Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
drmatt wrote: > Believe me, I've been an escalation point for an outsourced technical > organisation... Ouch! You have my sympathies. And point taken... "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106583 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
Julf wrote: > I think it is a great idea, but I doubt it will help. The reason some of > us old farts have been exposed to that same "innocent ignorance" for a > very long time. If you try the soft approach for 10 years, and see it > doesn't work, you realize that you will never change the mind of the > true believers, all you can do is show those who are undecided that not > everybody agrees with the accepted dogma of the believers. I don't think it's a case of trying to change the minds of the "true believers", it's more a case of bashing moles; there's new moles to be bashed. Such is life. You can't provide one great lesson one day in 1992 and expect everyone, everywhere to have learned from it. Believe me, I've been an escalation point for an outsourced technical organisation.. There's new moles to be bashed on a regular basis. It gets annoying, but ranting doesn't help. And the in-jokes and sarcastic comments don't even help to educate those who are idle observers, they just show that people can be a bit unpleasant. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106583 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
drmatt wrote: > Make it part of the FAQ. A sticky thread at the top of the forum. > Whatever. I think it is a great idea, but I doubt it will help. The reason some of us old farts have been exposed to that same "innocent ignorance" for a very long time. If you try the soft approach for 10 years, and see it doesn't work, you realize that you will never change the mind of the true believers, all you can do is show those who are undecided that not everybody agrees with the accepted dogma of the believers. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106583 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
I don't see any of that, I see ignorance (in the innocent, non derogatory sense), followed by snidey in jokes and comments implying the OP is thick, which causes automatic defensive mode, which causes the perception that people don't want to listenand escalation to flame war. If the first comment was something like "hi, welcome to the forum. Please note that a lot of people are of the opinion that the difference you perceive are mostly the result of completely normal human perceptual biases, and there is a lot of scientific research that backs this up. There are a number of places you can look for more information about this, such as: blah blah blah." .. then we would not be having these problems. But no, that's not what happens, and so; flame war. Make it part of the FAQ. A sticky thread at the top of the forum. Whatever. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106583 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
drmatt wrote: > So there you go, misunderstandings everywhere... ;) > > Calm down and educate instead of berating. I really shouldn't come down here. I always get wound up by at least one thread featuring either Arrogant Stupidity or Stupid Arrogancy - one of the two. End. *Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106583 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
So there you go, misunderstandings everywhere... ;) Calm down and educate instead of berating. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106583 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
drmatt wrote: > The point that was missed here was simple: *why* were we talking about > how an SBT performs with LMS stopped while it drains its buffer. That is > nothing to do with ignorance, wilful or otherwise, that is > straightforward misreading. I didn't misread it. You (collectively) were responding to a hypothesis that jitter could be introduced at (digital) source. A BeagleBone vs an i7 was mentioned as evidence. The majority suggested that the transport methodology (TCP/IP) was incapable of doing so and simply delivered the requisite number of 1s and 0s into the buffer of the SB player - about 30 seconds worth. *Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106583 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
Julf wrote: > What deeper meaning is there in misinformation based on ignorance? The point that was missed here was simple: *why* were we talking about how an SBT performs with LMS stopped while it drains its buffer. That is nothing to do with ignorance, wilful or otherwise, that is straightforward misreading. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106583 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
drmatt wrote: > misunderstanding the deeper meaning that is not fully communicated on > the page. What deeper meaning is there in misinformation based on ignorance? "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106583 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
Mnyb wrote: > Note that I sugested "pull the plug and listen to the player buffer" as > a way to actually understand how little the server does vs SQ . Not as > a serius sugestion . I knew that, because I wasn't angry when I read your post. But angry people don't read what was written, or at the very least are responding to what their preconceived ideas tell them you meant when you wrote what you wrote. People tend to get angry in internet threads because they think people aren't listening to them, when in fact people are doing to them what they are doing to others - misunderstanding the deeper meaning that is not fully communicated on the page. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106583 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
drmatt wrote: > So in other words you are venting your spleen. Good for you. Welcome to > the playground. :) +1 Note that I sugested "pull the plug and listen to the player buffer" as a way to actually understand how little the server does vs SQ . Not as a serius sugestion . ( hint it sounds the same and if you are fast to reconect the player it refills its buffer and you never notice .) Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106583 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
My question is aimed at those down here in the cellar that have the ability to interpret 1s and 0s differently to everyone else because they can apparently hear what can't possibly be there better than the rest of us. I will accept that my DAC and everything after that in the chain can influence the sound I hear but not that my 1s and 0s can be affected by factors such as whether someone else in the household is streaming something from the internet at the same time or that what I listen to comes from the players buffer when LMS is off. It is still 1s and 0s. I get annoyed by the total stupidity of some people every time I venture down here. Not all (not you Apesbrain). Just some, but those some seem to be the most vocal. Michael - please blank out the elevator button for the cellar! Please. *Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106583 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
d6jg wrote: > You are taking my question literally - and I thank you for the answer - > but the question is not intended literally. OK, you got me! Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106583 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
Apesbrain wrote: > Not sure if I'm addressing your question but I've noticed when I > attenuate the space between tracks on a digitized LP it sounds too > "black". I usually just do a brief fade in the half-second before the > next track. You are taking my question literally - and I thank you for the answer - but the question is not intended literally. *Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106583 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
Not sure if I'm addressing your question but I've noticed when I attenuate the space between tracks on a digitized LP it sounds too "black". I usually just do a brief fade in the half-second before the next track. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106583 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
PS My mild form of tinnitus definitely sounds better in digital - at least it does to my slightly tarnished yellow ochre ears! *Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106583 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analogue or Digital?
If I digitised - note that is a UK digitisation not the sort practiced in the USA or other places where they only think they can speak or write English - a vinyl record to FLAC do you think that if left unprocessed by fancy dancy software would a period of silence "recorded" in this way sound better than a purely digital period of silence? I ask because the artists intention so far as reproduction is concerned doesn't seem relevant in this case somehow so it's down to you guys who understand this sort of stuff to rule on the subject. Obviously had the whole process occurred in the USA as a digitization then I would expect different results! *Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106583 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
