Fw: Questions on posts for our orchard & chook yards
For Gil and Lloyd, I have had this question from a new member, and just looking over the discussion on the eucalyptus and wood, thought you may have some suggestions for this lady, other than using treated pine timber. I thought that cypress pine might be of use, what do you think! Thanks Cheryl. Cheryl Kemp Education and Workshop Coordinator BDFGAA Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322 Home: 02 6657 5306 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.biodynamics.net.au Subject: Questions on posts for our orchard & chook yards > Hi > > I have a couple of questions on poles for our orchard. > > We intend seeking certification in the future but are currently building > the infrastructure on our property. Because of bird and flying fox > problems locally we intend to cover our orchard (we have seen flying foxes > caught in nylon bird netting and won't be using that) and the chook yard > when we eventually build one. > > 1. Will using treated upright posts to minimise rotting and termite damage > prevent us being certified in the future? > 2. If it will, what woods to you suggest to maximise protection against rot > and ants? > > I have heard that things like turpentine are good - but then I don't know > if you can nail into it. > > Would you be able to respond over the next week or so as we need to order > some woods in. > > Regards > > Katherine Buchanan > 02 6219 3024 (w) > 02 6241 3991 (h) > > >
Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] Bush's Attack on Civil Rights: We Must NOT Be GoodGermans
Title: OT:FW: [globalnews] Bush's Attack on Civil Rights: We Must NOT Be Good Germans Where did I hear of these state/police powers before? Oh yes, living here in South Africa in the 1980s, the height of apartheid paranoia ... Some things never change, it seems, they just move somewhere else. much love christo - Original Message - From: Jane Sherry To: BdNow Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: OT:FW: [globalnews] Bush's Attack on Civil Rights: We Must NOT Be GoodGermans From: "Donald Stacey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: URGENT: Overview of Changes to Legal Rights (in the United §tates)Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002Alright, all you folks out there who think this concern about our losingour rights is just the whining of extremists. It is hard to believe thatthere are any such folks given what we see happening every day but sad tosay there are.So here is an article on this very subject from the ASSOCIATED PRESS! It isnot from some obscure independent source. It is from the mainstream media!There is no room to doubt that we have lost essential rights. TheConstitution is being openly violated. Our Bill of Rights has beendecimated.We are in the exact same position as the "good Germans" were during the30's. It was clear that Hitler was destroying their rights but they didnothing. Had they resisted earlier, they could have stopped Hitler's coup.The good Germans far outnumbered the NAZIS just as the good Americans farout number these sick folks who are trying to take over our country!Ahh, you are against terrorism and support the government in its waragainst terrorists? Great. But you must know that YOU can be considered aterrorist and if you are you don't have a prayer of getting out of it. Theywill just pack you away without anyone knowing what happened to you andthat will be it. Cmon. This is not a war against anyone but us. It is allabout getting control over the American people. It should be clear as abell to everyone at this point.If we wait much longer it will be too late to resist. So what do you think?Change the channel to another game or get up and do something?Your choice. And your children and grand children's lives will be immenselyaffected one way or the other.Don StaceyIt will help if you send this message on to as many people as you can.Americans have to wake up before it is too late.---From:http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-sept-11-legal-rights-glance0905sep05.storyOverview of Changes to Legal RightsBy The Associated PressSeptember 5, 2002Some of the fundamental changes to Americans' legal rights by the Bushadministration and the USA Patriot Act following the terror attacks:* FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and politicalinstitutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terrorinvestigation.* FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigrationhearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and hasencouraged bureaucrats to resist public records requests.* FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of anyother records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaedinformation related to a terror investigation.* RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prisonjailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers toAmericans accused of crimes.* FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seizeAmericans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terrorinvestigation.* RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americansindefinitely without a trial.* RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or beingable to confront witnesses against them.See also:"Rage, Rage, Against the Dying Light" -- Civil Liberties Since September 11thhttp://www.truthout.org/docs_02/09.10A.jvb.rage.htm<> <> <> <> <> <> <> --Be the change you want to see in the world.--GandhiYahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service .-- End of Forwarded Message**Scanned by eScan Content-Security and Anti-Virus Software.Visit http://www.mwti.net for more info on eScan and MailScan.Scanned by eScan Content-Security and Anti-Virus Software.Visit http://www.mwti.net for more info on eScan and MailScan.** ** Scanned by eScan Content-Security and Anti-Virus Software. Visit http://www.mwti.net for more info on eScan and MailScan. ***
Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq
Hi! Jane, It is more than the problem of the American People. It is a matter for people in many countries, not the least the UK and Oz, as our leaders are hell bent on doing every bidding of the younger Bush, as we did for the older (NOT Elder) Bush. Our farmers have a long standing and mutually satisfactory trading arrangement with the people of Iraq. The political interests in Iraq have caused the cancellation of half this year's wheat sales. For this year that is not all that bad as the world is hungary for our GM Free products. But our Government is going with the US and Canada and allowing GMs, while we are fighting in local areas for moratoriums. Nearly all of our trading partners are barring GMs, yet they may yet be grown commercially here. I believe the People of the US have an obligation to the rest of us, to get their Government/ Intelligence/ Military/ Commercial Interests under control. This could be as simple as increasing the number of people voting. I am currently emailling every Federal Member of Parliament in OZ, expressing my feelings on the Iraq issue. I note that there has been no mention in our media of an involvement by NZ. I trust that they have the good sense to keep it that way. Gil Jane Sherry wrote: > Woa there, Gil. Do I hear you blaming the American people for this mess?
