Re: [arr]problems with the CWG song - did ARR feel truly inspired?

[kishore parayath]

ARR's T20 song was rocking..

Re: [arr]problems with the CWG song - did ARR feel truly inspired?

[V S Rawat]

On 9/1/2010 2:48 AM India Time, _vedavid manick_ wrote:

> People wanted something like waka waka.

Then they should have bought waka waka copyrights and used that in CWG 
also. They should not have bothered our man.

--
Rawat

Re: [arr]problems with the CWG song - did ARR feel truly inspired?

[yeshrao81]

"It takes 10 mins to compose a tune if you are truly inspired...given the fact 
that it took 6 months, there must have been something wrong somewhere..." I 
read this statement somewhere in the media...Am not quite sure whether to agree 
to this or not...But I tend to believe the CWG song is more from the head than 
heart! Hence atleast for me it looks as though the spirit/emotion in tune is 
overtaken by musical arrangements and layering in instruments!

But this is still nice as a standalone song...Probably I should remove my 
preconceived notion:)

--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "AJ"  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Pramod.  And thanks for not getting offended!  
> 
> I like your "in sync" thoughts.  
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Pramod  wrote:
> >
> > @ purevibz
> > 
> > You have a very valid point there The Head vs Heart issue might be quite
> > true..
> > 
> > @  shai > > listen to it without thinking it was made for CW..then u will
> > feel it
> > That is exactly the issue !!!
> > 
> > Most critics acknowledge that the song is exceptional. but they say it
> > isn't in perfect sync with the CWG...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Gomzy™  wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > i completely disagree. Since i like this like any good ARR song, i believe
> > > either you were expecting something else or are trying too hard.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 AM, AJ  wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I really think ARR worked hard on this song, but perhaps worked too hard,
> > >> if you know what I mean? His best songs are created when they are from 
> > >> his
> > >> heart more than from his head. Was he really inspired to do a theme song
> > >> about sports, since I know that ARR was never a passionate sports fan and
> > >> didn't follow teams much as a youngster?
> > >>
> > >> Maa Tujhe Salam and the entire Vande Mataram album was ARR's baby because
> > >> it was about India as a country..about the 50th anniversary and the whole
> > >> significance of that. ARR, as a very patriotic citizen, felt very 
> > >> inspired
> > >> to create a whole album in honor of that.
> > >>
> > >> In this case, he was "asked" to compose this song. Yes, it's a patriotic
> > >> song too, but not in the same emotional league as Vande Mataram from 
> > >> ARR's
> > >> perspective.
> > >>
> > >> It's not fair to compare Maa Tujhe Salam with this song for these reasons
> > >> alone IMO.
> > >>
> > >> I may be wrong about the above..just speculating here.
> > >>
> > >> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> > >> "Raghu"  wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > i do not think price tag is any issue here..
> > >> > 5.5 is not a thing compared to overall some 10,000k +
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> > >> shai  wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > guys,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > honestly i love the song but ...i think the main problem and the
> > >> critcizm that is going on is becoz of the '5.5 cr' price tag ...this 
> > >> alone
> > >> have increased the expectations to other universe it selfbut i really
> > >> think that 'maa tujhe salam; is worth more than 10 crore...clearly those 
> > >> who
> > >> disappointed with the song is expecting another maa tujhe salam which i
> > >> think is ridiculous...if u really want maa tujhe salam like a song then
> > >> better play the song itself for the CW why create another
> > >> one...?inspirational song will inspire u straight away,no need time for 
> > >> it
> > >> to grow..if it doesnt inspire u nor gives u a spirit ,that means the song
> > >> have failed for its purpose...for example the K'naan song for the world 
> > >> cup
> > >> 'Wavin flag'..that song doesnt need time at all...[but if u listen to 
> > >> other
> > >> K'naan's songs u wont wave ur flag]  
> > >> > >
> > >> > > i seriously dont think shakira's waka waka is anywhere near to this
> > >> song...
> > >> > >
> > >> > > but the english rap part in the song is soo flat..but the ending with
> > >> bangra style was awesome
> > >> > >
> > >> > > listen to it without thinking it was made for CW..then u will feel it
> > >> > >
> > >> > > i pity or boss for the critisizm he is facing now
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > shai,
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > * smileys  just for fun
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > .
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > www.gomzyphotography.com
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Warm regards,
> > 
> > Pramod.
> >
>

Re: [arr]problems with the CWG song - did ARR feel truly inspired?

[AJ]

Thanks, Pramod.  And thanks for not getting offended!  

I like your "in sync" thoughts.  

