Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Edward M. Corrado]

Hi Sibyl,

I'd love Burlington. It might not be warm but there is a lot of good
winter activities. However, It is probably too late for this year to
find out what the costs, etc. are, but if you want to put a proposal
for 2012, count me in.

Edward

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Sibyl Schaefer  wrote:
> Anyone interested in Burlington, Vt.? If I had some help (and the
> deadline extended a couple days) I'd be willing to throw in the hat.
>
> Sibyl Schaefer
> University of Vermont
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Meireles, Vanessa  
> wrote:
>> Miami is also very expensive, it's considered top 3 now in the most 
>> expensive places to live, plus I must add that Feb is also our high season 
>> which means hotel rates and airfares are more than double the usual rates.   
>> We also have a poor public transportation system... sorry, unless someone 
>> else in Florida can host the conference.
>>
>> Vanessa Meireles
>> v.meire...@miami.edu
>> Computer Programmer,
>> Information Mgmt & Systems and Digital Initiatives
>>
>> University of Miami Richter Library
>> Coral Gables, FL  33124-0320
>> URL:  http://www.library.miami.edu/
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of 
>> Fleming, Declan
>> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:24 PM
>> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
>>
>> Hiya - San Diego is friggin expensive, and we don't have a small campus feel 
>> at all.  Robert McDonald and I worked out the costs a few years ago and we'd 
>> be almost double what Asheville conf cost folks.
>>
>> It's killing me not to have you all out to paradise in Feb, but I can barely 
>> afford to live here :)
>>
>> D
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of 
>> Walter Lewis
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:21 AM
>> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
>>
>> On 3 Mar 10, at 9:52 AM, Julia Bauder wrote:
>>
>>> Also, the farther north we go, the more likely that snow+airplane
>>> incompatibilities will foil speakers' (and attendees'!) travel plans at the
>>> last minute, which isn't fun for anyone.
>>>
>>> somewhere_out_of_nor'easter_and_lake_effect_range_in_february++
>>
>> Actually there is a clear line (at least on the eastern half of the 
>> continent) where the further north you go, the *less* snow you got this.  
>> Buffalo is trailing a number of places on the east coast in total snow 
>> accumulation and Toronto has been dusted a few times this winter, with 
>> nothing of real substance.  Detroit and Chicago were well below seasonal 
>> averages last time I checked.
>>
>> ALL of that said,  where are the San Diego gang or the folks from Miami?
>>
>> Walter
>>  who can only dream of pubs with open patios in February
>>
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Sibyl Schaefer]

Anyone interested in Burlington, Vt.? If I had some help (and the
deadline extended a couple days) I'd be willing to throw in the hat.

Sibyl Schaefer
University of Vermont

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Meireles, Vanessa  wrote:
> Miami is also very expensive, it's considered top 3 now in the most expensive 
> places to live, plus I must add that Feb is also our high season which means 
> hotel rates and airfares are more than double the usual rates.   We also have 
> a poor public transportation system... sorry, unless someone else in Florida 
> can host the conference.
>
> Vanessa Meireles
> v.meire...@miami.edu
> Computer Programmer,
> Information Mgmt & Systems and Digital Initiatives
>
> University of Miami Richter Library
> Coral Gables, FL  33124-0320
> URL:  http://www.library.miami.edu/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of 
> Fleming, Declan
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:24 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
>
> Hiya - San Diego is friggin expensive, and we don't have a small campus feel 
> at all.  Robert McDonald and I worked out the costs a few years ago and we'd 
> be almost double what Asheville conf cost folks.
>
> It's killing me not to have you all out to paradise in Feb, but I can barely 
> afford to live here :)
>
> D
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of 
> Walter Lewis
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:21 AM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
>
> On 3 Mar 10, at 9:52 AM, Julia Bauder wrote:
>
>> Also, the farther north we go, the more likely that snow+airplane
>> incompatibilities will foil speakers' (and attendees'!) travel plans at the
>> last minute, which isn't fun for anyone.
>>
>> somewhere_out_of_nor'easter_and_lake_effect_range_in_february++
>
> Actually there is a clear line (at least on the eastern half of the 
> continent) where the further north you go, the *less* snow you got this.  
> Buffalo is trailing a number of places on the east coast in total snow 
> accumulation and Toronto has been dusted a few times this winter, with 
> nothing of real substance.  Detroit and Chicago were well below seasonal 
> averages last time I checked.
>
> ALL of that said,  where are the San Diego gang or the folks from Miami?
>
> Walter
>  who can only dream of pubs with open patios in February
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Meireles, Vanessa]

Miami is also very expensive, it's considered top 3 now in the most expensive 
places to live, plus I must add that Feb is also our high season which means 
hotel rates and airfares are more than double the usual rates.   We also have a 
poor public transportation system... sorry, unless someone else in Florida can 
host the conference.

Vanessa Meireles
v.meire...@miami.edu
Computer Programmer, 
Information Mgmt & Systems and Digital Initiatives

University of Miami Richter Library
Coral Gables, FL  33124-0320
URL:  http://www.library.miami.edu/


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of 
Fleming, Declan
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:24 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

Hiya - San Diego is friggin expensive, and we don't have a small campus feel at 
all.  Robert McDonald and I worked out the costs a few years ago and we'd be 
almost double what Asheville conf cost folks.

It's killing me not to have you all out to paradise in Feb, but I can barely 
afford to live here :)

D

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Walter 
Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:21 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

On 3 Mar 10, at 9:52 AM, Julia Bauder wrote:

> Also, the farther north we go, the more likely that snow+airplane
> incompatibilities will foil speakers' (and attendees'!) travel plans at the
> last minute, which isn't fun for anyone.
> 
> somewhere_out_of_nor'easter_and_lake_effect_range_in_february++

Actually there is a clear line (at least on the eastern half of the continent) 
where the further north you go, the *less* snow you got this.  Buffalo is 
trailing a number of places on the east coast in total snow accumulation and 
Toronto has been dusted a few times this winter, with nothing of real 
substance.  Detroit and Chicago were well below seasonal averages last time I 
checked.

ALL of that said,  where are the San Diego gang or the folks from Miami?

Walter
  who can only dream of pubs with open patios in February

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Fleming, Declan]

Hiya - San Diego is friggin expensive, and we don't have a small campus feel at 
all.  Robert McDonald and I worked out the costs a few years ago and we'd be 
almost double what Asheville conf cost folks.

It's killing me not to have you all out to paradise in Feb, but I can barely 
afford to live here :)

D

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Walter 
Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:21 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

On 3 Mar 10, at 9:52 AM, Julia Bauder wrote:

> Also, the farther north we go, the more likely that snow+airplane
> incompatibilities will foil speakers' (and attendees'!) travel plans at the
> last minute, which isn't fun for anyone.
> 
> somewhere_out_of_nor'easter_and_lake_effect_range_in_february++

Actually there is a clear line (at least on the eastern half of the continent) 
where the further north you go, the *less* snow you got this.  Buffalo is 
trailing a number of places on the east coast in total snow accumulation and 
Toronto has been dusted a few times this winter, with nothing of real 
substance.  Detroit and Chicago were well below seasonal averages last time I 
checked.

ALL of that said,  where are the San Diego gang or the folks from Miami?

Walter
  who can only dream of pubs with open patios in February

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Mehrling, Martin]

I can't see why III would want to have anything to do with this conference.  I 
think most of us who attend the conference are open-source types, and are 
trying to do things beyond what we could do with the vendors (who are 
risk-averse and profit-oriented.)  If III wants to be truly innovative, they 
should send a technical person (not a sales person) to this conference.


Martin 


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Cary 
Gordon
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 9:37 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

I could say you're a dreamer, but you're not the only one.

The reality is that III sees their APIs as gold mines that they can
market to a captive audience. For example, their patron API -- a
simple web interface to patron records -- probably cost them much less
to develop than they get for a single license. Don't look for them to
actually get off of that anytime soon.

Koha might motivate them to bump there FUD generating budget, but
that's about it.