War of All against All
In Challenge of the Time (I think it was in 1917) RS talked about the War of All Against All. I belive Bush has really created this scenario. The terrorists are everywhere, in the US, all over the world. Bush said"if you are not with us, you must be against us". As other said before , Mulit-national Corps, Big Business and Bush's ties to those organizations is the real power and problem. It all started with Bush won the election illegall Things could get worse..and sure enough...things got worse!
Re: FW: [globalnews] GM Wheat Portends Disaster for Great Plains
Have you considered raising the issue of insurance on GM Crops? I have a ruling from the Insurance Council of Australia to the effect that GMs are an uninsurable risk and they recommend to their members not to carry the risk. This represents more than 90% of Australian coverage. I think there could be a case for a Court Order against some one subjecting others to an uninsured risk. You need to first get a ruling from the national insurance body, then hit the rural media and see where you can push it. Gil Jane Sherry wrote: GM Wheat Portends Disaster for Great Plains By Kari Lydersen, AlterNet September 9, 2002 Todd Leake has been growing hard red spring wheat at his farm in eastern North Dakota for 25 years. The 1,000 acres he plants with hard red spring wheat represents half his total crop. Like most farmers in the area, more than half his crop is exported for sale in markets in Europe, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and other foreign countries. If Monsanto and other biotech companies succeed in their push to allow genetically modified (called GE, GM or GMO) wheat on the market, Leake is afraid he may see his profits based on decades of work go down the drain. There are a variety of reasons that environmentalists, farmers, health activists, "globophobics" and others oppose the development of GE or GM crops. People fear the control it gives Monsanto and other multinational corporations over farmers' livelihoods. Many worry that the health and environmental effects of genetically modified foods are still unknown, and that they could be harmful to our land and our bodies. Farmers worry about cross-contamination from neighbors' GM crops. Biotech companies marketing GM seeds have the right to enter a farmer's field and test for their seed strains. They can fine farmers thousands of dollars if their crops test positive for genetically modified strains that the farmer didn't purchase, even though crops can easily become contaminated by pollen from a neighbor's field. Farmers are also not allowed to save seeds from year to year as they traditionally have done with non-GM crops. When a farmer plants a crop from GM seeds, he is required to purchase a new batch of seeds each year. Again companies can fine farmers huge amounts for this practice. Brothers Paul and John Mayfield, for example, were recently fined $75,000 by Monsanto for replanting 800 bushels of GM soybean seeds they had saved. But on top of all these concerns, there is an even simpler reason to oppose GM wheat, according to many farmers in the Great Plains, where Monsanto is pushing to introduce genetically modified hard red spring wheat for commercial sale. Regardless of whether the potential negative health and environmental effects are real or imagined, much of the world is certain that it doesn't want GM foods. Very certain. And this fact could only have devastating economic implications for American farmers. The European Union and various countries in Asia have all made it clear that they don't want any genetically modified crops, and they test incoming shipments to make sure they don't get any. Given the frequency and ease of cross-pollination, farmers say, virtually the only way for a country to ensure they are not getting any GM foods is to stop buying them from the U.S. all together. "It's basically impossible to segregate it," said Leake, who is a member of the grassroots farmers group the Dakota Resource Council. "The general consensus is that there will be cross-pollination from neighbors' fields. And it can get contaminated not only in the field, but from the seed stock, from handling the equipment that had GM seeds in it, from mixing in the [grain] elevator." A study quoted in the new book, "Fatal Harvest: The Tragedy of Industrial Agriculture," noted that only 20 percent of grain elevators surveyed in the U.S. have separate facilities for GM and non-GM soybeans. So even if a farmer were to avoid the economic pressure to buy GM wheat and to avoid cross-contamination from neighbors, his crops could still get contaminated in the elevator and test positive for genetic modification once they reach the market. Monsanto spokesman Mark Buckingham said the company has made a commitment to develop technologies to prevent contamination and to make sure farmers continue to have choices about what kind of seeds they buy. "We have committed not to introduce [GM wheat] on the market until we have different varieties to offer, so a farmer who wants Roundup Ready wheat can get it and one who wants traditional wheat can get that," said Buckingham. While Buckingham didn't offer a specific answer to fears about contamination from GM crops, farmers say the risk is very much on their minds. "I believe it's inevitable it would escape," said Sarah Vogel, the former commissioner of agriculture in North Dakota (1989 to 1996) and currently a lawyer in private practice. "It's really a bad idea." Right now GM wheat is being grown in rese