--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Pramod  wrote:
>
> @ purevibz
> 
> You have a very valid point there The Head vs Heart issue might be quite
> true..
> 
> @  shai > > listen to it without thinking it was made for CW..then u will
> feel it
> That is exactly the issue !!!
> 
> Most critics acknowledge that the song is exceptional. but they say it
> isn't in perfect sync with the CWG...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Gomzy™  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > i completely disagree. Since i like this like any good ARR song, i believe
> > either you were expecting something else or are trying too hard.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 AM, AJ  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I really think ARR worked hard on this song, but perhaps worked too hard,
> >> if you know what I mean? His best songs are created when they are from his
> >> heart more than from his head. Was he really inspired to do a theme song
> >> about sports, since I know that ARR was never a passionate sports fan and
> >> didn't follow teams much as a youngster?
> >>
> >> Maa Tujhe Salam and the entire Vande Mataram album was ARR's baby because
> >> it was about India as a country..about the 50th anniversary and the whole
> >> significance of that. ARR, as a very patriotic citizen, felt very inspired
> >> to create a whole album in honor of that.
> >>
> >> In this case, he was "asked" to compose this song. Yes, it's a patriotic
> >> song too, but not in the same emotional league as Vande Mataram from ARR's
> >> perspective.
> >>
> >> It's not fair to compare Maa Tujhe Salam with this song for these reasons
> >> alone IMO.
> >>
> >> I may be wrong about the above..just speculating here.
> >>
> >> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> >> "Raghu"  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > i do not think price tag is any issue here..
> >> > 5.5 is not a thing compared to overall some 10,000k +
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> >> shai  wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > guys,
> >> > >
> >> > > honestly i love the song but ...i think the main problem and the
> >> critcizm that is going on is becoz of the '5.5 cr' price tag ...this alone
> >> have increased the expectations to other universe it selfbut i really
> >> think that 'maa tujhe salam; is worth more than 10 crore...clearly those 
> >> who
> >> disappointed with the song is expecting another maa tujhe salam which i
> >> think is ridiculous...if u really want maa tujhe salam like a song then
> >> better play the song itself for the CW why create another
> >> one...?inspirational song will inspire u straight away,no need time for it
> >> to grow..if it doesnt inspire u nor gives u a spirit ,that means the song
> >> have failed for its purpose...for example the K'naan song for the world cup
> >> 'Wavin flag'..that song doesnt need time at all...[but if u listen to other
> >> K'naan's songs u wont wave ur flag]  
> >> > >
> >> > > i seriously dont think shakira's waka waka is anywhere near to this
> >> song...
> >> > >
> >> > > but the english rap part in the song is soo flat..but the ending with
> >> bangra style was awesome
> >> > >
> >> > > listen to it without thinking it was made for CW..then u will feel it
> >> > >
> >> > > i pity or boss for the critisizm he is facing now
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > shai,
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > * smileys  just for fun
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > .
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > www.gomzyphotography.com
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Pramod.
>

Re: [arr]problems with the CWG song - did ARR feel truly inspired?

[AJ]

No need to take, offense buddy.  I have found many of your posts in the past to 
be offensive too as you often take things to a personal level with other 
members including me.

I was just speculating, not analyzing.  You should know the difference.  This 
is a place to post thoughts freely, right?  Inspiration is a human state of 
mind and in degrees.  AR is human and he will be inspired in degrees, no matter 
which project he works on. That's all.

Nothing is "happening" to my analytical abilities, Rawat. 
 
