Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Richard Baverstock]

Adding others who have discovered it is no longer registered.

Someone else needs to register it.
 On Oct 17, 2013 12:35 PM, "Richard Baverstock" <
richard.baverst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just domain registration. I don't know who is operating the servers.
> On Oct 17, 2013 12:15 PM, "Juha-Matti Tapio" 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 07:35:52PM -0400, Adam williams wrote:
>> > Can't afford it. Looks like the .com .net .org names are going to be
>> all squatted or taken, but it was just 1 project in a lifetime of others.
>>
>> Are we talking about just the domain registration or server resources
>> too?
>>
>>
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: Richard Baverstock
>> > Sent: 10/15/13 12:36 PM
>> > To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no, broadc...@earthling.net,
>> cinelerra-ow...@skolelinux.no
>> > Subject: Re: Transferring cinelerra.org
>> >
>> > The http://cinelerra.org  domain is about to expire, so I need to know
>> who to transfer it to.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock <
>> richard.baverst...@gmail.com > wrote:
>> > Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been
>> for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the current
>> leads in the unofficial version.
>> >
>> > If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email address?
>> >
>> > Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining
>> the web presence)?
>>
>>
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:35:00 -0700
schrieb Richard Baverstock :

> Just domain registration. I don't know who is operating the servers.

o/ I do, see my recent post about.


> On Oct 17, 2013 12:15 PM, "Juha-Matti Tapio"
>  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 07:35:52PM -0400, Adam williams wrote:
> > > Can't afford it. Looks like the .com .net .org names are going to
> > > be all
> > squatted or taken, but it was just 1 project in a lifetime of
> > others.
> >
> > Are we talking about just the domain registration or server
> > resources too?
> >
> >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Richard Baverstock
> > > Sent: 10/15/13 12:36 PM
> > > To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no, broadc...@earthling.net,
> > cinelerra-ow...@skolelinux.no
> > > Subject: Re: Transferring cinelerra.org
> > >
> > > The http://cinelerra.org  domain is about to expire, so I need to
> > > know
> > who to transfer it to.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock <
> > richard.baverst...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't
> > > been for
> > years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the
> > current leads in the unofficial version.
> > >
> > > If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email
> > > address?
> > >
> > > Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is
> > > maintaining
> > the web presence)?
> >
> >
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Richard Baverstock]

Just domain registration. I don't know who is operating the servers.
On Oct 17, 2013 12:15 PM, "Juha-Matti Tapio" 
wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 07:35:52PM -0400, Adam williams wrote:
> > Can't afford it. Looks like the .com .net .org names are going to be all
> squatted or taken, but it was just 1 project in a lifetime of others.
>
> Are we talking about just the domain registration or server resources
> too?
>
>
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Richard Baverstock
> > Sent: 10/15/13 12:36 PM
> > To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no, broadc...@earthling.net,
> cinelerra-ow...@skolelinux.no
> > Subject: Re: Transferring cinelerra.org
> >
> > The http://cinelerra.org  domain is about to expire, so I need to know
> who to transfer it to.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock <
> richard.baverst...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been for
> years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads
> in the unofficial version.
> >
> > If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email address?
> >
> > Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining
> the web presence)?
>
>
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Shaun Savage]

I would be able to donate money to renew the domain and space on a sever
for it.   

shaun

On 10/15/2013 12:36 PM, Richard Baverstock wrote:
> The cinelerra.org  domain is about to expire, so
> I need to know who to transfer it to. 
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock
> mailto:richard.baverst...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't
> been for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or
> the current leads in the unofficial version. 
>
> If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email
> address?
>
> Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is
> maintaining the web presence)?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
>
>
>
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Rolf Steinort]

Hi,

I can take over the domain and pay for it. I use Cinelerra a lot, this 
could be my contribution to the project.


For your background check: I hold and manage already the domains for my 
project meetthegimp.org and for the Gimp Magazine gimpmagazine.org



Other than doing the domain and nameserver stuff I can't help much, 
perhaps offering webspace for the homepage if the downloads are hosted 
elsewhere.



