Re: [CinCVS] audio question
so that means the camera has the avi file already in itself? what kind of storage medium does it record to? sure it is 24 fps? is it a sort of photo camera that can also record short videos? as for the square wave forms, maybe the amplitude is so large that the sound waves peak out of the amplification range and are thus cropped in the boundaries? so far i have worked only with mini dv, pal format, so... i must admit i feel a bit helpless in your case. anybody else here experienced with that format? sorry... good luck anyway... georg On Friday, 4. May 2007 01:26, Adam Moes L.Ac. MSTCM wrote: great, Georg I am using the community version that came preloaded with Dyne:Bolic My audio came with the video in an avi. file that my nifty little samsung camera records in. I just transferee the files from the cameras memory and import to cinelerra it records in 640 x 480 at 24 fps is a codec that used to be proprietary to Pegasus but I actually don't know which codec or sample rate the audio is coming in with my Xine player plays the audio and video from those clips perfectly so maybe I have to configure the preferences for audio is some way to get the sound ok thanks On 5/3/07, Kurt Georg Hooss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: o.k. hallo welcome. first, this is the community version's mailing list. second, how did you import your audio? are you saying you managed to import directly from the camera into cinelerra? that would be quite a heroic deed indeed, so please tell us. :-) cheers, georg On Thursday, 3. May 2007 19:33, Adam Moes L.Ac. MSTCM wrote: Hello I am so happy to be cutting on Open Source software now first question... is this mail list for the community version or Heroine version or both? next is audio I am using footage imported from my Samsung digital camera the picture is fine but the audio has square looking wave forms and sounds like square wave forms it is probably something to do with my audio preferences my operating system is Dyne:bolic that has alsa audio as well as Jack I guess you would say I am a linux noobi so go easy on me -- dr.k.g.hooss wissenschaftliche medienberatung tel. +49-(0)451-3003-474 www.schoepfung-und-wandel.de ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- dr.k.g.hooss wissenschaftliche medienberatung tel. +49-(0)451-3003-474 www.schoepfung-und-wandel.de ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] audio question
:) try to import in kino your shooting, then export dv or dv avi or dv mov. Gluck Vale so that means the camera has the avi file already in itself? what kind of storage medium does it record to? sure it is 24 fps? is it a sort of photo camera that can also record short videos? as for the square wave forms, maybe the amplitude is so large that the sound waves peak out of the amplification range and are thus cropped in the boundaries? so far i have worked only with mini dv, pal format, so... i must admit i feel a bit helpless in your case. anybody else here experienced with that format? sorry... good luck anyway... georg On Friday, 4. May 2007 01:26, Adam Moes L.Ac. MSTCM wrote: great, Georg I am using the community version that came preloaded with Dyne:Bolic My audio came with the video in an avi. file that my nifty little samsung camera records in. I just transferee the files from the cameras memory and import to cinelerra it records in 640 x 480 at 24 fps is a codec that used to be proprietary to Pegasus but I actually don't know which codec or sample rate the audio is coming in with my Xine player plays the audio and video from those clips perfectly so maybe I have to configure the preferences for audio is some way to get the sound ok thanks On 5/3/07, Kurt Georg Hooss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: o.k. hallo welcome. first, this is the community version's mailing list. second, how did you import your audio? are you saying you managed to import directly from the camera into cinelerra? that would be quite a heroic deed indeed, so please tell us. :-) cheers, georg On Thursday, 3. May 2007 19:33, Adam Moes L.Ac. MSTCM wrote: Hello I am so happy to be cutting on Open Source software now first question... is this mail list for the community version or Heroine version or both? next is audio I am using footage imported from my Samsung digital camera the picture is fine but the audio has square looking wave forms and sounds like square wave forms it is probably something to do with my audio preferences my operating system is Dyne:bolic that has alsa audio as well as Jack I guess you would say I am a linux noobi so go easy on me -- dr.k.g.hooss wissenschaftliche medienberatung tel. +49-(0)451-3003-474 www.schoepfung-und-wandel.de ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- dr.k.g.hooss wissenschaftliche medienberatung tel. +49-(0)451-3003-474 www.schoepfung-und-wandel.de ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra http://encosianima.net/ This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] audio question
