Re: France supports unilateralism, preventive war
* Gautam Mukunda [Thu, 21/04/2005 at 08:27 -0700] > The amazing thing about this article is how _blatant_ > it is. > > http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1559253,00.html I would say I'm disgusted of Chirac if I weren't allready on the verge of sickness for so long. Typical of the janus-like Chirac the-weather-vane, trying to satisfy buddies in heavy industry and arm industry. Well, what can I say, if it isn't already obvious, "normal" people here with a brain and a heart are similarly disgusted. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: attn: wtg, MUD to Holocene Chat
* Trent Shipley [Mon, 17/01/2005 at 11:00 -0700] > On Monday 2005-01-17 03:19, Jean-Marc Chaton wrote: > > * Trent Shipley [Sat, 15/01/2005 at 11:59 -0700] > > > If you are interested please, reply to Brin-L. (Effectively this is a > > > blank-check form of RSVP.) > > > > I'm interested. Provided that there is a way to test it without MS Windows, > > because I have no windows machine here and no intention to buy a windows > > licence :-) > > What do you use? Debian GNU/Linux -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: attn: wtg, MUD to Holocene Chat
* Trent Shipley [Sat, 15/01/2005 at 11:59 -0700] > David Brin has said that the Holocene Chat partners would like to hold a > demo primarilly for members of Brin-L and in particular for those who > participate in the Wednesday chat. > > Furthermore, the Holocene Chat investors would LIKE to host our weekly > chat on HC since it "would be wonderful and really help [them] along". > > http://www.holocenechat.com/ > > == > > If you are interested please, reply to Brin-L. (Effectively this is a > blank-check form of RSVP.) I'm interested. Provided that there is a way to test it without MS Windows, because I have no windows machine here and no intention to buy a windows licence :-) -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Nerd From Hell is back from the dead!
Glad to have you back ! -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Grandbaby!
* Nick Arnett [Mon, 08/11/2004 at 20:17 -0800] > I'm happy to announce that the newest member of our extended family > arrived at 5:50 yesterday. Mom and baby are fine. The little one is > tentatively named Carly Annamarie Valenzuela Félicitations au nouveau grand-père. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Mercies of The Vatican
* Julia Randolph [Tue, 31/08/2004 at 22:46 -0500] > On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:14:20 -0700, Warren Ockrassa > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 31, 2004, at 6:47 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > > > > I imagine that if it were > > > possible to keep cutting with surviving remains we would get other > > > smaller versions of "I". > > > > I'm sure you're correct. This is actually one reason I was so intrigued > > by _Kiln People_ -- a sort of energetic resonance being passed into > > clay, and then "inloaded" (before it had too much time to digress into > > its own consciousness) is an interesting idea. If you haven't read the > > book you might want to. ;) > > > > It's why I don't really buy the idea of someone becoming "immortal" by > > putting his consciousness into a machine. There'd be immediate > > divergence which would only grow over time; in essence you'd have two > > distinct entities in very short order. (Oh, you could kill the body -- > > but that would end the distinct consciousness in the body. I don't > > think there's one "essence" allotted to a person, IOW.) > > Poul Anderson explored this some in his series beginning with _Harvest > the Stars_. I recommend it. (Not just for that, but for other > "divergence" issues.) > Robert Sawyer 's Terminal Experiment also is worth reading exploring the idea. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Fascist Censorship Spreads: Vichy Style
* Gautam Mukunda [Thu, 26/08/2004 at 11:53 -0700]
> --- Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Just wanted to note that, last night, in videotape I
> > saw of Parisians celebrating the anniversary of the
> > emancipation of Paris from Nazi rule, some were
> > waving
> > (large) American flags. I think it's as unfair to
> > assume all the French are as supportive of their
> > current administration as it would be to assume that
> > all Americans support our current one... ;)
>
> Well, just remember that in most French textbooks
> today (according to the Washington Post Book World a
> little while ago) the American role in the liberation
> of France is barely mentioned, so don't count on those
> flags for much longer.
Well it's not statistically valid (only one datapoint), but my daughter
just received her schoolbooks for the coming year. The history book is
quite recent 2003 ISBN 2218741954. In the Chapter on the liberation of
France (my translation):
***
A restored France
{introductory paragraph}
The participation of the French forces in the Liberation and the last
combat against Germany mitigates the humiliation of the defeat of 1940 and
the shame of Collaboration. It makes it possible France to appear among
the winners
...
{The paragraph on the Liberation itself}
The Liberation
The Liberation is greatly the deed of the Allied.
...
{some selfsatisfyng sentences about the Insurection of Paris and the
Marechal Leclerc} These satisfactions shouldn't delude people. In Mai 1945
the French army (which arms were greatly provided by the Allied) counted
only 1.3 million men compared to 12 millions for US and 20 million for the
soviets.
I've scanned the page and will send it to everybody interested. For me it
doesn't look historically unfair. Moreover I was in Cherbourg for the DDay
commemoration and Ihaven't had the feeling that even small children doubted
it was the deed of the Americans.