Regards

Rolf Steinort
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On 16.10.2013 01:35, Adam williams wrote:
Can't afford it.  Looks like the .com .net .org names are going to be 
all squatted or taken, but it was just 1 project in a lifetime of others.



- Original Message -

From: Richard Baverstock

Sent: 10/15/13 12:36 PM

To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no, broadc...@earthling.net, 
cinelerra-ow...@skolelinux.no


Subject: Re: Transferring cinelerra.org

The cinelerra.org  domain is about to expire, 
so I need to know who to transfer it to.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock 
mailto:richard.baverst...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't
been for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or
the current leads in the unofficial version.
If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email
address?
Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is
maintaining the web presence)?
Thanks,
Richard




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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:15:15 +0300
schrieb Juha-Matti Tapio :

> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 07:35:52PM -0400, Adam williams wrote:
> > Can't afford it. Looks like the .com .net .org names are going to
> > be all squatted or taken, but it was just 1 project in a lifetime
> > of others.
> 
> Are we talking about just the domain registration or server resources
> too?

Just domain registration/payment this time. Thats $17.19 for
10 years (godaddy.com, please bear in mind to do that for some years to
come). Sidenote: we run our own DNS server so transfering a domain
should be straightforward, every registration data should stay as it
is, only the owner will change. Contact Richard about details.

The Server on the other side isn't payed either (or rather its me who
is paying for it), but I can promise not to take it down because of
that (for the time being). Still I'd like to get some money eventually.
We once agreed that Cinelerra will contribute 10Eur per month to the
server rent, meanwhile the static IPv4 Address gets billed too that
would be 11Eur/Month. I haven't made the accounting for the
server since some time now but I guess it is a few years (approx 2-3
years) in debt now.

If anyone wants to help out I'd like to propose following plan to make
payment as transparently as possible:

1. If anyone wants to send me money for the server, place a pledge on
   this Mailinglist or send me a private Mail (and express me if you
   want to do this anonymously) including the amount of money you want
   to send.
2. I'll then send an ack/acceptance Mail to the ML and contact you
   directly about how you can transfer me money.
3. You send me the money and as soon I receive it I'll acknowledge this
   on the ML again (if I don't do so you can call me a scamer and
   you lost the money :P)

anyways the Server is founded privately and is not tax deductible or
anything else. If you want that, just donate some money to Lumiera or
some other of your favorite Free Software Projects :) 


Another more pressing thing is that the Server needs some love, aka
some responsible person/admin, I asked that longer ago but no one
cared. This is more serious as I can only keep it running as long it is
not broken/hacked/used for spaming. We have some solid backup
running and I've disabled the spamed wiki already but if some more
serious desaster strikes where simply restoring the backup won't be
enough then the Project would rather crumble to dust. Anyone with a
bit time and Debian/Webserver administration experience would be a big
help here. I can give some hands and assistance for starters. Contact me
if you feel right for that Job.



Christian





> 
> 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Richard Baverstock
> > Sent: 10/15/13 12:36 PM
> > To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no, broadc...@earthling.net,
> > cinelerra-ow...@skolelinux.no Subject: Re: Transferring
> > cinelerra.org
> > 
> > The http://cinelerra.org  domain is about to expire, so I need to
> > know who to transfer it to. 
> > 
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock <
> > richard.baverst...@gmail.com > wrote: Since I'm no longer really
> > involved in the project, and haven't been for years, I'd like to
> > transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads in the
> > unofficial version. 
> > 
> > If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email
> > address?
> > 
> > Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is
> > maintaining the web presence)?
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Juha-Matti Tapio]

On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 07:35:52PM -0400, Adam williams wrote:
> Can't afford it. Looks like the .com .net .org names are going to be all 
> squatted or taken, but it was just 1 project in a lifetime of others.

Are we talking about just the domain registration or server resources
too?


> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Baverstock
> Sent: 10/15/13 12:36 PM
> To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no, broadc...@earthling.net, 
> cinelerra-ow...@skolelinux.no
> Subject: Re: Transferring cinelerra.org
> 
> The http://cinelerra.org  domain is about to expire, so I need to know who to 
> transfer it to. 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock < 
> richard.baverst...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been for 
> years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads in 
> the unofficial version. 
> 
> If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email address?
> 
> Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the 
> web presence)?