thanks kids yes I popped a 500mb sd card in my cute little Samsung Digimax A402 and it will record around 15min of 640x480 video at 24 fps i'll try lowering the audio input levels but it doesn't look like clipping as there are squarish wave forms of all different sizes showing up. I'll also try passing though kino. thanks On 5/4/07, Valentina Messeri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) try to import in kino your shooting, then export dv or dv avi or dv mov. Gluck Vale so that means the camera has the avi file already in itself? what kind of storage medium does it record to? sure it is 24 fps? is it a sort of photo camera that can also record short videos? as for the square wave forms, maybe the amplitude is so large that the sound waves peak out of the amplification range and are thus cropped in the boundaries? so far i have worked only with mini dv, pal format, so... i must admit i feel a bit helpless in your case. anybody else here experienced with that format? sorry... good luck anyway... georg On Friday, 4. May 2007 01:26, Adam Moes L.Ac. MSTCM wrote: great, Georg I am using the community version that came preloaded with Dyne:Bolic My audio came with the video in an avi. file that my nifty little samsung camera records in. I just transferee the files from the cameras memory and import to cinelerra it records in 640 x 480 at 24 fps is a codec that used to be proprietary to Pegasus but I actually don't know which codec or sample rate the audio is coming in with my Xine player plays the audio and video from those clips perfectly so maybe I have to configure the preferences for audio is some way to get the sound ok thanks On 5/3/07, Kurt Georg Hooss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: o.k. hallo welcome. first, this is the community version's mailing list. second, how did you import your audio? are you saying you managed to import directly from the camera into cinelerra? that would be quite a heroic deed indeed, so please tell us. :-) cheers, georg On Thursday, 3. May 2007 19:33, Adam Moes L.Ac. MSTCM wrote: Hello I am so happy to be cutting on Open Source software now first question... is this mail list for the community version or Heroine version or both? next is audio I am using footage imported from my Samsung digital camera the picture is fine but the audio has square looking wave forms and sounds like square wave forms it is probably something to do with my audio preferences my operating system is Dyne:bolic that has alsa audio as well as Jack I guess you would say I am a linux noobi so go easy on me -- dr.k.g.hooss wissenschaftliche medienberatung tel. +49-(0)451-3003-474 www.schoepfung-und-wandel.de ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- dr.k.g.hooss wissenschaftliche medienberatung tel. +49-(0)451-3003-474 www.schoepfung-und-wandel.de ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra http://encosianima.net/ This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Adam Moes L.Ac. MSTCM Acupuncture And Herbs 574 Manzanita Ave. Suite 5 Chico, CA. 95926-1369 (530) 828 2589 www.mychineseherbalist.com
Re: [CinCVS] audio question
На Fri, 4 May 2007 14:24:14 + Adam Moes L.Ac. MSTCM [EMAIL PROTECTED] записано: thanks kids yes I popped a 500mb sd card in my cute little Samsung Digimax A402 and it will record around 15min of 640x480 video at 24 fps i'll try lowering the audio input levels but it doesn't look like clipping as there are squarish wave forms of all different sizes showing up. I'll also try passing though kino. You can also try to convert your footage with ffmpeg or mencoder. Something like: $ ffmpeg -i input.avi -vcodec copy -acodec pcm_s16le output.avi or $ mencoder input.avi -ovc copy -oac pcm -o output.avi -- Птн Май 4 23:30:13 KRAST 2007 Fri May 4 15:30:13 UTC 2007 -- Visit my home page http://www.akhil.nm.ru (Last update at 4th May 11:20) -- jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 192572572 -- Позволь эмоциям быть твоей энергией на пути в бесконечность. Ахметгалеев Ильдар aka AkhIL -- Uname: Linux artstation 2.6.19-gentoo-r5 #2 PREEMPT Sat Mar 31 11:36:29 KRAST 2007 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux Uptime: 23:30:13 up 1 day, 16:29, 15 users, load average: 2.02, 2.00, 2.02 ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] audio question
ok i'll try On 5/4/07, IL'dar AKHmetgaleev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: На Fri, 4 May 2007 14:24:14 + Adam Moes L.Ac. MSTCM [EMAIL PROTECTED] записано: thanks kids yes I popped a 500mb sd card in my cute little Samsung Digimax A402 and it will record around 15min of 640x480 video at 24 fps i'll try lowering the audio input levels but it doesn't look like clipping as there are squarish wave forms of all different sizes showing up. I'll also try passing though kino. You can also try to convert your footage with ffmpeg or mencoder. Something like: $ ffmpeg -i input.avi -vcodec copy -acodec pcm_s16le output.avi or $ mencoder input.avi -ovc copy -oac pcm -o output.avi -- Птн Май 4 23:30:13 KRAST 2007 Fri May 4 15:30:13 UTC 2007 -- Visit my home page http://www.akhil.nm.ru (Last update at 4th May 11:20) -- jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 192572572 -- Позволь эмоциям быть твоей энергией на пути в бесконечность. Ахметгалеев Ильдар aka AkhIL -- Uname: Linux artstation 2.6.19-gentoo-r5 #2 PREEMPT Sat Mar 31 11:36:29 KRAST 2007 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux Uptime: 23:30:13 up 1 day, 16:29, 15 users, load average: 2.02, 2.00, 2.02 ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Adam Moes L.Ac. MSTCM Acupuncture And Herbs 574 Manzanita Ave. Suite 5 Chico, CA. 95926-1369 (530) 828 2589 www.mychineseherbalist.com