Cary

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Esme Cowles  wrote:
> After seeing some of the cool things people can do with other ILS's and how 
> negative developers are about III, there's always the chance they might 
> decide to open up a bit more and engage with code4lib types (we can always 
> dream).
>
> And if that doesn't work, maybe the Ian Walls' talk (Becoming Truly 
> Innovative: Migrating from Millennium to Koha) will motivate them...
>
> -Esme
> --
> Esme Cowles 
>
> "They extend copyrights perpetually. They don't get how that in itself is a
>  form of theft." -- Lawrence Lessig, Free Culture
>
> On Mar 4, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Jill Ellern wrote:
>
>> We tried to get some of the ILS's interested...with little success.  But how 
>> knows...I did some heavy promotion to III this year...(despite the many 
>> "--"s, she promised to talk to headquarters) so perhaps they might help some 
>> next year...
>>
>> Jill
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Paul 
>> Joseph
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:56 AM
>> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
>>
>> No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who
>> sponsored C4L10.
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Ya'aqov Ziso  wrote:
>>
>>>  also, I can assure you that to help keep registration fees low we'll
>>> be
>>> leaning on our vendors ...
>>> =
>>> Who would be these vendors? Seems CODE4LIB (bringing in creative, leading
>>> edge, OpenSource ideas where ILS have monolithically reigned) are the bad
>>> dream of ILS vendors. WorldCat DeveNet/Research may make an exception, but
>>> will it be $ufficient?
>>> Ya¹aqov
>>>
>



-- 
Cary Gordon
The Cherry Hill Company
http://chillco.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Cary Gordon]

I could say you're a dreamer, but you're not the only one.

The reality is that III sees their APIs as gold mines that they can
market to a captive audience. For example, their patron API -- a
simple web interface to patron records -- probably cost them much less
to develop than they get for a single license. Don't look for them to
actually get off of that anytime soon.

Koha might motivate them to bump there FUD generating budget, but
that's about it.

Cary

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Esme Cowles  wrote:
> After seeing some of the cool things people can do with other ILS's and how 
> negative developers are about III, there's always the chance they might 
> decide to open up a bit more and engage with code4lib types (we can always 
> dream).
>
> And if that doesn't work, maybe the Ian Walls' talk (Becoming Truly 
> Innovative: Migrating from Millennium to Koha) will motivate them...
>
> -Esme
> --
> Esme Cowles 
>
> "They extend copyrights perpetually. They don't get how that in itself is a
>  form of theft." -- Lawrence Lessig, Free Culture
>
> On Mar 4, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Jill Ellern wrote:
>
>> We tried to get some of the ILS's interested...with little success.  But how 
>> knows...I did some heavy promotion to III this year...(despite the many 
>> "--"s, she promised to talk to headquarters) so perhaps they might help some 
>> next year...
>>
>> Jill
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Paul 
>> Joseph
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:56 AM
>> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
>>
>> No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who
>> sponsored C4L10.
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Ya'aqov Ziso  wrote:
>>
>>>  also, I can assure you that to help keep registration fees low we'll
>>> be
>>> leaning on our vendors ...
>>> =
>>> Who would be these vendors? Seems CODE4LIB (bringing in creative, leading
>>> edge, OpenSource ideas where ILS have monolithically reigned) are the bad
>>> dream of ILS vendors. WorldCat DeveNet/Research may make an exception, but
>>> will it be $ufficient?
>>> Ya¹aqov
>>>
>



-- 
Cary Gordon
The Cherry Hill Company
http://chillco.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Esme Cowles]

After seeing some of the cool things people can do with other ILS's and how 
negative developers are about III, there's always the chance they might decide 
to open up a bit more and engage with code4lib types (we can always dream).

And if that doesn't work, maybe the Ian Walls' talk (Becoming Truly Innovative: 
Migrating from Millennium to Koha) will motivate them...

-Esme
--
Esme Cowles 

"They extend copyrights perpetually. They don't get how that in itself is a
 form of theft." -- Lawrence Lessig, Free Culture

On Mar 4, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Jill Ellern wrote:

> We tried to get some of the ILS's interested...with little success.  But how 
> knows...I did some heavy promotion to III this year...(despite the many 
> "--"s, she promised to talk to headquarters) so perhaps they might help some 
> next year...
> 
> Jill 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Paul 
> Joseph
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:56 AM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
> 
> No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who
> sponsored C4L10.
> Paul
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Ya'aqov Ziso  wrote:
> 
>>  also, I can assure you that to help keep registration fees low we'll
>> be
>> leaning on our vendors ...
>> =
>> Who would be these vendors? Seems CODE4LIB (bringing in creative, leading
>> edge, OpenSource ideas where ILS have monolithically reigned) are the bad
>> dream of ILS vendors. WorldCat DeveNet/Research may make an exception, but
>> will it be $ufficient?
>> Ya¹aqov
>> 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Jill Ellern]

We tried to get some of the ILS's interested...with little success.  But how 
knows...I did some heavy promotion to III this year...(despite the many "--"s, 
she promised to talk to headquarters) so perhaps they might help some next 
year...

Jill 

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Paul 
Joseph
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:56 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who
sponsored C4L10.
Paul


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Ya'aqov Ziso  wrote:

>  also, I can assure you that to help keep registration fees low we'll
> be
> leaning on our vendors ...
> =
> Who would be these vendors? Seems CODE4LIB (bringing in creative, leading
> edge, OpenSource ideas where ILS have monolithically reigned) are the bad
> dream of ILS vendors. WorldCat DeveNet/Research may make an exception, but
> will it be $ufficient?
> Ya¹aqov
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Cary Gordon]

Vancouver ++

February (so I can go) ++

Thanks,

Cary

-- 
Cary Gordon
The Cherry Hill Company
http://chillco.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Danielle Plumer]

I'm sorry to confirm that we're not working on a proposal for next year's 
Code4Lib. Due to a couple of big projects planned for next year, my coworkers 
and I won't have time to coordinate anything extra, and none of the other 
institutions in the state have expressed interest in serving as the lead on 
this. If you know developers in Texas, you could certainly try to change their 
minds...
 
However, you are all always welcome to come to Austin for SXSW Interactive!
 
Danielle Cunniff Plumer, Coordinator
Texas Heritage Online
Texas State Library and Archives Commission
512.463.5852 (phone) / 512.936.2306 (fax)
dplu...@tsl.state.tx.us



From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Michael J. Giarlo
Sent: Wed 3/3/2010 8:56 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals



A quick thread recap:

There is no proposal from the Austin folks and they have thus far not
expressed interest in hosting.  So far we've received three "intend to
propose" messages, and those are for Vancouver, New Haven, and Ithaca.

The deadline for actual hosting proposals is Friday.

Voting on hosting proposals will presumably take place in the usual
way, via Ross Singer's "el diebold-o-tron-o-matic-o," not in an e-mail
thread.

-Mike

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Meireles, Vanessa]

I don't like the idea of Ithaca either, too cold... personally I prefer 
Vancouver or Austin.

Vanessa Meireles
v.meire...@miami.edu
Computer Programmer, 
Information Mgmt & Systems and Digital Initiatives

University of Miami Richter Library
Coral Gables, FL  33124-0320
URL:  http://www.library.miami.edu/


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Ethan 
Gruber
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:36 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

Ithaca in February sounds kind of depressing, honestly.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Ma, Hong  wrote:

> Agree with Carol. Austin is good.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hong
>
> Hong Ma
> Information Systems Librarian
> Otto G. Richter Library
> University of Miami
> 1300 Memorial Dr., Rm.301-A
> Coral Gables, FL 33124
> h...@miami.edu
> (305) 284-8844
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of
> Carol Bean
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:06 AM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
>
> Snowy northern climes--
>
> Carol
> (still hoping for a bid from Austin)
>
>
>
> From:
> "Kevin S. Clarke" 
> To:
> CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Date:
> 03/03/2010 09:00 AM
> Subject:
> Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
> Sent by:
> Code for Libraries 
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira  wrote:
>
> > I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the
> planning
> > commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm
> > inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011.
>
> ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd
> love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a
> nice venue for c4l11.
>
> Kevin
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Kevin S. Clarke]

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Simon Spero  wrote:
> BTW, what was the final
> head count (assuming one head person?)

254 was the final head count.

Kevin

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Jonathan Rochkind]

If you live on the same continent as me, I'm pretty sure Asheville NC is a lot 
closer to the east coast than to the west, no?

It was, however, in West Carolina, a state I hadn't previously known existed. 
(Just kidding). 

From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Simon Spero 
[sesunc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:15 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

Like I said on the channel, after going west side this year, having
something closer to the east coast might be nice.   BTW, what was the final
head count (assuming one head person?)

Simon

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Ethan Gruber]

It's true.  Eastern Carolina barbecue is better.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Simon Spero  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Roy Tennant  wrote:
>
> > West? Asheville, NC is West? It's less than 300 miles from the Atlantic
> > Ocean. I'm not sure how much further you have to go East to be "closer to
> > the east coast".
> >
>
> This may help explain the difference:
>
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/22/AR2005052200866_2.html
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Simon Spero]

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Roy Tennant  wrote:

> West? Asheville, NC is West? It's less than 300 miles from the Atlantic
> Ocean. I'm not sure how much further you have to go East to be "closer to
> the east coast".
>

This may help explain the difference:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/22/AR2005052200866_2.html

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Roy Tennant]

West? Asheville, NC is West? It's less than 300 miles from the Atlantic
Ocean. I'm not sure how much further you have to go East to be "closer to
the east coast".
Roy

On 3/3/10 3/3/10 € 2:15 PM, "Simon Spero"  wrote:

> Like I said on the channel, after going west side this year, having
> something closer to the east coast might be nice.   BTW, what was the final
> head count (assuming one head person?)
> 
> Simon
> 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Simon Spero]

Like I said on the channel, after going west side this year, having
something closer to the east coast might be nice.   BTW, what was the final
head count (assuming one head person?)