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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Richard Baverstock]

The cinelerra.org domain is about to expire, so I need to know who to
transfer it to.


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock <
richard.baverst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been for
> years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads
> in the unofficial version.
>
> If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email address?
>
> Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the
> web presence)?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Adam williams]

Can't afford it. Looks like the .com .net .org names are going to be all 
squatted or taken, but it was just 1 project in a lifetime of others.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Baverstock
Sent: 10/15/13 12:36 PM
To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no, broadc...@earthling.net, 
cinelerra-ow...@skolelinux.no
Subject: Re: Transferring cinelerra.org

The http://cinelerra.org  domain is about to expire, so I need to know who to 
transfer it to. 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock < 
richard.baverst...@gmail.com > wrote:
Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been for years, 
I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads in the 
unofficial version. 

If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email address?

Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the web 
presence)?

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Rolf Steinort]

On 04.05.2013 17:24, Raffaella Traniello wrote:

Ciao!

I'm having problems following the CinCV mailing list because the 
messages arrive days late and get lost in my too-full inbox.


On 04/29/2013 11:12 PM, Rolf Steinort wrote:

I am already hosting the http://gimpmagazine.org and my project,
http://meetthegimp.org on a dedicated server in France. I could host
cinelerra.org for free. The server costs are already covered by
donations from both projects.


Great!
Would that cover also the technical maintenance?


That depends on what is to be done. I keep Wordpress, a DokuWiki and a 
SMF-Forum running and up to date. And I take care of the domains and the 
nameserver entries.


I closed the forum and the wiki to "self service" registration - it was 
too much SPAM. It's now e-mail and ask. Works well, but keeps perhaps 
some people away.


So it would include all the above stuff and perhaps more if it is easy 
enough to learn.



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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Bhikkhu Mettavihari]

Hello Christian

Thank you for the mail to the list

If you can give me some guideline in the beginning then I can lend a hand
I have used Cinelerra for the past 8 years and ought to pay back something.

with metta
Mettavihari



On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Christian Thaeter  wrote:

> Am Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:47:07 +0200
> schrieb Raffaella Traniello :
>
> > On 04/25/2013 11:57 PM, Richard Baverstock wrote:
> > > Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is
> > > maintaining the web presence)?
> >
> > I'm taking care of the content of the website. It's quite static.
> >
> > I propose to move it as is to Source Forge.
> > ML can be moved there too (Can it?).
> > The wiki can be abandoned but only after the useful user-added
> > content is stored somwehere else (Cin4Grandma?).
>
> Is it ok when I make the wiki inaccessible for the meantime or just
> make it readonly? No content will be lost, I just dont want to have a
> spamsink there, take a look at:
>
> http://cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?do=recent&first=0&id=
>
>
> > Trac can be moved to Launchpad.
> >
> > That would move cinelerra.org to free and nearly self-maintained
> > platforms, except the domain that I'm happy to maintain (12€ a year!).
>
> If you want to you should contact Richard about transfering the domain,
> possibly just update the owner info at the same registrar, then nothing
> else needs to be changed, you just go on pay for it. If you want to
> move the website I can still serve DNS for it, that just runs under the
> hood and we have a DNS server anyway.
>
> >
> > I have no good proposals for the git repos. What do you think?
> >
>
> Who wants to do this migration? Hey if you find anyone, maybe he could
> administrate the current server instead? thats prolly less work ...
>
> Seriously, I am really just asking for a little help, yet this mail
> thread died and nothing really happens, how many people are on this
> list and reading this? No one there who can lend a hand on a free
> Software Project? I am disappointed.
>
>
> Christian
>
>
>
>
>
> > Ciao
> > Raffaella
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Raffaella Traniello]

Ciao!

I'm having problems following the CinCV mailing list because the 
messages arrive days late and get lost in my too-full inbox.


On 04/29/2013 11:12 PM, Rolf Steinort wrote:

I am already hosting the http://gimpmagazine.org and my project,
http://meetthegimp.org on a dedicated server in France. I could host
cinelerra.org for free. The server costs are already covered by
donations from both projects.


