Re: Stus-List C 26' or 27'?

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

We had both on Carlyle.  As I recall the 26 was a more tender boat, and with 
the larger beam needed more attention in the puffs.  However, it did better in 
light air.  Our average wind is 10kts with a std deviation of 7, so we have a 
number of days in the 3-5 and 5-7 range.The 27-3 was a great sailing boat, but 
needed a bit more air to fully perform; closer to 10-12.  It did have speed 
with a Pearson 30, which says something for a 27ft boat.All three folks (2 with 
26s & 1 with 27) enjoyed their boats.Can't go wrong with either, but sounds 
like the 27 needs a lot more work.  Fine if the price reflects that.OTOH, the 
30-1 is a great boat.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL
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Stus-List Anyone racing C 30 MKII?

[Doug Ellmore via CnC-List]

I am thinking of moving up from racing my C 24.  The 30 MKII has many
features I am wanting in the next racer cruiser.

I wonder how the wing keel performs.  Chesapeake PHRF rating is 180 vs 150
for standard keel.

I have won a few ragattas the last year with the 24, but ready for a boat
to also cruise some with the wife.

Cheers,

Doug
s/v Red Sky
1976 C 24
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] FX Sails -- Any Good?

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Bought a main for Firefly (C 27-3) which a snowbird brought back for me. 
About $750 US ten years ago. Good service from a Dacron sail for 5/6 years.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 10, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I would look local first.
Joe
Coquina

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:09 AM
To: John via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Edd Schillay mailto:e...@schillay.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List FX Sails -- Any Good?

Listers,

Anyone have any experience with FX sails? Good or Bad?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's 
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 153, Issue 14

[Dan Sargeant via CnC-List]

Re:  Stus-List Update to "How long owned a C"
Correction:
C 32 Ocean Pearl
.is hull no. 189, not 199.
My mistake.
Dan Sargeant
C 32
Ocean Pearl

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>1. Re:  Rob - C long time question (Don Kern)
>2. Re:  Rob - C long time question (Bill Coleman)
>3. Re:  Composting head in 33-2? (Bill Coleman)
>4. Re:  Rob - C long time question (Bill Coleman)
>5. Re:  Rob - C long time question (Dave Godwin)
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> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Don Kern 
> To: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 14:02:02 -0400
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rob - C long time question
>
> Chuck,
>
> Was in your neck of the woods for the J80 Nationals at Beverly YC.  Left
> on Sunday with my son, made it to Cuttyhunk in two hours under spinnaker
> (hit 11.7 kts on a wave front, fastest we have ever seen), got the
> spinnaker off and reached over to Sakonnet - 2hrs. Then up to Bristol in 3
> hrs.  49nm in seven hours, my legs were quite weak trying to keep the boat
> from broaching.
>
> Don
> Fireball, 12708
> C 35 MK2
>
> On 10/3/2018 9:51 AM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List wrote:
>
> My C love affair started in 2000.  I joined the crew of Bill Dingwell’s
> “Zoomer” a ’78 C 40’ deep keel with an impressive race history in New
> England  .  Our main sail trimmer was Rob Ball.   We bought our first C
> in 2001, Half Magic, a ’74 25 Mk 1 as the 3rd owner.  It served our
> family for 14 years, mostly day sailing and cruising with a race here and
> there until our two children with the occasional friend and a large yellow
> lab made for rather crowded accommodations for weekend cruising.  We bought
> our new Half Magic, an ‘83 Landfall 35 in Jan 2016 and again I’m the 3rd
> owner.   After Zoomer sold, I rejoined Rob for racing as crew on his
> Etchells and we worked together at Edson for quite a few years.  At no time
> did I consider replacing the 25 with anything other than another C
> Maybe it’s the lines of the boat, maybe the build quality, or perhaps Rob’s
> influence as a friend and sailing buddy or a combination of all of the
> above.
>
>
>
> Just an FYI, after acquiring his 34, Rob’s Etchells is now on the market
> and is a spectacularly great deal given the time, money,  and effort he’s
> put into the boat.. Someone on the list should snap it up!
>
>
> https://southcoast.craigslist.org/boa/d/etchells-one-design-sailboat/6686704183.html
>
>
>
> Anyone going to Annapolis for the Boat Show this week?  I’ll be down there
> walking the show on Thursday and Friday, supporting a few of my Novabraid
> dealers.  Hit me up off list if anyone wants to catch up and talk boats.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
> S/V Half Magic
>
> 1983 35 Landfall
>
> Padanaram, MA
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List 
>  *On Behalf Of *Jack Fitzgerald via
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> *Sent:* Thursday, September 27, 2018 8:
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> 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Rob - C long time question
>
>
>
> Hello Al,
>
>
>
> I have a question for the list.
>
>
>
> How many of you have owned your current C yacht for 5 years or longer.
>
>
>
> FYI - we have owned Honey since October 1976 and are currently the second
> owners.
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
> Jack Fitzgerald,
>
> HONEY - US12788
>
> 1974 C 39 TM
>
> Savannah, GA 31410 USA
>
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> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Bill Coleman 
> To: 
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 17:21:05 -0400
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rob - C long time question
>
> Actually, those Freedoms are darn nice boats.
>
> I think Gary Hoyt was quite an innovator, and I believe Pearson? May have
> made the boats.
>
> We have made the self tacking CamberSpars since Bierig 

Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C Rendezvous Facebook page

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Since someone here on the list requested live streams of this event I've
come up with a way to provide just that.  I made a Facebook page for this
event.  I don't plan to have a general area live feed but I do plan to have
introductions, boat tours, engine demos, rigging demos, knots and ropes
demos, and cooking demos.  If you want to follow along or chime in please
head over and like/subscribe.  This will also be a place where attendees
can share their own pictures, videos, and live streams.  It might be a
little rough for the next few days but bear with me.

https://www.facebook.com/2018MACCR/


All the best,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Hurricane Michael - afterwards

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Spent day on Touche' watching Hurricane Michael.  It was almost a non event
here in Pensacola.