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Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican
* Gautam Mukunda [Sat, 28/08/2004 at 08:32 -0700] > There absolutely is. How about I hold France > responsible for actively abetting the Sudanese > government in its genocide in Darfur, Not that I'm particulary keen on defend this government, but I'd be thankful if you could elaborate and educate me on this sentence. As always we are the last informed on errors of our own governments. Thanks -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Mercies of The Vatican
* JDG [Wed, 18/08/2004 at 20:48 -0400] > At 04:34 PM 8/18/2004 + Alberto Monteiro wrote: > >JDG wrote: > >> > >> Canon 926 of the Code of Canon Law prescribes, ?In the Eucharistic > >> celebration, in accordancewith the ancient tradition of the Latin Church, > >> the priest is to use unleavened bread wherever he celebrates Mass.? > >> > >No exception? I heard that the RC Church allowed _many_ exceptions > >to the canon in extreme situations, for example, in the case of a bunch > >of people isolated in an island, where one of them could take priest > >functions. > > To the best of my knowledge, that is not true only an ordained priest > is capable of saying Mass in the Catholic Church. > > JDG I think everyone is able to christen everyone if no priest isn't reachable. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Olympics, opening ceremony, opening number
* Jim Burton [Fri, 13/08/2004 at 20:24 -0600] > Just watched from the start to the parade of atheletes. > > Amazing! Uplifting! > > (except for the damn commercials every 5 minutes) How do they play the show with commercials : do They miss some parts parts or do they delay them ? PS: I've seen the whole show without a single break -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ADMIN: Wonky server
* Nick Arnett [Thu, 29/04/2004 at 16:40 -0700] > Jean-Marc Chaton wrote: > >Maybe you could mount a live system cdrom ... > >Then change PATH and other libpaths in /etc/profile. > > Some good ideas there... but one rotten bit of this problem is that > verifying the binaries with rpm requires grep! Maybe I can work around > that... Yes if you mount a live installation then change your paths, the grep that's going to be used won't be the one on your disks but the one on the live install -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ADMIN: Wonky server
* Nick Arnett [Wed, 28/04/2004 at 19:38 -0700] > If anybody here has any insight or suggestions on how to deal with a > system in which grep, chmod and ln are all seg faulting, I'd love to > hear them. Maybe you could mount a live system cdrom (a system fully installed on a cdrom, not an installation cdrom, knoppix comes to mind in the debian wolrd but there must be other live system in redhat world. Then change PATH and other libpaths in /etc/profile. clone your partitions (rsync) on a good disk. check all your installed packages (debsums in the debian world, I don't know the equivalent on fedora), reinstall those found modified. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ADMIN: Re: Notification
* Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [Thu, 29/04/2004 at 14:32 +0200] > Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > > >At 03:05 PM 4/28/04, Prutje wrote: > > > >>___ > >>http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l > > > > > >Spam filters let something through again? > > > >-- Ronn! :) > > That was my e-mail adress that showed up, twice now, but I'm not sure > what glitched it. I most certainly didn't send it. Don't worry it only means that someone with both your address and brin-l address in his address book is contaminated by one of the dozen viruses in the wild this week. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Spanish elections query
* Gautam Mukunda [Wed, 17/03/2004 at 07:15 -0800] > For what it's worth, this is what I'm hearing as well. > _However_, the decision by the newly elected > Socialist PM to do what the terrorists want is handing > them a victory that the Spanish people did not, I > think, wish to give them. I think he's just keeping his campaign promises and is just consistent what he said before, the hypothetical withdrawal is not, in his eyes nor in spanish people eyes, a consequence of Thursday attack. However I agree with you, globally the chain of consequences looks : Terrorist Attack => Withdrawal and that's a Bad Thing (TM). Some reserve, a delay, would have broken the apparent chain of consequences. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Spanish elections query
* Robert J. Chassell [Wed, 17/03/2004 at 13:47 +] ... > Obviously the outcome is some combination of motives. My goal is to > gain some sense of which is more predominant. > > The three explanations that I have heard are: > > 1. That many Spaniards felt that appeasement and surrender is their > safest response to terrorism. This is the goal of terrorism: to > persuade a population that its government cannot protect it, and > that a change is needed. ... > 2. That many Spaniards felt that the US made a military blunder in > invading Iraq. ... > > 3. That many Spaniards felt that their government tried to deceive > the country after the attacks themselves occurred, and continued > this attempt even when contrary evidence mounted. > What is the weight of each motive? I've spoken with two of my friends who have strong links with Spain. They are second generation French (their parents came in the 60's). Their opinion is that's number 3 : Aznar attempt to manipulate the information, that made some people change their mind, but also, and that's the main factor of the poll outcome change, made a lot of people who usually don't vote, effectivelly go to the booth. The legend says that as soon as Friday morning text messages and emails were conveying info that the police had islamic leads but were told to shut up. Aznar has personnly insisted to cite ETA in the UN resolution http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_detail/0,1227,261864-1-9,00.html http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=0AD665D4-0A07-49D9-B295608428E3C8AE Aznar had called newspapers editors : " The head of one newspaper, El Periodico, said Mr Aznar had called editors in the aftermath of last Thursday's attacks to implicate ETA even as evidence emerged suggesting Islamist involvement. "The day of the massacre Aznar told me personally, and the directors of other dailies, that ETA was the perpetrator without the slightest shred of doubt," Antonio Franco said. " http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,8997852,00.html Giving instructions to Ambassadors ... Spanish Foreign Minister Ana Palacio ordered all Spanish ambassadors worldwide to blame ETA for the attacks, Spanish media reported yesterday. The instructions, made in a diplomatic cable sent to all Spanish embassies on Friday, also told the envoys to use any occasion to "confirm ETA's involvement so as to dissipate any sort of doubt", according to the Europa Press wire service and the Cadena Ser radio station, which said they had copies. ... http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/13/1078594620928.html For who knows Spain and spaniards number one (appeasement and surrender) simply doesn't fit. They are used to terrorism, and they never surrender to it, it's a common trait to the wide Spanish society. Number 2 assertion is true (>90% of the population think that) But I don't think it's the cause of the election result change. It's not a new set set of mind. The idea didn't pop up on 11-M. It would be interesting if Spanish people on the list could comment. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Gas Prices
4.73 USD/USGallon here (France) * Deborah Harrell [Sat, 06/03/2004 at 17:02 -0800] > Debbi > whose next car will be a hybrid fer sure -- Jean-Marc Who's looking for a used toyota prius ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Bonne Année à vous tous Was: Happy New Year, All
Puisse cette nouvelle année vous aporter bonheur et réalisation de vos voeux. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: More Teenagers Say No to Sex, but Experts Aren't Sure Why
