[android-developers] Re: android.os.ServiceManager
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Seer wrote: > Sorry just to be clear. You work on the framework but not the > base/telephony part of the framework? Yes. > Is there anything in the > framework that allows an application to replace or override part of a > framework classes functionality? No. And you aren't even talking about replacing framework classes, you are talking about directing IPCs from one process to another. Another process that is not a system process, so can be killed or otherwise crash at any point. Just to do something at all like this would mean that this process needs to be forced to be kept running forever as long as it wants to implement this feature; even ignoring the stability issues, it's not something we want to do. > I know it is unlikely but figured it > is work asking. The following class is one i would love to override or > intercept or something like that > \base\telephony\java\android\telephony\gsm\SmsManager.java Sorry, you can't. > Would you happen to know anyone that could help or answer my > questions? I know you most people don't like to be contacted directly > or asked questions directly but maybe you could ask them to have a > look at this thread? As I said, you can try posting to android-platform. At this point this is not the right list for this discussion. > Thanks for the info so far. It has not exactly been what i want to > hear but it is still very useful and it is sounds more and more like i > want to do the impossible. :( Just my luck. Sorry about that. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: android.os.ServiceManager
Sorry just to be clear. You work on the framework but not the base/telephony part of the framework? Is there anything in the framework that allows an application to replace or override part of a framework classes functionality? I know it is unlikely but figured it is work asking. The following class is one i would love to override or intercept or something like that \base\telephony\java\android\telephony\gsm\SmsManager.java Would you happen to know anyone that could help or answer my questions? I know you most people don't like to be contacted directly or asked questions directly but maybe you could ask them to have a look at this thread? Thanks for the info so far. It has not exactly been what i want to hear but it is still very useful and it is sounds more and more like i want to do the impossible. :( Just my luck. Regards, Chris On Mar 18, 10:48 am, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > Sorry I can't help you, I know about the framework but not the telephony > layer or individual apps like SMS. > > > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Seer wrote: > > > Dianne, > > Thanks for the reply. The problem is I am not sure there is not > > already an API for it. That is what i am trying to find out but no > > one is really responding to say there is or there is not. I find it > > really strange that there would not be some way of hooking into the > > lower layers or to do what i am trying to do and that is why i keep > > asking but getting no responses. > > > All i want for the min is someone in the know to tell me if it is > > possible or not to intercept outgoing sms so that i can redirect them > > over the internet instead of the gsm network. Writing your own sending > > app and having users use that does not work as most uses will reply to > > sms and the reply part that sends the message is built into each sms > > client. The only place to intercept the sms is at a lower level than > > that as far as i can tell and it seems to me that anything on that > > level is not accessible. That said i am only learning Android and > > that is why i am asking for help to see if there is any options or > > anything i have over looked. Maybe on i am on the wrong discussion > > group i don't know. If i am can you point me to the correct one? > > > I really want to do things correctly and not use hacks but i am having > > trouble trying to find info on the correct way to do this. > > > Regards, > > > Chris > > > On Mar 18, 8:59 am, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > > > If there are features missing from the current system (such as an actual > > API > > > for applications to integrate with the low-level telephony SMS layer), > > you > > > can look at adding those to the platform and contributing patches to have > > > the feature in a future version. In that case, you can start a > > discussion > > > on android-platform with the telephony and other engineers to come up > > with a > > > design that everyone likes and will be accepted for the platform. > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Seer wrote: > > > > > So if that is not the way you are meant to services such as alternate > > > > SMS gateways, what is? Using intents will not work as most of the sms > > > > apps have the reply for a thread built in. This is the only way i > > > > have been able to discover to capture all outgoing sms so i can either > > > > redirect them over the web or over the mobile network. I find it sort > > > > of strange that the developers of Android did not think that people > > > > would want to also use alternate networks and mediums to the gsm > > > > network for things like calls and sms. With sms prices as high as > > > > they are in Australia the internet can be up to 5 times cheaper to > > > > send them and even with data costs that is still much