I really feel for those less fortunate.  Nasty, nasty storm.  Going to be
lots of suffering.

The worst I saw was 30 knots during a gust or two.  Not even much rain.
Storm surge on Bayou Chico was about 2.5 feet.  Right now the sun is out
and it's blowing mid-teens with gusts to 22 knots.

Used the day to do a thorough cleaning below.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
Currently lying Pensacola, FL
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Re: Stus-List Holding tanks

[Dave. via CnC-List]

I still marvel that Rod knew the dimensions, manufacturer and model number of 
the original holding tank on the C 33 mark 1. Thanks again Rod. 
As this tank is no longer available and to manufacture a custom replacement 
would be pretty expensive I’m now considering an AirHead composting toilet. All 
reports are positive. My two concerns are, where to exit the vent hose and how 
to power that vent without shore power. Have any of our listers made the 
switch? Is so, how did you solve the venting problem?
Thanks again for your input.
Dave.
SLY 1975 C 33

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 3, 2018, at 11:48 AM, Rodney Randow via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 1. The holding tank is behind the head and under the locker shelf. All the 
> fitting are located on the top surface. The tank is shaped to fit into this 
> space and I believe the tank is original.
> 
> 2. Model: Kracor R-6046
> Tank top: 12.5 x 22
> side view: 19h (cabinet)/5h (hull) x 12.5w (top)/5w (bottom)
> 
> Rod
> C
> 
>> On 08/31/2018 04:55 PM, Dave. via CnC-List wrote:
>> SLY has been using a Type 1 Sanitation System but these are no longer legal 
>> in Puget Sound so we need to install a holding tank. Yuck! I looked in our 
>> original C manual and found a 15.5 gallon holding tank listed. Not sure if 
>> these were standard issue or an option but SLY did not come to us with a 
>> holding tank. So my questions are:
>> 1. Where were the holding tanks installed?
>> 2. What were there configuration? Dimensions?
>> 3. Are these units or similar units available and from whom?
>> Thanks again for your collective thoughts.
>> Dave. Kaseler
>> SLY
>> 1975 C 33
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List FX Sails -- Any Good?

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Edd,
I have FX cruising weigth sails on my  37.
I had never heard of them but they came with boat and  were very new 2014 and 
minimal use. Guessing Main Maybe  out 10 times over last 2-3 years ??  I know 
real shame
I brought them to local sail loft for good cleaning and some minor repairs 
since i had them off  for Florence
His comments on the main  were “ very nice sail”
Genoa  130- 135% dacron sail,  with foam luff  just needs new small strip of UV 
and some light re- stitching
i am happy with the shape and way they perform. And would love some more info 
as well :) so far so good
May add draft strip if its not to much $...

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net


On Oct 10, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Listers,

Anyone have any experience with FX sails? Good or Bad?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's 
Log


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Re: Stus-List C 26' or 27'?

[T Sutton via CnC-List]

FWIW I wouldn’t lean toward a 26 or 27 with out looking into the 30 that was 
offered first.  If the 30 has been maintained and is any where close to sail 
away condition it will be cheaper in the long run and a better boat from the 
get go.  If you like having a boat you are also less likely to want to move up 
as soon as soon.

My $0.02 worth,

Tom S

From: Chris Graham via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Chris Graham 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 26' or 27'?

Great point... poor choice of words there!  

I’m leaning toward the 26!

Chris 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 10, 2018, 11:49 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  As a potential investment  



  Neither!



  Boats are not investments.  We have spent at least double on each of our last 
three boats than they are or were worth and that is likely an understatement.  
On top of what you spend for the boat and to upgrade and maintain it you will 
have insurance, docking /mooring fees, winter storage, etc ….



  That said less TLC with a properly working Yanmar may be the better choice,  
In terms of sailing likely the 27



  Mike

  Halifax, NS



  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chris 
Graham via CnC-List
  Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 8:55 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: Chris Graham
  Subject: Stus-List C 26' or 27'?



  Good morning all!



  I know this is such a general and subjective question but it is one that I am 
currently faced with. Imagine two boats, the 26' and the 27' both in the same 
ball park in terms of price, the 26' is a bit newer, the 27' is a 1974. 



  Looking for a nice coastal cruiser and overnighter on the Maine coast as my 
blue water days are probably over. I have two teenaged daughters so I so need a 
bit of space aboard. The 26' has a 10.5 beam and good headroom, the 27' I 
believe is 8.5? Good headroom and dinette set up.



  I wont get into too many details but the 27 needs a bit more TLC but for sake 
of argument, let's say they are of similar quality. Majot different is that the 
26' has a Yanmar SB8 and the 27 an A4 with a bit of a cooling issue (perhaps 
stemming form the water jacket?).



  As a potential investment, which model would you recommend and why? I have 
had several friends steer me toward the 27 as they felt that there is no market 
for a fat 26'er?!!?! Really? IS the 27' a safer bet? Better choice for what I 
am looking for or better when it comes to resale (possibly)? 



  Any specifics on sailing characteristics and how the two might match up? The 
27' needs a rudder rebuild which I have done once and am comfortable doing so 
Im not too scared about that, but it is a major repair that should be fixed 
sooner than later. winches were stiff and would need attention...also had a 
hank on Jib where the 26 has roller furling headsail. No MSD tank in the 27', 
the 26' is ready to go. 



  Curious what the consensus might be in the group and any comments or 
suggestions would be greatly appreciated and helpful.