Re: OT. test message
Hi! Lloyd, I got it. Gil Lloyd Charles wrote: > Sorry for the inconvenience to the list. I have been part un connected and > need to do this to check out the system > LCharles
urgent: compost tea on vines, AUS
Hi, We are formulating a preliminary research proposal to Grape and Wine Research & Development Council (GWRDC) for looking at standardisation and efficacy of compost tea for disease control with commmercially available compost and grower made compost. I had feedback from organic vege growers that they are interested in that sort of research. but since GWRDC funds grape research only I need feedback from grape growers. By spreading the project over several industries (grape and vege) because of some shared components it wouild reduce industry cost and increase the chance to get the proposal acccepted. Anyone out there in Australia growing grapes who would like to see us doing research on compost tea? Christiane
OT blacklist test
Sorry guys. Just need to test one more time LCharles.
Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq
I always vote and always for the good guys , but they never win. Gore won but he did't get to be the king.. in my walks and talks with the average joe, they think george is like his daddy and they don't want the war. I don't think bush is listening. he needs to go on the frount lines, with the boys he sends. do vote though ,never missed an election.. don't think they are counted though ,just pretend.. but... we do vote each time we buy anything and we are most careful to tread as gently as we know how, and tell others I do understand gil's comment though, when it seems we are a nation of sheep. The sheep do talk among themselves. thats why they callit the silent majority. perhaps it's like a big ship, takes a while to turn around. :)sharon - Original Message - From: "Jane Sherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BdNow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq > Woa there, Gil. Do I hear you blaming the American people for this mess? > Perhaps because you are not here, you do not realize that 1-the common folks > here did NOT elect George Bush. And 2-- we have this illusion of a democracy > here in the US. Really it's an empire ruled by greedy corporate interest and > not a free society at all. That's just one more American mythic export. > Actually it's a myth promoted here at home as well. > > Please stop blaming Americans for their problems. It's sounding a little too > much like George Bush blaming Arabs. If you're upset about this, then stop > bellowing at those of us who live here and are working for change. Join some > anti-war group and put your energy where your typing fingers are. Stop > telling us (especially on THIS list) that we are to blame! > > Peace & Love, > Jane > > From: Gil Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:26:26 +0930 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq > > > >> From a Down Under perspective, we would see US politics, The Military and > > the Intelligence Services as all being puppets of the small number of > > people who command the money in the US and a number of other countries. > > If there was a will to have "Government of the people, by the people" > > voting would be compulsory. I understand that only around a third vote in > > most elections in the US. > > That means that the one who is hell bent on taking you, us and many others > > into a war on behalf of the US oil interests, was supported by something > > around a sixth of those of voting age. Four sixths can only blame them > > selves as they did not choose to vote. > > >
Re: Good sense and bad habits.
Are dogs not a good deterent for deer?? GA Peter Michael Bacchus wrote: > > > broadcasters ensured good crops and we had the best produce at the market. > > Isn't it hard to argue with results? > > > > We had a lot of deer problems this year. Come to find out I thought we had > > a deer pepper in the broadcaster but we didn't. So I don't know where we > > stand there. But our okra was wiped out, half the cukes were eaten, all > the > > beans, even the tomatoes and potatoes were eaten some. They pawed up the > > potatoes and ate them and decimated the beets once they discovered them. > > Still we've had a good year so far. 3 more months to go. I'm amazed people > > would put poison on food. Or gow it with expensive chemicals when no > > chemicals gets good yields of superior quality. Why? It's amazing. > Hi Hugh, > Human beings are beings of habit, like animals, Just look how > hard it is for a smoker to give up or what an alcoholic has to go through > before (s)he sees the light. > Warm regards, > Peter. > > > Best, > > Hugh > > Visit our website at: www.unionag.org > > -- Garuda Biodynamics - for BD Preps, Consultations, Books & Diagrams See our web site @ http://get.to/garuda
Re: a 9-11 reminder...