Simon

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Walker, David]

> ALL of that said,  where are the San Diego gang 

la_jolla++

BigD?

--Dave

==
David Walker
Library Web Services Manager
California State University
http://xerxes.calstate.edu

From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Walter Lewis 
[lew...@hhpl.on.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:20 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

On 3 Mar 10, at 9:52 AM, Julia Bauder wrote:

> Also, the farther north we go, the more likely that snow+airplane
> incompatibilities will foil speakers' (and attendees'!) travel plans at the
> last minute, which isn't fun for anyone.
>
> somewhere_out_of_nor'easter_and_lake_effect_range_in_february++

Actually there is a clear line (at least on the eastern half of the continent) 
where the further north you go, the *less* snow you got this.  Buffalo is 
trailing a number of places on the east coast in total snow accumulation and 
Toronto has been dusted a few times this winter, with nothing of real 
substance.  Detroit and Chicago were well below seasonal averages last time I 
checked.

ALL of that said,  where are the San Diego gang or the folks from Miami?

Walter
  who can only dream of pubs with open patios in February

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Michael J. Giarlo]

OCLC++

We will gladly suffer Roy Tennant's presence in exchange for continuing support.

-Mike

P.S. But seriously: OCLC++


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:10, Tim Shearer  wrote:
> A big old thank you to OCLC for the support!  It is deeply appreciated.
>
> -t
>
> On 3/3/10 10:34 AM, Roy Tennant wrote:
>>
>> On 3/3/10 3/3/10 € 7:22 AM, "Ross Singer"  wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Paul Joseph  wrote:

 No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who
 sponsored C4L10.
>>>
>>> Just to be clear on this -- the same suspects actually shelled out far
>>> less for C4L10 than they had in the past.
>>
>> Just to clarify the clarification, OCLC continued our support at the
>> highest
>> level this year, as we have since the conference began.
>> Roy
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Walter Lewis]

On 3 Mar 10, at 9:52 AM, Julia Bauder wrote:

> Also, the farther north we go, the more likely that snow+airplane
> incompatibilities will foil speakers' (and attendees'!) travel plans at the
> last minute, which isn't fun for anyone.
> 
> somewhere_out_of_nor'easter_and_lake_effect_range_in_february++

Actually there is a clear line (at least on the eastern half of the continent) 
where the further north you go, the *less* snow you got this.  Buffalo is 
trailing a number of places on the east coast in total snow accumulation and 
Toronto has been dusted a few times this winter, with nothing of real 
substance.  Detroit and Chicago were well below seasonal averages last time I 
checked.

ALL of that said,  where are the San Diego gang or the folks from Miami?

Walter
  who can only dream of pubs with open patios in February

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Tim Shearer]

A big old thank you to OCLC for the support!  It is deeply appreciated.

-t

On 3/3/10 10:34 AM, Roy Tennant wrote:

On 3/3/10 3/3/10 € 7:22 AM, "Ross Singer"  wrote:


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Paul Joseph  wrote:

No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who
sponsored C4L10.


Just to be clear on this -- the same suspects actually shelled out far
less for C4L10 than they had in the past.


Just to clarify the clarification, OCLC continued our support at the highest
level this year, as we have since the conference began.
Roy

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Jonathan Rochkind]

Better to have a conference (made possible by OCLC funding) without OCLC 
developers present then to have no conf at all due to insufficient 
funding (also without OCLC developers present!). (Or for that matter, 
for us all to have to pay $300 registration fees or something).


But I agree it's always nice when developers working on OCLC web 
services attend code4lib. I believe Xiaoming Liu has been to a code4lib 
conf in the past, and it was very nice to have him there. (Unless I met 
him at some other conf? Maybe I'm mis-remembering).


Jonathan

Ya'aqov Ziso wrote:

OCLC continued our support at the highest level this year, as we have since
the conference began. Roy
==
However OCLC Research are calculating such support, it would have been more
helpful to have sent to the Conference more of those developers working with
us on OCLC web services. Their participation was sorely missed.
Ya¹aqov 

  

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Ya'aqov Ziso]

OCLC continued our support at the highest level this year, as we have since
the conference began. Roy
==
However OCLC Research are calculating such support, it would have been more
helpful to have sent to the Conference more of those developers working with
us on OCLC web services. Their participation was sorely missed.
Ya¹aqov 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Kevin S. Clarke]

Yes, OCLC did continue its longstanding sponsorship at our highest
level (thanks OCLC!!), but folks thinking about planning should note
that we did see a 24% drop in the overall amount of sponsorship this
year (when compared to the previous year).

I don't know if that will continue or not (has the economy turned
around yet?) but it's certainly something to consider as you're
planning. Institutions with plans for increasing sponsorship, or
covering many of the costs themselves (like ASU and WCU did with the
vans and tech/video), would have a leg up, I'd think.

Fwiw,
Kevin


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Roy Tennant  wrote:
> On 3/3/10 3/3/10 € 7:22 AM, "Ross Singer"  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Paul Joseph  wrote:
>>> No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who
>>> sponsored C4L10.
>>
>> Just to be clear on this -- the same suspects actually shelled out far
>> less for C4L10 than they had in the past.
>
> Just to clarify the clarification, OCLC continued our support at the highest
> level this year, as we have since the conference began.
> Roy
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Roy Tennant]

On 3/3/10 3/3/10 € 7:22 AM, "Ross Singer"  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Paul Joseph  wrote:
>> No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who
>> sponsored C4L10.
> 
> Just to be clear on this -- the same suspects actually shelled out far
> less for C4L10 than they had in the past.

Just to clarify the clarification, OCLC continued our support at the highest
level this year, as we have since the conference began.
Roy

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Tania Fersenheim]

The Statler is a nice facility and could probably accomodate the number of
attendees, but I suspect that even with a negotiated conference rate it
will be fairly expensive.  And, while campus is beautiful, it's a bit out
of the thick of things night-life wise, unless we're all willing to
channel our inner college student and hit the Palms and Chapter House. ;-)

I would prefer the Hilton Garden Inn downtown.  As you point out, the
downtown location is ideal for restaurants, pubs, etc, and absolutely
perfect for hopping on public transportation.  It's fairly new, they do
conferences/meetings regularly, though I don't know what size groups they
usually work with.  

The Holiday Inn is, IMO, completely out of the question.  They try hard
but never seem to hit the mark when it comes to facilities and services.  

HTH!

Tania, opinionated Ithaca ex-pat

-- 
Tania Fersenheim
Manager of Library Systems

Brandeis University
Library and Technology Services

415 South Street, (MS 017/P.O. Box 549110)
Waltham, MA 02454-9110   
Phone: 781.736.4698
Fax: 781.736.4577
email: tan...@brandeis.edu  

> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On 
> Behalf Of John Fereira
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:05 AM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
  
> Please share your opinions on the venue.  The campus hotel 
> that Edward 
> mentioned (Statler) would almost certainly be able to accommodate 
> attendees and provide meeting space but, if it were up to me, I would 
> probably prefer the Hilton Garden Inn downtown.  There is just a lot 
> more going on downtown, especially the restaurant and pub scene.  
> Cornell has a big hotel school and it seems that a lot of 
> graduates end 
> up coming back and opening restaurants.  As a result there 
> are a *lot* 
> of very good restaurants in town, and only in the last few 
> years have a 
> few of the chains started to open up shop. 
> 
> As you said, winery tours would be easy to arrange.  There 
> are over 200 
> wineries in the Finger Lakes area and the quality has significantly 
> improved in the 15 years or so I've lived her.  The area 
> produces some 
> of the best Riesling you'll find anywhere as well as some outstanding 
> Ice wines.
> 
> For outdoor activities, things would be somewhat limited in February 
> (many of the gorge trails are closed in winter).  When the 
> water warms 
> though, a very good friend of mine opens his kayak shop for rentals 
> where one can paddle onto Cayuga lake. 
> 
> I remember when I attended the Code4Lib in Providence the 
> weather was as 
> good or better here then it was in Providence.  Still, scheduling a 
> conference in February *could* mean significant snowfalls (we 
> got about 
> 2' of snow about a week ago).
> 
> Ithaca has a regional airport with direct flights from Philadelphia, 
> Detroit, La Guardia, and Newark.  Binghamton and Elmira airports are 
> 30-40 miles away and Syracuse airport is about 50 miles away (an 
> expensive shuttle bus is available for transport to/from Ithaca).  
> Syracuse is also on an Amtrak line.
>
> -- 
> John Fereira
> Cornell University
> Twitter: @john_fereira
> Google Wave: fere...@googlewave.com
> 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Jonathan Rochkind]

Well, that's only because the further north you are the more likely a 
foot of snow is.