  Thanks so much

  Chris

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Re: Stus-List Refinishing table and sole...

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 I ordered some...thanks!
 
Richard
 
Richard N. Bushs/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 600; 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: Gerald Fennessey via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Gerald Fennessey 
Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2018 2:09 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Refinishing table and sole...

Hi David,
I Have been using 
I have been using Bristol Amber Urethane Finish with good 
results.  The finish on my cabin sole looks like what you see on super yachts.
Gerry FennesseyFianna1985 35 MK lll 







-Original Message-
From: David via CnC-List 
To: CNC CNC 
Cc: David 
Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2018 9:25 am
Subject: Stus-List Refinishing table and sole...

 #yiv7056888701 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}So I am refinishing the table 
and have removed the aluminum corner pieces to re-paint.   As the original 
paint is in fairly good shape with only bits of bare aluminum, still need 
primer?  Preferred top coat paint?

And I know this subject has been beaten to death.  Sorry, but a varnish 
recommendation for cabin sole?



David F. Risch, J. D.GulfStreamAssociates,LLC 
(401) 419-4650 


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Re: Stus-List Refinishing table and sole...

[Gerald Fennessey via CnC-List]

Hi David,
I Have been using 
I have been using Bristol Amber Urethane Finish with good 
results.  The finish on my cabin sole looks like what you see on super yachts.
Gerry FennesseyFianna1985 35 MK lll 







-Original Message-
From: David via CnC-List 
To: CNC CNC 
Cc: David 
Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2018 9:25 am
Subject: Stus-List Refinishing table and sole...

 #yiv7500550577 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}So I am refinishing the table 
and have removed the aluminum corner pieces to re-paint.   As the original 
paint is in fairly good shape with only bits of bare aluminum, still need 
primer?  Preferred top coat paint?

And I know this subject has been beaten to death.  Sorry, but a varnish 
recommendation for cabin sole?



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Re: Stus-List C 30 MKI?

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Speaking of 30-1s, I saw hull #493 (built 1976), named Katherine Patricia, 
moored at Emerald Bay, Santa Catalina Island, California, on Saturday.  She was 
beautiful and her owner is not on this list.  Pics at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ivBtQ1bvQb0VoIqZ3LX6WVXPTA-27PbM.

I’d chartered (a pig of a) Catalina 390 over there for a 4-day weekend, and 
imagine my delight seeing one of Grenadine’s sister ships at my first mooring 
site.

That’s the third SoCal C I saw in two consecutive weekends sailing there.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Oct 8, 2018, at 8:01 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Are you talking about the front piece photo on page 54 of the October issue 
> about the Bas d'Or Lake in Nova Scotia? 
> 
> The boat appears to be a 30-1, sail number 242, if anyone on here knows the 
> owner. But the name on the transom is pretty much unreadable in the photo.
> 
> A 29-1 had two portlights in the cabin side, and the early 27s had a 
> different arrangement of shrouds than the boat in the photo. I'm not sure if 
> any of the larger boats in the 70s came with a tiller instead of a wheel, so 
> I'm pretty sure the boat in the photo is a 30. The caption of the photo only 
> identifies the boat as a "little sloop".
> 
> 
> Rick Brass
> Washington, NC
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 1:41 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Richard 
> Subject: Stus-List C 30 MKI?
> 
> This month’s Cruising World has an awesome photo of a 30? (It could be a 
> 27-29)I’m surprised no one has mentioned it, (unless I’m the only one 
> still reading it)
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List New Genoa?

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Last offseason I sent two headsails to SailCare and was very pleased with their 
customer service and the results of their work.  I will use them again and I 
recommend them.  If I remember correctly, they give a 15% discount if you send 
in your sail in the fall (avoid the spring rush).

Cheers,
Randy

> On Oct 6, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ed,
> Have you considered Sail Care?  I’ve never used them personally but I was in 
> their booth a bit at the Annapolis Show and they seemed to have plenty of 
> satisfied cruising customers.  Maybe others could weigh in if they’ve had 
> experience.
> Chuck Gilchrest 
> S/V Half Magic
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 6, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> Listers,
>> 
>> I just took my genoa off the forestay for the winter and it looks like, 
>> after 13 seasons, well... how do I put this
>> 
>> “She’s dead, Jim.”
>> 
>> So now I’m in the market for a new 135 cruising headsail, with RF tape, 
>> draft stripes, sun cover on the leech and foot, and sail numbers. 
>> 
>> Given that I don’t race the Enterprise any more, I don’t need any super 
>> laminates, but I’d like something not too heavy. Really just something that 
>> will get me where I need to go, be it a daysail, an overnighter or a C 
>> Rendezvous. 
>> 
>> And, oh yeah, no bank breaking. 
>> 
>> Any recommendations? Are those overseas outfits like Far East any good? 
>> 
>> All the best, 
>> 
>> Edd
>> 
>> ---
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Captain of the Starship Enterprise 
>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY
>> www.StarshipSailing.com 
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Re: Stus-List Update to "How long owned a C"

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Thanks Don for this.  Grenadine is berthed at Chatfield Reservoir, CO.  I’ve 
owned her for three years, bought her in January 2016.  I’m a member and past 
commodore of Colorado Sail & Yacht Club (CSYC).  I’ve been sailing for eight 
years.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Oct 4, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> This is an update to the spread sheet (attached) from the replies to Jack's 
> request, in which I have added emails addresses.
> 
> Please let me know by email, if you want to make corrections to the list.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Don Kern
> Fireball - 12708
> 1974 C 35 Mk2
> Bristol, RI 02809
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Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C Rendezvous

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Rick,

Any other time, I would — I’ll be out west on a business trip. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 






On Oct 10, 2018, at 11:14 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
wrote:

You know, Edd, that if you time the trip around NYC right it is only about 4 
hours down I95 from NYC to Annapolis.
 