--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat  wrote:
>
> I wonder what is happening to your analytical capabilities, AJ.
> 
> You propose a theory that "ARR worked hard" and "perhaps worked too
> hard", and then you base your remaining analysis on this, without 
> knowing if it is correct on not.
> 
> If you don't like it, it doesn't mean that ARR worked "hard" or "too 
> hard" or "hardly".
> 
> All those critics of enthiran can also say the same, that ARR worked 
> too hard on enthiran, without knowing whether he had or not.
> 
> I wonder how could you not see that vandemataram is our national song, 
> and people have a chord attached to it, so we were already willing to 
> someone giving us our national song in the cacophony of other MDs who 
> never bothered about "nation". That helped in people liking it. 
> Vandemataram was in two albums, including janganman, and there were 
> several versions of it in them, so it was not just one composition by 
> ARR. someone might have liked one, other one might have disliked the 
> version the first one liked but might have liked the other one and so 
> on, and thus album had one likeable version for each of all.
> 
> Tamil theme song, gujarat theme song, 20-20 theme song, it is not the 
> first theme song that ARR had done, so why whould he not grasp all 
> those patriotic and other elements in this particular theme song when 
> he got them all always in other theme songs in right proportions?
> 
> You are working on theories that might not be your forte and you "are" 
> be aware of facts. You should analyze the song musically as you have 
> musical knowledge and past proven capability to do that.
> 
> I personally find "did ARR feel truly inspired?" is very offensive and 
> accusing.
> 
> --
> Rawat
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 AM, AJ  > > wrote:
> >
> > I really think ARR worked hard on this song, but perhaps worked too
> > hard, if you know what I mean? His best songs are created when they
> > are from his heart more than from his head. Was he really inspired
> > to do a theme song about sports, since I know that ARR was never a
> > passionate sports fan and didn't follow teams much as a youngster?
> >
> > Maa Tujhe Salam and the entire Vande Mataram album was ARR's baby
> > because it was about India as a country..about the 50th anniversary
> > and the whole significance of that. ARR, as a very patriotic
> > citizen, felt very inspired to create a whole album in honor of that.
> >
> > In this case, he was "asked" to compose this song. Yes, it's a
> > patriotic song too, but not in the same emotional league as Vande
> > Mataram from ARR's perspective.
> >
> > It's not fair to compare Maa Tujhe Salam with this song for these
> > reasons alone IMO.
> >
> > I may be wrong about the above..just speculating here.
>

Re: [arr]problems with the CWG song - did ARR feel truly inspired?

[vedavid manick]

I am form the cairbbean, just observing the debate. I think all the statements 
bbeing made are not inspired by the music at all but the politics. 

The song has become a political issue. It is a brilliant song. People were 
expecting it to some how solve the problems that india found itself into with 
the hosting of the commonwealth games. At the smae time opposition supporters 
are critisiing it for policial purposes.

People wanted something like waka waka. Waka waka has its identity, this song 
has its own. If it was comparable to waka waka, i am sure that people would 
have 
said that it was a waka waka rip off. At this stage, you cant please everyone.


At the same time, a 5.5 c pricetag for one song is alot, regardless of if the 
song is a hit or not. 





From: Pramod 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 12:31:43 PM
Subject: Re: [arr]problems with the CWG song - did ARR feel truly inspired?

  
@ purevibz

You have a very valid point there The Head vs Heart issue might be quite 
true..

@  shai > > listen to it without thinking it was made for CW..then u will feel 
it

That is exactly the issue !!! 

Most critics acknowledge that the song is exceptional. but they say it 
isn't 
in perfect sync with the CWG...



 
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Gomzy™  wrote:

  
>i completely disagree. Since i like this like any good ARR song, i believe 
>either you were expecting something else or are trying too hard. 
>
>
>
>On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 AM, AJ  wrote:
>
>  
>>I really think ARR worked hard on this song, but perhaps worked too hard, if 
>>you 
>>know what I mean? His best songs are created when they are from his heart 
>>more 
>>than from his head. Was he really inspired to do a theme song about sports, 
>>since I know that ARR was never a passionate sports fan and didn't follow 
>>teams 
>>much as a youngster?
>>
>>Maa Tujhe Salam and the entire Vande Mataram album was ARR's baby because it 
>>was 
>>about India as a country..about the 50th anniversary and the whole 
>>significance 
>>of that. ARR, as a very patriotic citizen, felt very inspired to create a 
>>whole 
>>album in honor of that.
>>
>>In this case, he was "asked" to compose this song. Yes, it's a patriotic song 
>>too, but not in the same emotional league as Vande Mataram from ARR's 
>>perspective.
>>
>>It's not fair to compare Maa Tujhe Salam with this song for these reasons 
>>alone 
>>IMO.
>>
>>I may be wrong about the above..just speculating here.
>>
>>--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Raghu"  wrote:
>>>
>>> i do not think price tag is any issue here..
>>> 5.5 is not a thing compared to overall some 10,000k +
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, shai  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > guys,
>>> >  
>>> > honestly i love the song but ...i think the main problem and the critcizm 
>>>that is going on is becoz of the '5.5 cr' price tag ...this alone have 
>>>increased 
>>>the expectations to other universe it selfbut i really think that 'maa 
>>>tujhe 
>>>salam; is worth more than 10 crore...clearly those who disappointed with the 
>>>song is expecting another maa tujhe salam which i think is ridiculous...if u 
>>>really want maa tujhe salam like a song then better play the song itself for 
>>>the 
>>>CW why create another one...?inspirational song will inspire u straight 
>>>away,no 
>>>need time for it to grow..if it doesnt inspire u nor gives u a spirit ,that 
>>>means the song have failed for its purpose...for example the K'naan song for 
>>>the 
>>>world cup 'Wavin flag'..that song doesnt need time at all...[but if u listen 
>>>to 
>>>other K'naan's songs u wont wave ur flag]  
>>> >  
>>> > i seriously dont think shakira's waka waka is anywhere near to this 
song...
>>> >  
>>> > but the english rap part in the song is soo flat..but the ending with 
>>> > bangra 
>>>style was awesome
>>> >  
>>> > listen to it without thinking it was made for CW..then u will feel it
>>> >  
>>> > i pity or boss for the critisizm he is facing now
>>> >  
>>> >  
>>> >  
>>> > shai,
>>> >  
>>> >  
>>> >  
>>> >  
>>> >  
>>> > * smileys  just for fun
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > .
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>-- 
>www.gomzyphotography.com
>