* Alberto Monteiro [Sat, 27/12/2003 at 21:46 +] > Where are condoms sold in your country? France: - In hypermarkets and supermarkets along with health products (Vitamin C etc). That the easy way for teenagers - Automatic distributors in cafés toilets, night clubs, petrol stations, outside chemist's shop. These are more expensive something like 1 EUR the 3. But convenient in case of "emergency" - At the chemist's They can have them freely (in the gratis meaning) in AIDS consulting centers, high school, college infirmaries and some associations, but that implies talking to an adult. Spain: The one time I had to buy some (forgotten pill on holidays), I found them in a supermarket. UK: never had to buy some there -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Sims
* Alberto Monteiro [Sat, 27/12/2003 at 21:43 +] > Does anyone know how to remove the c*nsorship in The Sims? I'think there are addons or patches around for that on internet. > Also, does anyone know how to remove the references to > astr*logy in The Sims? dunno about that > > These are the two most objectionable things that I found > out about this game. >I don't know how the idiots that > classify games per age made it for 16 years old or older. My 3 daughters have played with it. The Sims knowhow that has has been transmitted the fastest between the 3 is 'how to make babies' > > Alberto Monteiro > > ___ > http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Science Fiction In Music
* Jean-Marc Chaton [Sat, 27/12/2003 at 22:31 +0100] > * Robert Seeberger [Mon, 22/12/2003 at 19:18 -0600] > > Something I have been thinking about a lot lately is music with Science > > Fictional and Fantasmal themes. > > I'm thinking of the rockopera Starmania I've just come across it's named Tycoon in its English version. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Science Fiction In Music
* Robert Seeberger [Mon, 22/12/2003 at 19:18 -0600] > Something I have been thinking about a lot lately is music with Science > Fictional and Fantasmal themes. I'm thinking of the rockopera Starmania -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Hybrib vehicules was: Efficient bus
* Doug Pensinger [Sat, 27/12/2003 at 11:34 -0800] > It makes so much sense, too, ya gotta wonder why it hasn't been done > before. Is the necessary technology state of the art? I don't understand your question. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Efficient bus
* William T Goodall [Sat, 27/12/2003 at 16:47 +] > http://www.rnw.nl/science/html/031215wheel.html Yeah that's very interesting but not new, It's basicaly a bus version of an hybrid car like the Prius sold by Toyota since 97 (BTW, it's definitely my next car) the extra plus of that bus is the space saving location of the electrical engine : in the wheels. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Social values Survey
* Robert Seeberger [Tue, 23/12/2003 at 12:13 -0600] > http://makeashorterlink.com/?C5CB22435 > > > I fall into the Idealism and Autonomy quadrant on the graph. Me too x=1.34 y=-1.04 I expected to be closer to the y=0 line but the given description is ok for how I see myself >Fundamental Motivations and Values > >* Personal Control >* Question Authority >* Global Consciousness >* Adaptability to Complexity >* Flexible Families ^^ That one I don't fully agree or it's my understanding of 'flexible' that is flawed. I would have said Comitted and Stable Families (but Flexible on the form taken) > > > >Key Characteristics > >* Self-reliant and in control of their own destiny >* Idealistic and open-minded >* Rejecting out-dated norms and institutions > -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
[SCOUTED] Dozen Killed On Queen Mary 2
We're all safe
A crowded gangway leading from the dock to the Queen Mary 2 \x{2014} the
world's largest passenger ship \x{2014} collapsed Saturday, killing 12
people and injuring 32 others, fire officials said.
Ten of the injured were in serious condition, according to the
Operational Center Fire and Rescue Center.
The victims were family members of workers given permission to visit the
vessel, local officials said. France-Info radio reported that children
were among the victims.
Dozens of people were on the gangway to access the Queen Mary 2 when the
passageway collapsed, according to the rescue workers.
It was not immediately known why the passage to the boat gave way.
The Queen Mary 2 is currently in dry dock at this Atlantic coastal
shipyard, where it remains under construction. Once completed, it will
feature a planetarium, 22 elevators and the world's largest floating
library.
The 150,000-ton trans-Atlantic liner recently finished its second test
run. The first was in September.
Families of workers were given permission to visit the vessel on
Saturday, and a crowd was on the gangway to access the QM2 when the
passageway collapsed, said Herve Malherbe, chief aid at the
Loire-Atlantic prefecture.
Up to 90 firefighters and rescue workers rushed to the scene of the
accident, setting up medical units to treat the injured.
Once completed, the $800 million QM2 \x{2014} the world's longest,
tallest and most expensive passenger ship \x{2014} will join an
illustrious list of massive passenger ships.
The Queen Elizabeth 2 \x{2014} whose trans-Atlantic route will be taken
over by the new ship in April \x{2014} was built in 1967; the original
Queen Mary was launched in 1934 and is now a hotel in Long Beach,
California.
In sheer size, the QM2 tops them all. It's 377 yards long and 79 yards
high \x{2014} or about the height of a 21-story building. It will weigh
more than twice the QE2's 70,000 tons.
Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd.'s Voyager-class ships, about 138,000 tons,
are currently the largest cruise ships in service.
The ship is being built by Alstom Marine's Chantiers de l'Atlantique for
the British ship operator Cunard Line, which is owned by Carnival Corp.
Some 800 companies, mostly French, have been involved in the
construction.
The QM2 has generated a lot of interest, with Chantiers de l'Atlantique
saying it had received at least 150,000 letters from people asking to
come aboard for a look.
--
Jean-Marc
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Re: It's a boy!
* Matt Grimaldi [Thu, 30/10/2003 at 04:54 -0800] > http://users.adelphia.net/~matzebrei/ looks slashdotted right now (Data transfer error: Connection timed out) -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: It's a boy!
* Matt Grimaldi [Thu, 30/10/2003 at 04:54 -0800] > > Andrew Michael Grimaldi, > > Born 23-Oct-2003 at 6:52 p.m. > 10 lb., 8 oz. 20.5 inches Félicitations à toi et à la maman, et bienvenue à Andrew à qui nous souhaitons un retour rapide à la maison. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Baby (and mommy) update
* Julia Thompson [Tue, 28/10/2003 at 20:08 -0600] ... > And my abdominal muscles separated down the middle, and it may be as > long as a year before they're totally joined up again; exercise will > help with that. ... > (The skin > sagging doesn't bother me, the separated muscles does.) ... I would not worry about that, I'm not a doctor but I can just tell about my wife example. After the last pregnancy, I was able to put my hand _flat_ between her two main abds. It took one year for her muscles to remotely look normal and two years to really be normal. Now, I envy her abdominals. when she exercices she's really got a six-pack. Here is one of last summer pictures http://www.famille-chaton.net/photos/ete2003/pic188-21-0.html -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: When I Was Your Age... (was Re: RE: Brin: rejuveniles)
* Dan Minette [Tue, 07/10/2003 at 17:02 -0500] > OK, since we're playing the oldest stuff game here. What is the oldest > computer everyone here has worked on? I think mine (which I've mentioned > before) is the oldest, but I'd be curious to see who might beat me. :-) Nothing exceptionnal in absolute value on my side, but I swear I was 'bleeding edge' : The first programmable thing my fingers grabbed (and that I owned) was a TI57 circa 1976, I remember passionate conversations with my math teacher about the compared virtues of such or such GCD or HCF algorithm. The first 'real' computer I used was a Logabax LX-500 near 1979, you've probably never heard of this computer, it was a Z80 based French computer, at the time we had 8 of them for the whole high school (+2000 students). Needless to say, at the time nobody could privateley own a computer here (at least I knew nobody in my circles). The first computer I owned was a Atari1040 in 1988 I think. PS: a link I found on the LX-500 http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=881 -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Twins!