Come on, don’t you need a weekend away from the stress of the big city?
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 3:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Edd Schillay mailto:e...@schillay.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C Rendezvous
 
So it looks like Josh Muckley’s rendezvous is going to be well-attended by 
C’ers — many more than we had over the last few years up here in the 
Northeast. 
 
I’m trying to be happy for him, but it feels more like this:
 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r86k6e592h8d3bg/muckley.png?dl=0 
 
 
Have fun, guys — and enjoy the swag. 

All the best,
 
Edd
 
 
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
 



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Re: Stus-List C 26' or 27'?

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Great point... poor choice of words there! 
I’m leaning toward the 26!
Chris 


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As a potential investment 
 
  
 
Neither!
 
  
 
Boats are not investments.  We have spent at least double on each of our last 
three boats than they are or were worth and that is likely an understatement.  
On top of what you spend for the boat and to upgrade and maintain it you will 
have insurance, docking /mooring fees, winter storage, etc ….
 
  
 
That said less TLC with a properly working Yanmar may be the better choice,  In 
terms of sailing likely the 27
 
  
 
Mike
 
Halifax, NS
 
  
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Chris Graham 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 8:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chris Graham
Subject: Stus-List C 26' or 27'?
 
  
 
Good morning all!
 
  
 
I know this is such a general and subjective question but it is one that I am 
currently faced with. Imagine two boats, the 26' and the 27' both in the same 
ball park in terms of price, the 26' is a bit newer, the 27' is a 1974. 
 
  
 
Looking for a nice coastal cruiser and overnighter on the Maine coast as my 
blue water days are probably over. I have two teenaged daughters so I so need a 
bit of space aboard. The 26' has a 10.5 beam and good headroom, the 27' I 
believe is 8.5? Good headroom and dinette set up.
 
  
 
I wont get into too many details but the 27 needs a bit more TLC but for sake 
of argument, let's say they are of similar quality. Majot different is that the 
26' has a Yanmar SB8 and the 27 an A4 with a bit of a cooling issue (perhaps 
stemming form the water jacket?).
 
  
 
As a potential investment, which model would you recommend and why? I have had 
several friends steer me toward the 27 as they felt that there is no market for 
a fat 26'er?!!?! Really? IS the 27' a safer bet? Better choice for what I am 
looking for or better when it comes to resale (possibly)? 
 
  
 
Any specifics on sailing characteristics and how the two might match up? The 
27' needs a rudder rebuild which I have done once and am comfortable doing so 
Im not too scared about that, but it is a major repair that should be fixed 
sooner than later. winches were stiff and would need attention...also had a 
hank on Jib where the 26 has roller furling headsail. No MSD tank in the 27', 
the 26' is ready to go. 
 
  
 
Curious what the consensus might be in the group and any comments or 
suggestions would be greatly appreciated and helpful.
 
  
 
Thanks so much
 
Chris
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Re: Stus-List C 26' or 27'?

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

As a potential investment

Neither!

Boats are not investments.  We have spent at least double on each of our last 
three boats than they are or were worth and that is likely an understatement.  
On top of what you spend for the boat and to upgrade and maintain it you will 
have insurance, docking /mooring fees, winter storage, etc ….

That said less TLC with a properly working Yanmar may be the better choice,  In 
terms of sailing likely the 27

Mike
Halifax, NS

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chris Graham 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 8:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chris Graham
Subject: Stus-List C 26' or 27'?

Good morning all!

I know this is such a general and subjective question but it is one that I am 
currently faced with. Imagine two boats, the 26' and the 27' both in the same 
ball park in terms of price, the 26' is a bit newer, the 27' is a 1974.

Looking for a nice coastal cruiser and overnighter on the Maine coast as my 
blue water days are probably over. I have two teenaged daughters so I so need a 
bit of space aboard. The 26' has a 10.5 beam and good headroom, the 27' I 
believe is 8.5? Good headroom and dinette set up.

I wont get into too many details but the 27 needs a bit more TLC but for sake 
of argument, let's say they are of similar quality. Majot different is that the 
26' has a Yanmar SB8 and the 27 an A4 with a bit of a cooling issue (perhaps 
stemming form the water jacket?).

As a potential investment, which model would you recommend and why? I have had 
several friends steer me toward the 27 as they felt that there is no market for 
a fat 26'er?!!?! Really? IS the 27' a safer bet? Better choice for what I am 
looking for or better when it comes to resale (possibly)?

Any specifics on sailing characteristics and how the two might match up? The 
27' needs a rudder rebuild which I have done once and am comfortable doing so 
Im not too scared about that, but it is a major repair that should be fixed 
sooner than later. winches were stiff and would need attention...also had a 
hank on Jib where the 26 has roller furling headsail. No MSD tank in the 27', 
the 26' is ready to go.

Curious what the consensus might be in the group and any comments or 
suggestions would be greatly appreciated and helpful.

Thanks so much
Chris
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Re: Stus-List C 26' or 27'?

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Thank you Rick! 


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FWIW, there is a nice 30-1 in my marina here in Washington, NC that could be 
bought for between $5K and $6K. Add another $3k or so, and it could be brought 
to someplace like Newport for you to pick up and bring to Maine. The owner has 
health issues and is only interested in selling the boat quickly. The boat is 
on really good shape, and does not appear to need much TLC. Though you might 
want to upgrade items as you go along.

  

Email me off list if you might be interested in more information.

  

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

  

  

  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chris Graham 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 7:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chris Graham 
Subject: Stus-List C 26' or 27'?

  

Good morning all!

  

I know this is such a general and subjective question but it is one that I am 
currently faced with. Imagine two boats, the 26' and the 27' both in the same 
ball park in terms of price, the 26' is a bit newer, the 27' is a 1974. 