Title: Re: a 9-11 reminder... Whoohooo! exactly RIGHT-ON! In Love & Light Markess For the Michael Age We must eradicate from the soul All fear and terror of what comes towards Man Out of the future And we must acquire serenity In all feelings and sensations about the future We must look forward With absolute equanimity to everything that may come And we must think only that whatever comes Is given to us by a world directive full of wisdom It is part of what we must learn in this age, Namely to live out of pure trust Without any security in existence. Trust in that ever present help of the spiritual world. Truly, nothing else will do If our courage is not to fail us. And we must seek this awakening within Ourselves Every morning and every evening. Rudolph Steiner, from a lecture given in 1910 --- Thanks Brother!
FW: pray on 9-11
Prayer for a United World By Paramahansa Yogananda May the heads of all countries and races be guided to understand that men of all nations are physically and spiritually one: physically one, because we are the descendants of common parents — the symbolic Adam and Eve; and spiritually one, because we are the immortal children of our Father, bound by eternal links of brotherhood.Let us pray in our hearts for a League of Souls and a United World. Though we may seem divided by race, creed, color, class, and political prejudices, still, as children of the one God we are able in our souls to feel brotherhood and world unity. May we work for the creation of a United World in which every nation will be a useful part, guided by God through man’s enlightened conscience. In our hearts we can all learn to be free from hate and selfishness. Let us pray for harmony among the nations, that they march hand in hand through the gate of a fair new civilization. Prayer for others is one of the highest services we can offer to the world. We invite you to join in spirit the monks and nuns of Self-Realization Fellowship on Wednesday, September 11 at the noon hour (Pacific Daylight Time) as we pray for world peace and for all those who have been affected by the tragedy of 9/11. Even if you could only spend one or two minutes in silent prayer at noon, this would be of tremendous benefit to all. Paramahansa Yogananda has said, "Most men consider the course of events as natural and inevitable. They little know what radical changes are possible through prayer." Sitemap | Home
OT: some free considerations [was RE: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq]
There are two kinds of people, those who do the work and those who take the credit. Try to be in the first group; there is less competition there. -- Indira Gandhi ... and so it has been since the beginning of the Dark Age, the "clever" ones taking credit for the work done by others, feeding on it and at the same destroying by the pollution they cause, by the wars they start, etc... ...and so the lamb (the innocents : the women, the older ones, the children, the poors, the disabled, etc...) has since then been sacrificed. You say these *might* be hard words ? But how much harder is the so called "reality" in which we are held by those whose only wish is that *it* should continue so they might remain in place, that is on top of poverty and misery of others and might even better than escape that for themselves, have certainly a profit and a benefit out it. They aim at the thrill of power to feed their ego. Money is just a mean for making that possible in the world. Lucifer seeks to bloat up his own prestige and Arhimane his own desires. Fur that purpose they seek representation on the material plane. They will let anyone partake to their evil plans for as long as one signs the pact with his own blood (read his own life). Hey what do you think ? They are not kidding. In this strongly hierarchized structure based on *force* and obligation, power is given in abundance to all plus the extra's (money, fulfillement of desires, etc...). Of course all of these things are taken from others but they are only the presents and the means by which *members* are attracted. The *real* purpose is to spread evil, material desires, fear and all other negative emotions that evil beings are feeding upon. It bloats their ego and fulfills their never ending desires for power. Even though such occult organizations exist, their members are just puppets in the same way as all their victims (high positionned politicians, members of powerful world organizations such as banks, and so on...) are. Just puppets ! Puppets do not necessarily have to partake consciously to such an organization. There are countless puppets (victims) that can be very easily *used* through magical powers that members automatically achieve as a reward for their obeissances. They can be remotly guided in order to pump money out of a bank account (eventually the papers will report a fraud but the money can't be found) or be sacrificed (the papers will report on an accident such as a mysterious heart attack). A power behind the power ? The question that some people ask themselves : are there actually beings behind the evil doings of certain people ? Why do you think it's all so mysterious while the facts (the outcomes) are so evident ? There is lack of balance everywhere, fear and terror, illness and death but we wouldn't be able to see where it does come from ? It's because each and everyone who isn't watchfull of his own inner states, isn't able to discriminate between what is good and wrong for himself and thus not yet able to liberate himself from the mental plane partakes to ignorance of one's own reality and true nature and thus to the propagation of wrong doings. Each and everyone is a relay and when there is a need to find one responsible there is never be (a real) one to