cheaper. > > > > > I know all apps are meant to be equal but some apps / services need to > > > > be able to do things on a much lower level or have intents or > > > > something for the lower level services of the phone as well. > > > > > I am open to any ideas you have. > > > > > On Mar 17, 3:31 pm, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > > > > > You can't do this. Especially from the SDK, on so many levels: > > > > > > 1. ServiceManager is not public. The features it contains are not > > > > available > > > > > in the SDK. > > > > > 2. None of the interfaces of the services published in the service > > > > manager > > > > > are published in the SDK, so you wouldn't be able to redefine them > > > > anyway. > > > > > 3. And even if any of this were in the SDK, applications are not > > allowed > > > > to > > > > > modify what is published in the service manager, and they never will > > be > > > > able > > > > > to. > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Seer > > wrote: > > > > > > > Is there a way to access this class in the SDK or is there another > > > > > > class that does the same thing? I need to rename one of the > > services > > > > > > listed in the servicemanager so that it will call my s
[android-developers] Re: android.os.ServiceManager
Sorry I can't help you, I know about the framework but not the telephony layer or individual apps like SMS. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Seer wrote: > > Dianne, > Thanks for the reply. The problem is I am not sure there is not > already an API for it. That is what i am trying to find out but no > one is really responding to say there is or there is not. I find it > really strange that there would not be some way of hooking into the > lower layers or to do what i am trying to do and that is why i keep > asking but getting no responses. > > All i want for the min is someone in the know to tell me if it is > possible or not to intercept outgoing sms so that i can redirect them > over the internet instead of the gsm network. Writing your own sending > app and having users use that does not work as most uses will reply to > sms and the reply part that sends the message is built into each sms > client. The only place to intercept the sms is at a lower level than > that as far as i can tell and it seems to me that anything on that > level is not accessible. That said i am only learning Android and > that is why i am asking for help to see if there is any options or > anything i have over looked. Maybe on i am on the wrong discussion > group i don't know. If i am can you point me to the correct one? > > I really want to do things correctly and not use hacks but i am having > trouble trying to find info on the correct way to do this. > > Regards, > > Chris > > On Mar 18, 8:59 am, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > > If there are features missing from the current system (such as an actual > API > > for applications to integrate with the low-level telephony SMS layer), > you > > can look at adding those to the platform and contributing patches to have > > the feature in a future version. In that case, you can start a > discussion > > on android-platform with the telephony and other engineers to come up > with a > > design that everyone likes and will be accepted for the platform. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Seer wrote: > > > > > So if that is not the way you are meant to services such as alternate > > > SMS gateways, what is? Using intents will not work as most of the sms > > > apps have the reply for a thread built in. This is the only way i > > > have been able to discover to capture all outgoing sms so i can either > > > redirect them over the web or over the mobile network. I find it sort > > > of strange that the developers of Android did not think that people > > > would want to also use alternate networks and mediums to the gsm > > > network for things like calls and sms. With sms prices as high as > > > they are in Australia the internet can be up to 5 times cheaper to > > > send them and even with data costs that is still much cheaper. > > > > > I know all apps are meant to be equal but some apps / services need to > > > be able to do things on a much lower level or have intents or > > > something for the lower level services of the phone as well. > > > > > I am open to any ideas you have. > > > > > On Mar 17, 3:31 pm, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > > > > You can't do this. Especially from the SDK, on so many levels: > > > > > > 1. ServiceManager is not public. The features it contains are not > > > available > > > > in the SDK. > > > > 2. None of the interfaces of the services published in the service > > > manager > > > > are published in the SDK, so you wouldn't be able to redefine them > > > anyway. > > > > 3. And even if any of this were in the SDK, applications are not > allowed > > > to > > > > modify what is published in the service manager, and they never will > be > > > able > > > > to. > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Seer > wrote: > > > > > > > Is there a way to access this class in the SDK or is there another > > > > > class that does the same thing? I need to rename one of the > services > > > > > listed in the servicemanager so that it will call my service > instead > > > > > and then pass calls i don't handle onto the original service that i > > > > > have renamed. > > > > > > -- > > > > Dianne Hackborn > > > > Android framework engineer > > > > hack...@android.com > > > > > > Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time > to > > > > provide private support. All such questions should be posted on > public > > > > forums, where I and others can see and answer them. > > > > -- > > Dianne Hackborn > > Android framework engineer > > hack...@android.com > > > > Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to > > provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public > > forums, where I and others can see and answer them. > > > -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. --