-- 
Warm regards,

Pramod.




  

Re: [arr]problems with the CWG song - did ARR feel truly inspired?

[AJ]

Trying too hard at what, Gomzy?  And yeah, maybe I was expecting a different 
flavor.  Like I said, I'm warming up to it slowly.

--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Pramod  wrote:
>
> @ purevibz
> 
> You have a very valid point there The Head vs Heart issue might be quite
> true..
> 
> @  shai > > listen to it without thinking it was made for CW..then u will
> feel it
> That is exactly the issue !!!
> 
> Most critics acknowledge that the song is exceptional. but they say it
> isn't in perfect sync with the CWG...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Gomzy™  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > i completely disagree. Since i like this like any good ARR song, i believe
> > either you were expecting something else or are trying too hard.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 AM, AJ  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I really think ARR worked hard on this song, but perhaps worked too hard,
> >> if you know what I mean? His best songs are created when they are from his
> >> heart more than from his head. Was he really inspired to do a theme song
> >> about sports, since I know that ARR was never a passionate sports fan and
> >> didn't follow teams much as a youngster?
> >>
> >> Maa Tujhe Salam and the entire Vande Mataram album was ARR's baby because
> >> it was about India as a country..about the 50th anniversary and the whole
> >> significance of that. ARR, as a very patriotic citizen, felt very inspired
> >> to create a whole album in honor of that.
> >>
> >> In this case, he was "asked" to compose this song. Yes, it's a patriotic
> >> song too, but not in the same emotional league as Vande Mataram from ARR's
> >> perspective.
> >>
> >> It's not fair to compare Maa Tujhe Salam with this song for these reasons
> >> alone IMO.
> >>
> >> I may be wrong about the above..just speculating here.
> >>
> >> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> >> "Raghu"  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > i do not think price tag is any issue here..
> >> > 5.5 is not a thing compared to overall some 10,000k +
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> >> shai  wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > guys,
> >> > >
> >> > > honestly i love the song but ...i think the main problem and the
> >> critcizm that is going on is becoz of the '5.5 cr' price tag ...this alone
> >> have increased the expectations to other universe it selfbut i really
> >> think that 'maa tujhe salam; is worth more than 10 crore...clearly those 
> >> who
> >> disappointed with the song is expecting another maa tujhe salam which i
> >> think is ridiculous...if u really want maa tujhe salam like a song then
> >> better play the song itself for the CW why create another
> >> one...?inspirational song will inspire u straight away,no need time for it
> >> to grow..if it doesnt inspire u nor gives u a spirit ,that means the song
> >> have failed for its purpose...for example the K'naan song for the world cup
> >> 'Wavin flag'..that song doesnt need time at all...[but if u listen to other
> >> K'naan's songs u wont wave ur flag]  
> >> > >
> >> > > i seriously dont think shakira's waka waka is anywhere near to this
> >> song...
> >> > >
> >> > > but the english rap part in the song is soo flat..but the ending with
> >> bangra style was awesome
> >> > >
> >> > > listen to it without thinking it was made for CW..then u will feel it
> >> > >
> >> > > i pity or boss for the critisizm he is facing now
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > shai,
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > * smileys  just for fun
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > .
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > www.gomzyphotography.com
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Pramod.
>

Re: [arr]problems with the CWG song - did ARR feel truly inspired?

[Pramod]

@ purevibz

You have a very valid point there The Head vs Heart issue might be quite
true..

@  shai > > listen to it without thinking it was made for CW..then u will
feel it
That is exactly the issue !!!

Most critics acknowledge that the song is exceptional. but they say it
isn't in perfect sync with the CWG...