* Julia Thompson [Mon, 29/09/2003 at 15:35 -0500] > Hey, folks, I'm home. > > Details on babies: > > Catherine Karling Thompson > born 11:32 AM on 9/26/03 > 6 lbs. 7.5 oz. > 19" long > > Thomas James Thompson > born 12:00 Noon on 9/26/03 > 8 lbs. 1.8 oz. > 19 3/4" long > whaou !! un poids combiné de 6.6 kg, impressionnant ! Bienvenue donc, à Catherine et à Thomas sur notre grand vaisseau spatial, et félicitations aux parents, ma femme se joint à moi pour vous souhaiter bon courage. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New mini cooper
* Chad Cooper [Mon, 22/09/2003 at 12:06 -0700] > We took delivery of a new MINI Cooper around 3:30 pm Tuesday. > For those interested in the specs: > MINI Cooper (Baby body style) > Name: Collin Ridley Cooper > Weight: 9 lb 3 oz. > Length: 21.5 in. > APGAR: 7 & 9 > Fingers: 10 > Toes: 10 > (no additional features added from manufacturer from stock) > MSRP: 0 (not including value-added hospital markup, taxes, insurance and > licensing) I wish the new owners a rapid improvement in mini cooper autonomy and a quick horn fix. Félicitations !! (Pourquoi ai-je l'impression de me répéter ?) -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Ti-Pou is now 22 and 1/2 hours old
* Jean-Louis Couturier [Thu, 18/09/2003 at 14:54 -0400] > His full name is Léopold Claude Michel Couturier-Otis. We'll call him > Léo. He weighs 9 pounds and measures 20 3/4 inches. That's 4105 grams and > 53 cm. He was born yesterday, September 17th at 4:15 PM. > > His mother is still at the hospital and is doing well. His father is at > work and can't wait to see him. Félicitations aux parents et bienvenue au pt'it Léo Super chouette nouvelle ! -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: Linux over Windows XP
* Erik Reuter [Tue, 16/09/2003 at 12:54 -0400] > For ease of install, most people like Mandrake better than Red Hat, but > the difference is slight. I second that, I advice Mandrake for a beginner > > I use Debian, but that is by no means easy to install for a beginner. > I use Debian too, I've been administrating Linux servers since 1994, I've some machines at work that hasn't been reinstalled since 1998. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: Linux over Windows XP
* Alberto Monteiro [Tue, 16/09/2003 at 13:59 -] > How can I install Linux if my computer is infected by > a virus called "Windows XP"? > > THe procedure aborted when the partition thing > didn't recognize the HD It may be that you don't have free room on your HD. Make sure you have free room on the HD (i.e. the windows partition(s) doesn't take all the disk). If not : - buy another HD to install linux on it - or reduce the windows partition (more tricky) I supposed you want to keep Windows on the computer ? -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Holidays: the results
* Jean-Marc Chaton [Thu, 03/07/2003 at 21:31 +0200] > > I'm going on long holidays tomorrow, 3 weeks in Spain there : > http://www.campingazul.com/angles.htm > > then 1 week in the southwest of France there > http://www.yellohvillage-holidays.com/yelloh/YV7/ Hi all, Those interested in seeing a froggy family on vac can go there http://www.famille-chaton.net/photos/ete2003/ -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Ti-Pou was FW: How do we read?
* Jean-Louis Couturier [Fri, 12/09/2003 at 16:32 -0400] > Ti-Pou day - 4 and nervous as hell Nos pensées d'outre-Atlantique vous accompagnent. And for Julia as well :-) -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: I've done it again!
* Adam C. Lipscomb [Tue, 12/08/2003 at 13:04 -0500] > Reproduced, that is. > > Alexander Norman Lipscomb (Alec) was born at 7:46 AM on Monday, August > 11th. He weighed 9 lbs, 8 oz, and his mother is incredibly happy that > someone else will be carrying him for the next while. (belated :-) Félicitations!!! and thank you Matt for your congrats that have put the thread in view :-) -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Holidays
I'm going on long holidays tomorrow, 3 weeks in Spain there : http://www.campingazul.com/angles.htm then 1 week in the southwest of France there http://www.yellohvillage-holidays.com/yelloh/YV7/ Yes, I know how lucky I am :-) see you in August -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism
* John D. Giorgis [Sat, 21/06/2003 at 22:10 -0400] > Can somebody help me out here? > > It seems that there are two basic types of people, albeit with some > gradations, and hence, two types of Brin-L'ers. These people are > essentially those who believe in God, and those who do not. I don't think it's so binary. Consider the meta level and you'll find people like me that have ask themself but don't know the answer of God existence question and frankly don't care. Or more specificly wouldn't care if the question hadn't had that tremendous influence in _human_ affairs, in past and present, in small (like this list) and large scale. -- Agnostic with Atheist Tendency Maru Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Are you a model citizen?