Pretty much everywhere can handle their 90% of the time weather, but 
cant' handle their 10th percentile extremist weather. There's probably a 
clear economically calculatable reason for that.


But anyway... can we maybe move all the conf 'me toos' to the conf list, 
instead of the main code4lib list, and return the main code4lib list to 
lower-traffic discussion of code?


Jonathan

John Fereira wrote:

Julia Bauder wrote:
  

Also, the farther north we go, the more likely that snow+airplane
incompatibilities will foil speakers' (and attendees'!) travel plans at the
last minute, which isn't fun for anyone.

On the other hand, the farther north you go, the more likely airports 
would be better prepared to handle winter weather.   It seems that a 
foot of snow can cripple transportation when it arrives in more southern 
locales but it hardly gets noticed when it hits a place like Syracuse. 

  

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Ross Singer]

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Paul Joseph  wrote:
> No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who
> sponsored C4L10.

Just to be clear on this -- the same suspects actually shelled out far
less for C4L10 than they had in the past.

And we had far fewer sponsors than we had in, say, Portland (which
required similar economic gymnastics, in a much stronger economy, to
keep it affordable).

-Ross.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[John Fereira]

Julia Bauder wrote:

Also, the farther north we go, the more likely that snow+airplane
incompatibilities will foil speakers' (and attendees'!) travel plans at the
last minute, which isn't fun for anyone.
On the other hand, the farther north you go, the more likely airports 
would be better prepared to handle winter weather.   It seems that a 
foot of snow can cripple transportation when it arrives in more southern 
locales but it hardly gets noticed when it hits a place like Syracuse. 


--
John Fereira
Cornell University
Twitter: @john_fereira
Google Wave: fere...@googlewave.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[John Fereira]

Tania Fersenheim wrote:

Born & raised in Ithaca, went to college there (Go Big Red!) and I love it
there.  BUT I have to agree that February in Ithaca can be dreary.  They
have a decent restaurant and pub scene but one of the key attractions for
Ithaca is the outdoor activities.


Though we could do a wine tour!  


And visit Wegmans.  And eat good bagels. And half moon cookies. And drink
Ithaca beers.

I've changed my mind - I'm all over Ithaca for C4L11.

I have some very strong opinions on venue though. :-)
  
Please share your opinions on the venue.  The campus hotel that Edward 
mentioned (Statler) would almost certainly be able to accommodate 
attendees and provide meeting space but, if it were up to me, I would 
probably prefer the Hilton Garden Inn downtown.  There is just a lot 
more going on downtown, especially the restaurant and pub scene.  
Cornell has a big hotel school and it seems that a lot of graduates end 
up coming back and opening restaurants.  As a result there are a *lot* 
of very good restaurants in town, and only in the last few years have a 
few of the chains started to open up shop. 

As you said, winery tours would be easy to arrange.  There are over 200 
wineries in the Finger Lakes area and the quality has significantly 
improved in the 15 years or so I've lived her.  The area produces some 
of the best Riesling you'll find anywhere as well as some outstanding 
Ice wines.


For outdoor activities, things would be somewhat limited in February 
(many of the gorge trails are closed in winter).  When the water warms 
though, a very good friend of mine opens his kayak shop for rentals 
where one can paddle onto Cayuga lake. 

I remember when I attended the Code4Lib in Providence the weather was as 
good or better here then it was in Providence.  Still, scheduling a 
conference in February *could* mean significant snowfalls (we got about 
2' of snow about a week ago).


Ithaca has a regional airport with direct flights from Philadelphia, 
Detroit, La Guardia, and Newark.  Binghamton and Elmira airports are 
30-40 miles away and Syracuse airport is about 50 miles away (an 
expensive shuttle bus is available for transport to/from Ithaca).  
Syracuse is also on an Amtrak line.



Tania

  



--
John Fereira
Cornell University
Twitter: @john_fereira
Google Wave: fere...@googlewave.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Paul Joseph]

No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who
sponsored C4L10.
Paul


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Ya'aqov Ziso  wrote:

>  also, I can assure you that to help keep registration fees low we'll
> be
> leaning on our vendors ...
> =
> Who would be these vendors? Seems CODE4LIB (bringing in creative, leading
> edge, OpenSource ideas where ILS have monolithically reigned) are the bad
> dream of ILS vendors. WorldCat DeveNet/Research may make an exception, but
> will it be $ufficient?
> Ya¹aqov
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Michael J. Giarlo]

A quick thread recap:

There is no proposal from the Austin folks and they have thus far not
expressed interest in hosting.  So far we've received three "intend to
propose" messages, and those are for Vancouver, New Haven, and Ithaca.

The deadline for actual hosting proposals is Friday.

Voting on hosting proposals will presumably take place in the usual
way, via Ross Singer's "el diebold-o-tron-o-matic-o," not in an e-mail
thread.

-Mike

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Julia Bauder]

Also, the farther north we go, the more likely that snow+airplane
incompatibilities will foil speakers' (and attendees'!) travel plans at the
last minute, which isn't fun for anyone.

somewhere_out_of_nor'easter_and_lake_effect_range_in_february++

JMB

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Andrew Darby  wrote:

> I'm looking out my windows--it is.  warm_places_in_february++
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Ethan Gruber  wrote:
> > Ithaca in February sounds kind of depressing, honestly.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Ma, Hong  wrote:
> >
> >> Agree with Carol. Austin is good.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Hong
> >>
> >> Hong Ma
> >> Information Systems Librarian
> >> Otto G. Richter Library
> >> University of Miami
> >> 1300 Memorial Dr., Rm.301-A
> >> Coral Gables, FL 33124
> >> h...@miami.edu
> >> (305) 284-8844
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of
> >> Carol Bean
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:06 AM
> >> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> >> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
> >>
> >> Snowy northern climes--
> >>
> >> Carol
> >> (still hoping for a bid from Austin)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From:
> >> "Kevin S. Clarke" 
> >> To:
> >> CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> >> Date:
> >> 03/03/2010 09:00 AM
> >> Subject:
> >> Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
> >> Sent by:
> >> Code for Libraries 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira  wrote:
> >>
> >> > I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the
> >> planning
> >> > commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm
> >> > inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011.
> >>
> >> ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd
> >> love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a
> >> nice venue for c4l11.
> >>
> >> Kevin
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Andrew Darby
> Web Services Librarian
> Ithaca College Library
> http://www.ithaca.edu/library/
> ada...@ithaca.edu
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Esme Cowles]

ithaca_in_april++

-Esme
--
Esme Cowles 

"A person, who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person.
 (This is very important. Pay attention. It never fails.) " -- Dave Barry

On Mar 3, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Ross Singer wrote:

> The date is not etched in stone.
> 
> -Ross.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Ethan Gruber  wrote:
>> Ithaca in February sounds kind of depressing, honestly.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Ma, Hong  wrote:
>> 
>>> Agree with Carol. Austin is good.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Hong
>>> 
>>> Hong Ma
>>> Information Systems Librarian
>>> Otto G. Richter Library
>>> University of Miami
>>> 1300 Memorial Dr., Rm.301-A
>>> Coral Gables, FL 33124
>>> h...@miami.edu
>>> (305) 284-8844
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-----
>>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of
>>> Carol Bean
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:06 AM
>>> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
>>> 
>>> Snowy northern climes--
>>> 
>>> Carol
>>> (still hoping for a bid from Austin)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From:
>>> "Kevin S. Clarke" 
>>> To:
>>> CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>>> Date:
>>> 03/03/2010 09:00 AM
>>> Subject:
>>> Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
>>> Sent by:
>>> Code for Libraries 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the
>>> planning
>>>> commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm
>>>> inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011.
>>> 
>>> ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd
>>> love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a
>>> nice venue for c4l11.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
>> 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Andrew Darby]

I'm looking out my windows--it is.  warm_places_in_february++

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Ethan Gruber  wrote:
> Ithaca in February sounds kind of depressing, honestly.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Ma, Hong  wrote:
>
>> Agree with Carol. Austin is good.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Hong
>>
>> Hong Ma
>> Information Systems Librarian
>> Otto G. Richter Library
>> University of Miami
>> 1300 Memorial Dr., Rm.301-A
>> Coral Gables, FL 33124
>> h...@miami.edu
>> (305) 284-8844
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of
>> Carol Bean
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:06 AM
>> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
>>
>> Snowy northern climes--
>>
>> Carol
>> (still hoping for a bid from Austin)
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>> "Kevin S. Clarke" 
>> To:
>> CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Date:
>> 03/03/2010 09:00 AM
>> Subject:
>> Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
>> Sent by:
>> Code for Libraries 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira  wrote:
>>
>> > I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the
>> planning
>> > commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm
>> > inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011.
>>
>> ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd
>> love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a
>> nice venue for c4l11.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>



-- 
Andrew Darby
Web Services Librarian
Ithaca College Library
http://www.ithaca.edu/library/
ada...@ithaca.edu

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Tania Fersenheim]

Born & raised in Ithaca, went to college there (Go Big Red!) and I love it
there.  BUT I have to agree that February in Ithaca can be dreary.  They
have a decent restaurant and pub scene but one of the key attractions for
Ithaca is the outdoor activities.


