Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores -Genealogy Silvia from Madeira Island

[eric edgar]

   -
   - *
   *
   - *
   *
   - *Ano:*
   -
   - *Data:* 1891
   - *Paróquia / Conservatória:* Arco da Calheta
   - *MARIDO:* João da Silva do Pomar Júnior
   - *Pai:*
   - *Mãe:*
   - *MULHER:* Dionísia de Jesus
   - *Pai:*
   - *Mãe:*
   - *Livro:* 4285
   - *Folha:* 5 v.º





   - *Ano:*
   - *Data:* 1864
   - *Paróquia / Conservatória:* Arco da Calheta
   - *MARIDO:* António José da Silva Júnior
   - *Pai:*
   - *Mãe:*
   - *MULHER:* Dionísia de Jesus
   - *Pai:*
   - *Mãe:*
   - *Livro:* 4258
   - *Folha:* 9 v.º



On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:31 PM, eric edgar  wrote:

> Will,
>
> Here's the  baptism record for Agostinho giving the father's name
>
>- *Data:* 02-11-1902
>- *Paróquia / Conservatória:* Arco da Calheta
>- *FILHO:* Agostinho
>- *Pai:* João da Silva
>- *Mãe:* Dionísia de Jesus
>- *Livro:* 7450
>- *Folha:* 57 v.º
>
>
>
> http://www.arquivo-madeira.org/item1.php?lang=1&id_channel=40&id_page=285
>
> This is the Madeira Archives site. Happy Hunting
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:26 PM, eric edgar  wrote:
>
>> Here you go Will. This is their passport leaving Madeira
>>
>> They are from Arco de Calheta, Madeira
>>
>> Petitioner Dionísia de JesusSpouse Companion Kinship Parish/Country Arco
>> da Calheta-RAMDestination Nova Iorque-USAYear 1912Month MarBox 165Process
>> Nº 141Passport Nº 366Date of Baptism (Petitioner) Age (Petitioner) 39Father
>> (Petitioner) António José da Silva JúniorMother (Petitioner) Father
>> (Spouse) Mother (Spouse) Name of the Children Manuel (12 anos),
>> Agostinho (9 anos), Domingos (6 anos) e Alfredo (3 anos) CommentsEstado
>> civil: viúva.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Will Clinton <
>> w...@americanfamilyfundinggroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I am new to the group and I am working on my wife's side of our family
>>> tree.  The ancestor I am working on currently is Dionesia (Rose) Jesus
>>> Silvia--born 1872 in Cape Verde-Madeira (Azores) Portugal.  Arrived in
>>> Boston March 29, 1910.  She had 4 boys Manuel, Agostinho (August) my wife's
>>> grandfather, Domingo, and Afred.  She died December 12, 1949 (I
>>> think--haven't verified yet).  If this is correct then her parents were
>>> Antono Dutra and Anna Clara and came from city of Funchal on Madeira
>>> Island.  I am not sure of her husband but he died before she came to
>>> America.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> WILL CLINTON
>>>
>>> Partner, American Family Funding Group--NMLS #870538
>>>
>>> DRE#00842858--NMLS #339741
>>>
>>> Specializing in FHA, VA,MCC, CA PERS, REVERSE MORTGAGES
>>>
>>> COMMERCIAL, AND OF COURSE FANNIE AND FREDDIE PRODUCTS
>>>
>>> 1190 SO BASCOM AVE #215
>>>
>>> SAN JOSE, CA 95128
>>>
>>> 408-297-6800 x 1702
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores -Genealogy Silvia from Madeira Island

[eric edgar]

Will,

Here's the  baptism record for Agostinho giving the father's name

   - *Data:* 02-11-1902
   - *Paróquia / Conservatória:* Arco da Calheta
   - *FILHO:* Agostinho
   - *Pai:* João da Silva
   - *Mãe:* Dionísia de Jesus
   - *Livro:* 7450
   - *Folha:* 57 v.º



http://www.arquivo-madeira.org/item1.php?lang=1&id_channel=40&id_page=285

This is the Madeira Archives site. Happy Hunting

Eric Edgar




On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:26 PM, eric edgar  wrote:

> Here you go Will. This is their passport leaving Madeira
>
> They are from Arco de Calheta, Madeira
>
> Petitioner Dionísia de JesusSpouse Companion Kinship Parish/Country Arco
> da Calheta-RAMDestination Nova Iorque-USAYear 1912Month MarBox 165Process
> Nº 141Passport Nº 366Date of Baptism (Petitioner) Age (Petitioner) 39Father
> (Petitioner) António José da Silva JúniorMother (Petitioner) Father
> (Spouse) Mother (Spouse) Name of the Children Manuel (12 anos), Agostinho
> (9 anos), Domingos (6 anos) e Alfredo (3 anos) CommentsEstado civil:
> viúva.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Will Clinton <
> w...@americanfamilyfundinggroup.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I am new to the group and I am working on my wife's side of our family
>> tree.  The ancestor I am working on currently is Dionesia (Rose) Jesus
>> Silvia--born 1872 in Cape Verde-Madeira (Azores) Portugal.  Arrived in
>> Boston March 29, 1910.  She had 4 boys Manuel, Agostinho (August) my wife's
>> grandfather, Domingo, and Afred.  She died December 12, 1949 (I
>> think--haven't verified yet).  If this is correct then her parents were
>> Antono Dutra and Anna Clara and came from city of Funchal on Madeira
>> Island.  I am not sure of her husband but he died before she came to
>> America.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> WILL CLINTON
>>
>> Partner, American Family Funding Group--NMLS #870538
>>
>> DRE#00842858--NMLS #339741
>>
>> Specializing in FHA, VA,MCC, CA PERS, REVERSE MORTGAGES
>>
>> COMMERCIAL, AND OF COURSE FANNIE AND FREDDIE PRODUCTS
>>
>> 1190 SO BASCOM AVE #215
>>
>> SAN JOSE, CA 95128
>>
>> 408-297-6800 x 1702
>>
>> 408-273-6013 EFAX
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: MEDEIROS from unknown Island

[Cheri Mello]

David P,

I think I read somewhere that the first settlement on Sao Miguel was
Povoacao (means population).  And I think it was in the 1400s, but I'm not
entirely sure I'm remembering that right.  Someone with more history
knowledge will chime in, I'm sure.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores -Genealogy Silvia from Madeira Island

[eric edgar]

Here you go Will. This is their passport leaving Madeira

They are from Arco de Calheta, Madeira

PetitionerDionísia de JesusSpouseCompanionKinshipParish/CountryArco da
Calheta-RAMDestinationNova Iorque-USAYear1912MonthMarBox165Process
Nº141Passport
Nº366Date of Baptism (Petitioner)Age (Petitioner)39Father (Petitioner)António
José da Silva JúniorMother (Petitioner)Father (Spouse)Mother (Spouse)Name
of the ChildrenManuel (12 anos), Agostinho (9 anos), Domingos (6 anos) e
Alfredo (3 anos)CommentsEstado civil: viúva.












On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Will Clinton <
w...@americanfamilyfundinggroup.com> wrote:

> Hi, 
>
> ** **
>
> I am new to the group and I am working on my wife's side of our family
> tree.  The ancestor I am working on currently is Dionesia (Rose) Jesus
> Silvia--born 1872 in Cape Verde-Madeira (Azores) Portugal.  Arrived in
> Boston March 29, 1910.  She had 4 boys Manuel, Agostinho (August) my wife's
> grandfather, Domingo, and Afred.  She died December 12, 1949 (I
> think--haven't verified yet).  If this is correct then her parents were
> Antono Dutra and Anna Clara and came from city of Funchal on Madeira
> Island.  I am not sure of her husband but he died before she came to
> America.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> ** **
>
> WILL CLINTON
>
> Partner, American Family Funding Group--NMLS #870538
>
> DRE#00842858--NMLS #339741
>
> Specializing in FHA, VA,MCC, CA PERS, REVERSE MORTGAGES
>
> COMMERCIAL, AND OF COURSE FANNIE AND FREDDIE PRODUCTS
>
> 1190 SO BASCOM AVE #215
>
> SAN JOSE, CA 95128
>
> 408-297-6800 x 1702
>
> 408-273-6013 EFAX
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores -Genealogy Silvia from Madeira Island

[Hermano C. Pires]