* Gary Nunn [Wed, 04/06/2003 at 22:13 -0400] > > > Find out just how much of a model citizen you are A word of > caution... remember that this is a British website and them British tend > to do things a bit different :-) > Years in prison: 8.5 Potential fine: £7500 But most of the illegal stuff was done about 25 years ago when I was in my teens. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Geek Test
* Ray Ludenia [Thu, 29/05/2003 at 00:31 +1000] > Horn, John wrote: > > >> The Geek Test: http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html > > > I'm not as of a geek as I thought: 29.19% - total geek. > > Bit more of a geek than I thought (ticked all possibly applicable boxes). > 28.79684^&*($#% bloody French keyboard! Total-Geek. Non French using French kbd are either compelled by force or masochist :-) Real geekness is to use dvorak keyboard. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Geek Test
* Jon Gabriel [Tue, 27/05/2003 at 23:30 -0400] > The Geek Test: http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html > > I ranked: > 44.3787% - Major Geek 25.44379% - Total Geek And I thought I was weird ... -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
* Julia Thompson [Tue, 27/05/2003 at 12:51 -0500] > Both twin girls are fine so far. Cool ! > > Their parents, on the other hand, are in a bit of shock at the news. > Relax, I'm sure you'll make it marvelously ! -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Verne was Re: Serendipity
* Han Tacoma [Sat, 05/04/2003 at 22:17 -0500] > My experience as a Science Fiction reader starts with Jules > Verne when I was a kid. I think me too, although my memory isn't clear so far back in the past. The house where he was born is about 60 km (40 miles) from here and is now a 'Jules Verne museum'. My favorite is still « L'Île mystérieuse » (Mysterious Island ?) I remember at the time having liked « L'Île à hélices » (The Island with screws ?) and « Robur le conquerant » (Robur the conqueror) although I'll need to read them again to see if I still like them. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Scouted: Tornadoes to drop 'concrete bombs'
That looks very bright and sensible. /me applauses Tornadoes to drop 'concrete bombs' By Mark Nicholls With the RAF at the Ali Al Salem airbase in northern Kuwait Tornado jets are poised to use yet another different weapon in the war against Iraq ... concrete bombs. The jets, normally based at RAF Marham in Norfolk, have already used high-tech weaponry such as the "bunker busting" cruise missile Storm Shadow, which cost £750,000 apiece and can pierce several feet of concrete. But now the crews operating over Iraq from the Ali Al Salem airbase in northern Kuwait are about to go to the opposite extreme and use "inert bombs". These are basically blocks of concrete shaped as bombs and painted blue to identify them as non-explosive if they are discovered still intact after the war. Great accuracy But they will be laser-guided 1,000lb blocks of concrete, capable of destroying a tank or artillery piece, but without causing a devastating explosion that would put civilians at risk and shatter surrounding buildings. Tornado Detachment commander, Group Captain Simon Dobb, said: "We have the option of using these inert bombs. "They still have the guidance and steering methods of other high explosive weapons but the risk of causing civilian casualties is greatly reduced." There is the impact, without a massive explosive effect. Group Captain Simon Dobb The weapons, dropped from height and with great accuracy, can destroy a tank without affecting surrounding buildings. The weapon is on standby if Saddam Hussein moves his tanks and artillery pieces further into Baghdad, hiding them in areas of dense population. It means the Tornados can still destroy them but leave civilian buildings intact and the population unscathed. He said: "There is the impact, without a massive explosive effect. "It's all about proportionality." Coloured blue The Tornado already has a wide arsenal: from air-to-air Sidewinder missiles; laser- and GPS-guided Paveway bombs; dumb bombs; Storm Shadow and ALARM anti-radiation missiles. It has dropped controversial cluster bombs during this war, though only on specific targets of troops concentrations and military vehicles. The Tornados have continued to fly missions offering close air support to ground forces as they advance on Baghdad and are now ready to play a role if the war moves into the streets of the Iraqi capital. Plans are already in hand for post-war Iraq, though the role of the Tornados in that is still undecided. They may have a presence during the reconstruction of Iraq, maintaining security in Iraqi air space, particularly as humanitarian aid is flown in. They may maintain a presence in Iraq until the country achieves a stability and has a stable government, and is able to defend its territorial boundaries by itself. There has been speculation the Tornados may move to bases within Iraq, though that is unlikely at this stage. But that may change in coming weeks or months. This is pooled copy from Mark Nicholls, of the Eastern Daily Press, with the RAF at the Ali Al Salem airbase in northern Kuwait. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/2919249.stm Published: 2003/04/04 22:05:54 © BBC MMIII -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Scouted: Prime number breakthrough
Prime number breakthrough: A pair of mathematicians has made a breakthrough in understanding so-called prime numbers, numbers that can only be divided by themselves and one. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2911945.stm - Looks like the crypto we currently use is at risk. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New Computer But Still Not Happy
* J. van Baardwijk [Wed, 02/04/2003 at 22:58 +0200] > At 17:29 02-04-03 +0100, William Goodall wrote: > > >>It's the money, really. The 256/64 Kb package is considerably cheaper > >>than cable, and other packages (512/256 and better) are all more > >>expensive than cable. Cable costs EUR 49.95 per month, which I find to be > >>a bit (too) much for what I use Internet for (I'll be paying EUR 27.95 > >>per month for ADSL in the first year, EUR 34.95 after that). > > > >I pay (about) 36 (£24.99) per month for 512/256 ADSL > > Over here that would cost EUR 50 to 55 per month. I recently changed from Wanadoo 43 EUR/Month to Free 30 EUR/M for a 512/128 -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .
* Gautam Mukunda [Tue, 01/04/2003 at 13:49 -0800] > > Note, for example, two simple actions by France: > 1. They publicly threatened the Eastern European > candidate countries with blackballing from EU > membership for supporting the US and > 2. It is now revealed that they did the same to > Turkey, which was one of the major reasons we did not > get Turkish support, something which will undoubtedly > cost the lives of dozens of Americans and thousands of > Iraqis. I'm interested in links to support your point 2. To my knowledge France hasn't got a particular link or lever with Turkey. Germany has, though, due to historial, sociological (large part of its population is Turkish) , and economical. But I can't stop thinking Turkey, at least those whose got the last word in Turkey, i.e. high rank military, has and always had their own agenda in the region. > > What the French government, in its quest to attack the > United States in this affair, didn't realize is that > American politics are not like French politics. What > the people think in the United States has a real > influence on foreign policy. And the people, right > now, are pissed at France. That's not going to go > away. An entire generation of politically active > Americans who came of age during this crisis are going > to think of France as an enemy of the United States. > That is damage that may never be healed. Do they consider Germany as an enemy ? -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .
* Bryon Daly [Tue, 01/04/2003 at 18:14 -0500] > Jean-Marc Chaton wrote: > > > * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mon, 31/03/2003 at 21:44 -0500] > > > It is true that the indefensible position of the French (no war > > > ever no matter what) made things more difficult. > > > > It was not the position of France. It was 'no war as long as > > progresses were made' > > Two problems with that: 1) Without firm criteria for "progress", > *anything* can be stretched to be defined as progress, and Iraq could > maintain its passive-aggressive blocking of the inspections forever. > > 2) When the US/Britain tried to create a verfiable set of tests for > compliance, France rejected them outright, immediately, even before > Iraq did, because they had a specified consequence for failure. > France then said they would veto any UN measure that had war as a > consequence or set a deadline. > > So, as you say, France's position is 'no war as long as progresses > were made'. But France refused to even set an ultimatum or deadline > or condone any talk of war, so we can translate this to "no deadlines, > no consequences, no war as long as progress is made". Combine that > with there being no firm definition of " progress", and a refusal to > define a set of clear tests of compliance, and France's stance then > effectively becomes "no war no matter what". I understand your position but I've not seen the events that way. I think France, as the broad majority of the council, was agreeing with the necessity of a verifiable set of compliance tests, with the presence of a deadline (which length was under discussion) and the presence of the threat of military action. This was a considerable step forward. The thing France didn't want was the automaticity of the start of a war as a mere consequence of a grammatical conjunction. France wanted the security council, i.e. humans beeings to convene formally and declare the start of military action. This position was put forward by Chile _after_ the UK proposal see : http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2384624 But the United States rejected it outright, immediately, even before Iraq did. I still think it was a valid point of view, even if one disagrees, I mean not indefensible. Are you sure you don't confuse yourself with Germany position (no war no matter what) ? -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mon, 31/03/2003 at 21:44 -0500] > It is true that the indefensible position > of the French (no war ever no matter what) made things more difficult. It was not the position of France. It was 'no war as long as progresses were made' -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .
* Kevin Tarr [Tue, 01/04/2003 at 06:20 -0500] ... > From what I've read, the US was only interested in having both countries > fight, neither of them gaining the upper hand. This does not mean the US > encouraged Iraq to attack or supplied either side with weapons. ... I've read that WP article that doesn't say the same thing. U.S. Had Key Role in Iraq Buildup http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52241-2002Dec29.html or Rumsfeld key player in Iraq http://www.msnbc.com/news/795649.asp The Saddam in Rumsfeld's Closet http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0802-01.htm http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld By the way in the 70's Chirac did the same with nuclear technology. Not one country selling arms is a white goose in the current widthspread of arm in the world. Hence my deep distrust of most political actors. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Frex
* Julia Thompson [Sun, 30/03/2003 at 11:33 -0600] > Jean-Marc Chaton wrote: > > > > * Julia Thompson [Sat, 29/03/2003 at 12:58 -0600] > > > Frex, > > > > Sorry to look dumb here. I was wondering what "frex" meant. In > > formulating the question, I had the guess it may be 'for example'. Is > > that right ? > > Yes. And you don't look dumb for asking, especially since your guess was > right on. :) Is it brin-l only as I don't recall seeing it elsewhere or something widthspreading at the momment ? -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Frex
* Julia Thompson [Sat, 29/03/2003 at 12:58 -0600] > Frex, Sorry to look dumb here. I was wondering what "frex" meant. In formulating the question, I had the guess it may be 'for example'. Is that right ? -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Relief
* Reggie Bautista [Tue, 25/03/2003 at 18:25 -0600] > Jean-Marc wrote: > >As for talking of relief, I've spent this morning the five worst minutes > >of my life between the time I've received a phone call telling me that > >my daughter had been knocked down by a car in her way to school and the > >time I arrived on scene seeing that she had nothing life threatening. > >Then another 2 hours of mild anxiety before knowing she's got nothing > >that two weeks of rest cure. > > Now that it's been almost two weeks, is everything still OK with your > daughter? Yes, She's right now sitting in front of me, playing RayManII. Last tests didn't show anything at her neck. She's still sleeping with a collar til the end of the week. Then we'll show her to the osteopath (spelling ?). But to repeat, she's ok, I'm confident they'll be no sequel. Thank for caring, -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Books on Red Hat Linux 7.2
* Nick Arnett [Fri, 21/03/2003 at 07:56 -0800] > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of J. van Baardwijk > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:27 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Books on Red Hat Linux 7.2 > > > > > > I am considering buying two books on Red Hat Linux 7.2: > > > Although I eagerly buy reference books for languages, I've never gotten > enough out of any operating system book to feel like it was worth buying. > If you have a reasonably fast, reliable Internet connection (that's > available when your Linux box isn't working!), you'll find a lot more useful > problem-solving information on the net than you'll get from a book. > > The one exception I'd make is some kind of inexpensive basic reference to > Linux commands, so that you can quickly look up syntax. I second that. You'll find more useful distribution related information online. If you absolutely want to buy reference books, buy some of more general kind like : Unix Power Tools, 3rd edition Running Linux, 4th edition from O'Reilly -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Something wonderful happened today...