Though we could do a wine tour!  

And visit Wegmans.  And eat good bagels. And half moon cookies. And drink
Ithaca beers.

I've changed my mind - I'm all over Ithaca for C4L11.

I have some very strong opinions on venue though. :-)

Tania

-- 
Tania Fersenheim
Manager of Library Systems

Brandeis University
Library and Technology Services

415 South Street, (MS 017/P.O. Box 549110)
Waltham, MA 02454-9110   
Phone: 781.736.4698
Fax: 781.736.4577
email: tan...@brandeis.edu  

> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On 
> Behalf Of Ethan Gruber
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:36 AM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
> 
> Ithaca in February sounds kind of depressing, honestly.
> 
> 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Rick Johnson]

+1 Austin, on my short list of cool places to visit

Thanks,
Rick
--
--
Rick Johnson
Systems Analyst Manager, Digital Library Applications and Local Programming Unit
Library Information Systems
University of Notre Dame
Michiana Academic Library Consortium
Notre Dame, IN USA 46556
http://www.library.nd.edu
574-631-1086


From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Ross Singer 
[rossfsin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:36 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

The date is not etched in stone.

-Ross.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Ethan Gruber  wrote:
> Ithaca in February sounds kind of depressing, honestly.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Ma, Hong  wrote:
>
>> Agree with Carol. Austin is good.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Hong
>>
>> Hong Ma
>> Information Systems Librarian
>> Otto G. Richter Library
>> University of Miami
>> 1300 Memorial Dr., Rm.301-A
>> Coral Gables, FL 33124
>> h...@miami.edu
>> (305) 284-8844
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of
>> Carol Bean
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:06 AM
>> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
>>
>> Snowy northern climes--
>>
>> Carol
>> (still hoping for a bid from Austin)
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>> "Kevin S. Clarke" 
>> To:
>> CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Date:
>> 03/03/2010 09:00 AM
>> Subject:
>> Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
>> Sent by:
>> Code for Libraries 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira  wrote:
>>
>> > I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the
>> planning
>> > commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm
>> > inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011.
>>
>> ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd
>> love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a
>> nice venue for c4l11.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Ya'aqov Ziso]

 also, I can assure you that to help keep registration fees low we'll be
leaning on our vendors ...
=
Who would be these vendors? Seems CODE4LIB (bringing in creative, leading
edge, OpenSource ideas where ILS have monolithically reigned) are the bad
dream of ILS vendors. WorldCat DeveNet/Research may make an exception, but
will it be $ufficient?
Ya¹aqov 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Ross Singer]

The date is not etched in stone.

-Ross.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Ethan Gruber  wrote:
> Ithaca in February sounds kind of depressing, honestly.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Ma, Hong  wrote:
>
>> Agree with Carol. Austin is good.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Hong
>>
>> Hong Ma
>> Information Systems Librarian
>> Otto G. Richter Library
>> University of Miami
>> 1300 Memorial Dr., Rm.301-A
>> Coral Gables, FL 33124
>> h...@miami.edu
>> (305) 284-8844
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of
>> Carol Bean
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:06 AM
>> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
>>
>> Snowy northern climes--
>>
>> Carol
>> (still hoping for a bid from Austin)
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>> "Kevin S. Clarke" 
>> To:
>> CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Date:
>> 03/03/2010 09:00 AM
>> Subject:
>> Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
>> Sent by:
>> Code for Libraries 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira  wrote:
>>
>> > I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the
>> planning
>> > commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm
>> > inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011.
>>
>> ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd
>> love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a
>> nice venue for c4l11.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Ethan Gruber]

Ithaca in February sounds kind of depressing, honestly.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Ma, Hong  wrote:

> Agree with Carol. Austin is good.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hong
>
> Hong Ma
> Information Systems Librarian
> Otto G. Richter Library
> University of Miami
> 1300 Memorial Dr., Rm.301-A
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> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of
> Carol Bean
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:06 AM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
>
> Snowy northern climes--
>
> Carol
> (still hoping for a bid from Austin)
>
>
>
> From:
> "Kevin S. Clarke" 
> To:
> CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Date:
> 03/03/2010 09:00 AM
> Subject:
> Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
> Sent by:
> Code for Libraries 
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira  wrote:
>
> > I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the
> planning
> > commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm
> > inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011.
>
> ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd
> love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a
> nice venue for c4l11.
>
> Kevin
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Ma, Hong]

Agree with Carol. Austin is good.

Thanks,

Hong

Hong Ma
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-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Carol 
Bean
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:06 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

Snowy northern climes--

Carol 
(still hoping for a bid from Austin)



From:
"Kevin S. Clarke" 
To:
CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Date:
03/03/2010 09:00 AM
Subject:
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
Sent by:
Code for Libraries 



On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira  wrote:

> I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the 
planning
> commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm
> inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011.

ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd
love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a
nice venue for c4l11.

Kevin

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[David A. Faler]

+1 Ithica

Thank you,

David Faler

- "Edward M. Corrado"  wrote:

> John,
> 
> I would say the town of Ithaca would be a good location. I don't know
> 
> any specifics about the facilities or costs for a conference our size
> 
> though. I would assume that maybe Cornell has some space if the timing
> 
> is right but I'm not sure. I do know when I stayed at the campus hotel
> 
> was really nice for the price (it is ran by students). I've been to 
> Ithaca for smaller conferences (~60 people) before moving to
> Binghamton 
> and enjoyed it.
> 
> Getting to Ithaca might not be the easiest, but probably no worse than
> 
> Asheville, Athens, or Corvallis.
> 
> Since I'm in Binghamton, if you do decide to submit something, let me
> 
> know if you need any help.
> 
> Edward
> 
> 
> 
> John Fereira wrote:
> > Mark A. Matienzo wrote:
> >> +1 for New Haven (if not for 2011, then for 2012). Daniel, feel
> free
> >> to give me a shout if you'd like any help putting together the
> >> proposal! 
> >
> > I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the 
> > planning commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a
> row 
> > but I'm inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for
> 
> > 2011.  I know you (Mark) have recently been her (sorry I wasn't able
> 
> > to get to your talk) so if you want to comment on whether or not 
> > Ithaca would be a good location I might look into it a bit.
> >
> > I've been to a conference in Vancouver and would love to visit again
> 
> > but from reading the feedback from the Jasig conference held there a
> 
> > few years ago the biggest complaint from attendees was the cost.  Of
> 
> > course, the planning committee did choose a rather expensive hotel
> for 
> > the conference location though.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Carol Bean]

Snowy northern climes--

Carol 
(still hoping for a bid from Austin)



From:
"Kevin S. Clarke" 
To:
CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Date:
03/03/2010 09:00 AM
Subject:
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
Sent by:
Code for Libraries 



On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira  wrote:

> I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the 
planning
> commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm
> inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011.

ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd
love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a
nice venue for c4l11.

Kevin

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Edward M. Corrado]

Dan Chudnov wrote:

On Mar 2, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Ziso, Ya'aqov wrote:

  
Many institutions would consider Canada an international conference, and most likely would allow (if any!?) one. My 5 cents (and that's all left in the budget), Ya'aqov 



Yeah, exactly, I might run into the same thing.  In the past few years I've taken 
vacation for c4lc and gone on my own dime... and it can be quite pricey for a US federal 
employee to fly outside the country (see "Fly America Act") so I don't do it 
often.  Seriously, you don't want to know how bad it can be.
  
Yes, despite some American's belief that Canada is the 51st state, a 
co-worker from Nova Scotia occasionally reminds me that it is not. 
International travel is an issue at some (many?) institutions, 
especially in bad economic times.


Edward



I could probably take time off again and cobble together a train ride (empire 
builder!) and a rental car in seattle and do it all on the cheap, which is how 
I got to Access '03 in Vancouver, but, yeah, none of you care about my 
problems. :)



  

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Jonathan Rochkind
Sent: Tue 3/2/2010 8:00 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

Why would the fact that they are both in Canada make you (or anyone 
else) have to choose between them?  I'm not following. One is in Feb, 
one is in (what?) September.  If you can go to two confs one in Feb and 
one in Sep when one is in somewhere in Canada and one is in somewhere in 
the US... why can't you go to two when they're both in Canada?  I'm not 
following.