Hello Will.You say that your wife's ancertor Dionesia (Rose) de Jesus Sivia was 
born in 1872 in Cape Verde, Madeira, Azores, Portugal.As a way of trying to 
help you Cape Verde, Madeira and Azores are three distinct groups of islands 
many miles apart but all in the Atlantic Ocean.I would guess that she most 
probably was born in the Cape Verde archipelago which is a group of ten 
islands, I think named: Santo Antão, São 
Vicente, Santa Luzia, São 
Nicolau, Sal, Boa 
Vista; Maio, Santiago, Fogo, Brava.If she was from Funchal, Madeira, the 
Madeira archipelago is composed manly of two islands: Madeira, Porto Santo and 
a number of small islands, some of them unhabitable.The Azores are a group of 
nine islands located northwest of the last two, in the middle of the 
Atlantic.Hope that is of help.Hermano
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores -Genealogy Silvia from Madeira Island
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:02:44 -0700

Hi,  I am new to the group and I am working on my wife's side of our family 
tree.  The ancestor I am working on currently is Dionesia (Rose) Jesus 
Silvia--born 1872 in Cape Verde-Madeira (Azores) Portugal.  Arrived in Boston 
March 29, 1910.  She had 4 boys Manuel, Agostinho (August) my wife's 
grandfather, Domingo, and Afred.  She died December 12, 1949 (I think--haven't 
verified yet).  If this is correct then her parents were Antono Dutra and Anna 
Clara and came from city of Funchal on Madeira Island.  I am not sure of her 
husband but he died before she came to America.  Any help would be greatly 
appreciated. WILL CLINTONPartner, American Family Funding Group--NMLS 
#870538DRE#00842858--NMLS #339741Specializing in FHA, VA,MCC, CA PERS, REVERSE 
MORTGAGESCOMMERCIAL, AND OF COURSE FANNIE AND FREDDIE PRODUCTS1190 SO BASCOM 
AVE #215SAN JOSE, CA 95128408-297-6800 x 1702408-273-6013 EFAX 



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: MEDEIROS from unknown Island

[David Perry]

My grandfather is a Medeiros from Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel.  There are 
many Medeiros folks there and I can't recall the source but I read many 
years ago that the original Medeiros immigrants to the Azores first settled 
at the eastern end of Sao Miguel.  
Good luck,
David Perry 
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 2:13:08 PM UTC-7, Betty wrote:

> Hi Doug, 
>
> For several years, as I have time, I try to help my husband's cousin with 
> his MEDEIROS / MIRANDA family-tree.(actually his father's cousin)   
>  He 
> is more interested in finding descendants of  ..  Philip and Mary 
> (MIRANDA) 
> MEDEIROS, who reportedly had 8 children. 
>
> The 1900 US census for Cambridge, MA, has Mrs. Medeiros as a widow, and 
> having 6 children with her.   The family migrated here in 1889, and the 
> last 
> 3 children were born here.It seems Mr. Medeiros died between 
> 1895-1900, 
> as he fathered a child in 1895. In 1910, only the 2 youngest, as 
> teens, 
> were with her, and I can't locate the older children. 
>
> One side note is that I looked on census pages early this morning, and 
> there 
> were  4 other MEDEIROS families, almost in the same neighborhood, and 
> arriving around the same time, including:   Joseph, b1869, Frank, b1857, 
> Victor, b1862.Mrs. Mary (MIRANDA) MEDEIROS was b1859.The problem 
> is 
> that most of them just say born Portugal. 
>
> I'd like to help the cousin find his ancestry.Doug just mentioned that 
> many MEDEIROS came from Faial and Pico. But, as far as I know, the 
> cousin does not know where his Philip MEDEIROS, b~1855?,  came from. 
>
> Betty  (near Lowell, MA, USA) 
>
> P.S. 
> About a month ago a very helpful researcher offered me information on my 
> husband's ancestors.He said Mrs. Filomena (da ROSA) MOURA came from 
> Horta, Faial, but her parents came from both Faial and Pico.She and 
> Francisco MOURA also married there, and was told their children were born 
> there.But, Francisco was from Ponta Degada, Sao Miguel. 
>
> By the way, the surviving children were:   Manuel, Elzira "Elsie," Ernesto 
> "Frank," Rosa, and Carolina.   (in that order) I read that Ernesto and 
> Anna MOURA went back to the Azores during 1950's;   is it possible they 
> died 
> there? 
>
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Azores -Genealogy Silvia from Madeira Island

[Will Clinton]

Hi, 

 

I am new to the group and I am working on my wife's side of our family tree.
The ancestor I am working on currently is Dionesia (Rose) Jesus Silvia--born
1872 in Cape Verde-Madeira (Azores) Portugal.  Arrived in Boston March 29,
1910.  She had 4 boys Manuel, Agostinho (August) my wife's grandfather,
Domingo, and Afred.  She died December 12, 1949 (I think--haven't verified
yet).  If this is correct then her parents were Antono Dutra and Anna Clara
and came from city of Funchal on Madeira Island.  I am not sure of her
husband but he died before she came to America.  Any help would be greatly
appreciated.

 

WILL CLINTON

Partner, American Family Funding Group--NMLS #870538

DRE#00842858--NMLS #339741

Specializing in FHA, VA,MCC, CA PERS, REVERSE MORTGAGES

COMMERCIAL, AND OF COURSE FANNIE AND FREDDIE PRODUCTS

1190 SO BASCOM AVE #215

SAN JOSE, CA 95128

408-297-6800 x 1702

408-273-6013 EFAX

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] BADILHO

[pico]

I should have added that there is one João Rodrigues de Badilho who could be the person who brought this name to Terceira. I estimate he was born about 1475. He married into one of the three Cardoso branches of Terceira. Maybe I will find an additional piece of information from Fenix Angrence as to his origins.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] BADILHO
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I have an ancestor from Porto Judeu named de BADILHO in the late 1600s.It just occurred to me that this name is too similar to another one de BOBADILHO to be overlooked.I wonder if anyone has successfully linked them.One could speculate that the original for Badilho is the longer form Bobadilho.There is a location in Spain called Bobadilla and I think Bobadilho is the Portuguese transliteration. It would make sense.Alas, the Porto Judeu records are not old enough to trace these many named Badilho back further to reveal the answer to this one.Having been cheated by Guarda-Mor out of my Terceira volumes by Mendes and Forjaz, I can't look to see if they have a chapter on this surname to see what they think.Atenciosamente,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com  --   





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[AZORES-Genealogy] BADILHO

[pico]

I have an ancestor from Porto Judeu named de BADILHO in the late 1600s.It just occurred to me that this name is too similar to another one de BOBADILHO to be overlooked.I wonder if anyone has successfully linked them.One could speculate that the original for Badilho is the longer form Bobadilho.There is a location in Spain called Bobadilla and I think Bobadilho is the Portuguese transliteration. It would make sense.Alas, the Porto Judeu records are not old enough to trace these many named Badilho back further to reveal the answer to this one.Having been cheated by Guarda-Mor out of my Terceira volumes by Mendes and Forjaz, I can't look to see if they have a chapter on this surname to see what they think.Atenciosamente,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS from unknown Island

[pico]

Great point, Gayle.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS from unknown Island
From: Gayle Machado 
Date: Tue, April 23, 2013 4:01 pm
To: "azores@googlegroups.com" 