* Matthew and Julie Bos [Thu, 20/03/2003 at 22:12 -0500] > Here name is: > > Anneka Marie Bos Félicitations et bienvenue sur Terre à Anneka -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: .... and now for something completely different
* S.V. van Baardwijk-Holten [Wed, 19/03/2003 at 21:41 +0100] > Btw, anybody got a suggestion for a large ornamental plant? (around 1 to > 1.5 m in hight would be nice) I'm building one very big plant container > (using 4 palettes for sides) and I need something to display in it. The > plant should be able to tolerate sun/drought and to some extent frost with > on my account minimum effort for frost protection. I'm thinking perhaps a > small fruit tree/bush but those are a lot of work and need lots of water. > Perhaps something with palm type leaves? Hortensias are quite resistant and dispalys enormous purple to rose flowers depending on the soil acidity. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Involvement
* Erik Reuter [Tue, 18/03/2003 at 08:09 -0500] > I asked for a few examples to back up your point. Perhaps I > misunderstood your point? If you agree with me that attacking terrorists > may create new terrorists, but overall it will create FEWER terrorists > than are eliminated, thus decreasing the total amount of terrorist > activity, then we don't really have anything to argue about. I completely agree with the above statement. However, to take a fictive example, if, in the process of eliminating a terrorist, we also kill (by mistake, misuse of power, etc) his 2 y.o. daughter in front of his 8 y.o. son. I firmly believe that whatever evil bastard was his father, whatever unjustified cause he was fighting for, the son will never rest until retaliation. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Involvement
* Erik Reuter [Tue, 18/03/2003 at 06:46 -0500] > On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 10:40:41PM -0800, Deborah Harrell wrote: > > Umm, because this is a discussion list? > > Ummm, but he wouldn't discuss it. It's not that Erik. It's just that for the question we discussed, the only thing I had was an individual opinion, based on what I gathered from discussion with some friends of jew and muslim origin, that retaliation is deeply ingrained and even codified in middle east people culture. I thought (and you can blame my lack of mastering of your language in not understanding you) that you were asking for something much more more elaborate, with figures, numbers, statistics, with beautiful sentences. Something I'm not able to produce. I'm sorry if I have hurt you in declining. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Iran's Nuclear Threat
* Erik Reuter [Mon, 17/03/2003 at 12:23 -0500] > On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 06:20:33PM +0100, Jean-Marc Chaton wrote: > > I rephrase it : in the event of a war terrorism will increase > > Long term, I think you're wrong. We will never be able to prove it > either way, but I think the onus is on you to prove your point, since > you are arguing that the direct approach, i.e., attack terrorists and > criminals, will actually produce more, rather than less, terrorists. I think we're slipping here, my main point was, I quote : "on an other hand any innocent live taken in the process will refuel the spiral of revenge an retaliation that is the ground for terrorism." I'm not arguing and have never argued against direct attack on terrorists. But don't be afraid, I'm not going to say I've been offended and require public apology > > Would you care to give examples of wars of liberation which have > produced greater terrorist activity for longer than a year or two after > the war? I was just expriming an opinion, I'm not fighting beak and nails for others to share the same opinion or to make the point. I don't have the intellectual abilities for that. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Iran's Nuclear Threat
* Erik Reuter [Mon, 17/03/2003 at 06:19 -0500] > On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 08:38:13AM +0100, Jean-Marc Chaton wrote: > > > on an other hand any innocent live taken in the process will refuel > > the spiral of revenge an retaliation that is the ground for terrorism. > > There have been many, many innocent people killed in wars over the > years, and I don't see any direct evidence of an increase in terrorism > as a result. Look at WW2, for example. Other time, other place, other culture > > > Future will tell us but I fear in the event of a war, terrorism would > > actually increase. > > I don't think fear is the best thing on which to base a decision. > I rephrase it : in the event of a war terrorism will increase -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Languages interbreeding
* Julia Thompson [Sun, 16/03/2003 at 21:58 -0600]
> Erik Reuter wrote:
>
> > At the risk of ruining it, can you explain the joke? I know that "le" is
> > and article for "the", but what is "le weekend"? I thought the French
> > worked short weeks compared to Americans, so they would have at least as
> > long a weekend as Americans.
>
> The French adopted the term "le weekend" from the American, and there are
> enough people trying to protect the language and keep it pure that they were
> upset by it. Many words that just get co-opted and whatever-ized in other
> languages are given their own French version that doesn't resemble anyone
> else's (but if you know enough French, they make sense on some level, at
> least). "Le weekend" is the pretty much the only bit of purely borrowed
> vocabulary I remember from 3 semesters of college French. ("Jeep" might
> have been a vocabulary word as well, but I don't put brand names on the same
> footing as generic nouns, for example.)
There is a large subset of French words that comes from foreign
languages. Some since centuries. Off the top of my head and only From
English :
Redingotte <- riding coat , the word coat coming on its part from old
French cotte, the piece of cloth for the upper body.
Biftek <- beef steak
Rosbif <- roast beef
Pullover <- jumper
other are more recent :
Parking <- parking lot
Camping car <- camper van (I think US people says RV)
and so on.
Personnaly I've nothing against adding new terms in the french glossary,
provided they add a new meaning not carried by an existent word and that
we slowy modify its spelling to satisfy the prononciation rules.
Forbidding this kind of evolution that exists in every language (English
also have a lot of French words) is a definite prrof of brain sclerosis.