Dan Chudnov wrote:


On Mar 2, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote:


  

Should be long enough after C4LN and between Access conferences so as
not to interfere.

I'd encourage the Vancouver contingent to put forward its proposal; if
it gets the most votes, the community has spoken.



I agree about putting forward the proposal, and the voting, and not conflicting 
with C4LN, but not about Access.  I have a few concerns about the idea of 
code4libcon in Vancouver.  When the vote comes, though, if it's the only 
option, well, there we'll be.

Just to air said concerns... maybe this should be on the conf list but the 
thread's here, so, whatever.

(a) I don't want to have to choose between code4lib and Access and if they're 
both in Canada I might have to choose; Access would win.  This concern is one 
of the reasons we didn't try a code4libcon before 2006, though maybe the number 
of us who share this concern is small.

(b) of the five code4libcons we've had, the ones that have been the most fun to me have 
been the ones in smaller towns (corvallis, athens, asheville) where we're more likely to 
stumble into other attendees as the evening... uh... "progresses".  Vancouver 
would be the biggest host city yet.  It's a great town and I'd love to return there but 
it's not small by any measure.

(c) in early years we emphasized keeping code4libcon cheap and have continued 
to succeed at that by using sponsorships to keep the registration fee low.  
It's good to be able to draw in students and people who are interested but not 
directly supported or who might choose to go on their own dime.  These past two 
years the conf hotel rate has crept up some, with a good block rate but still 
well over $100/night.  Vancouver's a more expensive town than any we've been in 
before, so I'd worry we'd be shutting some people out.  I think there's been 
some kind of lower cost hotel or hostel option in every town, and surely there 
would be in Vancouver, but in a bigger town that means people are spread out 
more and then my concern (b) gets amplified, too.


All that said, it's not like I'm putting in a hosting proposal, so, right, go 
VANOC^H^HC4LC!

 -Dan


p.s. if we could try out a "lightning talk cross" session where four people 
talk all at the same time, i'm in for sure.
  

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Kevin S. Clarke]

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira  wrote:

> I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the planning
> commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm
> inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011.

ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd
love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a
nice venue for c4l11.

Kevin

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Edward M. Corrado]

John,

I would say the town of Ithaca would be a good location. I don't know 
any specifics about the facilities or costs for a conference our size 
though. I would assume that maybe Cornell has some space if the timing 
is right but I'm not sure. I do know when I stayed at the campus hotel 
was really nice for the price (it is ran by students). I've been to 
Ithaca for smaller conferences (~60 people) before moving to Binghamton 
and enjoyed it.


Getting to Ithaca might not be the easiest, but probably no worse than 
Asheville, Athens, or Corvallis.


Since I'm in Binghamton, if you do decide to submit something, let me 
know if you need any help.


Edward



John Fereira wrote:

Mark A. Matienzo wrote:

+1 for New Haven (if not for 2011, then for 2012). Daniel, feel free
to give me a shout if you'd like any help putting together the
proposal! 


I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the 
planning commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row 
but I'm inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 
2011.  I know you (Mark) have recently been her (sorry I wasn't able 
to get to your talk) so if you want to comment on whether or not 
Ithaca would be a good location I might look into it a bit.


I've been to a conference in Vancouver and would love to visit again 
but from reading the feedback from the Jasig conference held there a 
few years ago the biggest complaint from attendees was the cost.  Of 
course, the planning committee did choose a rather expensive hotel for 
the conference location though.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Rosalyn Metz]

+1 for Austin. Especially if we can time it the week before or after SXSW. 



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-Original Message-
From: Becky Yoose 
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:44:44 
To: 
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

Any word on if the Austin, TX folks are going to submit a proposal this
year? They had a pretty good run for votes last year...

Thanks,
Becky


import motivation
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Edward M. Corrado wrote:

> Loins, Daniel wrote:
>
>> Well, I've been meaning to toss New Haven, CT, into the ring, but was
>> waiting to get more feedback/expressions of interest from my colleagues here
>> (and also thinking that 2012 might be better for East Coast).
>>
>> Anyway, I can try to have a skeletal proposal ready by the 5th (unless
>> someone at Yale tries to talk me out of it).
>> Daniel
>>
>>
> Personally, I think the more applications the better. So I say go for it.
> Also, I hope some of the sites that weren't voted in last time re-submit
> their application.
>
> Edward
>
>
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Becky Yoose]

Any word on if the Austin, TX folks are going to submit a proposal this
year? They had a pretty good run for votes last year...

Thanks,
Becky


import motivation
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Edward M. Corrado wrote:

> Loins, Daniel wrote:
>
>> Well, I've been meaning to toss New Haven, CT, into the ring, but was
>> waiting to get more feedback/expressions of interest from my colleagues here
>> (and also thinking that 2012 might be better for East Coast).
>>
>> Anyway, I can try to have a skeletal proposal ready by the 5th (unless
>> someone at Yale tries to talk me out of it).
>> Daniel
>>
>>
> Personally, I think the more applications the better. So I say go for it.
> Also, I hope some of the sites that weren't voted in last time re-submit
> their application.
>
> Edward
>
>
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Edward M. Corrado]

Loins, Daniel wrote:

Well, I've been meaning to toss New Haven, CT, into the ring, but was waiting 
to get more feedback/expressions of interest from my colleagues here (and also 
thinking that 2012 might be better for East Coast).

Anyway, I can try to have a skeletal proposal ready by the 5th (unless someone 
at Yale tries to talk me out of it).
Daniel
  
Personally, I think the more applications the better. So I say go for 
it. Also, I hope some of the sites that weren't voted in last time 
re-submit their application.


Edward





On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote:

  

SIDEBAR:

Granted "these economic times," but am I the only one who's surprised
not to hear more interest in hosting next year's conference?  Yes,
yes, we're a bunch of damned procrastinators, I know.

-Mike


On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 21:41, William Denton  wrote:


On 2 March 2010, Ziso, Ya'aqov wrote:

  

Many institutions would consider Canada an international conference, and
most likely would allow (if any!?) one. My 5 cents (and that's all left in
the budget),


s/Many/Many American/ but I know what you mean.  I don't see a local chapter
meeting as conflicting with the full conference, and don't think that's
anything to worry about.

I'd like to go to Vancouver for a Code4Lib---it's certainly easy for me to
get to, from Toronto, and I won't have the difficulties and anxieties that
come from travelling into the US---but I hope some small to mid-size
American cities put in too.  Providence and Asheville were great to visit.

Bill
--
William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org

  

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[John Fereira]

Mark A. Matienzo wrote:

+1 for New Haven (if not for 2011, then for 2012). Daniel, feel free
to give me a shout if you'd like any help putting together the
proposal! 


I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the 
planning commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row 
but I'm inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 
2011.  I know you (Mark) have recently been her (sorry I wasn't able to 
get to your talk) so if you want to comment on whether or not Ithaca 
would be a good location I might look into it a bit.


I've been to a conference in Vancouver and would love to visit again but 
from reading the feedback from the Jasig conference held there a few 
years ago the biggest complaint from attendees was the cost.  Of course, 
the planning committee did choose a rather expensive hotel for the 
conference location though.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Mark A. Matienzo]

+1 for New Haven (if not for 2011, then for 2012). Daniel, feel free
to give me a shout if you'd like any help putting together the
proposal!

Mark A. Matienzo
Digital Archivist, Manuscripts and Archives
Yale University Library

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Lovins, Daniel  wrote:
> Well, I've been meaning to toss New Haven, CT, into the ring, but was waiting 
> to get more feedback/expressions of interest from my colleagues here (and 
> also thinking that 2012 might be better for East Coast).
>
> Anyway, I can try to have a skeletal proposal ready by the 5th (unless 
> someone at Yale tries to talk me out of it).
> Daniel
>
> On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote:
>
>> SIDEBAR:
>>
>> Granted "these economic times," but am I the only one who's surprised
>> not to hear more interest in hosting next year's conference?  Yes,
>> yes, we're a bunch of damned procrastinators, I know.
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 21:41, William Denton  wrote:
>>> On 2 March 2010, Ziso, Ya'aqov wrote:
>>>
 Many institutions would consider Canada an international conference, and
 most likely would allow (if any!?) one. My 5 cents (and that's all left in
 the budget),
>>>
>>> s/Many/Many American/ but I know what you mean.  I don't see a local chapter
>>> meeting as conflicting with the full conference, and don't think that's
>>> anything to worry about.
>>>
>>> I'd like to go to Vancouver for a Code4Lib---it's certainly easy for me to
>>> get to, from Toronto, and I won't have the difficulties and anxieties that
>>> come from travelling into the US---but I hope some small to mid-size
>>> American cities put in too.  Providence and Asheville were great to visit.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>> --
>>> William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
>>>
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Paul Joseph]

Hi everybody,

Just to follow up on Mark's comments, we'll be making every effort to ensure
cheap(er) accommodation options are available to conference goers. Also, I
can assure you that to help keep registration fees low we'll be leaning on
our vendors, who UBC has graciously donated to over the years  -  you know
who you are ;)  -  to help sponsor the conference. In addition, the UBC
Library will be pitching in some money to subsidize the cost of the
facilities.