On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Gomzy™  wrote:

>
>
> i completely disagree. Since i like this like any good ARR song, i believe
> either you were expecting something else or are trying too hard.
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 AM, AJ  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I really think ARR worked hard on this song, but perhaps worked too hard,
>> if you know what I mean? His best songs are created when they are from his
>> heart more than from his head. Was he really inspired to do a theme song
>> about sports, since I know that ARR was never a passionate sports fan and
>> didn't follow teams much as a youngster?
>>
>> Maa Tujhe Salam and the entire Vande Mataram album was ARR's baby because
>> it was about India as a country..about the 50th anniversary and the whole
>> significance of that. ARR, as a very patriotic citizen, felt very inspired
>> to create a whole album in honor of that.
>>
>> In this case, he was "asked" to compose this song. Yes, it's a patriotic
>> song too, but not in the same emotional league as Vande Mataram from ARR's
>> perspective.
>>
>> It's not fair to compare Maa Tujhe Salam with this song for these reasons
>> alone IMO.
>>
>> I may be wrong about the above..just speculating here.
>>
>> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
>> "Raghu"  wrote:
>> >
>> > i do not think price tag is any issue here..
>> > 5.5 is not a thing compared to overall some 10,000k +
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
>> shai  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > guys,
>> > >
>> > > honestly i love the song but ...i think the main problem and the
>> critcizm that is going on is becoz of the '5.5 cr' price tag ...this alone
>> have increased the expectations to other universe it selfbut i really
>> think that 'maa tujhe salam; is worth more than 10 crore...clearly those who
>> disappointed with the song is expecting another maa tujhe salam which i
>> think is ridiculous...if u really want maa tujhe salam like a song then
>> better play the song itself for the CW why create another
>> one...?inspirational song will inspire u straight away,no need time for it
>> to grow..if it doesnt inspire u nor gives u a spirit ,that means the song
>> have failed for its purpose...for example the K'naan song for the world cup
>> 'Wavin flag'..that song doesnt need time at all...[but if u listen to other
>> K'naan's songs u wont wave ur flag]  
>> > >
>> > > i seriously dont think shakira's waka waka is anywhere near to this
>> song...
>> > >
>> > > but the english rap part in the song is soo flat..but the ending with
>> bangra style was awesome
>> > >
>> > > listen to it without thinking it was made for CW..then u will feel it
>> > >
>> > > i pity or boss for the critisizm he is facing now
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > shai,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > * smileys  just for fun
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > .
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> www.gomzyphotography.com
>
> 
>



-- 
Warm regards,

Pramod.

Re: [arr]problems with the CWG song - did ARR feel truly inspired?

[V S Rawat]

I wonder what is happening to your analytical capabilities, AJ.

You propose a theory that "ARR worked hard" and "perhaps worked too
hard", and then you base your remaining analysis on this, without 
knowing if it is correct on not.

If you don't like it, it doesn't mean that ARR worked "hard" or "too 
hard" or "hardly".

All those critics of enthiran can also say the same, that ARR worked 
too hard on enthiran, without knowing whether he had or not.

I wonder how could you not see that vandemataram is our national song, 
and people have a chord attached to it, so we were already willing to 
someone giving us our national song in the cacophony of other MDs who 
never bothered about "nation". That helped in people liking it. 
Vandemataram was in two albums, including janganman, and there were 
several versions of it in them, so it was not just one composition by 
ARR. someone might have liked one, other one might have disliked the 
version the first one liked but might have liked the other one and so 
on, and thus album had one likeable version for each of all.

Tamil theme song, gujarat theme song, 20-20 theme song, it is not the 
first theme song that ARR had done, so why whould he not grasp all 
those patriotic and other elements in this particular theme song when 
he got them all always in other theme songs in right proportions?

You are working on theories that might not be your forte and you "are" 
be aware of facts. You should analyze the song musically as you have 
musical knowledge and past proven capability to do that.

I personally find "did ARR feel truly inspired?" is very offensive and 
accusing.

--
Rawat

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 AM, AJ  > wrote:
>
> I really think ARR worked hard on this song, but perhaps worked too
> hard, if you know what I mean? His best songs are created when they
> are from his heart more than from his head. Was he really inspired
> to do a theme song about sports, since I know that ARR was never a
> passionate sports fan and didn't follow teams much as a youngster?
>
> Maa Tujhe Salam and the entire Vande Mataram album was ARR's baby
> because it was about India as a country..about the 50th anniversary
> and the whole significance of that. ARR, as a very patriotic
> citizen, felt very inspired to create a whole album in honor of that.
>
> In this case, he was "asked" to compose this song. Yes, it's a
> patriotic song too, but not in the same emotional league as Vande
> Mataram from ARR's perspective.
>
> It's not fair to compare Maa Tujhe Salam with this song for these
> reasons alone IMO.
>
> I may be wrong about the above..just speculating here.

Re: [arr]problems with the CWG song - did ARR feel truly inspired?