--
Jean-Marc
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Re: Iran's Nuclear Threat
* Erik Reuter [Wed, 12/03/2003 at 21:25 -0500] > On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 09:24:36PM -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote: > > > When you use force to combat terrorism, it should go hand in hand with > > a reasonable effort to understand and ameliorate the root cause of the > > problem. > > > > Maybe there is no way to do that here, I don't know, but I'm sure that > > I haven't seen much of an effort. > > I don't think you can do much until after the corrupt dictators and > monarchs have been replaced with democracies. I think some of the root > causes are false propaganda and lack of freedom, as well as needlessly > poor living conditions, all of which can be ameliorated by freedom, > democracy, and a free-market. I add to that list (that comes with freedom and better living condition) access to various sources of informations, id est sources not linked to the country gov or industry. > > > The reasons Bush says he is attacking Iraq are that they have weapons > > of mass destruction and that they support terrorism. He has paid > > lip service to suffering of the people of Iraq, but his sincerity is > > questionable IMO. > > So question Bush's sincerity, I certainly don't trust him. But whatever > his motives, it is hard for me to imagine him botching the job so much > that the people of Iraq are not much better off in the long run. > > > I am not convinced that Hussain's weapons are an immediate threat to > > us, > > Neither am I. But they are surely a threat in the medium to long term, > and it will be much harder to do anything about it in a few years. > on an other hand any innocent live taken in the process will refuel the spiral of revenge an retaliation that is the ground for terrorism. > > nor am I convinced that he has supported Al Quida or any other > > terrorists. > > Al Qaeda, I agree there is no clear link. But you are wrong about Saddam > not supporting "other terrorists". Saddam has a longstanding monetary > reward for the families of suicide bombers. And as for Al Qaeda, or > other terrorists, do you think that if Saddam had the chance to increase > his power by working with terrorists, that he would not do it? Actually, > I think it is likely that he would attempt to deliver WMD through a > terrorist group if he ever decides to attack the US. Working with > terrorists is consistent with both his past behavior and his motives. > My view is that each other (bin Laden and Saddam Hussein) comtemptuily despise each other. And I doubt there 'is an actual link now. But it doesn't rule out something like arrangement when Saddam knows positively that he has completely lost, he tranmits his arms caches coordinates to terrostists groups. Future will tell us but I fear in the event of a war, terrorism would actually increase. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Corrected French history (was RE: Deadlier Than War)
* Andrew Crystall [Sun, 16/03/2003 at 13:26 +] > On 16 Mar 2003 at 14:17, Jean-Marc Chaton wrote: > > > * Andrew Crystall [Sun, 16/03/2003 at 13:10 -] > > > France has a VERY strong Neo-Nazi majority, especially at present. > >^ > > > > /me doesn't bother to answer. > > sigh minority. Excuse me, I didn't read past the first line, so missed the fact you made a slip > > I've been up for ~30 hours. > If you want to be an idiot, be an idiot. Nothing I don't expect. ^ Is that me ? -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Corrected French history (was RE: Deadlier Than War)
* Andrew Crystall [Sun, 16/03/2003 at 13:10 -] > France has a VERY strong Neo-Nazi majority, especially at present. ^ /me doesn't bother to answer. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RE: Deadlier Than War
* Dan Minette [Sat, 15/03/2003 at 11:26 -0600] > > No. I talked about bombing innocent civils. Sometimes force has to be > > counterd by force, military against military. > > But, if one tries as hard as possible to limit damage to military targets, > civilians will still be killed. Especially, if one's opponent knows that > one is trying to avoid killing civilians and uses them as shields for > military assets. So, given that fact, must we chose not to go after any > military targets? Yes, it's my opinion, if there's a risk a Just should refrain. > > And somehow, talking about WWII, I can speak about WWII and bombing and > > civilian loss. My town (Saint-Nazaire) is an harbour and has been used > > by german navy. To prevent them to use the harbour Allies bombed it. > After > > the war 90% of the town was destroyed (not the harbour). One of the > > worst bombing killed 40 pupils in their school. It's still in the > collective > > memory. > > I think this illustrates the problem. Back in WWII, bombings were very > inaccurate. It was impossible to pick a military target without hitting > civilians. The question is/was: do we refrain from bombing military > targets so as not to kill civilians. Again yes, I'm absolutely positive > > I've read that French resistance was fairly minimal, and that most French > cooperated willingly with the Germans. Do you have a good source on the > extent of French resistance? I quickly searched the internet to find a source in English (excuse me I maybe assumed too quickly it was your only language). I found numerous. I overlooked this one (looks educational British) and didn't find errors compared to what I have in memory (I'm not an history scolar though). Maybe you could also look on the same site at other chapters that you know (like USA History) and give me feedback on wether you think it's a trustable source. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FRresistance.htm -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Corrected French history (was RE: Deadlier Than War)
* Gautam Mukunda [Sat, 15/03/2003 at 20:12 -0800] > Since they seem to be made by someone who knows a > _lot_ less of France's history than I do, no, not > really. The Vichy government was a collaborationist > government of France that ran southern France _without > German occupation_ for much of the early war. German > troops did not move into Vichy-controlled areas for at > least a couple of years after 1940. German demands > for the exportation of Jews were met with more > alacrity in France than they were in _Italy_, an > actual honest-to-God Axis power. You forgot to mention that Germans had 1.5 Millions French hostages held in captivity in Germany. > There is no record of significant efforts to prevent the massacre of > the Jews by the Vichy government, which had much more independence > than dilettantes in French history realize, by the French Catholic > Church, by the Resistance, or by anyone else of significance in French > society. There is tremendous record of ordinary people helping to hide and protect Jews. People taking jew children and pretenting they were theirs, civil servants making false papers to give Jews false identity with a French sounding name, local priests disobeying hierarchy to forge baptism certificates. That said the Vichy government was the disgusting reunion of a bunch of far rightists and catholics, catholics whose official stance at the time was Jews were guilty of having killed Jesus. That said it's completely true that the government at that time could have saved a lot more of people. It's also true that that part of history has been downplayed for decades, but that's true that the current society had had the courage to review the period and even tried a former Vichy prefect. What I want to point out here, and that I confirm with all the friendly relationships I have all over the world, is that it's completeley unfair to judge individuals, or infer their thoughts by the acts of their government. > When American tourists in France are > told to identify themselves as Canadian to avoid > trouble, that says something too. Looks surrealistic to me. I'm interrested in having more information on that (offical travel advice links etc.). But I reassure all the Americans who wants to travel here. They don't need to fear the mob. We're not even stampeding hamburgers and breaking californian wine bottles in gutters for not having exactly the same opinion on Iraq. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RE: Deadlier Than War
* Dan Minette [Sat, 15/03/2003 at 10:25 -0600] > > - Original Message - > From: "Jean-Marc Chaton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 10:14 AM > Subject: Re: RE: Deadlier Than War > So, would you have been a pacifist in WWII? No. I talked about bombing innocent civils. Sometimes force has to be counterd by force, military against military. And somehow, talking about WWII, I can speak about WWII and bombing and civilian loss. My town (Saint-Nazaire) is an harbour and has been used by german navy. To prevent them to use the harbour Allies bombed it. After the war 90% of the town was destroyed (not the harbour). One of the worst bombing killed 40 pupils in their school. It's still in the collective memory. In the nearby town, Resistance killed one high rank military (bullet in the head in the street, that's war, they were invaders). In retaliation they took 50 people in hostage, asking Resistance to surrender or they killed the hostages. Resistance didn't surrender, they killed the hostages. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RE: Deadlier Than War
* Nick Arnett [Sat, 15/03/2003 at 07:33 -0800] > But that doesn't mean that there isn't an ethical difference, does it? > Agreed, for me there is an ethical difference. I can't preventively bomb 100 Iraqi children even to save 1000 children from my community. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