Doug, Betty and others,Excuse me for dropping into the middle of a conversion, but there is both a blessing and a danger in generalizing. Just to offer a cautionary counterexample to one of the points listed this previous message: my grandmother was a Medeiros from Pico whose family settled in Massachusetts (not California) around 1898.  It was only after the end of WWII that they started to migrate out to the West Coast. By then, many of them had changed the spelling to Madeiros. GayleOn Apr 23, 2013, at 3:48 PM,  wrote:Hi Betty,Nice to hear from you. It's been a very long time since you told me about your project to document the Portuguese of Lowell.If you didn't already do it, you can add my great-great-grandfather, Manuel Joaquim Leal who died in Lowell after an operation in 1886. He is buried in the cemetery in New Bedford, though.About Medeiros, Hermano is probably right. That has always been my first guess when I run across anyone named Medeiros - that they came from Sao Miguel.However, I mentioned a lot of them in Faial and Pico.So the way I would approach this question is first to look at the other surnames associated with Medeiros.You mentioned Miranda and there are a lot of Miranda in Pico, in the Madalena area. But of course, we have our illustrious list member, John Miranda Raposo, whose Miranda is also from Sao Miguel, probably Bretanha.You also mention Moura, but it doesn't seem in connection with Medeiros. I have 49 named Moura in my genealogy program, a tiny fraction, and the majority seem to be from either the continent or Madeira, with some in Sao Miguel and some in Faial, one in Pico, and a few in Terceira. So that doesn't really tell me much, but I think Sao Miguel might have a great many using the name Moura.On the whole, I would say your friend's Medeiros is most likely Sao Miguel. And since it's also more common for people from Sao Miguel to settle in New England, that's another thing leading to this conclusion. If this Medeiros family had moved to CA, then it might also mean they were going where their families had settled and Faial or Pico are better represented in CA when looking at percentages.I would place a heavy importance on finding them as immigrants. Philip is far less common a first name than most and that is in your favor. Try searching passengers arriving in Boston, New Bedford and maybe also NY if the first two don't work. But look for Filipe de Medeiros (or maybe Filipe Medeiros).I believe his arrival would be before the gap in passport records out of Ponta Deldada, Sao Miguel. So if you can find his arrival, look for the corresponding departure from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel.That should get you off to a decent start.Boa sorte (good luck)!Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS from unknown Island From: "Betty"  Date: Tue, April 23, 2013 2:13 pm To:   Hi Doug,  For several years, as I have time, I try to help my husband's cousin with  his MEDEIROS / MIRANDA family-tree. (actually his father's cousin) He  is more interested in finding descendants of .. Philip and Mary (MIRANDA)  MEDEIROS, who reportedly had 8 children.  The 1900 US census for Cambridge, MA, has Mrs. Medeiros as a widow, and  having 6 children with her. The family migrated here in 1889, and the last  3 children were born here. It seems Mr. Medeiros died between 1895-1900,  as he fathered a child in 1895. In 1910, only the 2 youngest, as teens,  were with her, and I can't locate the older children.  One side note is that I looked on census pages early this morning, and there  were 4 other MEDEIROS families, almost in the same neighborhood, and  arriving around the same time, including: Joseph, b1869, Frank, b1857,  Victor, b1862. Mrs. Mary (MIRANDA) MEDEIROS was b1859. The problem is  that most of them just say born Portugal.  I'd like to help the cousin find his ancestry. Doug just mentioned that  many MEDEIROS came from Faial and Pico. But, as far as I know, the  cousin does not know where his Philip MEDEIROS, b~1855?, came from.  Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)  P.S. About a month ago a very helpful researcher offered me information on my  husband's ancestors. He said Mrs. Filomena (da ROSA) MOURA came from  Horta, Faial, but her parents came from both Faial and Pico. She and  Francisco MOURA also married there, and was told their children were born  there. But, Francisco was from Ponta Degada, Sao Miguel.  By the way, the surviving children were: Manuel, Elzira "Elsie," Ern

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS from unknown Island

[Gayle Machado]

Doug, Betty and others,

Excuse me for dropping into the middle of a conversion, but there is both a 
blessing and a danger in generalizing. Just to offer a cautionary 
counterexample to one of the points listed this previous message: my 
grandmother was a Medeiros from Pico whose family settled in Massachusetts (not 
California) around 1898.  It was only after the end of WWII that they started 
to migrate out to the West Coast. By then, many of them had changed the 
spelling to Madeiros. 

Gayle

On Apr 23, 2013, at 3:48 PM,  wrote:

> Hi Betty,
> 
> Nice to hear from you. It's been a very long time since you told me about 
> your project to document the Portuguese of Lowell.
> 
> If you didn't already do it, you can add my great-great-grandfather, Manuel 
> Joaquim Leal who died in Lowell after an operation in 1886. He is buried in 
> the cemetery in New Bedford, though.
> 
> About Medeiros, Hermano is probably right. That has always been my first 
> guess when I run across anyone named Medeiros - that they came from Sao 
> Miguel.
> 
> However, I mentioned a lot of them in Faial and Pico.
> So the way I would approach this question is first to look at the other 
> surnames associated with Medeiros.
> You mentioned Miranda and there are a lot of Miranda in Pico, in the Madalena 
> area. But of course, we have our illustrious list member, John Miranda 
> Raposo, whose Miranda is also from Sao Miguel, probably Bretanha.
> 
> You also mention Moura, but it doesn't seem in connection with Medeiros. I 
> have 49 named Moura in my genealogy program, a tiny fraction, and the 
> majority seem to be from either the continent or Madeira, with some in Sao 
> Miguel and some in Faial, one in Pico, and a few in Terceira. So that doesn't 
> really tell me much, but I think Sao Miguel might have a great many using the 
> name Moura.
> 
> On the whole, I would say your friend's Medeiros is most likely Sao Miguel. 
> And since it's also more common for people from Sao Miguel to settle in New 
> England, that's another thing leading to this conclusion. If this Medeiros 
> family had moved to CA, then it might also mean they were going where their 
> families had settled and Faial or Pico are better represented in CA when 
> looking at percentages.
> 
> I would place a heavy importance on finding them as immigrants. Philip is far 
> less common a first name than most and that is in your favor. Try searching 
> passengers arriving in Boston, New Bedford and maybe also NY if the first two 
> don't work. But look for Filipe de Medeiros (or maybe Filipe Medeiros).
> 
> I believe his arrival would be before the gap in passport records out of 
> Ponta Deldada, Sao Miguel. So if you can find his arrival, look for the 
> corresponding departure from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel.
> 
> That should get you off to a decent start.
> 
> Boa sorte (good luck)!
> 
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS from unknown Island
> From: "Betty" 
> Date: Tue, April 23, 2013 2:13 pm
> To: 
> 
> Hi Doug,
> 
> For several years, as I have time, I try to help my husband's cousin with 
> his MEDEIROS / MIRANDA family-tree. (actually his father's cousin) He 
> is more interested in finding descendants of .. Philip and Mary (MIRANDA) 
> MEDEIROS, who reportedly had 8 children.
> 
> The 1900 US census for Cambridge, MA, has Mrs. Medeiros as a widow, and 
> having 6 children with her.   The family migrated here in 1889, and the last 
> 3 children were born here.It seems Mr. Medeiros died between 1895-1900, 
> as he fathered a child in 1895. In 1910, only the 2 youngest, as teens, 
> were with her, and I can't locate the older children.
> 
> One side note is that I looked on census pages early this morning, and there 
> were 4 other MEDEIROS families, almost in the same neighborhood, and 
> arriving around the same time, including: Joseph, b1869, Frank, b1857, 
> Victor, b1862. Mrs. Mary (MIRANDA) MEDEIROS was b1859. The problem is 
> that most of them just say born Portugal.
> 
> I'd like to help the cousin find his ancestry. Doug just mentioned that 
> many MEDEIROS came from Faial and Pico. But, as far as I know, the 
> cousin does not know where his Philip MEDEIROS, b~1855?, came from.
> 
> Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)
> 
> P.S.
> About a month ago a very helpful researcher offered me information on my 
> husband's ancestors. He said Mrs. Filomena (da ROSA) MOURA came from 
> Horta, Faial, but her parents came from both Faial and Pico. She and 
> Francisco MOURA also married there, and was told their children were born 
> there. But, Francisco was from Ponta Degada, Sao Miguel.
> 
> By the way, the surviving children were: Manuel, Elzira "Elsie," Ernesto 
> "Frank," Rosa, and Carolina. (in that order) I read that Ernesto and 
> Anna MOURA went back to the Azores during 1950's;   is it possible they d

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS from unknown Island

[pico]