[Gomzy™]

i completely disagree. Since i like this like any good ARR song, i believe
either you were expecting something else or are trying too hard.

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 AM, AJ  wrote:

>
>
> I really think ARR worked hard on this song, but perhaps worked too hard,
> if you know what I mean? His best songs are created when they are from his
> heart more than from his head. Was he really inspired to do a theme song
> about sports, since I know that ARR was never a passionate sports fan and
> didn't follow teams much as a youngster?
>
> Maa Tujhe Salam and the entire Vande Mataram album was ARR's baby because
> it was about India as a country..about the 50th anniversary and the whole
> significance of that. ARR, as a very patriotic citizen, felt very inspired
> to create a whole album in honor of that.
>
> In this case, he was "asked" to compose this song. Yes, it's a patriotic
> song too, but not in the same emotional league as Vande Mataram from ARR's
> perspective.
>
> It's not fair to compare Maa Tujhe Salam with this song for these reasons
> alone IMO.
>
> I may be wrong about the above..just speculating here.
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Raghu"  wrote:
> >
> > i do not think price tag is any issue here..
> > 5.5 is not a thing compared to overall some 10,000k +
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> shai  wrote:
> > >
> > > guys,
> > >
> > > honestly i love the song but ...i think the main problem and the
> critcizm that is going on is becoz of the '5.5 cr' price tag ...this alone
> have increased the expectations to other universe it selfbut i really
> think that 'maa tujhe salam; is worth more than 10 crore...clearly those who
> disappointed with the song is expecting another maa tujhe salam which i
> think is ridiculous...if u really want maa tujhe salam like a song then
> better play the song itself for the CW why create another
> one...?inspirational song will inspire u straight away,no need time for it
> to grow..if it doesnt inspire u nor gives u a spirit ,that means the song
> have failed for its purpose...for example the K'naan song for the world cup
> 'Wavin flag'..that song doesnt need time at all...[but if u listen to other
> K'naan's songs u wont wave ur flag]  
> > >
> > > i seriously dont think shakira's waka waka is anywhere near to this
> song...
> > >
> > > but the english rap part in the song is soo flat..but the ending with
> bangra style was awesome
> > >
> > > listen to it without thinking it was made for CW..then u will feel it
> > >
> > > i pity or boss for the critisizm he is facing now
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > shai,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > * smileys  just for fun
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> >
>
>  
>



-- 
www.gomzyphotography.com

Re: [arr]problems with the CWG song - did ARR feel truly inspired?

[jarjar]

In general the theme is about working hard, never giving it up, victory and so 
on... These theme are so universal and is applicable for sports and all other 
aspects of life.

ARR gives his 100\% for everything. And given the fact that CWG is an important 
milestone for the country, ARR sir does not need any other motivation.

Please AJ, it is better we do not question the intention, motivation etc. and 
start enjoying or talking about the songs.

It is better to always discuss the merits and demerits of the songs.

Jai Ho,
Jayram

--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "AJ"  wrote:
>
> I really think ARR worked hard on this song, but perhaps worked too hard, if 
> you know what I mean?  His best songs are created when they are from his 
> heart more than from his head.  Was he really inspired to do a theme song 
> about sports, since I know that ARR was never a passionate sports fan and 
> didn't follow teams much as a youngster?
> 
> Maa Tujhe Salam and the entire Vande Mataram album was ARR's baby because it 
> was about India as a country..about the 50th anniversary and the whole 
> significance of that.  ARR, as a very patriotic citizen, felt very inspired 
> to create a whole album in honor of that.
> 
> In this case, he was "asked" to compose this song.  Yes, it's a patriotic 
> song too, but not in the same emotional league as Vande Mataram from ARR's 
> perspective.
> 
> It's not fair to compare Maa Tujhe Salam with this song for these reasons 
> alone IMO.
> 
> I may be wrong about the above..just speculating here.
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Raghu"  wrote:
> >
> > i do not think price tag is any issue here..
> > 5.5 is not a thing compared to overall some 10,000k +
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, shai  wrote:
> > >
> > > guys,
> > >  
> > > honestly i love the song but ...i think the main problem and the critcizm 
> > > that is going on is becoz of the '5.5 cr' price tag ...this alone have 
> > > increased the expectations to other universe it selfbut i really 
> > > think that 'maa tujhe salam; is worth more than 10 crore...clearly those 
> > > who disappointed with the song is expecting another maa tujhe salam which 
> > > i think is ridiculous...if u really want maa tujhe salam like a song then 
> > > better play the song itself for the CW why create another 
> > > one...?inspirational song will inspire u straight away,no need time for 
> > > it to grow..if it doesnt inspire u nor gives u a spirit ,that means the 
> > > song have failed for its purpose...for example the K'naan song for the 
> > > world cup 'Wavin flag'..that song doesnt need time at all...[but if u 
> > > listen to other K'naan's songs u wont wave ur flag]  
> > >  
> > > i seriously dont think shakira's waka waka is anywhere near to this 
> > > song...
> > >  
> > > but the english rap part in the song is soo flat..but the ending with 
> > > bangra style was awesome
> > >  
> > > listen to it without thinking it was made for CW..then u will feel it
> > >  
> > > i pity or boss for the critisizm he is facing now
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > > shai,
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > > * smileys  just for fun
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > .
> > >
> >
>