[android-developers] Re: android.os.ServiceManager
Dianne, Thanks for the reply. The problem is I am not sure there is not already an API for it. That is what i am trying to find out but no one is really responding to say there is or there is not. I find it really strange that there would not be some way of hooking into the lower layers or to do what i am trying to do and that is why i keep asking but getting no responses. All i want for the min is someone in the know to tell me if it is possible or not to intercept outgoing sms so that i can redirect them over the internet instead of the gsm network. Writing your own sending app and having users use that does not work as most uses will reply to sms and the reply part that sends the message is built into each sms client. The only place to intercept the sms is at a lower level than that as far as i can tell and it seems to me that anything on that level is not accessible. That said i am only learning Android and that is why i am asking for help to see if there is any options or anything i have over looked. Maybe on i am on the wrong discussion group i don't know. If i am can you point me to the correct one? I really want to do things correctly and not use hacks but i am having trouble trying to find info on the correct way to do this. Regards, Chris On Mar 18, 8:59 am, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > If there are features missing from the current system (such as an actual API > for applications to integrate with the low-level telephony SMS layer), you > can look at adding those to the platform and contributing patches to have > the feature in a future version. In that case, you can start a discussion > on android-platform with the telephony and other engineers to come up with a > design that everyone likes and will be accepted for the platform. > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Seer wrote: > > > So if that is not the way you are meant to services such as alternate > > SMS gateways, what is? Using intents will not work as most of the sms > > apps have the reply for a thread built in. This is the only way i > > have been able to discover to capture all outgoing sms so i can either > > redirect them over the web or over the mobile network. I find it sort > > of strange that the developers of Android did not think that people > > would want to also use alternate networks and mediums to the gsm > > network for things like calls and sms. With sms prices as high as > > they are in Australia the internet can be up to 5 times cheaper to > > send them and even with data costs that is still much cheaper. > > > I know all apps are meant to be equal but some apps / services need to > > be able to do things on a much lower level or have intents or > > something for the lower level services of the phone as well. > > > I am open to any ideas you have. > > > On Mar 17, 3:31 pm, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > > > You can't do this. Especially from the SDK, on so many levels: > > > > 1. ServiceManager is not public. The features it contains are not > > available > > > in the SDK. > > > 2. None of the interfaces of the services published in the service > > manager > > > are published in the SDK, so you wouldn't be able to redefine them > > anyway. > > > 3. And even if any of this were in the SDK, applications are not allowed > > to > > > modify what is published in the service manager, and they never will be > > able > > > to. > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Seer wrote: > > > > > Is there a way to access this class in the SDK or is there another > > > > class that does the same thing? I need to rename one of the services > > > > listed in the servicemanager so that it will call my service instead > > > > and then pass calls i don't handle onto the original service that i > > > > have renamed. > > > > -- > > > Dianne Hackborn > > > Android framework engineer > > > hack...@android.com > > > > Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to > > > provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public > > > forums, where I and others can see and answer them. > > -- > Dianne Hackborn > Android framework engineer > hack...@android.com > > Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to > provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public > forums, where I and others can see and answer them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: android.os.ServiceManager