Hi Betty,Nice to hear from you. It's been a very long time since you told me about your project to document the Portuguese of Lowell.If you didn't already do it, you can add my great-great-grandfather, Manuel Joaquim Leal who died in Lowell after an operation in 1886. He is buried in the cemetery in New Bedford, though.About Medeiros, Hermano is probably right. That has always been my first guess when I run across anyone named Medeiros - that they came from Sao Miguel.However, I mentioned a lot of them in Faial and Pico.So the way I would approach this question is first to look at the other surnames associated with Medeiros.You mentioned Miranda and there are a lot of Miranda in Pico, in the Madalena area. But of course, we have our illustrious list member, John Miranda Raposo, whose Miranda is also from Sao Miguel, probably Bretanha.You also mention Moura, but it doesn't seem in connection with Medeiros. I have 49 named Moura in my genealogy program, a tiny fraction, and the majority seem to be from either the continent or Madeira, with some in Sao Miguel and some in Faial, one in Pico, and a few in Terceira. So that doesn't really tell me much, but I think Sao Miguel might have a great many using the name Moura.On the whole, I would say your friend's Medeiros is most likely Sao Miguel. And since it's also more common for people from Sao Miguel to settle in New England, that's another thing leading to this conclusion. If this Medeiros family had moved to CA, then it might also mean they were going where their families had settled and Faial or Pico are better represented in CA when looking at percentages.I would place a heavy importance on finding them as immigrants. Philip is far less common a first name than most and that is in your favor. Try searching passengers arriving in Boston, New Bedford and maybe also NY if the first two don't work. But look for Filipe de Medeiros (or maybe Filipe Medeiros).I believe his arrival would be before the gap in passport records out of Ponta Deldada, Sao Miguel. So if you can find his arrival, look for the corresponding departure from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel.That should get you off to a decent start.Boa sorte (good luck)!Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


 Original Message 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS from unknown Island
From: "Betty" 
Date: Tue, April 23, 2013 2:13 pm
To: 

Hi Doug,

For several years, as I have time, I try to help my husband's cousin with 
his MEDEIROS / MIRANDA family-tree.(actually his father's cousin)He 
is more interested in finding descendants of  ..  Philip and Mary (MIRANDA) 
MEDEIROS, who reportedly had 8 children.

The 1900 US census for Cambridge, MA, has Mrs. Medeiros as a widow, and 
having 6 children with her.   The family migrated here in 1889, and the last 
3 children were born here.It seems Mr. Medeiros died between 1895-1900, 
as he fathered a child in 1895. In 1910, only the 2 youngest, as teens, 
were with her, and I can't locate the older children.

One side note is that I looked on census pages early this morning, and there 
were  4 other MEDEIROS families, almost in the same neighborhood, and 
arriving around the same time, including:   Joseph, b1869, Frank, b1857, 
Victor, b1862.Mrs. Mary (MIRANDA) MEDEIROS was b1859.The problem is 
that most of them just say born Portugal.

I'd like to help the cousin find his ancestry.Doug just mentioned that 
many MEDEIROS came from Faial and Pico. But, as far as I know, the 
cousin does not know where his Philip MEDEIROS, b~1855?,  came from.

Betty  (near Lowell, MA, USA)

P.S.
About a month ago a very helpful researcher offered me information on my 
husband's ancestors.He said Mrs. Filomena (da ROSA) MOURA came from 
Horta, Faial, but her parents came from both Faial and Pico.She and 
Francisco MOURA also married there, and was told their children were born 
there.But, Francisco was from Ponta Degada, Sao Miguel.

By the way, the surviving children were:   Manuel, Elzira "Elsie," Ernesto 
"Frank," Rosa, and Carolina.   (in that order) I read that Ernesto and 
Anna MOURA went back to the Azores during 1950's;   is it possible they died 
there?
 







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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS from unknown Island

[pico]

But Hermano, where's the fun if we don't ruffle some feathers?!It's the spice of life.:-)Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS from unknown Island
From: "Hermano C. Pires" 
Date: Tue, April 23, 2013 2:28 pm
To: "azores@googlegroups.com" 

   Hi I just have to pipe in here and add my two cents worthIn Saudades da Terra it states that with some of the first settlers in the Azores, the Medeiros clan settled in the area of Alagoa (Lagoa), S. Miguel.There is a multitude of Medeiros in S. Miguel since that time.I hope this doesn' ruffle anybody's feathers :))Hermano  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA sale extended to Thursday, April 25, 11:59 pm CDT

[pico]

Nell,I must not have been clear enough.I got tested with Family Finder as well as mt-DNA representing my mother's maternal line.I never got the Y-DNA test because my father did it and there is no reason I can see to duplicate that.What I meant to say is that I have never had one of my siblings get tested to see if their results are different than mine.For me, this is a very exciting field of genealogy and I encourage everyone to get one or more of these DNA tests. But be sure to use FTDNA.COM so you have the largest database to compare results with others.Good luck!Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA sale extended to
Thursday, April 25, 11:59 pm CDT
From: Nelly 
Date: Tue, April 23, 2013 2:12 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Doug,Thank you. Often times we are disappointed because our expectaions aren't met. I could see myself heading that way with these tests. I'm not sure they can tell me what I want to know. I need to do more research. I'm curious to know why you have not had it done. Nell  On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:52:00 PM UTC-4, Doug Holmes wrote:Nell,Yes, always test the person from the oldest generation.But if you and your siblings were all who are still alive, then any of your generation are going to be relatively the same. Of course, you are not the exact same as your siblings. One of you might have inherited different DNA from your parents. If you figure that you get 50% of your DNA from each parent, you can flip that around and say you lose half the DNA from each of your parents. So what you lose might not have been lost by one of your siblings. I hope that makes sense.In the results from the Family Finder test, which is certainly the one I recommend and what most people start with these days, your DNA matches could vary from one of your siblings. I didn't do it and might never, but if one of my siblings were to be tested, it is possible they might have matches that I don't have due to what DNA each of us has inherited.I do know that what my father shows as a match is always more than I show. For his side of my ancestry, what he shows is always "stronger" than what I show.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA sale extended to Thursday, April 25, 11:59 pm CDT From: Nelly  Date: Tue, April 23, 2013 8:40 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com  I'm interested in doing both lines. Both of my parents are deceased. Do I understand correctly that the testee should be the oldest person you can find? For example, on my mother's side I could do her sister who is 89 yrs. old and on my father's side I could do my brother who is 70 yrs. old?  Thank you so much for your time. You people have been so helpful in helping me sort all this out.     NellOn Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:55:24 AM UTC-4, Doug Holmes wrote:Nell,You might find this helpful in deciding which test to do:http://www.dholmes.com/dna.html Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS from unknown Island

[Hermano C. Pires]

Hi I just have to pipe in here and add my two cents worthIn Saudades da Terra 
it states that with some of the first settlers in the Azores, the Medeiros clan 
settled in the area of Alagoa (Lagoa), S. Miguel.There is a multitude of 
Medeiros in S. Miguel since that time.I hope this doesn' ruffle anybody's 
feathers :))Hermano
 > From: bbffr...@comcast.net
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS from unknown Island
> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:13:08 -0400
> 
> Hi Doug,
> 
> For several years, as I have time, I try to help my husband's cousin with 
> his MEDEIROS / MIRANDA family-tree.(actually his father's cousin)He 
> is more interested in finding descendants of  ..  Philip and Mary (MIRANDA) 
> MEDEIROS, who reportedly had 8 children.
> 
> The 1900 US census for Cambridge, MA, has Mrs. Medeiros as a widow, and 
> having 6 children with her.   The family migrated here in 1889, and the last 
> 3 children were born here.It seems Mr. Medeiros died between 1895-1900, 
> as he fathered a child in 1895. In 1910, only the 2 youngest, as teens, 
> were with her, and I can't locate the older children.
> 
> One side note is that I looked on census pages early this morning, and there 
> were  4 other MEDEIROS families, almost in the same neighborhood, and 
> arriving around the same time, including:   Joseph, b1869, Frank, b1857, 
> Victor, b1862.Mrs. Mary (MIRANDA) MEDEIROS was b1859.The problem is 
> that most of them just say born Portugal.
> 
> I'd like to help the cousin find his ancestry.Doug just mentioned that 
> many MEDEIROS came from Faial and Pico. But, as far as I know, the 
> cousin does not know where his Philip MEDEIROS, b~1855?,  came from.
> 
> Betty  (near Lowell, MA, USA)
> 
> P.S.
> About a month ago a very helpful researcher offered me information on my 
> husband's ancestors.He said Mrs. Filomena (da ROSA) MOURA came from 
> Horta, Faial, but her parents came from both Faial and Pico.She and 
> Francisco MOURA also married there, and was told their children were born 
> there.But, Francisco was from Ponta Degada, Sao Miguel.
> 
> By the way, the surviving children were:   Manuel, Elzira "Elsie," Ernesto 
> "Frank," Rosa, and Carolina.   (in that order) I read that Ernesto and 
> Anna MOURA went back to the Azores during 1950's;   is it possible they died 
> there?
> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS from unknown Island

[Betty]

Hi Doug,

For several years, as I have time, I try to help my husband's cousin with 
his MEDEIROS / MIRANDA family-tree.(actually his father's cousin)He 
is more interested in finding descendants of  ..  Philip and Mary (MIRANDA) 
MEDEIROS, who reportedly had 8 children.