Great!
Would that cover also the technical maintenance?

Ciao!
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:47:07 +0200
schrieb Raffaella Traniello :

> On 04/25/2013 11:57 PM, Richard Baverstock wrote:
> > Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is
> > maintaining the web presence)?
> 
> I'm taking care of the content of the website. It's quite static.
> 
> I propose to move it as is to Source Forge.
> ML can be moved there too (Can it?).
> The wiki can be abandoned but only after the useful user-added
> content is stored somwehere else (Cin4Grandma?).

Is it ok when I make the wiki inaccessible for the meantime or just
make it readonly? No content will be lost, I just dont want to have a
spamsink there, take a look at:

http://cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?do=recent&first=0&id=


> Trac can be moved to Launchpad.
> 
> That would move cinelerra.org to free and nearly self-maintained 
> platforms, except the domain that I'm happy to maintain (12€ a year!).

If you want to you should contact Richard about transfering the domain,
possibly just update the owner info at the same registrar, then nothing
else needs to be changed, you just go on pay for it. If you want to
move the website I can still serve DNS for it, that just runs under the
hood and we have a DNS server anyway.

> 
> I have no good proposals for the git repos. What do you think?
> 

Who wants to do this migration? Hey if you find anyone, maybe he could
administrate the current server instead? thats prolly less work ...

Seriously, I am really just asking for a little help, yet this mail
thread died and nothing really happens, how many people are on this
list and reading this? No one there who can lend a hand on a free
Software Project? I am disappointed.


Christian





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> Raffaella
> 
> 
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Rolf Steinort]

On 28.04.2013 04:01, Christian Thaeter wrote:


I am responsible for the server where the cinelerra.org website (and
nameserver) is hosted. When we started the Server years ago I
stated that I don't want to be involved with the cinelerra.org webserver
maintenance (it's a vserver instance on that server).

Currently there is no lead or admin for the webserver. Since some time
I am planning to write some "Angry Mail" about the current situation of
the cinelerra.org server to the mailinglist, in recent years hermanr
covered the expenses (about 11Eur per month meanwhile), but the server
is now in debt for some time. It would be nice if some people will jump
in here and donate some money to keep the server running.



I am already hosting the http://gimpmagazine.org and my project, 
http://meetthegimp.org on a dedicated server in France. I could host 
cinelerra.org for free. The server costs are already covered by 
donations from both projects.


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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Bhikkhu Mettavihari]

Greetings,

How is the situation with the Admin of the sever.
Up to now the only one to offer Admin help has been Raffaella,

Please think it over and let us decide on who this should be given to.
If there is no other person offering to help
then i think we should accept the help from Raffaella

with metta
Mettavihari



On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Christian Thaeter  wrote:

> Am Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:57:04 -0700
> schrieb Richard Baverstock :
>
> > Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been
> > for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the
> > current leads in the unofficial version.
>
> cinelerra.org is maintained by a loose group of community people, see
> below.
>
> >
> > If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email
> > address?
>
> i think the email address from http://heroinewarrior.com/support.php
> should still work.
>
> >
> > Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is
> > maintaining the web presence)?
>
> I am responsible for the server where the cinelerra.org website (and
> nameserver) is hosted. When we started the Server years ago I
> stated that I don't want to be involved with the cinelerra.org webserver
> maintenance (it's a vserver instance on that server).
>
> Currently there is no lead or admin for the webserver. Since some time
> I am planning to write some "Angry Mail" about the current situation of
> the cinelerra.org server to the mailinglist, in recent years hermanr
> covered the expenses (about 11Eur per month meanwhile), but the server
> is now in debt for some time. It would be nice if some people will jump
> in here and donate some money to keep the server running.
>
> Further, what nags me MUCH more:
> The cinelerra server is in dare need of some administrator. Juan who did
> that recently stepped down as he has no time for it currently. We
> really need some dependable admin to take care of it! There are long
> overdue updates and maintainance works left out. The wiki and the
> bugtracker gets spamed and no one cares. If this Situation does not
> change I cant see any solution but to disable the services which are
> abused (trac, wiki). If anything else fails there, gets hacked or some
> desaster strikes cinelerra.org will be history!
>
> I really do not want to do this job but I am willing to give anyone who
> wants to help here a hand. We really need someone wo takes care to keep
> the Lights on.
>
> The Situation for the nameserver is different as it runs on another
> vserver which is properly maintained any if anyone wants to keep the
> cinelerra.org domain up and runnning (I just checked, it's payed by
> Richard until Januar 2014) just contact me about the ownership
> transition, we/I can do all further nameserver maintenance. So whoever
> gets the domain he only needs to be responsible for funding (or be it
> by donations) everything else is carefree.
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Bhikkhu Mettavihari]