If there are features missing from the current system (such as an actual API for applications to integrate with the low-level telephony SMS layer), you can look at adding those to the platform and contributing patches to have the feature in a future version. In that case, you can start a discussion on android-platform with the telephony and other engineers to come up with a design that everyone likes and will be accepted for the platform. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Seer wrote: > > So if that is not the way you are meant to services such as alternate > SMS gateways, what is? Using intents will not work as most of the sms > apps have the reply for a thread built in. This is the only way i > have been able to discover to capture all outgoing sms so i can either > redirect them over the web or over the mobile network. I find it sort > of strange that the developers of Android did not think that people > would want to also use alternate networks and mediums to the gsm > network for things like calls and sms. With sms prices as high as > they are in Australia the internet can be up to 5 times cheaper to > send them and even with data costs that is still much cheaper. > > I know all apps are meant to be equal but some apps / services need to > be able to do things on a much lower level or have intents or > something for the lower level services of the phone as well. > > I am open to any ideas you have. > > On Mar 17, 3:31 pm, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > > You can't do this. Especially from the SDK, on so many levels: > > > > 1. ServiceManager is not public. The features it contains are not > available > > in the SDK. > > 2. None of the interfaces of the services published in the service > manager > > are published in the SDK, so you wouldn't be able to redefine them > anyway. > > 3. And even if any of this were in the SDK, applications are not allowed > to > > modify what is published in the service manager, and they never will be > able > > to. > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Seer wrote: > > > > > Is there a way to access this class in the SDK or is there another > > > class that does the same thing? I need to rename one of the services > > > listed in the servicemanager so that it will call my service instead > > > and then pass calls i don't handle onto the original service that i > > > have renamed. > > > > -- > > Dianne Hackborn > > Android framework engineer > > hack...@android.com > > > > Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to > > provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public > > forums, where I and others can see and answer them. > > > -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: android.os.ServiceManager
Even if it does everything I want kenny it will not stop the system also sending the sms via the gsm network as well. Best case would be 2 sms been sent On Mar 18, 1:46 am, Kenny wrote: > Reading the file frameworks/base/telephony/java/com/android/internal/ > telephony/gsm/SMSDispatcher.java, you can find handleSendComplete( ) > has a PendingIntent to send. I don't understand PendingIntent well, > only seeing the LOG code saying "SMS send complete. Broadcasting > intent ..." > > Is this sendIntent interceptable? Not sure if the > PendingIntent has extra data of SMS contents. Seer, let me know your > insight. > > Kenny > > On Mar 17, 12:54 pm, Seer wrote: > > > So if that is not the way you are meant to services such as alternate > > SMS gateways, what is? Using intents will not work as most of the sms > > apps have the reply for a thread built in. This is the only way i > > have been able to discover to capture all outgoing sms so i can either > > redirect them over the web or over the mobile network. I find it sort > > of strange that the developers of Android did not think that people > > would want to also use alternate networks and mediums to the gsm > > network for things like calls and sms. With sms prices as high as > > they are in Australia the internet can be up to 5 times cheaper to > > send them and even with data costs that is still much cheaper. > > > I know all apps are meant to be equal but some apps / services need to > > be able to do things on a much lower level or have intents or > > something for the lower level services of the phone as well. > > > I am open to any ideas you have. > > > On Mar 17, 3:31 pm, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > > > > You can't do this. Especially from the SDK, on so many levels: > > > > 1. ServiceManager is not public. The features it contains are not > > > available > > > in the SDK. > > > 2. None of the interfaces of the services published in the service manager > > > are published in the SDK, so you wouldn't be able to redefine them anyway. > > > 3. And even if any of this were in the SDK, applications are not allowed > > > to > > > modify what is published in the service manager, and they never will be > > > able > > > to. > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Seer wrote: > > > > > Is there a way to access this class in the SDK or is there another > > > > class that does the same thing? I need to rename one of the services > > > > listed in the servicemanager so that it will call my service instead > > > > and then pass calls i don't handle onto the original service that i > > > > have renamed. > > > > -- > > > Dianne Hackborn > > > Android framework engineer > > > hack...@android.com > > > > Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to > > > provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public > > > forums, where I and others can see and answer them.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: android.os.ServiceManager