The 1900 US census for Cambridge, MA, has Mrs. Medeiros as a widow, and 
having 6 children with her.   The family migrated here in 1889, and the last 
3 children were born here.It seems Mr. Medeiros died between 1895-1900, 
as he fathered a child in 1895. In 1910, only the 2 youngest, as teens, 
were with her, and I can't locate the older children.


One side note is that I looked on census pages early this morning, and there 
were  4 other MEDEIROS families, almost in the same neighborhood, and 
arriving around the same time, including:   Joseph, b1869, Frank, b1857, 
Victor, b1862.Mrs. Mary (MIRANDA) MEDEIROS was b1859.The problem is 
that most of them just say born Portugal.


I'd like to help the cousin find his ancestry.Doug just mentioned that 
many MEDEIROS came from Faial and Pico. But, as far as I know, the 
cousin does not know where his Philip MEDEIROS, b~1855?,  came from.


Betty  (near Lowell, MA, USA)

P.S.
About a month ago a very helpful researcher offered me information on my 
husband's ancestors.He said Mrs. Filomena (da ROSA) MOURA came from 
Horta, Faial, but her parents came from both Faial and Pico.She and 
Francisco MOURA also married there, and was told their children were born 
there.But, Francisco was from Ponta Degada, Sao Miguel.


By the way, the surviving children were:   Manuel, Elzira "Elsie," Ernesto 
"Frank," Rosa, and Carolina.   (in that order) I read that Ernesto and 
Anna MOURA went back to the Azores during 1950's;   is it possible they died 
there?



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA sale extended to Thursday, April 25, 11:59 pm CDT

[Nelly]

Doug,
Thank you. Often times we are disappointed because our expectaions aren't 
met. I could see myself heading that way with these tests. I'm not sure 
they can tell me what I want to know. I need to do more research. I'm 
curious to know why you have not had it done.
 
Nell
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:52:00 PM UTC-4, Doug Holmes wrote:

> Nell,
>
> Yes, always test the person from the oldest generation.
> But if you and your siblings were all who are still alive, then any of 
> your generation are going to be relatively the same. Of course, you are not 
> the exact same as your siblings. One of you might have inherited different 
> DNA from your parents. If you figure that you get 50% of your DNA from each 
> parent, you can flip that around and say you lose half the DNA from each of 
> your parents. So what you lose might not have been lost by one of your 
> siblings. I hope that makes sense.
>
> In the results from the Family Finder test, which is certainly the one I 
> recommend and what most people start with these days, your DNA matches 
> could vary from one of your siblings. I didn't do it and might never, but 
> if one of my siblings were to be tested, it is possible they might have 
> matches that I don't have due to what DNA each of us has inherited.
>
> I do know that what my father shows as a match is always more than I show. 
> For his side of my ancestry, what he shows is always "stronger" than what I 
> show.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA sale extended to
> Thursday, April 25, 11:59 pm CDT
> From: Nelly >
> Date: Tue, April 23, 2013 8:40 am
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com 
>
> I'm interested in doing both lines. Both of my parents are deceased. Do I 
> understand correctly that the testee should be the oldest person you can 
> find? For example, on my mother's side I could do her sister who is 89 yrs. 
> old and on my father's side I could do my brother who is 70 yrs. old?  
> Thank you so much for your time. You people have been so helpful in helping 
> me sort all this out.
>  
> Nell
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:55:24 AM UTC-4, Doug Holmes wrote:
>
>> Nell,
>>
>> You might find this helpful in deciding which test to do:
>>
>> http://www.dholmes.com/dna.html 
>>
>> Doug da Rocha Holmes
>> Sacramento, California
>> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
>> 916-550-1618
>> www.dholmes.com
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA sale extended to Thursday, April 25, 11:59 pm CDT

[Cheri Mello]

Ellen Ade said:
<>

* Determine if 2 people are related
* Determine if 2 people descend from the same ancestor
* Prove or disprove theories regarding your family history
* Break through those "brick walls"
* Validate your existing research

If you don't have a specific goal in mind, you may want to start with the
Family Finder test (autosomal DNA).  This covers your entire pedigree back
about 200 years from the testee.

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Jorge marriage records

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Ellen A,

You go to the CCA site at: http://goo.gl/f3S08
Point at the council of Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island (the finger tip
must be right on the white button). Left click once.

When the next screen appears, pick your freguesia.  Mosteiros is not yet
uploaded.

If your freguesia was uploaded, you'd pick baptisms, and then when that
screen loaded, you'd pick the years that cover 1881 and look for a
Francisco born to an Henrique da Silva and Anna Jacinta de Medeiros.

Since I've already goofed and answered the CCA navigation question on a
thread titled Sao Jorge marriage records, I'm going to copy your DNA part
and go answer it on that thread so it's properly placed in the archive.

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Jorge marriage records

[elle]

Hello All,
I have not used this site in a long time - but have finally found a little 
time to do some research.  Does anyone know how to use the CCA site?  My 
grandfather was Francisco da Silva, born 1881 in Mosteiros, San Miguel, 
Ponta Delgado.  He was the son of Henrique da Silva (1855) and Ana Jacinta 
de Medeiros.  Also, can someone tell me a little more about the advantages 
of doing the DNA?
Thanks, Ellen Ade
On Monday, April 22, 2013 8:44:42 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

>  Gerri M,
>
> To see which islands and freguesias are online at the CCA site, go to the 
> CCA site and click on the white button (the finger tip has to point at the 
> white button or it won't load):
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/
>
> I'm not a Sao Jorge researcher, but I think they have that island fully 
> uploaded.  Those who research Sao Jorge will confirm.
>
> Joseph Marshall Nunes would probably appear as Jose Machado Nunes and Mary 
> Carolina Morais would probably appear as Maria Carolina Morias.  Now, when 
> you were told that these ancestors were from Velas, did that mean Velas the 
> city or somewhere within the council of Velas?  You may have to check all 6 
> freguesias in Velas or broaden your search to 1890-1899.  Or question the 
> relative to be SURE that they married in Velas and not America.  Just 
> because they were from Velas doesn't mean they married there.
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Tainhas, Achada 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Bedford St John's Cemetery Lookup Needed

[Pam Santos]

He wasn't married, i don't think any of those are him.


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:07 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> Pam,
>
> These are the closest I found.
> 6th Avenue Joseph S.Silva no dated buried w/Mary J. 1871-1913
> 7th Avenue Joseph Silva 1871-1938 buried with Adelaide, Antone G. Joseph
> G, Domingo, Jesse G.
> A.L.S. Avenue Joseph M. Silva1873-1942 buried with Albert M. Evelyn, Anna
> J. Guilherminia
> St. Cecelia Joseph Silva 1876-1941buried with Antonia.
>
> "E"
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:09 AM, Cindy D  wrote:
>
>> Patricia!!!  OMG!!!  THIS IS HIM!!!  There's Aunt Annie, Aunt
>> Margaret, Georgie, Uncle Jessie and LOL, my grandpa Jose (we called
>> him Joe, everybody loved Joe!), and Uncle Alfred!!!  The first and
>> last time I saw any of them was in 1967 at a funeral in Florida.  We
>> had a ball at the funeral, what fun people!  This is one of those
>> miracles that I mentioned earlier!  Thank you so much!!  OMGcan't
>> believe this!  I can't wait to show my 85yr old mom!!   And yep,
>> Margarida Pimentel Silvathat's my g-grandma.  She was a troubled
>> soul and I want to know where she ended up.  I thought she died before
>> her husband...apparently not.  This might be troublesome as a lot of
>> the kids left New Bedford and perhaps she went to live with one of the
>> kids out of state.  Arg.  I think Alfred's son still might live in
>> New Bedford.  He and my mom are the last two of the whole clan.  I
>> have ONE picture of the Portuguese side of my family and had hoped to
>> hook up with descendants to learn more about them all.
>>
>> Thanks again Patricia, this is AWESOME!!
>> CindyD
>>
>> On Apr 22, 7:19 pm, pbr4...@aol.com wrote:
>> > Cindy,
>> >
>> > There is an obit for Jose Silva, whose widow is Margarida Pimentel
>> Silva, on page 2 of the Dec. 15, 1942 edition of Diario de Noticias.
>> Children are Mrs. Frederick D. Sherman, Mrs. Manuel Marchall, Mrs. Weldon
>> Rhodes, Mrs. Jesse Hemman, Mrs. Frederick Johnson, Jose, George and Alfredo.
>> >
>> > Patricia
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA sale extended to Thursday, April 25, 11:59 pm CDT

