Re: [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online

[Ian Stirling]

Iain Wallace wrote:

I would love OS maps to be a view in Google Maps. OS maps are far
superior to Google's.


It's not google - but teleatlas, or ...'s mapping at the moment, styled 
by google.


That said - in the US, google have recently gone from purchasing maps, 
to using their own in-house mappery, based on their streetview efforts.


This means they have a _lot_ more freedom on what they can do with the maps.

OS maps at 1:1 or so scale leave lots out - they aren't usable alone.


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Re: [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online

[Iain Wallace]

I would love OS maps to be a view in Google Maps. OS maps are far
superior to Google's.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Ian Stirling
 wrote:
> Brian Butterworth wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online
>>
>> "The online maps would be free to all, including commercial users who,
>> previously, had to acquire expensive and restrictive licences at £5,000 per
>> usage, a fee many entrepreneurs felt was too high."
>>
>> About time too.
>>
>> 
>
> Questions remain.
>
> For example - freely available data that can be used commercially can
> mean a lot of things - some of which are a lot more useful than others.
>
> Is this freely distributable vector data, with a license like cc-by-sa?
>
> Or is it a virtual map, like google, where you only get to see tiles,
> and cannot legally derive data from them, or copy them for use in other
> situations.
>
> The first allows more or less any use.
>
> The second might not allow for example:
> Taking the data, and rendering a cycling map deemphasiseing motorways,
> and emphasising cyclepaths.
>
> Crowdsourcing traffic data, and using it in a free routing application.
>
> Adding housenumbers to a copy of the map.
> ...
>
> The OS already claims that you cannot draw a line on an OS map, without
> that line being derived from the OS map, and requiring a license to show
> that line to others.
>
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Re: [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online

[Ian Stirling]

Brian Butterworth wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online

"The online maps would be free to all, including commercial users who, 
previously, had to acquire expensive and restrictive licences at £5,000 
per usage, a fee many entrepreneurs felt was too high."


About time too.



Questions remain.

For example - freely available data that can be used commercially can
mean a lot of things - some of which are a lot more useful than others.

Is this freely distributable vector data, with a license like cc-by-sa?

Or is it a virtual map, like google, where you only get to see tiles,
and cannot legally derive data from them, or copy them for use in other
situations.

The first allows more or less any use.

The second might not allow for example:
Taking the data, and rendering a cycling map deemphasiseing motorways,
and emphasising cyclepaths.

Crowdsourcing traffic data, and using it in a free routing application.

Adding housenumbers to a copy of the map.
...

The OS already claims that you cannot draw a line on an OS map, without
that line being derived from the OS map, and requiring a license to show
that line to others.

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Re: [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online

[Sam Mbale]

Great!

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On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Brian Butterworth wrote:

> When I was at BT Broadcast we needed the OS data to do proper "radial
> distance" (as the crow would fly if it were made of light) and I think it
> cost us a 10% share of £25m, as I recall.
>
> Now I must get around to using the wikileaks postcode data to create some
> edge-traced KML postcode zone layres to mix up with upmystreet.com's ACORN
> groups...
>
> 2009/11/18 Ian Forrester 
>
>  Wow, I'm shocked.
>>
>> I remember the first day I took over backstage talking to the OS about
>> copying backstage in the OS. They had a mapping API but it was private beta
>> only and I think lacked core functions and data people doing mashups would
>> have liked. Anyway once the door is open, its very hard to close it, after
>> the horse has bolted. Aka this maybe the start of something very big.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Secret[] Private[] Public[x]
>>
>> Ian Forrester
>> Senior Backstage Producer
>>
>> BBC R&D North Lab,
>> 1st Floor Office, OB Base,
>> New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road,
>> Manchester, M60 1SJ
>>
>>
>>  --
>> *From:* owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:
>> owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth
>> *Sent:* 18 November 2009 10:32
>> *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
>> *Subject:* [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go
>> free online
>>
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online
>>
>> "The online maps would be free to all, including commercial users who,
>> previously, had to acquire expensive and restrictive licences at £5,000 per
>> usage, a fee many entrepreneurs felt was too high."
>>
>> About time too.
>> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online>
>> --
>>
>> Brian Butterworth
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online

[Brian Butterworth]

When I was at BT Broadcast we needed the OS data to do proper "radial
distance" (as the crow would fly if it were made of light) and I think it
cost us a 10% share of £25m, as I recall.

Now I must get around to using the wikileaks postcode data to create some
edge-traced KML postcode zone layres to mix up with upmystreet.com's ACORN
groups...

2009/11/18 Ian Forrester 

>  Wow, I'm shocked.
>
> I remember the first day I took over backstage talking to the OS about
> copying backstage in the OS. They had a mapping API but it was private beta
> only and I think lacked core functions and data people doing mashups would
> have liked. Anyway once the door is open, its very hard to close it, after
> the horse has bolted. Aka this maybe the start of something very big.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Secret[] Private[] Public[x]
>
> Ian Forrester
> Senior Backstage Producer
>
> BBC R&D North Lab,
> 1st Floor Office, OB Base,
> New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road,
> Manchester, M60 1SJ
>
>
>  --
> *From:* owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:
> owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth
> *Sent:* 18 November 2009 10:32
> *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> *Subject:* [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go
> free online
>
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online
>
> "The online maps would be free to all, including commercial users who,
> previously, had to acquire expensive and restrictive licences at £5,000 per
> usage, a fee many entrepreneurs felt was too high."
>
> About time too.
> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online>
> --
>
> Brian Butterworth
>
> follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist
> web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover
> advice, since 2002
>
>


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RE: [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online

[Ian Forrester]

Wow, I'm shocked.
 
I remember the first day I took over backstage talking to the OS about copying 
backstage in the OS. They had a mapping API but it was private beta only and I 
think lacked core functions and data people doing mashups would have liked. 
Anyway once the door is open, its very hard to close it, after the horse has 
bolted. Aka this maybe the start of something very big.
 
Cheers,

Secret[] Private[] Public[x]

Ian Forrester
Senior Backstage Producer

BBC R&D North Lab,
1st Floor Office, OB Base,
New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road,
Manchester, M60 1SJ 

 




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[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth
Sent: 18 November 2009 10:32
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go 
free online



http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online 

"The online maps would be free to all, including commercial users who, 
previously, had to acquire expensive and restrictive licences at £5,000 per 
usage, a fee many entrepreneurs felt was too high."


About time too.

<http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online> 
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RE: [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online

[Christopher Woods]

 


http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online


"The online maps would be free to all, including commercial users who,
previously, had to acquire expensive and restrictive licences at £5,000 per
usage, a fee many entrepreneurs felt was too high."


About time too. 

Some interesting discussion of these developments happening on the OSM-talk
list (from what it seems, it's not fully free (as in speech), more like a
subset of the information with the possibility of more being made available
at a later date if the right people prod the OS enough ;) 

[backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online

[Brian Butterworth]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online

"The online maps would be free to all, including commercial users who,
previously, had to acquire expensive and restrictive licences at £5,000 per
usage, a fee many entrepreneurs felt was too high."

About time too.

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Brian Butterworth

follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist
web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover
advice, since 2002