[CinCVS] audio question
Hello I am so happy to be cutting on Open Source software now first question... is this mail list for the community version or Heroine version or both? next is audio I am using footage imported from my Samsung digital camera the picture is fine but the audio has square looking wave forms and sounds like square wave forms it is probably something to do with my audio preferences my operating system is Dyne:bolic that has alsa audio as well as Jack I guess you would say I am a linux noobi so go easy on me -- Adam Moes L.Ac. MSTCM Acupuncture And Herbs 574 Manzanita Ave. Suite 5 Chico, CA. 95926-1369 (530) 828 2589 www.mychineseherbalist.com
Re: [CinCVS] audio question
o.k. hallo welcome. first, this is the community version's mailing list. second, how did you import your audio? are you saying you managed to import directly from the camera into cinelerra? that would be quite a heroic deed indeed, so please tell us. :-) cheers, georg On Thursday, 3. May 2007 19:33, Adam Moes L.Ac. MSTCM wrote: Hello I am so happy to be cutting on Open Source software now first question... is this mail list for the community version or Heroine version or both? next is audio I am using footage imported from my Samsung digital camera the picture is fine but the audio has square looking wave forms and sounds like square wave forms it is probably something to do with my audio preferences my operating system is Dyne:bolic that has alsa audio as well as Jack I guess you would say I am a linux noobi so go easy on me -- dr.k.g.hooss wissenschaftliche medienberatung tel. +49-(0)451-3003-474 www.schoepfung-und-wandel.de ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] audio question
great, Georg I am using the community version that came preloaded with Dyne:Bolic My audio came with the video in an avi. file that my nifty little samsung camera records in. I just transferee the files from the cameras memory and import to cinelerra it records in 640 x 480 at 24 fps is a codec that used to be proprietary to Pegasus but I actually don't know which codec or sample rate the audio is coming in with my Xine player plays the audio and video from those clips perfectly so maybe I have to configure the preferences for audio is some way to get the sound ok thanks On 5/3/07, Kurt Georg Hooss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: o.k. hallo welcome. first, this is the community version's mailing list. second, how did you import your audio? are you saying you managed to import directly from the camera into cinelerra? that would be quite a heroic deed indeed, so please tell us. :-) cheers, georg On Thursday, 3. May 2007 19:33, Adam Moes L.Ac. MSTCM wrote: Hello I am so happy to be cutting on Open Source software now first question... is this mail list for the community version or Heroine version or both? next is audio I am using footage imported from my Samsung digital camera the picture is fine but the audio has square looking wave forms and sounds like square wave forms it is probably something to do with my audio preferences my operating system is Dyne:bolic that has alsa audio as well as Jack I guess you would say I am a linux noobi so go easy on me -- dr.k.g.hooss wissenschaftliche medienberatung tel. +49-(0)451-3003-474 www.schoepfung-und-wandel.de ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Adam Moes L.Ac. MSTCM Acupuncture And Herbs 574 Manzanita Ave. Suite 5 Chico, CA. 95926-1369 (530) 828 2589 www.mychineseherbalist.com
Re: [CinCVS] Audio Question...
Assuming that you will be using another device for audio which can not be synchronized with the camera... I guess that the only way for you to make it work is to produce an event that will allow you to synchronize audio and video manually. I think in movie making they use a small wooden board with which they make a clicking sound just before they record a scene. I suppose if you clap loudly near the mike before you take what you want to take (and make sure that clap of your hands is included in the video), you will be able to synchronize the clap of your hands with the sound track visually (you could also hit the camera with the mike ;) . Otherwaise I have no idea how you could do it. You can use Nudge for fine tuning. You will find it bellow the fade slider on the left side of the timeline. I think it works in seconds. Positive values mean that sound will start earlier and negative that it will be delayed. Good luck. Miha P.S. If you find any better way, surely let us know :) On sre, 2006-10-11 at 07:30 -0400, Wesley T Allen wrote: Hi all, My DV camera doesn't have a port for an external mic. I was wondering if anyone knew any tricks on getting audio from a separate video source synced with video. Any hints/ideas/clues? Thanks! Wes ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Audio Question...