[pico]

Nell,Yes, always test the person from the oldest generation.But if you and your siblings were all who are still alive, then any of your generation are going to be relatively the same. Of course, you are not the exact same as your siblings. One of you might have inherited different DNA from your parents. If you figure that you get 50% of your DNA from each parent, you can flip that around and say you lose half the DNA from each of your parents. So what you lose might not have been lost by one of your siblings. I hope that makes sense.In the results from the Family Finder test, which is certainly the one I recommend and what most people start with these days, your DNA matches could vary from one of your siblings. I didn't do it and might never, but if one of my siblings were to be tested, it is possible they might have matches that I don't have due to what DNA each of us has inherited.I do know that what my father shows as a match is always more than I show. For his side of my ancestry, what he shows is always "stronger" than what I show.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA sale extended to
Thursday, April 25, 11:59 pm CDT
From: Nelly 
Date: Tue, April 23, 2013 8:40 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com

I'm interested in doing both lines. Both of my parents are deceased. Do I understand correctly that the testee should be the oldest person you can find? For example, on my mother's side I could do her sister who is 89 yrs. old and on my father's side I could do my brother who is 70 yrs. old?  Thank you so much for your time. You people have been so helpful in helping me sort all this out.     NellOn Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:55:24 AM UTC-4, Doug Holmes wrote:Nell,You might find this helpful in deciding which test to do:http://www.dholmes.com/dna.html Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com 





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vacation

[George Pacheco]

He will be there sorry my mistake :)

On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:55 PM, PatGirard wrote:

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> George, I hope he'll be on the dock and not at the airport because we're
> arriving on a cruise ship! :)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA sale extended to Thursday, April 25, 11:59 pm CDT

[Cheri Mello]

Nell,

Yes, if you have access to your parents' siblings that is the better
choice.

Since I don't know your goal, I'd advise you to do a Family Finder on the
89 year old now with this sale.  You can order mtDNA on her later.

If you have the money, you could do the Family Finder on the 70 year old
(Family Finder is usually $289 and when they put it on sale it the past, it
was $199, so this sale of $169 is really good).  If you don't have the
money right now, then wait for another sale.  If you do the Family Finder
on this uncle, you can add on his Y-DNA or mtDNA later on as well.

I'm just basing this off the ages of 89 and 70 - not knowing anything else
about them. For all I know, the 70 year old may not be in as good of health
as the 89 year old.

You'll need to put together a pedigree chart and have it uploaded to FTDNA
when the results come in.  You'll get more information on that when you
purchase a test and you get the "welcome" letter.

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA sale extended to Thursday, April 25, 11:59 pm CDT

[Nelly]

I'm interested in doing both lines. Both of my parents are deceased. Do I 
understand correctly that the testee should be the oldest person you can 
find? For example, on my mother's side I could do her sister who is 89 yrs. 
old and on my father's side I could do my brother who is 70 yrs. old?  
Thank you so much for your time. You people have been so helpful in helping 
me sort all this out.
 
Nell
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:55:24 AM UTC-4, Doug Holmes wrote:

> Nell,
>
> You might find this helpful in deciding which test to do:
>
> http://www.dholmes.com/dna.html 
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA sale extended to
> Thursday, April 25, 11:59 pm CDT
> From: Nelly >
> Date: Tue, April 23, 2013 4:43 am
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com 
> Cc: Azores Genealogy >,
> island...@googlegroups.com , prt-m...@rootsweb.com
>
> I have never heard of DNA testing for the purpose of tracing a family 
> line but it has my curiousity pecked. If I decide  to have it done, which 
> test should I have done first?
> Nell
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2013 9:16:01 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
>> (Cross posted to the following lists: Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes)
>>
>> Family Tree DNA has extended their DNA sale though April 25th, ending at 
>> 11:59 pm CDT.
>>
>> They also publicly announced that they will have a Y-DNA upgrade sale 
>> around Father's Day.  They did not say if this will be the same as the 
>> Sizzling Summer Sale or not.  Since FTDNA is an American based company, 
>> Father's Day is Sunday, June 16, so they must be aiming for mid-June.
>>
>> If you have Azorean roots, order here: goo.gl/zVDos
>> If you have Madeiran roots, order here: goo.gl/peutQ
>>
>> If you have both, pick one of the above projects.
>>
>> If you are looking to join your spouse or other relative to a 
>> non-Portuguese project, email Cheri directly at gfscherim at gmail.comand 
>> I'll find a project for you.
>>
>> (Thanks Edward Rodrigues for calling this to my attention.  You got your 
>> Facts & Genes newsletter about 4 hours before I received mine).
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer) 
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Bedford St John's Cemetery Lookup Needed

["E" Sharp]

Pam,

These are the closest I found.
6th Avenue Joseph S.Silva no dated buried w/Mary J. 1871-1913
7th Avenue Joseph Silva 1871-1938 buried with Adelaide, Antone G. Joseph G,
Domingo, Jesse G.
A.L.S. Avenue Joseph M. Silva1873-1942 buried with Albert M. Evelyn, Anna
J. Guilherminia
St. Cecelia Joseph Silva 1876-1941buried with Antonia.

"E"


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:09 AM, Cindy D  wrote:

> Patricia!!!  OMG!!!  THIS IS HIM!!!  There's Aunt Annie, Aunt
> Margaret, Georgie, Uncle Jessie and LOL, my grandpa Jose (we called
> him Joe, everybody loved Joe!), and Uncle Alfred!!!  The first and
> last time I saw any of them was in 1967 at a funeral in Florida.  We
> had a ball at the funeral, what fun people!  This is one of those
> miracles that I mentioned earlier!  Thank you so much!!  OMGcan't
> believe this!  I can't wait to show my 85yr old mom!!   And yep,
> Margarida Pimentel Silvathat's my g-grandma.  She was a troubled
> soul and I want to know where she ended up.  I thought she died before
> her husband...apparently not.  This might be troublesome as a lot of
> the kids left New Bedford and perhaps she went to live with one of the
> kids out of state.  Arg.  I think Alfred's son still might live in
> New Bedford.  He and my mom are the last two of the whole clan.  I
> have ONE picture of the Portuguese side of my family and had hoped to
> hook up with descendants to learn more about them all.
>
> Thanks again Patricia, this is AWESOME!!
> CindyD
>
> On Apr 22, 7:19 pm, pbr4...@aol.com wrote:
> > Cindy,
> >
> > There is an obit for Jose Silva, whose widow is Margarida Pimentel
> Silva, on page 2 of the Dec. 15, 1942 edition of Diario de Noticias.
> Children are Mrs. Frederick D. Sherman, Mrs. Manuel Marchall, Mrs. Weldon
> Rhodes, Mrs. Jesse Hemman, Mrs. Frederick Johnson, Jose, George and Alfredo.
> >
> > Patricia
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA sale extended to Thursday, April 25, 11:59 pm CDT

[Cheri Mello]

Nell,

Depends on your goal.  If you want to focus on one line only and have
access to a male relative from that line, then you would want a Y-DNA
test.  If you want to focus on your mother's mother's mother's line (all
women - that one line only), you'd want an mtDNA test (which yields more
anthropological information generally).  If you want a cross section of
your entire pedigree going back about 200 years from the age of the testee,
then you want Family Finder.  Since I had access to both of my parents, I
had them take the Family Finder test (2 separate tests that I paid for).  I
got more information that way.

DNA for genealogy has been out since 2000.  Almost all genealogical
conferences have speakers on DNA.  Local genealogy societies also have DNA
speakers at their meetings.  Although these books are now out of date, the
basic way DNA works can be obtained from there: "Trace Your Roots with DNA"
by Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak and Ann Turner and "Genealogy and DNA" by
Colleen Fitzpatrick.