Greetings,

 > I don't have the technical expertise or any of the skills needed for
> > administrative tasks, etc., but I was unaware there were financial
> > difficulties with regard to maintaining the server.  I am not in a
> > particularly good financial situation but this program and its
> > maintenance is important to me, and I would be happy to contribute at
> > least a small amount monthly to its continued existence.  How much
> > money do we need to be raising, say, on a monthly, or annual basis?
> > Could this be done via Paypal?  Perhaps a donate button on the main
> > page?
>
> The financial difficulties are no big issue compared to the
> administrative difficulties. cinelerra.org needs someone who will work
> a few hours every month to keep the things running and up to date.
> Thats *much* more valuable than money in the current situation.
>

I think if the amount is small the best thing would be that Christian give
his account number
and the amount is transfered that way.
I have worked with NGO's and found it more difficult to provide accounts
for what the money was spent on and I suggest that who ever give some small
amount
could make a private arrangement with Christian.


> Also I have to explain how the server is currently financed:
> cinelerra.org is *not* a public organization which can collect
> donations. So far (and I hope in this will work in future) there are a
> loose group of people. I've rented a server and some people give me
> money for hosting vservers on it on a private/non-commercial basis.
> This is all a private thing, nothing tax deductible and neither I,
> nor someone no one else, except the hosting company, making any profit
> from it. I can not ask for donations and at least if anyone wants to
> cover the server expenses this should be coordinated in a transparent
> way. I now pay for the server and I am rather more uncomfortable
> with the opposite when strangers send me 'donations' and no one else has
> some insight into this.
>

As I said above. If you know Christian and the work he is doing for us
then send him a private payment and ask no account.


with metta
Mettavihari
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Raffaella Traniello]

Ciao!

On 04/30/2013 02:06 AM, Christian Thaeter wrote:

We moved to our own server years ago to have the freedom to control
the services and infrastructure we want to use (git hosting was not
that common that time). With this freedom comes some responsibility
to maintain this infrastructure of course. Thats whats currently
lacking.


Indeed.
The people that chose that freedom is not here maintaining that freedom
anymore.


But I don't see how moving to sourceforge/launchpad/whatever would
address this issue.


They will do the technical admin part for us.


There are *plenty* projects on sourceforge which
are in such a irresponsible/unmaintained state where the wiki,
bugtracker and mailinglists get spamed. If there is no one who cares
for it now, then no one will do it there either.


We will have no wiki.
The ML will be moderated.
I see no spam problems in Launchpad tracker.


Keeping the Server running is really no much additional work


... but you don't want to do it. :-)

An old rule of headless FLOSS communities is that the Doers are the ones 
that decide.  :-)


Anyone offering a different solution?
(the offer must include also the time to implement and maintain it)

Ciao!
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:47:07 +0200
schrieb Raffaella Traniello :

> On 04/25/2013 11:57 PM, Richard Baverstock wrote:
> > Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is
> > maintaining the web presence)?
> 
> I'm taking care of the content of the website. It's quite static.
> 
> I propose to move it as is to Source Forge.
> ML can be moved there too (Can it?).
> The wiki can be abandoned but only after the useful user-added
> content is stored somwehere else (Cin4Grandma?).
> Trac can be moved to Launchpad.
> 
> That would move cinelerra.org to free and nearly self-maintained 
> platforms, except the domain that I'm happy to maintain (12€ a year!).
> 
> I have no good proposals for the git repos. What do you think?