  

Looking for a nice coastal cruiser and overnighter on the Maine coast as my 
blue water days are probably over. I have two teenaged daughters so I so need a 
bit of space aboard. The 26' has a 10.5 beam and good headroom, the 27' I 
believe is 8.5? Good headroom and dinette set up.

  

I wont get into too many details but the 27 needs a bit more TLC but for sake 
of argument, let's say they are of similar quality. Majot different is that the 
26' has a Yanmar SB8 and the 27 an A4 with a bit of a cooling issue (perhaps 
stemming form the water jacket?).

  

As a potential investment, which model would you recommend and why? I have had 
several friends steer me toward the 27 as they felt that there is no market for 
a fat 26'er?!!?! Really? IS the 27' a safer bet? Better choice for what I am 
looking for or better when it comes to resale (possibly)? 

  

Any specifics on sailing characteristics and how the two might match up? The 
27' needs a rudder rebuild which I have done once and am comfortable doing so 
Im not too scared about that, but it is a major repair that should be fixed 
sooner than later. winches were stiff and would need attention...also had a 
hank on Jib where the 26 has roller furling headsail. No MSD tank in the 27', 
the 26' is ready to go. 

  

Curious what the consensus might be in the group and any comments or 
suggestions would be greatly appreciated and helpful.

  

Thanks so much

Chris
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Re: Stus-List C 26' or 27'?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

FWIW, there is a nice 30-1 in my marina here in Washington, NC that could be 
bought for between $5K and $6K. Add another $3k or so, and it could be brought 
to someplace like Newport for you to pick up and bring to Maine. The owner has 
health issues and is only interested in selling the boat quickly. The boat is 
on really good shape, and does not appear to need much TLC. Though you might 
want to upgrade items as you go along.

 

Email me off list if you might be interested in more information.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chris Graham 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 7:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chris Graham 
Subject: Stus-List C 26' or 27'?

 

Good morning all!

 

I know this is such a general and subjective question but it is one that I am 
currently faced with. Imagine two boats, the 26' and the 27' both in the same 
ball park in terms of price, the 26' is a bit newer, the 27' is a 1974. 

 

Looking for a nice coastal cruiser and overnighter on the Maine coast as my 
blue water days are probably over. I have two teenaged daughters so I so need a 
bit of space aboard. The 26' has a 10.5 beam and good headroom, the 27' I 
believe is 8.5? Good headroom and dinette set up.

 

I wont get into too many details but the 27 needs a bit more TLC but for sake 
of argument, let's say they are of similar quality. Majot different is that the 
26' has a Yanmar SB8 and the 27 an A4 with a bit of a cooling issue (perhaps 
stemming form the water jacket?).

 

As a potential investment, which model would you recommend and why? I have had 
several friends steer me toward the 27 as they felt that there is no market for 
a fat 26'er?!!?! Really? IS the 27' a safer bet? Better choice for what I am 
looking for or better when it comes to resale (possibly)? 

 

Any specifics on sailing characteristics and how the two might match up? The 
27' needs a rudder rebuild which I have done once and am comfortable doing so 
Im not too scared about that, but it is a major repair that should be fixed 
sooner than later. winches were stiff and would need attention...also had a 
hank on Jib where the 26 has roller furling headsail. No MSD tank in the 27', 
the 26' is ready to go. 

 

Curious what the consensus might be in the group and any comments or 
suggestions would be greatly appreciated and helpful.

 

Thanks so much

Chris

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Re: Stus-List Refinishing table and sole...

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

David,

I used epiphanes matt finish on my new sole.  if you're around this 
weekend, come by and have a look at the results.  I'm very pleased!  The 
only issue is it makes the areas I did not address look even more awful!


Danny

On 10/10/2018 10:57 AM, nateflesness via CnC-List wrote:

They look nice sprayed brass/gold, though
You have to retouch in a couple of years.

Nate
Sarah Jean
1980 30-1.



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From: David via CnC-List 
Date: 10/10/18 8:24 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: CNC CNC 
Cc: David 
Subject: Stus-List Refinishing table and sole...

So I am refinishing the table and have removed the aluminum corner 
pieces to re-paint.   As the original paint is in fairly good shape 
with only bits of bare aluminum, still need primer? Preferred top coat 
paint?


And I know this subject has been beaten to death.  Sorry, but a 
varnish recommendation for cabin sole?




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Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C Rendezvous

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Sounds like a personal problem, Fred. Snow, after all, should be an optional 
activity.

 

And be sure to talk to me about your calendar for early December when I see you 
on Saturday. I may have an option to snow you’d be interested in.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 3:56 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C Rendezvous

 

There are hundreds of C on the upper Great Lakes; dozens in just my marina.  
We’ve never had a rendezvous; this time of year, we’re all hurrying to get the 
boats put away before the snow flies…

 

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI





 

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Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C Rendezvous

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

You know, Edd, that if you time the trip around NYC right it is only about 4 
hours down I95 from NYC to Annapolis.

 

Come on, don’t you need a weekend away from the stress of the big city?

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 3:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C Rendezvous

 

So it looks like Josh Muckley’s rendezvous is going to be well-attended by 
C’ers — many more than we had over the last few years up here in the 
Northeast. 

 

I’m trying to be happy for him, but it feels more like this:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/r86k6e592h8d3bg/muckley.png?dl=0 

 

Have fun, guys — and enjoy the swag. 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log  

 






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Re: Stus-List Refinishing table and sole...

[nateflesness via CnC-List]

They look nice sprayed brass/gold, thoughYou have to retouch in a couple of 
years.
NateSarah Jean1980 30-1.