Cheri Mello
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA sale extended to Thursday, April 25, 11:59 pm CDT

[pico]

Nell,You might find this helpful in deciding which test to do:http://www.dholmes.com/dna.html Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA sale extended to
Thursday, April 25, 11:59 pm CDT
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Date: Tue, April 23, 2013 4:43 am
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Cc: Azores Genealogy ,
islandrou...@googlegroups.com,  prt-made...@rootsweb.com

I have never heard of DNA testing for the purpose of tracing a family line but it has my curiousity pecked. If I decide  to have it done, which test should I have done first?NellOn Monday, April 22, 2013 9:16:01 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:(Cross posted to the following lists: Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes)Family Tree DNA has extended their DNA sale though April 25th, ending at 11:59 pm CDT.They also publicly announced that they will have a Y-DNA upgrade sale around Father's Day.  They did not say if this will be the same as the Sizzling Summer Sale or not.  Since FTDNA is an American based company, Father's Day is Sunday, June 16, so they must be aiming for mid-June. If you have Azorean roots, order here: goo.gl/zVDosIf you have Madeiran roots, order here: goo.gl/peutQ If you have both, pick one of the above projects.If you are looking to join your spouse or other relative to a non-Portuguese project, email Cheri directly at gfscherim at gmail.com and I'll find a project for you. (Thanks Edward Rodrigues for calling this to my attention.  You got your Facts & Genes newsletter about 4 hours before I received mine).Cheri Mello Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)  





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA sale extended to Thursday, April 25, 11:59 pm CDT

[Nelly]

I have never heard of DNA testing for the purpose of tracing a family 
line but it has my curiousity pecked. If I decide  to have it done, which 
test should I have done first?
Nell

On Monday, April 22, 2013 9:16:01 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

> (Cross posted to the following lists: Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes)
>
> Family Tree DNA has extended their DNA sale though April 25th, ending at 
> 11:59 pm CDT.
>
> They also publicly announced that they will have a Y-DNA upgrade sale 
> around Father's Day.  They did not say if this will be the same as the 
> Sizzling Summer Sale or not.  Since FTDNA is an American based company, 
> Father's Day is Sunday, June 16, so they must be aiming for mid-June.
>
> If you have Azorean roots, order here: goo.gl/zVDos
> If you have Madeiran roots, order here: goo.gl/peutQ
>
> If you have both, pick one of the above projects.
>
> If you are looking to join your spouse or other relative to a 
> non-Portuguese project, email Cheri directly at gfscherim at gmail.comand 
> I'll find a project for you.
>
> (Thanks Edward Rodrigues for calling this to my attention.  You got your 
> Facts & Genes newsletter about 4 hours before I received mine).
>
> Cheri Mello
> Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Jorge marriage records

[Gerri Martin]

Thank you. Yes I checked all of them. I didn't know Marshall would be Machado 
but did not see any Jose Nunes or Maria Morais. 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Bedford St John's Cemetery Lookup Needed

[Cindy D]

Patricia!!!  OMG!!!  THIS IS HIM!!!  There's Aunt Annie, Aunt
Margaret, Georgie, Uncle Jessie and LOL, my grandpa Jose (we called
him Joe, everybody loved Joe!), and Uncle Alfred!!!  The first and
last time I saw any of them was in 1967 at a funeral in Florida.  We
had a ball at the funeral, what fun people!  This is one of those
miracles that I mentioned earlier!  Thank you so much!!  OMGcan't
believe this!  I can't wait to show my 85yr old mom!!   And yep,
Margarida Pimentel Silvathat's my g-grandma.  She was a troubled
soul and I want to know where she ended up.  I thought she died before
her husband...apparently not.  This might be troublesome as a lot of
the kids left New Bedford and perhaps she went to live with one of the
kids out of state.  Arg.  I think Alfred's son still might live in
New Bedford.  He and my mom are the last two of the whole clan.  I
have ONE picture of the Portuguese side of my family and had hoped to
hook up with descendants to learn more about them all.

Thanks again Patricia, this is AWESOME!!
CindyD

On Apr 22, 7:19 pm, pbr4...@aol.com wrote:
> Cindy,
>
> There is an obit for Jose Silva, whose widow is Margarida Pimentel Silva, on 
> page 2 of the Dec. 15, 1942 edition of Diario de Noticias. Children are Mrs. 
> Frederick D. Sherman, Mrs. Manuel Marchall, Mrs. Weldon Rhodes, Mrs. Jesse 
> Hemman, Mrs. Frederick Johnson, Jose, George and Alfredo.
>
> Patricia

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Bedford St John's Cemetery Lookup Needed

[Cindy D]

Elaine-
A, this is good.  I will need this information for a BUNCH of my
New Bedford family.

I always try to be very nice, very polite, very thankful when I'm so
desperate to connect with my ancestors.  I feel like a miracle happens
when I find a clue or distant kinI know you all know what I'm
talking about.

CindyD

On Apr 22, 3:53 pm, "\"E\" Sharp"  wrote:
> Cindy,
>
> You can call or write to the Cemetery and they will give you the death date
> especially because you have the location he is in at the cemetery and they
> like this.  If you are real nice to them, they are real nice in return.
> They can give it to you right over the phone and also they can tell you if
> anyone else is buried with them.  You should be able to get a death
> certificate from New Bedford Vitals.  I think the cost is about $15 now.
> My niece need her parent's marriage record when her mom passed away and she
> called Vitals and took the info over the phone plus her credit card number
> and she got it a few days later.  Here is the Cemetery info:
> St. John's Cemetery 664 Allen Street. New Bedford MA 02740
> Ph:   (508) 992-1071
>
> NB Vital Records, you can email her at:  elizabeth.marq...@newbedford-ma.gov
> Mail Addy and Phone No. City Clerks Office - 133 William St - Room 118 -
> New Bedford, MA 02740 - Tel: 508-979-1450 - Fax: 508-991-6225
>
> You might also want to get his Obit from NB Public Library and they are
> online.  If you need any more help, just ask.
>
> "E"
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Pam Santos  wrote:
> > If you happen to come across a Joseph Silva born Mar 23.1874 let me know.
> > I am looking for this last brother's death who died between 1936-1943 in
> > Massachusettes
>
> > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Cindy D  wrote:
>
> >> Thanks ElaineI don't think this is my gal.  She may be listed under
> >> Margaret.  I did see a Margaret T Silvia at find-a-grave and maybe that's
> >> her.  Except mine is a Margaret U Sylvia nee Pimentel (Flores).   I really
> >> need her death certificate because I need a court order to release her
> >> medical information and I have to have a birth and death date.and SS#.
> >> I don't think she ever held a job as she had some "emotional" issues so I
> >> don't think I'm going to get a SS#.  I also need a Bristol County lawyer to
> >> generate the court order.  Everything is hanging on getting a death date.
>
> >> Thank you for your Azorean Wisdom!
> >> CindyD
>
> >> On Monday, April 15, 2013 9:46:10 PM UTC-5, E Sharp wrote:
>
> >>>  There is a Margarida O. Sylvia but she was b. 1891 and died in 1979
> >>> buried in St. Jude Section.
>
> >>> The book is a little difficult to go through as I have to go page by
> >>> page as it is sorted by section and then by surname.
>
> >>> Also, by obtaining the exact date of death for Joseph from the cemetery,
> >>> you can email the New Bedford Public Library and ask for an obituary.  I
> >>> believe they now charge for this but it is minimal if memory serves me
> >>> correctly.  Been a while since I ordered one from them.  In the meantime, 
> >>> I
> >>> will check the Portuguese paper and see if I can find one there.
>
> >>> "E"
>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 6:31 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>
>   There is another Joseph Sylvia buried in St. Anthony Section.  b.
>  1875 d. 1942.  The previous one I sent was b. 1872 and died 1945 so I 
>  think
>  this one is probably the one you are looking for.  Call the cemetery, be
>  very nice, and ask them to look for his record.  They can give you exact
>  date of his death, etc.  I will try to find his wife's record.  According
>  to this record, there is no other name on the stone.
>
>  "E"
>
>  On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 6:24 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>
> >  St. John's Cemetery records are online at findagrave.com.  It does
> > list Joseph b. 1875 d. 1942.  I have the SJ cemetery book.  Joseph is
> > buried in St. Francis Section of St. John's.  He is buried with Virginia
> > 1879-1951 and Angelina Barboza 1901-1946. Not sure if this is the right 
> > one
> > as no Margarida listed on stone.  On Findagrave.com you can request a 
> > photo
> > of the stones and most times you will receive one.  Hope this helps.
>
> > "E"
>
> > On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
> >> this inccludes all the old Catholic cemeteries
>
> >> On Monday, April 15, 2013 9:27:34 PM UTC-4, Cindy D wrote:
>
> >>> Does anyone have the St John's Cemetery Book for a lookup. I'm
> >>> desperate.
>
> >>> Joseph Sylvia/Silvia/daSilva.  Should have died in 1942 according to
> >>> family, born Dec 1875 in St Miguel.
>
> >>> His wifeMargarita/Margaret/**Mar**garida Silvia/Sylvia  nee
> >>> Pimentel, died 1939 born in Flores.
>
> >>> If not, I had an address to someone I could write to at the cemetery
> >>> but have mislaid it, does anyone have that information??
>
> >>> CindyD
> >

