know though is were the selection comittee aware that PCM planned to list thier selection without having first booked or even contacted the artists involved? Stewart - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF What I find unbelievable is that this is a Detroit based promoter who is f*cking around with one of the toughest artist collectives (UR Drexciya) in the city and have a reputation for calling it like it is. Clearly shows that PCM is way out of touch with the techno community in their own city! Laughing (in a sort of sad way) at how absolutely terribly bad they f*cked that up. MEK - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF
And if I recall well all the pictures on the site are from the -by now more than legendary - first edition of the DEMF. Why is that? Forgot to pay last year's photographer??? For both editions the official photographer was Joe Vaughn. Last year he probably made tons of pictures because he was constantly all over the place. Never saw any of them though, unfortunatly. He also made a reportage of people with the pink I support Carl Craig sticker. Hans -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://technotourist.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF
marsel wrote: who's james? hetfield, of drexciyallica fame. glyn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF
- Original Message - From: Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Osselaer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 2:24 AM Subject: Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF And if I recall well all the pictures on the site are from the -by now more than legendary - first edition of the DEMF. Why is that? Forgot to pay last year's photographer??? For both editions the official photographer was Joe Vaughn. Last year he probably made tons of pictures because he was constantly all over the place. Never saw any of them though, unfortunatly. He also made a reportage of people with the pink I support Carl Craig sticker. Yeah. This was supposed to be published in a magazine somewhere. Perhaps, I'm jaded by all of this, but could that be the reason the pics were never published? I'd love to see that pic he took of me and two technotourists - sporting our Detroit pink. :) Tristan --- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Drexciya and the DEMF
I'm sure most of you have pretty much figured it out anyway, but just to confirm it. James from Drexciya has told me they will not be doing the DEMF and will infact be in Atlanta that weekend. It seems they did indeed have no knowledge of the listing nor will they ever perform at the festival. Just what the hell was the deal with that phoney line up??? Fu%@ed up aint even the word for that. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.digital-soul.co.uk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF
maybe they knew who this Drexciyan DJ was and contacted him (her? it?) directly instead of through James? I think they know better than to play with fire ... er, water. -d At 10:25 PM +0200 4/15/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure most of you have pretty much figured it out anyway, but just to confirm it. James from Drexciya has told me they will not be doing the DEMF and will infact be in Atlanta that weekend. It seems they did indeed have no knowledge of the listing nor will they ever perform at the festival. Just what the hell was the deal with that phoney line up??? Fu%@ed up aint even the word for that. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.digital-soul.co.uk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF
who's james? ;) ( just a next one in the series of 'who is.. ?' ) At 15-4-2002 -0400 16:27, you wrote: maybe they knew who this Drexciyan DJ was and contacted him (her? it?) directly instead of through James? I think they know better than to play with fire ... er, water. -d At 10:25 PM +0200 4/15/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure most of you have pretty much figured it out anyway, but just to confirm it. James from Drexciya has told me they will not be doing the DEMF and will infact be in Atlanta that weekend. It seems they did indeed have no knowledge of the listing nor will they ever perform at the festival. Just what the hell was the deal with that phoney line up??? Fu%@ed up aint even the word for that. .. . :: http://nomorewords.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF
james= one half of drexciya along with noted actress Bea Arthur. -Original Message- From: marsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 4:31 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF who's james? ;) ( just a next one in the series of 'who is.. ?' ) At 15-4-2002 -0400 16:27, you wrote: maybe they knew who this Drexciyan DJ was and contacted him (her? it?) directly instead of through James? I think they know better than to play with fire ... er, water. -d At 10:25 PM +0200 4/15/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure most of you have pretty much figured it out anyway, but just to confirm it. James from Drexciya has told me they will not be doing the DEMF and will infact be in Atlanta that weekend. It seems they did indeed have no knowledge of the listing nor will they ever perform at the festival. Just what the hell was the deal with that phoney line up??? Fu%@ed up aint even the word for that. .. . :: http://nomorewords.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF
Well if its been esatblished that this is thier selection policy then I missed that, but what the hell!! Sorry if this has been discussed to death, but surely that breaks every ethical rule of party promotion in the book. Firstly it seems kinda presumptious to assume that DJs who may well have prior bookings across that weekend will drop everything and dissapoint those looking forward to hearing them at prebooked and planned parties and secondly did it not occur to them that some artists, who they might even have contracted through more appropriate channels, would end up dissing the event through thier sheer audicity. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, but it really seems like a huge mess and one thats gonna really harm the festivals reputation. Just my 2 pence worth Stewart - Original Message - From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 9:29 PM Subject: RE: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF if u read the previous posts about demf, they pick the artists BEFORE talking to them -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 4:26 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF I'm sure most of you have pretty much figured it out anyway, but just to confirm it. James from Drexciya has told me they will not be doing the DEMF and will infact be in Atlanta that weekend. It seems they did indeed have no knowledge of the listing nor will they ever perform at the festival. Just what the hell was the deal with that phoney line up??? Fu%@ed up aint even the word for that. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.digital-soul.co.uk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF
What I find unbelievable is that this is a Detroit based promoter who is f*cking around with one of the toughest artist collectives (UR Drexciya) in the city and have a reputation for calling it like it is. Clearly shows that PCM is way out of touch with the techno community in their own city! Laughing (in a sort of sad way) at how absolutely terribly bad they f*cked that up. MEK - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF
Hey man its a shame because If PCM continue to disrespect guys like these and lose all support of the Detroit techno community, then the rest of the world is soon gonna follow. People have way too much respect for guys like UR and Derrick to continue supporting an event that continues to flex its commercial muscle over the scene and music they have built. When you think it was partly the vision of guys like Derrick and Carl that gave birth to the DEMF to begin with, only to then publicly diss Carl and now show an utter lack of respect to the professionalism of many other Detroit artists, right down to the tiniest detail of having Derrick on the website homepage after he had voiced his distance from the whole project. Maybe I've got it all wrong, hey what do I really know. What I would like to know though is were the selection comittee aware that PCM planned to list thier selection without having first booked or even contacted the artists involved? Stewart - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF What I find unbelievable is that this is a Detroit based promoter who is f*cking around with one of the toughest artist collectives (UR Drexciya) in the city and have a reputation for calling it like it is. Clearly shows that PCM is way out of touch with the techno community in their own city! Laughing (in a sort of sad way) at how absolutely terribly bad they f*cked that up. MEK - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF
PCM has never been in touch with the Detroit techno community. On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I find unbelievable is that this is a Detroit based promoter who is f*cking around with one of the toughest artist collectives (UR Drexciya) in the city and have a reputation for calling it like it is. Clearly shows that PCM is way out of touch with the techno community in their own city! Laughing (in a sort of sad way) at how absolutely terribly bad they f*cked that up. MEK - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF
PCM would probably tell you that they own the rights to those photos of Derrick May and Hawtin that our up on their website. (C-Pop was trying to sell prints of them for the past two years) Funny, why are there no classic pictures of Bone On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey man its a shame because If PCM continue to disrespect guys like these and lose all support of the Detroit techno community, then the rest of the world is soon gonna follow. People have way too much respect for guys like UR and Derrick to continue supporting an event that continues to flex its commercial muscle over the scene and music they have built. When you think it was partly the vision of guys like Derrick and Carl that gave birth to the DEMF to begin with, only to then publicly diss Carl and now show an utter lack of respect to the professionalism of many other Detroit artists, right down to the tiniest detail of having Derrick on the website homepage after he had voiced his distance from the whole project. Maybe I've got it all wrong, hey what do I really know. What I would like to know though is were the selection comittee aware that PCM planned to list thier selection without having first booked or even contacted the artists involved? Stewart - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF What I find unbelievable is that this is a Detroit based promoter who is f*cking around with one of the toughest artist collectives (UR Drexciya) in the city and have a reputation for calling it like it is. Clearly shows that PCM is way out of touch with the techno community in their own city! Laughing (in a sort of sad way) at how absolutely terribly bad they f*cked that up. MEK - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that he actually introduces himself as, Bone. Reminds me of some cheesy line from some early 90s movie where someone introduces himself as, Maverick. I think they're going for the same effect. mm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 5:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF Funny, why are there no classic pictures of Bone - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF
s were the selection comittee aware that PCM planned to list thier selection without having first booked or even contacted the artists involved? I really don't think that's how it happened. They come up with a wish list and work from there ... the artists that are listed now are booked AFAIK. We were not supposed to see the list that was posted at noon, and PCM has said so in the press. -d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