Re: [arr]problems with the CWG song - did ARR feel truly inspired?

[Gopal Anandan]

I'll completely buy this argument! I recall in one his interviews given for a 
Malayalam channel around 6-8 years back he'd said - "if the song situation 
requires that you have to cry, then the song itself should make you cry, if it 
is a funny-humorous situation then the song should make you laugh..." Guess 
those were the times when ARR and his team did 100% justice to each and every 
song in an album and at the worst perhaps 1 out of 5 songs would get a 3/5 
rating, the rest would be 4 and above. However, lately dare I'd say 50% of the 
songs in a album are just making it to a 3 rating. I said this in an earlier 
post - my guess is that he's in a complete experimentation modesomething 
big will eventually come out of this experiment... I'd just give it some more 
time. After-all he too is a human being with so much strength, intelligence and 
capacityI'm not comparing here, but could/can Beethoven or Yanni or MJ or 
Hans pull off a south Indian folk
 song? No right? Maybe considering each one's musical brilliance, they 
could..but perhaps only after multiple attempts. And ARR is not going to be any 
different when it comes to newer genres 

ciao / Gopal

PS: This too is the best part of this group, able to critique logically (almost 
every time :) )
--- On Tue, 31/8/10, AJ  wrote:

From: AJ 
Subject: Re: [arr]problems with the CWG song - did ARR feel truly inspired?
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 31 August, 2010, 7:15 AM







 



  



  
  
  I really think ARR worked hard on this song, but perhaps worked too hard, 
if you know what I mean?  His best songs are created when they are from his 
heart more than from his head.  Was he really inspired to do a theme song about 
sports, since I know that ARR was never a passionate sports fan and didn't 
follow teams much as a youngster?



Maa Tujhe Salam and the entire Vande Mataram album was ARR's baby because it 
was about India as a country..about the 50th anniversary and the whole 
significance of that.  ARR, as a very patriotic citizen, felt very inspired to 
create a whole album in honor of that.



In this case, he was "asked" to compose this song.  Yes, it's a patriotic song 
too, but not in the same emotional league as Vande Mataram from ARR's 
perspective.



It's not fair to compare Maa Tujhe Salam with this song for these reasons alone 
IMO.



I may be wrong about the above..just speculating here.



--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Raghu"  wrote:

>

> i do not think price tag is any issue here..

> 5.5 is not a thing compared to overall some 10,000k +

> 

> 

> 

> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, shai  wrote:

> >

> > guys,

> >  

> > honestly i love the song but ...i think the main problem and the critcizm 
> > that is going on is becoz of the '5.5 cr' price tag ...this alone have 
> > increased the expectations to other universe it selfbut i really think 
> > that 'maa tujhe salam; is worth more than 10 crore...clearly those who 
> > disappointed with the song is expecting another maa tujhe salam which i 
> > think is ridiculous...if u really want maa tujhe salam like a song then 
> > better play the song itself for the CW why create another 
> > one...?inspirational song will inspire u straight away,no need time for it 
> > to grow..if it doesnt inspire u nor gives u a spirit ,that means the song 
> > have failed for its purpose...for example the K'naan song for the world cup 
> > 'Wavin flag'..that song doesnt need time at all...[but if u listen to other 
> > K'naan's songs u wont wave ur flag]  

> >  

> > i seriously dont think shakira's waka waka is anywhere near to this song...

> >  

> > but the english rap part in the song is soo flat..but the ending with 
> > bangra style was awesome

> >  

> > listen to it without thinking it was made for CW..then u will feel it

> >  

> > i pity or boss for the critisizm he is facing now

> >  

> >  

> >  

> > shai,

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> > * smileys  just for fun

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > .

> >

>






 





 



  

Re: [arr]problems with the CWG song - did ARR feel truly inspired?