Hi Raffa,

I have really no idea what problems do you want to solve with your
proposal. We moved to our own server years ago to have the freedom to
control the services and infrastructure we want to use (git hosting
was not that common that time). With this freedom comes some
responsibility to maintain this infrastructure of course. Thats whats
currently lacking. But I don't see how moving to
sourceforge/launchpad/whatever would address this issue. There are
*plenty* projects on sourceforge which are in such a
irresponsible/unmaintained state where the wiki, bugtracker and
mailinglists get spamed. If there is no one who cares for it now,
then no one will do it there either.

Keeping the Server running is really no much additional work
(speaking of a few hours per month *at most*). Of course there is now
some inital work to get the server in a better shape (dist-upgrade, fix
some insane things and so on) but after that there is no much more to
do than keeping it updated by running apt-get update/upgrade sometimes.

Christian


> 
> Ciao
> Raffaella
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Rebecca]

Christian - I understand completely and certainly don't want to put anyone in a 
difficult position, I just wish I could contribute something more technically 
useful.  If there is a solution to this at any point, where money can be raised 
transparently towards future costs, however large or small they may be, please 
do let me know as I definitely want to continue supporting the project.  I'm 
certainly not looking for tax breaks or worrying about where profit is going.  
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Raffaella Traniello]

On 04/25/2013 11:57 PM, Richard Baverstock wrote:

Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining
the web presence)?


I'm taking care of the content of the website. It's quite static.

I propose to move it as is to Source Forge.
ML can be moved there too (Can it?).
The wiki can be abandoned but only after the useful user-added content 
is stored somwehere else (Cin4Grandma?).

Trac can be moved to Launchpad.

That would move cinelerra.org to free and nearly self-maintained 
platforms, except the domain that I'm happy to maintain (12€ a year!).


I have no good proposals for the git repos. What do you think?

Ciao
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:05:16 +
schrieb Rebecca :

> I don't have the technical expertise or any of the skills needed for
> administrative tasks, etc., but I was unaware there were financial
> difficulties with regard to maintaining the server.  I am not in a
> particularly good financial situation but this program and its
> maintenance is important to me, and I would be happy to contribute at
> least a small amount monthly to its continued existence.  How much
> money do we need to be raising, say, on a monthly, or annual basis?
> Could this be done via Paypal?  Perhaps a donate button on the main
> page? 

The financial difficulties are no big issue compared to the
administrative difficulties. cinelerra.org needs someone who will work
a few hours every month to keep the things running and up to date.
Thats *much* more valuable than money in the current situation.

Also I have to explain how the server is currently financed:
cinelerra.org is *not* a public organization which can collect
donations. So far (and I hope in this will work in future) there are a
loose group of people. I've rented a server and some people give me
money for hosting vservers on it on a private/non-commercial basis.
This is all a private thing, nothing tax deductible and neither I,
nor someone no one else, except the hosting company, making any profit
from it. I can not ask for donations and at least if anyone wants to
cover the server expenses this should be coordinated in a transparent
way. I now pay for the server and I am rather more uncomfortable
with the opposite when strangers send me 'donations' and no one else has
some insight into this.


Christian


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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Daniel Jircik]

   - 
adam.williams.10297...@facebook.com


   - http://heroinewarrior.com
   - http://vicacopter.com



On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Richard Baverstock <
richard.baverst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been for
> years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads
> in the unofficial version.
>
> If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email address?
>
> Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the
> web presence)?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Raffaella Traniello]

Ciao again!

I forgot to add that at present I'm in the middle of an international 
film festival organization and I have no mental energy left for Cinelerra.


I could do any work or migration only in June.

Ciao
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[David Armstrong]

happy to donate, considering the years of use I have obtained from 
Cinelerra.



On 28/04/13 12:01, Christian Thaeter wrote:

Am Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:57:04 -0700
schrieb Richard Baverstock :


Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been
for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the
current leads in the unofficial version.

cinelerra.org is maintained by a loose group of community people, see
below.


If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email
address?

i think the email address from http://heroinewarrior.com/support.php
should still work.


Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is
maintaining the web presence)?