be found around !. Look at the opposite side (the spiritual one). There we observe the evidence of the wisdom there is in Nature, how marvellous it has evolved to provide for food and shelter for ALL. We (at least in the BD community) are keen to belief at the elementals behind all those forces in Nature. The spiritual hierarchy is based one based on *freedom*. One freely gives his own life at the service of those who are in need. It has a representation at the material plane as well. I identify numerous spiritual beings that have incarnated on earth and have been present at our sides even much more so today. None of the dark counterparts need publicity. As Hugh said it well evil works best from behind the curtain. They saturate the surroundings of the earth with poisonous thoughts and these have tremendous powers. See around yourself. Most people can't escape because they have not the energy. It pervades all living and sentient beings thus our food gets of course contaminated. While we feed on that food we actually loose our energy and physical health. Then it pervades the mental and emotional layers as well ... but you know all that. This battle in the world is actually not ours. Our battlefield is in our heart. Will we discover the hidden forces that maintain us in the ignorance of our true nature and keep us in an ego driven life ? Yes we will, because there is enough "divinity" in us to bring us back home. May we all discover our truth within and forget about the world outside. We can't find peace within and expose ourselves to the fear and agitation outside. So let us pray (for example) : " Loka Samastha Sukhino Bavanthu" Let All Be Happy in All Worlds <==> is the pe
a 9-11 reminder...
For the Michael Age We must eradicate from the soul All fear and terror of what comes towards Man Out of the future And we must acquire serenity In all feelings and sensations about the future We must look forward With absolute equanimity to everything that may come And we must think only that whatever comes Is given to us by a world directive full of wisdom It is part of what we must learn in this age, Namely to live out of pure trust Without any security in existence. Trust in that ever present help of the spiritual world. Truly, nothing else will do If our courage is not to fail us. And we must seek this awakening within Ourselves Every morning and every evening. Rudolph Steiner, from a lecture given in 1910
OT:FW: [globalnews] Bush's Attack on Civil Rights: We Must NOT BeGood Germans
Title: OT:FW: [globalnews] Bush's Attack on Civil Rights: We Must NOT Be Good Germans From: "Donald Stacey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: URGENT: Overview of Changes to Legal Rights (in the United §tates) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 Alright, all you folks out there who think this concern about our losing our rights is just the whining of extremists. It is hard to believe that there are any such folks given what we see happening every day but sad to say there are. So here is an article on this very subject from the ASSOCIATED PRESS! It is not from some obscure independent source. It is from the mainstream media! There is no room to doubt that we have lost essential rights. The Constitution is being openly violated. Our Bill of Rights has been decimated. We are in the exact same position as the "good Germans" were during the 30's. It was clear that Hitler was destroying their rights but they did nothing. Had they resisted earlier, they could have stopped Hitler's coup. The good Germans far outnumbered the NAZIS just as the good Americans far out number these sick folks who are trying to take over our country! Ahh, you are against terrorism and support the government in its war against terrorists? Great. But you must know that YOU can be considered a terrorist and if you are you don't have a prayer of getting out of it. They will just pack you away without anyone knowing what happened to you and that will be it. Cmon. This is not a war against anyone but us. It is all about getting control over the American people. It should be clear as a bell to everyone at this point. If we wait much longer it will be too late to resist. So what do you think? Change the channel to another game or get up and do something? Your choice. And your children and grand children's lives will be immensely affected one way or the other. Don Stacey It will help if you send this message on to as many people as you can. Americans have to wake up before it is too late. --- From: http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-sept-11-legal-rights-gla nce0905sep05.story Overview of Changes to Legal Rights By The Associated Press September 5, 2002 Some of the fundamental changes to Americans' legal rights by the Bush administration and the USA Patriot Act following the terror attacks: * FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigation. * FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records requests. * FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation. * RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes. * FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation. * RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial. * RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them. See also: "Rage, Rage, Against the Dying Light" -- Civil Liberties Since September 11th http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/09.10A.jvb.rage.htm <> <> <> <> <> <> <> -- Be the change you want to see in the world. --Gandhi Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- End of Forwarded Message
FW: [globalnews] Gandhi's Favorite Peace Chant: Walk Alone