[AJ]

I really think ARR worked hard on this song, but perhaps worked too hard, if 
you know what I mean?  His best songs are created when they are from his heart 
more than from his head.  Was he really inspired to do a theme song about 
sports, since I know that ARR was never a passionate sports fan and didn't 
follow teams much as a youngster?

Maa Tujhe Salam and the entire Vande Mataram album was ARR's baby because it 
was about India as a country..about the 50th anniversary and the whole 
significance of that.  ARR, as a very patriotic citizen, felt very inspired to 
create a whole album in honor of that.

In this case, he was "asked" to compose this song.  Yes, it's a patriotic song 
too, but not in the same emotional league as Vande Mataram from ARR's 
perspective.

It's not fair to compare Maa Tujhe Salam with this song for these reasons alone 
IMO.

I may be wrong about the above..just speculating here.

--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Raghu"  wrote:
>
> i do not think price tag is any issue here..
> 5.5 is not a thing compared to overall some 10,000k +
> 
> 
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, shai  wrote:
> >
> > guys,
> >  
> > honestly i love the song but ...i think the main problem and the critcizm 
> > that is going on is becoz of the '5.5 cr' price tag ...this alone have 
> > increased the expectations to other universe it selfbut i really think 
> > that 'maa tujhe salam; is worth more than 10 crore...clearly those who 
> > disappointed with the song is expecting another maa tujhe salam which i 
> > think is ridiculous...if u really want maa tujhe salam like a song then 
> > better play the song itself for the CW why create another 
> > one...?inspirational song will inspire u straight away,no need time for it 
> > to grow..if it doesnt inspire u nor gives u a spirit ,that means the song 
> > have failed for its purpose...for example the K'naan song for the world cup 
> > 'Wavin flag'..that song doesnt need time at all...[but if u listen to other 
> > K'naan's songs u wont wave ur flag]  
> >  
> > i seriously dont think shakira's waka waka is anywhere near to this song...
> >  
> > but the english rap part in the song is soo flat..but the ending with 
> > bangra style was awesome
> >  
> > listen to it without thinking it was made for CW..then u will feel it
> >  
> > i pity or boss for the critisizm he is facing now
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > shai,
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > * smileys  just for fun
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > .
> >
>

Re: [arr]problems with the CWG song

[Raghu]

i do not think price tag is any issue here..
5.5 is not a thing compared to overall some 10,000k +



--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, shai  wrote:
>
> guys,
>  
> honestly i love the song but ...i think the main problem and the critcizm 
> that is going on is becoz of the '5.5 cr' price tag ...this alone have 
> increased the expectations to other universe it selfbut i really think 
> that 'maa tujhe salam; is worth more than 10 crore...clearly those who 
> disappointed with the song is expecting another maa tujhe salam which i think 
> is ridiculous...if u really want maa tujhe salam like a song then better play 
> the song itself for the CW why create another one...?inspirational song will 
> inspire u straight away,no need time for it to grow..if it doesnt inspire u 
> nor gives u a spirit ,that means the song have failed for its purpose...for 
> example the K'naan song for the world cup 'Wavin flag'..that song doesnt need 
> time at all...[but if u listen to other K'naan's songs u wont wave ur flag]  
> 
>  
> i seriously dont think shakira's waka waka is anywhere near to this song...
>  
> but the english rap part in the song is soo flat..but the ending with bangra 
> style was awesome
>  
> listen to it without thinking it was made for CW..then u will feel it
>  
> i pity or boss for the critisizm he is facing now
>  
>  
>  
> shai,
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> * smileys  just for fun
> 
> 
> 
> 
> .
>

[arr]problems with the CWG song

[shai]

guys,
 
honestly i love the song but ...i think the main problem and the critcizm that 
is going on is becoz of the '5.5 cr' price tag ...this alone have increased the 
expectations to other universe it selfbut i really think that 'maa tujhe 
salam; is worth more than 10 crore...clearly those who disappointed with the 
song is expecting another maa tujhe salam which i think is ridiculous...if u 
really want maa tujhe salam like a song then better play the song itself for 
the CW why create another one...?inspirational song will inspire u straight 
away,no need time for it to grow..if it doesnt inspire u nor gives u a spirit 
,that means the song have failed for its purpose...for example the K'naan song 
for the world cup 'Wavin flag'..that song doesnt need time at all...[but if u 
listen to other K'naan's songs u wont wave ur flag]  
 
i seriously dont think shakira's waka waka is anywhere near to this song...
 
but the english rap part in the song is soo flat..but the ending with bangra 
style was awesome
 
listen to it without thinking it was made for CW..then u will feel it
 
i pity or boss for the critisizm he is facing now
 
 
 
shai,
 
 
 
 
 
* smileys  just for fun




.