Re: CCNP Todd Lammle Books???
Hi guys. Has anyone used any CBTs for the CCNP 2.0? Jim Brown wrote: > Steve, > > I thought the Todd Lammle book for the CCNA was very good, but the rest of > the texts on the CCNP and CCDP tracks were very weak. I would not recommend > them to anyone. They seemed like regurgitated information that took up a lot > of paper. I would highly recommend using Cisco Press and backing that up > with the McGraw-Hill NetCertify series. I have tried them all and this was > the combination that worked for me. > > The Exam Cram series is for refresh of key points before an exam. Do not > solely depend on them to pass an exam. I read all the books and passed the > exams in 6 hours. Just kidding! Seriously though, the Cisco Press was my > initial study tool and the McGraw-Hill was used to round out/flesh out the > concepts described in the Cisco Press. > > Some of the points and examples were very close in the Cisco Press and the > 1.0 exams. They is an invaluable tool for that reason alone. > > This is only my opinion and I am sure there are people who would disagree > with me. We all want the certifications, but don't short change yourself by > only studying the Exam Cram series. You really want to understand and know > how the gear works, not just pass some exam. > > -Original Message- > From: JD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 11:49 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: CCNP Todd Lammle Books??? > > I am confused on which books to buy for my CCNP. I see the Exam Notes books > by Todd Lammle and then there are the full, lengthy books by Todd Lammle. > Which are better for learning the material? Do the Exam Notes books give > just what you need to pass the tests?? > > Steve > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] begin:vcard n:Piggott;Calvin tel;work:CommNett Caribbean Ltd. x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Systems Engineer fn:Calvin Piggott end:vcard
RE: CCNP Todd Lammle Books???
I use following tecnique when I study for an CCNP exam: - I try to get as much hands on experience as I can. - I read some hands on books about the material. The CCIE books are usually good. - Then I read a studyguide like Todd Lammle writes. I do it to get an overwiev of the material for the exam. - At last (Last week or so before the exam) I start reading books like the Exam notes from Sybex or the Exam Cram books from Coriolis. I am lazy and dont take notes when I read so I use these books as they are designed to be as notes. At this stage I take as many practice exams as I possibly can to see where my knowledge lacks and hit the books again. Regards Jon Eggert Gudmundsson MCSE,CCNA,CCDA Network Administrator Icelandic Banks Data Center -Original Message- From: JD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 21. september 2000 05:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNP Todd Lammle Books??? I am confused on which books to buy for my CCNP. I see the Exam Notes books by Todd Lammle and then there are the full, lengthy books by Todd Lammle. Which are better for learning the material? Do the Exam Notes books give just what you need to pass the tests?? Steve **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNP Todd Lammle Books???
The Study Guide is designed to be read as a teaching tool that supplements real-world experience. It is not written to teach the test, but to provide enough information to prepare readers for the test and to support them in production networks. The Exam Notes are designed for those readers who read the Study Guide or took the official course and simply wish to have a review and checkpoint. Some readers start with the Exam Notes to determine if the Study Guide is warranted. A couple other points - while Todd has upwards of 30 books in the series, there are over 50 other authors, copy and technical editors that work on the series. Second - I appreciate the comments from Jim below, however, I find them very discouraging as well. The CID book was written by me and is actually thinner by many Study Guides. I have co-written Remote Access, CIT and CLSC, and believe that the Study Guides are simply different from the Cisco Press materials. The Sybex publications are written to take the reader through the learning process, and are written to a 'junior level.' The Cisco Press texts, depending on title, are either written from the course materials or are compliations of the content on CCO. This is an excellent approach, and I enjoy these texts as reference, however, I would not recommend them to a reader studying for CCNP/DP level certification who only has CCNA level knowledge. In addition, with a fast CCO connection, it is possible to review the white papers and other titles on CCO and get many of the same diagrams, etc. as Cisco Press. The benefit to these titles comes from the author's additions and organization - and many are quite good. As I have stated before, both texts have value and most readers will use a combination of them. I'd suggest looking at both in the bookstore and buying both if they have value to you - if you are less experienced with the equipment or need a classroom style of presentation you will likely prefer the Sybex title. If you like lots of information and need reference materials to help you teach yourself you will likely prefer Cisco Press. (This is how I use them!) --- Jim Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve, > > I thought the Todd Lammle book for the CCNA was very > good, but the rest of > the texts on the CCNP and CCDP tracks were very > weak. I would not recommend > them to anyone. They seemed like regurgitated > information that took up a lot > of paper. I would highly recommend using Cisco Press > and backing that up > with the McGraw-Hill NetCertify series. I have tried > them all and this was > the combination that worked for me. > > The Exam Cram series is for refresh of key points > before an exam. Do not > solely depend on them to pass an exam. I read all > the books and passed the > exams in 6 hours. Just kidding! Seriously though, > the Cisco Press was my > initial study tool and the McGraw-Hill was used to > round out/flesh out the > concepts described in the Cisco Press. > > Some of the points and examples were very close in > the Cisco Press and the > 1.0 exams. They is an invaluable tool for that > reason alone. > > This is only my opinion and I am sure there are > people who would disagree > with me. We all want the certifications, but don't > short change yourself by > only studying the Exam Cram series. You really want > to understand and know > how the gear works, not just pass some exam. > > -Original Message- > From: JD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 11:49 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: CCNP Todd Lammle Books??? > > > I am confused on which books to buy for my CCNP. I > see the Exam Notes books > by Todd Lammle and then there are the full, lengthy > books by Todd Lammle. > Which are better for learning the material? Do the > Exam Notes books give > just what you need to pass the tests?? > > Steve > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more > information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more > information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines:
RE: CCNP Todd Lammle Books???
Steve, I thought the Todd Lammle book for the CCNA was very good, but the rest of the texts on the CCNP and CCDP tracks were very weak. I would not recommend them to anyone. They seemed like regurgitated information that took up a lot of paper. I would highly recommend using Cisco Press and backing that up with the McGraw-Hill NetCertify series. I have tried them all and this was the combination that worked for me. The Exam Cram series is for refresh of key points before an exam. Do not solely depend on them to pass an exam. I read all the books and passed the exams in 6 hours. Just kidding! Seriously though, the Cisco Press was my initial study tool and the McGraw-Hill was used to round out/flesh out the concepts described in the Cisco Press. Some of the points and examples were very close in the Cisco Press and the 1.0 exams. They is an invaluable tool for that reason alone. This is only my opinion and I am sure there are people who would disagree with me. We all want the certifications, but don't short change yourself by only studying the Exam Cram series. You really want to understand and know how the gear works, not just pass some exam. -Original Message- From: JD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 11:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNP Todd Lammle Books??? I am confused on which books to buy for my CCNP. I see the Exam Notes books by Todd Lammle and then there are the full, lengthy books by Todd Lammle. Which are better for learning the material? Do the Exam Notes books give just what you need to pass the tests?? Steve **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCNP Todd Lammle Books???
Get the big Todd Lammle book, and the Exam Cram. Repeat this advice for any Cisco test. Original Message Follows From: "JD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "JD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNP Todd Lammle Books??? Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:49:01 -0700 I am confused on which books to buy for my CCNP. I see the Exam Notes books by Todd Lammle and then there are the full, lengthy books by Todd Lammle. Which are better for learning the material? Do the Exam Notes books give just what you need to pass the tests?? Steve **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