Title: FW: [globalnews] Gandhi's Favorite Peace Chant: Walk Alone WALK ALONE (Favourite chant of Mahatma Gandhi) Walk alone. If they answer not to thy call, walk alone; If they are afraid and cower mutely facing the wall, Open thy mind and speak out alone. If they turn away and desert you when crossing the wilderness, Trample the thorns under thy tread, And along the blood-lined track travel alone. If they do not hold up the light when the night is troubled with storm, With the thunder-flame of pain ignite thine own heart, And let it burn alone. RABINDRANATH TAGORE -- Be the change you want to see in the world. --Gandhi Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- End of Forwarded Message
Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq
Woa there, Gil. Do I hear you blaming the American people for this mess? Perhaps because you are not here, you do not realize that 1-the common folks here did NOT elect George Bush. And 2-- we have this illusion of a democracy here in the US. Really it's an empire ruled by greedy corporate interest and not a free society at all. That's just one more American mythic export. Actually it's a myth promoted here at home as well. Please stop blaming Americans for their problems. It's sounding a little too much like George Bush blaming Arabs. If you're upset about this, then stop bellowing at those of us who live here and are working for change. Join some anti-war group and put your energy where your typing fingers are. Stop telling us (especially on THIS list) that we are to blame! Peace & Love, Jane > From: Gil Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:26:26 +0930 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq > >> From a Down Under perspective, we would see US politics, The Military and > the Intelligence Services as all being puppets of the small number of > people who command the money in the US and a number of other countries. > If there was a will to have "Government of the people, by the people" > voting would be compulsory. I understand that only around a third vote in > most elections in the US. > That means that the one who is hell bent on taking you, us and many others > into a war on behalf of the US oil interests, was supported by something > around a sixth of those of voting age. Four sixths can only blame them > selves as they did not choose to vote.
Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq
Allan, I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but you don't have to be paranoid to assume there are always other power(s) behind the political machine. Sometimes I think it is the ambition of the "powers that be" to keep Americans drugged and stupid, looking for the next sensation and/or knee-jerk reaction. The media is just more pap to keep Americans in a frenzy of consumption-- the most important thing to keep our economy "growing". Economists think that constant growth is the main ambition of "markets" because consumerism is not related to the natural world. If it were, industry would be working with nature and not against it. If I were to give a name to the power behind the powers it would be named the Military Industrial Complex. And I would have to include in that complex pharmaceutical & GE industries as well. Having said those cynical things, I still believe in the power of Spirit to guide us through these changing times. If anything else to remember at this time, it would be that we have the power to change the system through small changes within each of us. Keeping the spark of Light alive to share and shine into the world will defeat corrupt politics. It may be messy, but you can't birth and new life tends to be messy. It is up to us to promote Peace & Love above all else. It is an extraordinary privilege to be alive in these changing times. Change is difficult, but I suspect we are all here, incarnated at this time to join in Love, in it's many polyglot and seemingly disparate ways to raise the vibratory rate at which we all vibrate. Blessings on all your good works! In Love & Light, Jane > From: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 08:30:13 -0400 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq > > Jane - Do you think that the political machine presented to the > electorate in the US is the ultimate power in the US, or is there a > 'power' behind this power? -Allan
FW: GlobalNews: $200 Billion Would Cover Water, Sanitation forAll Environmental News Service
$200 Billion Would Cover Water, Sanitation for All Environmental News Service BRUSSELS, Belgium, September 9, 2002 (ENS) - It would cost US$200 billion to supply clean drinking water and sanitation for every village, town and city on the planet, says European Union President Anders Fogh Rasmussen of Denmark. The EU has launched a program to accomplish that goal starting with Africa, eastern Europe, the Caucasus and central Asia through Water for Life partnernship agreements. The EU Water for Life Initiative was formally launched in Johnnesburg at the World Summit on Sustainable Development (WSSD). EU President and Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen introduces the EU Water for Life Initiative at the WSSD (Photo courtesy Danish Presidency) Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who is also President of the European Union, said during the launch at the summit's WaterDome, "We have to take care of our environment. We cannot survive on filthy water. And we cannot fight diseases without proper sanitation." The EU-Africa Water for Life agreement was signed in Johannesburg between Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo and South African Water and Forestry Minister Ronny Kasrils, on behalf of Africa, and Danish Environment Minister Hans Christian Schmidt and President Romano Prodi for the European Union. The agreement with Eastern Europe, the Caucasus and