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Bedford St John's Cemetery Lookup Needed

[Cindy D]

Edward-
Thank you.  I do believe this is my guy.
Now I need a death certificate!
CindyD

On Apr 15, 9:17 pm, Edward Rodrigues 
wrote:
> There is a Joseph Sylvia listed on find a grave
>
> Birth:  1875
> Death:  1942
>
> Burial:
> Saint Johns Cemetery
> New Bedford
> Bristol County
> Massachusetts, USA
> Plot: St Anthony section
>
> Edit Virtual Cemetery info [?]
>
> Created by: Karen
> Record added: Oct 16, 2010
> Find A Grave Memorial# 60206053
>
> On Apr 15, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Mike wrote:
>
>
>
> > There are four operating cemeteries under the jurisdiction of the City of 
> > New Bedford, they are:
>
> > All the cemeteries have been brought into one office holding all the 
> > records, the older cemeteries have no more plots to sell. so try writing to 
> > the address listed below
>
> > Rural Cemetery -- 149 Dartmouth Street
> > Oak Grove Cemetery -- 185 Parker Street
> > Pine Grove Cemetery -- 1100 Ashley Blvd
> > Peckham West Cemetery -- Mt. Pleasant Street*
> > There are also several cemeteries/and or buriel grounds under our 
> > jurisdiction that are closed, however, they are still maintained by our 
> > department personnel, they are:
>
> > Griffin Street Cemetery
> > Point Road Cemetery
> > Tobey Family Burying Ground
> > Reynolds Family (Braley Road) Cemetery
> > Congregational Church Cemetery
> > Friends Cemetery
> > Please note that records of all buriels under our jurisdiction are 
> > maintained in our Main Office of the Cemetery Board at 149 Dartmouth Street
>
> > On Monday, April 15, 2013 9:27:34 PM UTC-4, Cindy D wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have the St John's Cemetery Book for a lookup. I'm desperate.
>
> > Joseph Sylvia/Silvia/daSilva.  Should have died in 1942 according to 
> > family, born Dec 1875 in St Miguel.
>
> > His wifeMargarita/Margaret/Margarida Silvia/Sylvia  nee Pimentel, died 
> > 1939 born in Flores.
>
> > If not, I had an address to someone I could write to at the cemetery but 
> > have mislaid it, does anyone have that information??
>
> > CindyD
> > Sylvia/Pimentel
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silveira Cardoso - Lajes do Pico (Jews?)

[John Raposo]

Thanks, Richard!

I wonder if anyone has ever see the term "New Christian" on any Azorean vital 
record. I never have (not even in the earliest records from Ribeira Grande) and 
I know no one who has.
I wonder why. We know that Jews in 16th century Azores converted either 
willingly or to avoid the persecutions of the Inquisition. 

It is too bad that the APGHS is now defunct. Luck thing you kept their 
bulletins, though.

John





 From: Richard Francis Pimentel 
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silveira Cardoso - Lajes do Pico (Jews?)
 


I found the write-up in the APGHS Journal from 1994 (Yikes it has been that 
long). Not much to go on in the write-up but food for thought. As I recall Mr. 
Rubin’s talk was much more detailed than the write-up.
 
Rick
 
Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 
 
Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
 
From:azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:22 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silveira Cardoso - Lajes do Pico (Jews?)
 
Well said John, I have noticed some researchers working hard to prove they have 
Jewish roots and for what reason? Several years ago I was at an annual meeting 
of the now defunct APGHS and they had a speaker on this subject. It was so long 
ago I can’t remember the details. I will have to check my journals as I think 
they may have published part of his speech. 
 
Rick
 
Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 
 
Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] (Jews?)

[John Raposo]

Hello Shirley!

Thank you for reminding me that when talking about Azorean-Jewish roots it is 
important to remember that there was a very busy and well established Jewish 
presence in the Azores beginning in the 19th century when Jews from Morocco 
came to the islands. That wave is fairly well documented and tracing back to 
that group can be done. There is also a Jewish Cemetery outside Ponta Delgada, 
and the synagogue there (which I have visited) is under restoration. Some of 
the descendants of those settlers moved away to Lisbon and many others were 
assimilated into Azorean society which I suppose is a euphamism for marrying 
out of the faith and converting to Christianity. The Jewish presence in the 
Azores from that group is much reduced in the Azores today.

But in the beginning phase (let us say from 1444 to 1598) of the settlement of 
the islands, there were Jews that settled in the Azores, a place so raw and 
undeveloped that the struggle for survival would make them stand out less, and 
the struggle of their gentile neighbors would give those neighbors less time to 
pay attention to other people's business. However, once the Inquisition began 
its work, life became much more precarious for the Jews in the Azores. It was 
probably then that many "converted" or practiced their faith clandestinely. 
There are records from the Inquisition documenting the arrest, trial and 
punishments of Jews from the Azores who were sent to Lisbon.

There would not have been any vital records kept by the government. After all, 
vital records were those baptismal, marriage and death records kept by the 
Catholic Church and Jews would not be baptizing their children, marrying in the 
church, nor getting the last rites when they were dying.

I add all this to the conversation to help people understand why tracing 
Azorean ancestry back to the early settlers is very, very difficult. Of course, 
in your case, you descend from the Jews who came from Morocco and you have good 
documentation. 

I hope you will continue to contribute to the discussion.

John





 From: Shirl Sereque 
To: "azores@googlegroups.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]  (Jews?)
 








There is a Jewish cemetery on Terceira that lists all the Jewish people who are 
buried there.   Some are still Jewish.  My brother's DNA had a match with a man 
in Puerto Rico.  The man said his cousin was sure that they were Jewish at one 
time (he was Christian).  I was able to tell him that way-back-then "we" were 
Jewish.  His cousin was happy to know that his hunch was true, for what it 
matters.
- Shirl -



  

This subject continues to pluck on very sensitive strings. The historical 
documentation does not support a significant number of avowed (openly 
practicing, suspected of practicing, or known) Jews in the settlement or 
subsequent population of the Azores. You can look at all the historical 
research all you want, and you will not find evidence for much of a presence of 
Jews in any significant number  in the Azores. That being said, that does not 
mean that there were not Jews who were cryptic, i.e. secret Jews, who did not 
avow or practice their faith openly. We'll never know how many of those there 
might have been. 


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[AZORES-Genealogy] GRACIOSA, Luz

[Eliseu Silva]

Hi!

Does anybody have any information on these:

 

Francisco de Sousa da Silva married Anna Perpétua.

His parents were António de Sousa da Silva and Maria Perpétua and her
parents were José Espínola Picanço and Maria Perpétua Ortins.

 

Questions about José Espínola Picanço and Maria Perpétua Ortins

- were they married in LUZ, GRACIOSA?

- had they two daughters:

- Ana Perpétua (married to Francisco de Sousa da Silva)

- Maria Perpétua (married to António de Sousa da Silva)

 

- is Francisco de Sousa da Silva son of António de Sousa da Silva and Maria
Perpétua? If so he married his aunt?

 

 

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Researching S. Miguel and Graciosa: PACHECO, ARRUDA, SILVA, SOUSA,
BETTENCOURT and MAINLAND, Alentejo

Azores Genealogy Group 

 

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