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 Date: 10/10/18  8:24 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: CNC CNC 
 Cc: David  Subject: Stus-List 
Refinishing table and sole... 


So I am refinishing the table and have removed the aluminum corner pieces to 
re-paint.   As the original paint is in fairly good shape with only bits of 
bare aluminum, still need primer?  Preferred top coat paint?







And I know this subject has been beaten to death.  Sorry, but a varnish 
recommendation for cabin sole?
















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Stream
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] FX Sails -- Any Good?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I would look local first.
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:09 AM
To: John via CnC-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List FX Sails -- Any Good?

Listers,

Anyone have any experience with FX sails? Good or Bad?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log


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Stus-List FX Sails -- Any Good?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

Anyone have any experience with FX sails? Good or Bad? 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List padwheel issues

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

What Ed says. 

I never leave Touché’s paddle wheel in. Only put it in when we go sailing. 

Dennis C.

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> On Oct 10, 2018, at 8:34 AM, Edward Levert via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan
> 
> You should have a plug which allows you to remove the transducer with the 
> boat in the water. Simple process of pulling the transducer and inserting the 
> plug. If done quickly, you might let 2 cups of water in. Will need a person 
> spinning the paddle and one looking at the instrument.
> 
> Ed Levert
> C 34 Briar Patch
> New Orleans
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 8:30 AM Dan via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> Thanks guys.
>> Difficult to get the padwheel moving when the boat is in the slip and 
>> there's no current lol.
>> I can try sticking my outboard motor in front of the boat and gunning it to 
>> get the water flowing... or I can get in the dinghy and try to reach under 
>> to spin the wheel manually...
>> 
>> Before I do that - I have a digital readout of my NMEA 0183 sentences so I 
>> can analyze the readouts line by line. I don't even have a readout for 
>> "0.0.0" on the speed (or any speed data at all) I'm wonderring IF the 
>> padweel isn't turning, it will literally give back NO data / sentences at 
>> all? not even a "0.0.0"?
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 9:58 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I also had a paddlewheel issue caused by bottom paint.  I did not discover 
>>> the nature of the problem was until the boat was out of the water.
>>>  
>>> From: Edward Levert via CnC-List
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 8:50 AM
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Cc: Edward Levert
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List padwheel issues
>>>  
>>> Dan
>>>  
>>> The paddle wheel needs to spin to get a reading. I have an Airmar 
>>> transducer for the ST 60. It stopped giving speed readings even though the 
>>> paddle was clean and rotated easily. A new paddle solved the issue. My 
>>> guess is that the build up of bottom paint was blocking the impulse signal 
>>> the paddle creates. Perhaps scrapping the paddle free of paint might solve 
>>> your problem.
>>>  
>>> Ed Levert
>>> C 34 Briar Patch
>>> New Orleans
>>>  
 On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:39 AM Dan via CnC-List  
 wrote:
 Hi all, I have a ST850 Airmar speed/temperature transducer that I'm trying 
 to get working (again) with my new equipment. I'm pretty sure the issue is 
 with the wiring so if any of you have this transducer maybe you know where 
 I'm going wrong?
  
 ***My ST850 is from 2006 so I'm pretty sure it's not the "smart sensor" 
 one that is supposed to output NMEA2000 sentences directly.
  
 With my old system ONLY the green wire was hooked up to a B nav computer 
 and the black and shield were connected to ground. (no temperature data)
  
 I've got:
 GREEN to Speed Pulse IN (not sure what "pulse" is ecactly)
 Black, and Shield to Ground IN
 Red to Speed Voltage IN
 Yellow/Red Stripe to Temp IN
 Brown to nothing
  
 With this configuration I'm getting Temperature NMEA sentences, but no 
 Speed. Anyone know where I'm going wrong? Does the padwheel have to be 
 turning to get speed sentences?
  
 Dan
 Breakaweigh
 C
 Halifax, NS
  
  
  
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Stus-List padwheel issues

[robert via CnC-List]

Dan:

If I understand you correctly, your speed instrument (digital) is not 
showing even a "0.00" when your turn it on.  If that is the case, your 
issue is probably not the padwheel.    My old Signet knot meter (34 
years) reads 0.00 when the padwheel is not spinningit reads 0.00 as 
soon as I turn on the instrument.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 8:30 AM Dan via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Thanks guys.
Difficult to get the padwheel moving when the boat is in the slip
and there's no current lol.
I can try sticking my outboard motor in front of the boat and
gunning it to get the water flowing... or I can get in the dinghy
and try to reach under to spin the wheel manually...

Before I do that - I have a digital readout of my NMEA 0183
sentences so I can analyze the readouts line by line. I don't even
have a readout for "0.0.0" on the speed (or any speed data at all)
I'm wonderring IF the padweel isn't turning, it will literally
give back NO data / sentences at all? not even a "0.0.0"?

Dan



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Re: Stus-List padwheel issues

[Edward Levert via CnC-List]

Dan

You should have a plug which allows you to remove the transducer with the
boat in the water. Simple process of pulling the transducer and inserting
the plug. If done quickly, you might let 2 cups of water in. Will need a
person spinning the paddle and one looking at the instrument.