Central Asia will be signed soon. Mediterranean and South American countries have signalled their intention to participate in the near future. The EU already spends close to 1.4 billion euros per year on water resource development and management. The EU will allocate further funds and is calling on other nations and private donors to contribute. Rasmussen said, "I believe we have the moral obligation to do the right thing: to provide clean drinking water and sanitation for every village, town and city on the planet. By doing so, every year we can save many millions of lives and prevent hundreds of millions of people from suffering from serious diseases." Hunkuyi, Nigeria. A young woman pours water hauled up in a bucket from the village well friends wash clothes. (Two photos by Andy Crump courtesy World Health Organization) Water and sanitation are widely seen as key to sustainable development, health, regional stability and economic stability. Currently, over one billion people lack access to safe drinking water, and over 2.4 billion people do not have adequate sanitation. More than 2.2 million people, mostly children, die each year from water related diseases. Rasmussen estimated the cost of supplying clean water and sanitation to all. "It would be a one-off expense of $200 billion," he said, "but it may very well be humanity’s best investment to achieve development and sustainability. We have the technology and talent. It is achievable. We have to act." By comparison, the total expenditure of Denmark on all budget items in the year 2001 was was $51.3 billion. The new EU global initiative promotes cooperation between countries sharing an international river basin in managing their water resources. Europe's experience shows that such cooperation stimulates economic development and regional integration as well as preventing conflict over water. Africa alone has 60 transboundary rivers. European Commission President Romano Prodi said, "The global water crisis is a major threat for our planet and the future of our children. Together with our partners we are fully committed to achieving the WSSD's now-agreed targets to halve the proportion of people without access to safe drinking water and improved sanitation by 2015." The EU is already investing €1.4 billion a year in water related development aid and scientific cooperation. The EU Water Initiative was developed in a multi-stakeholder process and is open to all partners and regions. It aims to improve the efficiency of existing financing mechanisms through better coordination. "We are ready to increase financial resources over the coming years, in response to the priorities developing countries set themselves," said Prodi. EU funding for the water projects is expected to attract additional financial resources. A priority is to increase the transfer of knowledge through institutional capacity building, targeted research and scientific cooperation. Through the initiative the EU will help its partners to develop integrated water resources management plans by 2005, a goal agreed at the summit. The partners will work to achieve a sustainable balance between human water needs and those of the environment. Mwaluphamba, Kenya. Women and young girls gather at a safe water point to collect water built so that women no longer have to visit water sources which may contain parasites. All partners are committed to ensuring that clean water and sanitation are given appropriate priority in future. The creation of the African Ministers Council of Water is a historical step in this respect. Rasm
FW: [globalnews] GM Wheat Portends Disaster for Great Plains
Title: FW: [globalnews] GM Wheat Portends Disaster for Great Plains GM Wheat Portends Disaster for Great Plains By Kari Lydersen, AlterNet September 9, 2002 Todd Leake has been growing hard red spring wheat at his farm in eastern North Dakota for 25 years. The 1,000 acres he plants with hard red spring wheat represents half his total crop. Like most farmers in the area, more than half his crop is exported for sale in markets in Europe, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and other foreign countries. If Monsanto and other biotech companies succeed in their push to allow genetically modified (called GE, GM or GMO) wheat on the market, Leake is afraid he may see his profits based on decades of work go down the drain. There are a variety of reasons that environmentalists, farmers, health activists, "globophobics" and others oppose the development of GE or GM crops. People fear the control it gives Monsanto and other multinational corporations over farmers' livelihoods. Many worry that the health and environmental effects of genetically modified foods are still unknown, and that they could be harmful to our land and our bodies. Farmers worry about cross-contamination from neighbors' GM crops. Biotech companies marketing GM seeds have the right to enter a farmer's field and test for their seed strains. They can fine farmers thousands of dollars if their crops test positive for genetically modified strains that the farmer didn't purchase, even though crops can easily become contaminated by pollen from a neighbor's field. Farmers are also not allowed to save seeds from year to year as they traditionally have done with non-GM crops. When a farmer plants a crop from GM seeds, he is required to purchase a new batch of seeds each year. Again companies can fine farmers huge amounts for this practice. Brothers Paul and John Mayfield, for example, were recently fined $75,000 by Monsanto for replanting 800 bushels of GM soybean seeds they had saved. But on top of all these concerns, there is an even simpler reason to oppose GM wheat, according to many farmers in the Great Plains, where Monsanto is