As for the size and scope of the city, we're aiming to keep the hotel,
conference site, and pubs all within a central location while still
affording people the opportunity to get out and about to explore the city.

Sadly there's no promises of a C4LC closing ceremony with a performance like
this: http://www.mahalo.com/michael-buble-olympics

Now back to the proposal...

Paul

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Lovins, Daniel wrote:

> Well, I've been meaning to toss New Haven, CT, into the ring, but was
> waiting to get more feedback/expressions of interest from my colleagues here
> (and also thinking that 2012 might be better for East Coast).
>
> Anyway, I can try to have a skeletal proposal ready by the 5th (unless
> someone at Yale tries to talk me out of it).
> Daniel
>
> On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote:
>
> > SIDEBAR:
> >
> > Granted "these economic times," but am I the only one who's surprised
> > not to hear more interest in hosting next year's conference?  Yes,
> > yes, we're a bunch of damned procrastinators, I know.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 21:41, William Denton  wrote:
> >> On 2 March 2010, Ziso, Ya'aqov wrote:
> >>
> >>> Many institutions would consider Canada an international conference,
> and
> >>> most likely would allow (if any!?) one. My 5 cents (and that's all left
> in
> >>> the budget),
> >>
> >> s/Many/Many American/ but I know what you mean.  I don't see a local
> chapter
> >> meeting as conflicting with the full conference, and don't think that's
> >> anything to worry about.
> >>
> >> I'd like to go to Vancouver for a Code4Lib---it's certainly easy for me
> to
> >> get to, from Toronto, and I won't have the difficulties and anxieties
> that
> >> come from travelling into the US---but I hope some small to mid-size
> >> American cities put in too.  Providence and Asheville were great to
> visit.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >> --
> >> William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
> >>
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Lovins, Daniel]

Well, I've been meaning to toss New Haven, CT, into the ring, but was waiting 
to get more feedback/expressions of interest from my colleagues here (and also 
thinking that 2012 might be better for East Coast).

Anyway, I can try to have a skeletal proposal ready by the 5th (unless someone 
at Yale tries to talk me out of it).
Daniel

On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote:

> SIDEBAR:
> 
> Granted "these economic times," but am I the only one who's surprised
> not to hear more interest in hosting next year's conference?  Yes,
> yes, we're a bunch of damned procrastinators, I know.
> 
> -Mike
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 21:41, William Denton  wrote:
>> On 2 March 2010, Ziso, Ya'aqov wrote:
>> 
>>> Many institutions would consider Canada an international conference, and
>>> most likely would allow (if any!?) one. My 5 cents (and that's all left in
>>> the budget),
>> 
>> s/Many/Many American/ but I know what you mean.  I don't see a local chapter
>> meeting as conflicting with the full conference, and don't think that's
>> anything to worry about.
>> 
>> I'd like to go to Vancouver for a Code4Lib---it's certainly easy for me to
>> get to, from Toronto, and I won't have the difficulties and anxieties that
>> come from travelling into the US---but I hope some small to mid-size
>> American cities put in too.  Providence and Asheville were great to visit.
>> 
>> Bill
>> --
>> William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
>> 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Michael J. Giarlo]

SIDEBAR:

Granted "these economic times," but am I the only one who's surprised
not to hear more interest in hosting next year's conference?  Yes,
yes, we're a bunch of damned procrastinators, I know.

-Mike


On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 21:41, William Denton  wrote:
> On 2 March 2010, Ziso, Ya'aqov wrote:
>
>> Many institutions would consider Canada an international conference, and
>> most likely would allow (if any!?) one. My 5 cents (and that's all left in
>> the budget),
>
> s/Many/Many American/ but I know what you mean.  I don't see a local chapter
> meeting as conflicting with the full conference, and don't think that's
> anything to worry about.
>
> I'd like to go to Vancouver for a Code4Lib---it's certainly easy for me to
> get to, from Toronto, and I won't have the difficulties and anxieties that
> come from travelling into the US---but I hope some small to mid-size
> American cities put in too.  Providence and Asheville were great to visit.
>
> Bill
> --
> William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[William Denton]

On 2 March 2010, Ziso, Ya'aqov wrote:

Many institutions would consider Canada an international conference, and 
most likely would allow (if any!?) one. My 5 cents (and that's all left 
in the budget),


s/Many/Many American/ but I know what you mean.  I don't see a local 
chapter meeting as conflicting with the full conference, and don't think 
that's anything to worry about.


I'd like to go to Vancouver for a Code4Lib---it's certainly easy for me to 
get to, from Toronto, and I won't have the difficulties and anxieties that 
come from travelling into the US---but I hope some small to mid-size 
American cities put in too.  Providence and Asheville were great to visit.


Bill
--
William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Ranti Junus]

Mark_Jordan_and_team++


On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Mark Jordan  wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> We're sensitive to the potential cost of accommodations in Vancouver, and 
> we'll be doing our best to secure a reasonable rate at one or more 
> conventional hotels. We'll also be investigating other options as well, 
> including hostels and on-campus rooms.
>
> Mark
>
> Mark Jordan
> Head of Library Systems
> W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University
> Burnaby, British Columbia, V5A 1S6, Canada
> Voice: 778.782.5753 / Fax: 778.782.3023
> mjor...@sfu.ca



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Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Mark Jordan]

Hi everybody,

We're sensitive to the potential cost of accommodations in Vancouver, and we'll 
be doing our best to secure a reasonable rate at one or more conventional 
hotels. We'll also be investigating other options as well, including hostels 
and on-campus rooms.

Mark

Mark Jordan
Head of Library Systems
W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University
Burnaby, British Columbia, V5A 1S6, Canada
Voice: 778.782.5753 / Fax: 778.782.3023
mjor...@sfu.ca

- "Esme Cowles"  wrote:

> I've never been to Vancouver, so I don't know what the housing options
> are.  But I wonder if there isn't some way to keep the nightly rate
> down.  Maybe this could be addressed by having an official
> hostel/cheaper hotel?  Perhaps UBC or some other institution has an
> inexpensive housing option (I've seen this at other universities).
> 
> -Esme
> --
> Esme Cowles 
> 
> "A person, who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice
> person.
>  (This is very important. Pay attention. It never fails.) " -- Dave
> Barry
> 
> On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Dan Chudnov wrote:
> 
> > (c) in early years we emphasized keeping code4libcon cheap and have
> continued to succeed at that by using sponsorships to keep the
> registration fee low.  It's good to be able to draw in students and
> people who are interested but not directly supported or who might
> choose to go on their own dime.  These past two years the conf hotel
> rate has crept up some, with a good block rate but still well over
> $100/night.  Vancouver's a more expensive town than any we've been in
> before, so I'd worry we'd be shutting some people out.  I think
> there's been some kind of lower cost hotel or hostel option in every
> town, and surely there would be in Vancouver, but in a bigger town
> that means people are spread out more and then my concern (b) gets
> amplified, too.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Dan Chudnov]

On Mar 2, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Ziso, Ya'aqov wrote:

> Many institutions would consider Canada an international conference, and most 
> likely would allow (if any!?) one. My 5 cents (and that's all left in the 
> budget), Ya'aqov 

Yeah, exactly, I might run into the same thing.  In the past few years I've 
taken vacation for c4lc and gone on my own dime... and it can be quite pricey 
for a US federal employee to fly outside the country (see "Fly America Act") so 
I don't do it often.  Seriously, you don't want to know how bad it can be.