I am responsible for the server where the cinelerra.org website (and
nameserver) is hosted. When we started the Server years ago I
stated that I don't want to be involved with the cinelerra.org webserver
maintenance (it's a vserver instance on that server).

Currently there is no lead or admin for the webserver. Since some time
I am planning to write some "Angry Mail" about the current situation of
the cinelerra.org server to the mailinglist, in recent years hermanr
covered the expenses (about 11Eur per month meanwhile), but the server
is now in debt for some time. It would be nice if some people will jump
in here and donate some money to keep the server running.

Further, what nags me MUCH more:
The cinelerra server is in dare need of some administrator. Juan who did
that recently stepped down as he has no time for it currently. We
really need some dependable admin to take care of it! There are long
overdue updates and maintainance works left out. The wiki and the
bugtracker gets spamed and no one cares. If this Situation does not
change I cant see any solution but to disable the services which are
abused (trac, wiki). If anything else fails there, gets hacked or some
desaster strikes cinelerra.org will be history!

I really do not want to do this job but I am willing to give anyone who
wants to help here a hand. We really need someone wo takes care to keep
the Lights on.

The Situation for the nameserver is different as it runs on another
vserver which is properly maintained any if anyone wants to keep the
cinelerra.org domain up and runnning (I just checked, it's payed by
Richard until Januar 2014) just contact me about the ownership
transition, we/I can do all further nameserver maintenance. So whoever
gets the domain he only needs to be responsible for funding (or be it
by donations) everything else is carefree.
  



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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Raffaella Traniello]

Ciao!

I'm happy to maintain the domain.
As for the administration, I can maintain it but only if we move to more 
self sustained platforms, like moving Track to Launchpad bugtrackers and 
so on.


I'm already looking after Linux Stopmotion (a very small, quiete and 
relaxed community) and this model seems sustainable even for not so 
active communities.

http://linuxstopmotion.org/

Ciao
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Rebecca]

I don't have the technical expertise or any of the skills needed for 
administrative tasks, etc., but I was unaware there were financial difficulties 
with regard to maintaining the server.  I am not in a particularly good 
financial situation but this program and its maintenance is important to me, 
and I would be happy to contribute at least a small amount monthly to its 
continued existence.  How much money do we need to be raising, say, on a 
monthly, or annual basis?  Could this be done via Paypal?  Perhaps a donate 
button on the main page?  
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:57:04 -0700
schrieb Richard Baverstock :

> Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been
> for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the
> current leads in the unofficial version.

cinelerra.org is maintained by a loose group of community people, see
below.

> 
> If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email
> address?

i think the email address from http://heroinewarrior.com/support.php
should still work.

> 
> Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is
> maintaining the web presence)?

I am responsible for the server where the cinelerra.org website (and
nameserver) is hosted. When we started the Server years ago I
stated that I don't want to be involved with the cinelerra.org webserver
maintenance (it's a vserver instance on that server).

Currently there is no lead or admin for the webserver. Since some time
I am planning to write some "Angry Mail" about the current situation of
the cinelerra.org server to the mailinglist, in recent years hermanr
covered the expenses (about 11Eur per month meanwhile), but the server
is now in debt for some time. It would be nice if some people will jump
in here and donate some money to keep the server running.

Further, what nags me MUCH more:
The cinelerra server is in dare need of some administrator. Juan who did
that recently stepped down as he has no time for it currently. We
really need some dependable admin to take care of it! There are long
overdue updates and maintainance works left out. The wiki and the
bugtracker gets spamed and no one cares. If this Situation does not
change I cant see any solution but to disable the services which are
abused (trac, wiki). If anything else fails there, gets hacked or some
desaster strikes cinelerra.org will be history!

I really do not want to do this job but I am willing to give anyone who
wants to help here a hand. We really need someone wo takes care to keep
the Lights on.

The Situation for the nameserver is different as it runs on another
vserver which is properly maintained any if anyone wants to keep the
cinelerra.org domain up and runnning (I just checked, it's payed by
Richard until Januar 2014) just contact me about the ownership
transition, we/I can do all further nameserver maintenance. So whoever
gets the domain he only needs to be responsible for funding (or be it
by donations) everything else is carefree.
 


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