you can shift the wav-file in time, (zoom right in, and get the waveforms to match by inserting space into either track. Once it's in sync, then you'll need to work out the ratio of the sampling rates and get them to match... If in one recording the a second event, (say 40 minutes into the recording) occurs at 40:20 minutes, and 40:40 in the other channel, then you'll need to adjust make the ratios of the sample rates (40*60+20)/(40*60+40) .. (if they are the same). I've had issues with cinelerra' resampler at times, so you may need to use sox to do a better quality version.. Pierre Miha Kitic( wrote: This assumes that the camera records no sound, which is not the case for video cameras. It is much easier to synchronise two sounds with each other, very accurately: That's very good idea I haven't thought of... I will keep it in mind. Thanks! Miha ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Audio Question...
I'll top post just to say, WOW! Thank you so much, I'll try this out ASAP! Wes On Wednesday 11 October 2006 7:21 am, Herman Robak wrote: On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 21:08 +0900, Miha Kitič wrote: Assuming that you will be using another device for audio which can not be synchronized with the camera... I guess that the only way for you to make it work is to produce an event that will allow you to synchronize audio and video manually. I think in movie making they use a small wooden board with which they make a clicking sound just before they record a scene. I suppose if you clap loudly near the mike before you take what you want to take (and make sure that clap of your hands is included in the video), you will be able to synchronize the clap of your hands with the sound track visually (you could also hit the camera with the mike ;) . This assumes that the camera records no sound, which is not the case for video cameras. It is much easier to synchronise two sounds with each other, very accurately: Put the two recordings in an audio track of their own in Cinelerra. Find a sentence or a sequence of sounds that stand out somewhat at the start of the recording, and put a label at a start of a particular word or peak in the sound (you can see the waveform in Cinelerra). Do the same with the other recording. Now shift one of the tracks until the labels align. Listen to the two tracks simulataneously. It helps to pan one track to the left channel and the other to the right. Shift one of the tracks until you get rid of the echo effect: The tracks are in perfect synch. Now verify that the external recording does not slip out of synch over time. Skip a little forward; does the echo sound come back? Skip to the end; are they still in synch? If the tracks do not stay in synch, you either have to make small cuts or pads now and then to realign them, or change the sample rate of the external recording _slightly_. You can change the sample rate for each meadia file in Cinelerra, in the Info dialog (right-click on the media thumbnail in the Media folder). This will make Cinelerra resample the sound. This is a little CPU-heavy and lossy, but it can solve the synch problem. -- The only way to stay sane in an insane world is to be insane. --Me ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Audio Question...
On Wednesday 11 October 2006 9:29 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Miha [UTF-8] KitiÄ^M wrote: make a clicking sound just before they record a scene. I suppose if you clap loudly near the mike before you take what you want to take (and make sure that clap of your hands is included in the video), you will be able to synchronize the clap of your hands with the sound track visually That's what I've done in the situations where I wanted to record audio and video with separate devices. I put in a clap at the start and end of each shot in order to be able to correct for speed differences. OK, how does the clap at the end work to correct speed differences? This is the first time I'm trying this so sorry if these sound like idiot questions... Wes -- The only way to stay sane in an insane world is to be insane. --Me ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Audio Question...
It's probably not what you are really after, but something like this might be helpful - http://xjadeo.sourceforge.net/Ciao,marks On 10/11/06, Wesley T Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all,My DV camera doesn't have a port for an external mic.I was wondering ifanyone knew any tricks on getting audio from a separate video source syncedwith video.Any hints/ideas/clues?Thanks! Wes--The only way to stay sane in an insane world is to be insane. --Me___Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.nohttps://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra-- Mark StavarSwan Dancer ProductionsEmail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mobile: 0410 638 671http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] Audio Question...
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Miha [UTF-8] KitiÄ^M wrote: make a clicking sound just before they record a scene. I suppose if you clap loudly near the mike before you take what you want to take (and make sure that clap of your hands is included in the video), you will be able to synchronize the clap of your hands with the sound track visually That's what I've done in the situations where I wanted to record audio and video with separate devices. I put in a clap at the start and end of each shot in order to be able to correct for speed differences. -- Matthew Skala [EMAIL PROTECTED]Embrace and defend. http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/ ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Audio Question...
I've had issues with cinelerra' resampler at times, so you may need to use sox to do a better quality version.. Sox isn't all that great either really. I tend to use sndfile-resample (or whatever it's called) which comes with libsamplerate as an example of how to use the library. Yes, it takes some time to do the resample but the quality is close to the best that is theoretically possible - Eric's spent a lot of time on this. Grab it from http://www.mega-nerd.com/SRC/ Regards jonathan ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