Ed Levert
C 34 Briar Patch
New Orleans

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 8:30 AM Dan via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Thanks guys.
> Difficult to get the padwheel moving when the boat is in the slip and
> there's no current lol.
> I can try sticking my outboard motor in front of the boat and gunning it
> to get the water flowing... or I can get in the dinghy and try to reach
> under to spin the wheel manually...
>
> Before I do that - I have a digital readout of my NMEA 0183 sentences so I
> can analyze the readouts line by line. I don't even have a readout for
> "0.0.0" on the speed (or any speed data at all) I'm wonderring IF the
> padweel isn't turning, it will literally give back NO data / sentences at
> all? not even a "0.0.0"?
>
> Dan
>
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 9:58 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I also had a paddlewheel issue caused by bottom paint.  I did not
>> discover the nature of the problem was until the boat was out of the water.
>>
>> *From:* Edward Levert via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 10, 2018 8:50 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Edward Levert 
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List padwheel issues
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> The paddle wheel needs to spin to get a reading. I have an Airmar
>> transducer for the ST 60. It stopped giving speed readings even though the
>> paddle was clean and rotated easily. A new paddle solved the issue. My
>> guess is that the build up of bottom paint was blocking the impulse signal
>> the paddle creates. Perhaps scrapping the paddle free of paint might solve
>> your problem.
>>
>> Ed Levert
>> C 34 Briar Patch
>> New Orleans
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:39 AM Dan via CnC-List 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I have a ST850 Airmar speed/temperature transducer that I'm
>>> trying to get working (again) with my new equipment. I'm pretty sure the
>>> issue is with the wiring so if any of you have this transducer maybe you
>>> know where I'm going wrong?
>>>
>>> ***My ST850 is from 2006 so I'm pretty sure it's not the "smart sensor"
>>> one that is supposed to output NMEA2000 sentences directly.
>>>
>>> With my old system ONLY the green wire was hooked up to a B nav
>>> computer and the black and shield were connected to ground. (no temperature
>>> data)
>>>
>>> I've got:
>>> GREEN to Speed Pulse IN (not sure what "pulse" is ecactly)
>>> Black, and Shield to Ground IN
>>> Red to Speed Voltage IN
>>> Yellow/Red Stripe to Temp IN
>>> Brown to nothing
>>>
>>> With this configuration I'm getting Temperature NMEA sentences, but no
>>> Speed. Anyone know where I'm going wrong? Does the padwheel have to be
>>> turning to get speed sentences?
>>>
>>> Dan
>>> Breakaweigh
>>> C
>>> Halifax, NS
>>>
>>>
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Re: Stus-List padwheel issues

[Dan via CnC-List]

Thanks guys.
Difficult to get the padwheel moving when the boat is in the slip and
there's no current lol.
I can try sticking my outboard motor in front of the boat and gunning it to
get the water flowing... or I can get in the dinghy and try to reach under
to spin the wheel manually...

Before I do that - I have a digital readout of my NMEA 0183 sentences so I
can analyze the readouts line by line. I don't even have a readout for
"0.0.0" on the speed (or any speed data at all) I'm wonderring IF the
padweel isn't turning, it will literally give back NO data / sentences at
all? not even a "0.0.0"?

Dan

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 9:58 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I also had a paddlewheel issue caused by bottom paint.  I did not discover
> the nature of the problem was until the boat was out of the water.
>
> *From:* Edward Levert via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 10, 2018 8:50 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Edward Levert 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List padwheel issues
>
> Dan
>
> The paddle wheel needs to spin to get a reading. I have an Airmar
> transducer for the ST 60. It stopped giving speed readings even though the
> paddle was clean and rotated easily. A new paddle solved the issue. My
> guess is that the build up of bottom paint was blocking the impulse signal
> the paddle creates. Perhaps scrapping the paddle free of paint might solve
> your problem.
>
> Ed Levert
> C 34 Briar Patch
> New Orleans
>
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:39 AM Dan via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, I have a ST850 Airmar speed/temperature transducer that I'm
>> trying to get working (again) with my new equipment. I'm pretty sure the
>> issue is with the wiring so if any of you have this transducer maybe you
>> know where I'm going wrong?
>>
>> ***My ST850 is from 2006 so I'm pretty sure it's not the "smart sensor"
>> one that is supposed to output NMEA2000 sentences directly.
>>
>> With my old system ONLY the green wire was hooked up to a B nav
>> computer and the black and shield were connected to ground. (no temperature
>> data)
>>
>> I've got:
>> GREEN to Speed Pulse IN (not sure what "pulse" is ecactly)
>> Black, and Shield to Ground IN
>> Red to Speed Voltage IN
>> Yellow/Red Stripe to Temp IN
>> Brown to nothing
>>
>> With this configuration I'm getting Temperature NMEA sentences, but no
>> Speed. Anyone know where I'm going wrong? Does the padwheel have to be
>> turning to get speed sentences?
>>
>> Dan
>> Breakaweigh
>> C
>> Halifax, NS
>>
>>
>>
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Stus-List Refinishing table and sole...

[David via CnC-List]

So I am refinishing the table and have removed the aluminum corner pieces to 
re-paint.   As the original paint is in fairly good shape with only bits of 
bare aluminum, still need primer?  Preferred top coat paint?

And I know this subject has been beaten to death.  Sorry, but a varnish 
recommendation for cabin sole?




David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650

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Re: Stus-List padwheel issues

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I also had a paddlewheel issue caused by bottom paint.  I did not discover the 
nature of the problem was until the boat was out of the water.

From: Edward Levert via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 8:50 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Edward Levert 
Subject: Re: Stus-List padwheel issues

Dan

The paddle wheel needs to spin to get a reading. I have an Airmar transducer 
for the ST 60. It stopped giving speed readings even though the paddle was 
clean and rotated easily. A new paddle solved the issue. My guess is that the 
build up of bottom paint was blocking the impulse signal the paddle creates. 
Perhaps scrapping the paddle free of paint might solve your problem.

Ed Levert
C 34 Briar Patch
New Orleans

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:39 AM Dan via CnC-List  wrote:

  Hi all, I have a ST850 Airmar speed/temperature transducer that I'm trying to 
get working (again) with my new equipment. I'm pretty sure the issue is with 
the wiring so if any of you have this transducer maybe you know where I'm going 
wrong?