Reading the file frameworks/base/telephony/java/com/android/internal/ telephony/gsm/SMSDispatcher.java, you can find handleSendComplete( ) has a PendingIntent to send. I don't understand PendingIntent well, only seeing the LOG code saying "SMS send complete. Broadcasting intent ..." Is this sendIntent interceptable? Not sure if the PendingIntent has extra data of SMS contents. Seer, let me know your insight. Kenny On Mar 17, 12:54 pm, Seer wrote: > So if that is not the way you are meant to services such as alternate > SMS gateways, what is? Using intents will not work as most of the sms > apps have the reply for a thread built in. This is the only way i > have been able to discover to capture all outgoing sms so i can either > redirect them over the web or over the mobile network. I find it sort > of strange that the developers of Android did not think that people > would want to also use alternate networks and mediums to the gsm > network for things like calls and sms. With sms prices as high as > they are in Australia the internet can be up to 5 times cheaper to > send them and even with data costs that is still much cheaper. > > I know all apps are meant to be equal but some apps / services need to > be able to do things on a much lower level or have intents or > something for the lower level services of the phone as well. > > I am open to any ideas you have. > > On Mar 17, 3:31 pm, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > > > > > You can't do this. Especially from the SDK, on so many levels: > > > 1. ServiceManager is not public. The features it contains are not available > > in the SDK. > > 2. None of the interfaces of the services published in the service manager > > are published in the SDK, so you wouldn't be able to redefine them anyway. > > 3. And even if any of this were in the SDK, applications are not allowed to > > modify what is published in the service manager, and they never will be able > > to. > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Seer wrote: > > > > Is there a way to access this class in the SDK or is there another > > > class that does the same thing? I need to rename one of the services > > > listed in the servicemanager so that it will call my service instead > > > and then pass calls i don't handle onto the original service that i > > > have renamed. > > > -- > > Dianne Hackborn > > Android framework engineer > > hack...@android.com > > > Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to > > provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public > > forums, where I and others can see and answer them.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: android.os.ServiceManager
So if that is not the way you are meant to services such as alternate SMS gateways, what is? Using intents will not work as most of the sms apps have the reply for a thread built in. This is the only way i have been able to discover to capture all outgoing sms so i can either redirect them over the web or over the mobile network. I find it sort of strange that the developers of Android did not think that people would want to also use alternate networks and mediums to the gsm network for things like calls and sms. With sms prices as high as they are in Australia the internet can be up to 5 times cheaper to send them and even with data costs that is still much cheaper. I know all apps are meant to be equal but some apps / services need to be able to do things on a much lower level or have intents or something for the lower level services of the phone as well. I am open to any ideas you have. On Mar 17, 3:31 pm, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > You can't do this. Especially from the SDK, on so many levels: > > 1. ServiceManager is not public. The features it contains are not available > in the SDK. > 2. None of the interfaces of the services published in the service manager > are published in the SDK, so you wouldn't be able to redefine them anyway. > 3. And even if any of this were in the SDK, applications are not allowed to > modify what is published in the service manager, and they never will be able > to. > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Seer wrote: > > > Is there a way to access this class in the SDK or is there another > > class that does the same thing? I need to rename one of the services > > listed in the servicemanager so that it will call my service instead > > and then pass calls i don't handle onto the original service that i > > have renamed. > > -- > Dianne Hackborn > Android framework engineer > hack...@android.com > > Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to > provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public > forums, where I and others can see and answer them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: android.os.ServiceManager
You can't do this. Especially from the SDK, on so many levels: 1. ServiceManager is not public. The features it contains are not available in the SDK. 2. None of the interfaces of the services published in the service manager are published in the SDK, so you wouldn't be able to redefine them anyway. 3. And even if any of this were in the SDK, applications are not allowed to modify what is published in the service manager, and they never will be able to. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Seer wrote: > > Is there a way to access this class in the SDK or is there another > class that does the same thing? I need to rename one of the services > listed in the servicemanager so that it will call my service instead > and then pass calls i don't handle onto the original service that i > have renamed. > > > -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