pushing to introduce genetically modified hard red spring wheat for commercial sale. Regardless of whether the potential negative health and environmental effects are real or imagined, much of the world is certain that it doesn't want GM foods. Very certain. And this fact could only have devastating economic implications for American farmers. The European Union and various countries in Asia have all made it clear that they don't want any genetically modified crops, and they test incoming shipments to make sure they don't get any. Given the frequency and ease of cross-pollination, farmers say, virtually the only way for a country to ensure they are not getting any GM foods is to stop buying them from the U.S. all together. "It's basically impossible to segregate it," said Leake, who is a member of the grassroots farmers group the Dakota Resource Council. "The general consensus is that there will be cross-pollination from neighbors' fields. And it can get contaminated not only in the field, but from the seed stock, from handling the equipment that had GM seeds in it, from mixing in the [grain] elevator." A study quoted in the new book, "Fatal Harvest: The Tragedy of Industrial Agriculture," noted that only 20 percent of grain elevators surveyed in the U.S. have separate facilities for GM and non-GM soybeans. So even if a farmer were to avoid the economic pressure to buy GM wheat and to avoid cross-contamination from neighbors, his crops could still get contaminated in the elevator and test positive for genetic modification once they reach the market. Monsanto spokesman Mark Buckingham said the company has made a commitment to develop technologies to prevent contamination and to make sure farmers continue to have choices about what kind of seeds they buy. "We have committed not to introduce [GM wheat] on the market until we have different varieties to offer, so a farmer who wants Roundup Ready wheat can get it and one who wants traditional wheat can get that," said Buckingham. While Buckingham didn't offer a specific answer to fears about contamination from GM crops, farmers say the risk is very much on their minds. "I believe it's inevitable it would escape," said Sarah Vogel, the former commissioner of agriculture in North Dakota (1989 to 1996) and currently a lawyer in private practice. "It's really a bad idea." Right now GM wheat is being grown in research plots in North Dakota with test permits from the federal Animal, Plant and Health Inspection Service (APHIS). The GM wheat furthest along in production is Roundup Ready, meaning it can resist the Roundup herbicide sold by Monsanto, which kills just about all weeds. In the future other types of GM wheat and other crops would likely also be introduced, including plants with "nutriceuticals and pharmaceuticals," meaning with various drugs and
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Monday 9/9/02 The Libra MOON Trines URANUS (in his Trine to SATURN) at 4:25 PM CDT -5GMT. I've read a delightful little story of 2 men walking in the forest when they were finally overtaken by darkness...and could no longer see the path. One of them was a man of Logic...the other...essentially, a man of Tao. A nasty storm came up, and with it was a single bolt of lightning. One man looked up at the sky and wondered. The other looked down at the path and found it completely illuminated. I leave it for you to decide which of the men was which. In any case...expect just such a moment today. http://kristo.com/Archives/2002/September/9902.html -- & then comes the wonderious thunder! L*L Markess
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Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq
- Original Message - From: "Gil Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:56 AM Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq > Allan, > If I can buy in? > >From a Down Under perspective, we would see US politics, The Military and > the Intelligence Services as all being puppets of the small number of > people who command the money in the US and a number of other countries. > If there was a will to have "Government of the people, by the people" > voting would be compulsory. I understand that only around a third vote in > most elections in the US. > That means that the one who is hell bent on taking you, us and many others > into a war on behalf of the US oil interests, was supported by something > around a sixth of those of voting age. Four sixths can only blame them > selves as they did not choose to vote. > > Gil > Thanks Gil, Another down under view. I am very grateful I had the opportunity to visit U.S. and meet some fingers in the soil Americans while I was there. Its quite a different perspective to what one reads in the news papers. Cheers, Peter.
Re: Good sense and bad habits.
> broadcasters ensured good crops and we had the best produce at the market. > Isn't it hard to argue with results? > > We had a lot of deer problems this year. Come to find out I thought we had > a deer pepper in the broadcaster but we didn't. So I don't know where we > stand there. But our okra was wiped out, half the cukes were eaten, all the > beans, even the tomatoes and potatoes were eaten some. They pawed up the > potatoes and ate them and decimated the beets once they discovered them. > Still we've had a good year so far. 3 more months to go. I'm amazed people > would put poison on food. Or gow it with expensive chemicals when no > chemicals gets good yields of superior quality. Why? It's amazing. Hi Hugh, Human beings are beings of habit, like animals, Just look how hard it is for a smoker to give up or what an alcoholic has to go through before (s)he sees the light. Warm regards, Peter. > Best, > Hugh > Visit our website at: www.unionag.org >