  ***My ST850 is from 2006 so I'm pretty sure it's not the "smart sensor" one 
that is supposed to output NMEA2000 sentences directly.

  With my old system ONLY the green wire was hooked up to a B nav computer 
and the black and shield were connected to ground. (no temperature data)

  I've got:
  GREEN to Speed Pulse IN (not sure what "pulse" is ecactly)

  Black, and Shield to Ground IN

  Red to Speed Voltage IN
  Yellow/Red Stripe to Temp IN
  Brown to nothing

  With this configuration I'm getting Temperature NMEA sentences, but no Speed. 
Anyone know where I'm going wrong? Does the padwheel have to be turning to get 
speed sentences?


  Dan
  Breakaweigh
  C
  Halifax, NS




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Re: Stus-List padwheel issues

[Edward Levert via CnC-List]

Dan

The paddle wheel needs to spin to get a reading. I have an Airmar
transducer for the ST 60. It stopped giving speed readings even though the
paddle was clean and rotated easily. A new paddle solved the issue. My
guess is that the build up of bottom paint was blocking the impulse signal
the paddle creates. Perhaps scrapping the paddle free of paint might solve
your problem.

Ed Levert
C 34 Briar Patch
New Orleans

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:39 AM Dan via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hi all, I have a ST850 Airmar speed/temperature transducer that I'm trying
> to get working (again) with my new equipment. I'm pretty sure the issue is
> with the wiring so if any of you have this transducer maybe you know where
> I'm going wrong?
>
> ***My ST850 is from 2006 so I'm pretty sure it's not the "smart sensor"
> one that is supposed to output NMEA2000 sentences directly.
>
> With my old system ONLY the green wire was hooked up to a B nav computer
> and the black and shield were connected to ground. (no temperature data)
>
> I've got:
> GREEN to Speed Pulse IN (not sure what "pulse" is ecactly)
> Black, and Shield to Ground IN
> Red to Speed Voltage IN
> Yellow/Red Stripe to Temp IN
> Brown to nothing
>
> With this configuration I'm getting Temperature NMEA sentences, but no
> Speed. Anyone know where I'm going wrong? Does the padwheel have to be
> turning to get speed sentences?
>
> Dan
> Breakaweigh
> C
> Halifax, NS
>
>
>
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Stus-List padwheel issues

[Dan via CnC-List]

Hi all, I have a ST850 Airmar speed/temperature transducer that I'm trying
to get working (again) with my new equipment. I'm pretty sure the issue is
with the wiring so if any of you have this transducer maybe you know where
I'm going wrong?

***My ST850 is from 2006 so I'm pretty sure it's not the "smart sensor" one
that is supposed to output NMEA2000 sentences directly.

With my old system ONLY the green wire was hooked up to a B nav computer
and the black and shield were connected to ground. (no temperature data)

I've got:
GREEN to Speed Pulse IN (not sure what "pulse" is ecactly)
Black, and Shield to Ground IN
Red to Speed Voltage IN
Yellow/Red Stripe to Temp IN
Brown to nothing

With this configuration I'm getting Temperature NMEA sentences, but no
Speed. Anyone know where I'm going wrong? Does the padwheel have to be
turning to get speed sentences?

Dan
Breakaweigh
C
Halifax, NS
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Stus-List Dacron RF Grnoa

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Looking for a dacron 135% RF dacron genoa in good condition that would fit a
C 33 Mk 2 or a C 99.  I 46' J 13'.  Respond to strig...@eastlink.ca
  so we don't burden anyone else with
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Stus-List C 26' or 27'?

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Good morning all!
I know this is such a general and subjective question but it is one that I am 
currently faced with. Imagine two boats, the 26' and the 27' both in the same 
ball park in terms of price, the 26' is a bit newer, the 27' is a 1974. 
Looking for a nice coastal cruiser and overnighter on the Maine coast as my 
blue water days are probably over. I have two teenaged daughters so I so need a 
bit of space aboard. The 26' has a 10.5 beam and good headroom, the 27' I 
believe is 8.5? Good headroom and dinette set up.
I wont get into too many details but the 27 needs a bit more TLC but for sake 
of argument, let's say they are of similar quality. Majot different is that the 
26' has a Yanmar SB8 and the 27 an A4 with a bit of a cooling issue (perhaps 
stemming form the water jacket?).
As a potential investment, which model would you recommend and why? I have had 
several friends steer me toward the 27 as they felt that there is no market for 
a fat 26'er?!!?! Really? IS the 27' a safer bet? Better choice for what I am 
looking for or better when it comes to resale (possibly)? 
Any specifics on sailing characteristics and how the two might match up? The 
27' needs a rudder rebuild which I have done once and am comfortable doing so 
Im not too scared about that, but it is a major repair that should be fixed 
sooner than later. winches were stiff and would need attention...also had a 
hank on Jib where the 26 has roller furling headsail. No MSD tank in the 27', 
the 26' is ready to go. 
Curious what the consensus might be in the group and any comments or 
suggestions would be greatly appreciated and helpful.
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Re: Stus-List New Genoa?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

That would be a bad idea. A 170 would be made out of light cloth and would be 
ruined in heavy air. Also you can only roll in so far and have a decent sail.
IMHO for cruising most of our boats, a furling jib in the 130%-140% range and 
an asym chute are a good combo.
Besides for that, between paying for a recut and the sacrificial sun cover, you 
will be in for a lot of money for a very suboptimal sail.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Cleverboy 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 6:14 PM
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Cc: Cleverboy 
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: New Genoa?

My 73 C 30 mk1 came with a 170 also. I thought it might be possible to have 
it cut when I get the furling hardware. It is a handful to fold on the deck and 
get back into the bag.

Charles Ferrari
Destrier
C 30 mk1
Bronx, NY
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