I could probably take time off again and cobble together a train ride (empire 
builder!) and a rental car in seattle and do it all on the cheap, which is how 
I got to Access '03 in Vancouver, but, yeah, none of you care about my 
problems. :)



> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Jonathan Rochkind
> Sent: Tue 3/2/2010 8:00 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
> 
> Why would the fact that they are both in Canada make you (or anyone 
> else) have to choose between them?  I'm not following. One is in Feb, 
> one is in (what?) September.  If you can go to two confs one in Feb and 
> one in Sep when one is in somewhere in Canada and one is in somewhere in 
> the US... why can't you go to two when they're both in Canada?  I'm not 
> following.
> 
> Dan Chudnov wrote:
>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Should be long enough after C4LN and between Access conferences so as
>>> not to interfere.
>>> 
>>> I'd encourage the Vancouver contingent to put forward its proposal; if
>>> it gets the most votes, the community has spoken.
>>> 
>> 
>> I agree about putting forward the proposal, and the voting, and not 
>> conflicting with C4LN, but not about Access.  I have a few concerns about 
>> the idea of code4libcon in Vancouver.  When the vote comes, though, if it's 
>> the only option, well, there we'll be.
>> 
>> Just to air said concerns... maybe this should be on the conf list but the 
>> thread's here, so, whatever.
>> 
>> (a) I don't want to have to choose between code4lib and Access and if 
>> they're both in Canada I might have to choose; Access would win.  This 
>> concern is one of the reasons we didn't try a code4libcon before 2006, 
>> though maybe the number of us who share this concern is small.
>> 
>> (b) of the five code4libcons we've had, the ones that have been the most fun 
>> to me have been the ones in smaller towns (corvallis, athens, asheville) 
>> where we're more likely to stumble into other attendees as the evening... 
>> uh... "progresses".  Vancouver would be the biggest host city yet.  It's a 
>> great town and I'd love to return there but it's not small by any measure.
>> 
>> (c) in early years we emphasized keeping code4libcon cheap and have 
>> continued to succeed at that by using sponsorships to keep the registration 
>> fee low.  It's good to be able to draw in students and people who are 
>> interested but not directly supported or who might choose to go on their own 
>> dime.  These past two years the conf hotel rate has crept up some, with a 
>> good block rate but still well over $100/night.  Vancouver's a more 
>> expensive town than any we've been in before, so I'd worry we'd be shutting 
>> some people out.  I think there's been some kind of lower cost hotel or 
>> hostel option in every town, and surely there would be in Vancouver, but in 
>> a bigger town that means people are spread out more and then my concern (b) 
>> gets amplified, too.
>> 
>> 
>> All that said, it's not like I'm putting in a hosting proposal, so, right, 
>> go VANOC^H^HC4LC!
>> 
>>  -Dan
>> 
>> 
>> p.s. if we could try out a "lightning talk cross" session where four people 
>> talk all at the same time, i'm in for sure.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Esme Cowles]

I've never been to Vancouver, so I don't know what the housing options are.  
But I wonder if there isn't some way to keep the nightly rate down.  Maybe this 
could be addressed by having an official hostel/cheaper hotel?  Perhaps UBC or 
some other institution has an inexpensive housing option (I've seen this at 
other universities).

-Esme
--
Esme Cowles 

"A person, who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person.
 (This is very important. Pay attention. It never fails.) " -- Dave Barry

On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Dan Chudnov wrote:

> (c) in early years we emphasized keeping code4libcon cheap and have continued 
> to succeed at that by using sponsorships to keep the registration fee low.  
> It's good to be able to draw in students and people who are interested but 
> not directly supported or who might choose to go on their own dime.  These 
> past two years the conf hotel rate has crept up some, with a good block rate 
> but still well over $100/night.  Vancouver's a more expensive town than any 
> we've been in before, so I'd worry we'd be shutting some people out.  I think 
> there's been some kind of lower cost hotel or hostel option in every town, 
> and surely there would be in Vancouver, but in a bigger town that means 
> people are spread out more and then my concern (b) gets amplified, too.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Ziso, Ya'aqov]

Many institutions would consider Canada an international conference, and most 
likely would allow (if any!?) one. My 5 cents (and that's all left in the 
budget), Ya'aqov 




-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Jonathan Rochkind
Sent: Tue 3/2/2010 8:00 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
 
Why would the fact that they are both in Canada make you (or anyone 
else) have to choose between them?  I'm not following. One is in Feb, 
one is in (what?) September.  If you can go to two confs one in Feb and 
one in Sep when one is in somewhere in Canada and one is in somewhere in 
the US... why can't you go to two when they're both in Canada?  I'm not 
following.

Dan Chudnov wrote:
> On Mar 2, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote:
>
>   
>> Should be long enough after C4LN and between Access conferences so as
>> not to interfere.
>>
>> I'd encourage the Vancouver contingent to put forward its proposal; if
>> it gets the most votes, the community has spoken.
>> 
>
> I agree about putting forward the proposal, and the voting, and not 
> conflicting with C4LN, but not about Access.  I have a few concerns about the 
> idea of code4libcon in Vancouver.  When the vote comes, though, if it's the 
> only option, well, there we'll be.
>
> Just to air said concerns... maybe this should be on the conf list but the 
> thread's here, so, whatever.
>
> (a) I don't want to have to choose between code4lib and Access and if they're 
> both in Canada I might have to choose; Access would win.  This concern is one 
> of the reasons we didn't try a code4libcon before 2006, though maybe the 
> number of us who share this concern is small.
>
> (b) of the five code4libcons we've had, the ones that have been the most fun 
> to me have been the ones in smaller towns (corvallis, athens, asheville) 
> where we're more likely to stumble into other attendees as the evening... 
> uh... "progresses".  Vancouver would be the biggest host city yet.  It's a 
> great town and I'd love to return there but it's not small by any measure.
>
> (c) in early years we emphasized keeping code4libcon cheap and have continued 
> to succeed at that by using sponsorships to keep the registration fee low.  
> It's good to be able to draw in students and people who are interested but 
> not directly supported or who might choose to go on their own dime.  These 
> past two years the conf hotel rate has crept up some, with a good block rate 
> but still well over $100/night.  Vancouver's a more expensive town than any 
> we've been in before, so I'd worry we'd be shutting some people out.  I think 
> there's been some kind of lower cost hotel or hostel option in every town, 
> and surely there would be in Vancouver, but in a bigger town that means 
> people are spread out more and then my concern (b) gets amplified, too.
>
>
> All that said, it's not like I'm putting in a hosting proposal, so, right, go 
> VANOC^H^HC4LC!
>
>   -Dan
>
>
> p.s. if we could try out a "lightning talk cross" session where four people 
> talk all at the same time, i'm in for sure.
>
>   

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Jonathan Rochkind]

Why would the fact that they are both in Canada make you (or anyone 
else) have to choose between them?  I'm not following. One is in Feb, 
one is in (what?) September.  If you can go to two confs one in Feb and 
one in Sep when one is in somewhere in Canada and one is in somewhere in 
the US... why can't you go to two when they're both in Canada?  I'm not 
following.


Dan Chudnov wrote:

On Mar 2, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote:

  

Should be long enough after C4LN and between Access conferences so as
not to interfere.

I'd encourage the Vancouver contingent to put forward its proposal; if
it gets the most votes, the community has spoken.



I agree about putting forward the proposal, and the voting, and not conflicting 
with C4LN, but not about Access.  I have a few concerns about the idea of 
code4libcon in Vancouver.  When the vote comes, though, if it's the only 
option, well, there we'll be.

Just to air said concerns... maybe this should be on the conf list but the 
thread's here, so, whatever.

(a) I don't want to have to choose between code4lib and Access and if they're 
both in Canada I might have to choose; Access would win.  This concern is one 
of the reasons we didn't try a code4libcon before 2006, though maybe the number 
of us who share this concern is small.

(b) of the five code4libcons we've had, the ones that have been the most fun to me have 
been the ones in smaller towns (corvallis, athens, asheville) where we're more likely to 
stumble into other attendees as the evening... uh... "progresses".  Vancouver 
would be the biggest host city yet.  It's a great town and I'd love to return there but 
it's not small by any measure.

(c) in early years we emphasized keeping code4libcon cheap and have continued 
to succeed at that by using sponsorships to keep the registration fee low.  
It's good to be able to draw in students and people who are interested but not 
directly supported or who might choose to go on their own dime.  These past two 
years the conf hotel rate has crept up some, with a good block rate but still 
well over $100/night.  Vancouver's a more expensive town than any we've been in 
before, so I'd worry we'd be shutting some people out.  I think there's been 
some kind of lower cost hotel or hostel option in every town, and surely there 
would be in Vancouver, but in a bigger town that means people are spread out 
more and then my concern (b) gets amplified, too.


All that said, it's not like I'm putting in a hosting proposal, so, right, go 
VANOC^H^HC4LC!

  -Dan


p.s. if we could try out a "lightning talk cross" session where four people 
talk all at the same time, i'm in for sure.

  

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Dan Chudnov]

On Mar 2, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote:

> Should be long enough after C4LN and between Access conferences so as
> not to interfere.
> 
> I'd encourage the Vancouver contingent to put forward its proposal; if
> it gets the most votes, the community has spoken.

I agree about putting forward the proposal, and the voting, and not conflicting 
with C4LN, but not about Access.  I have a few concerns about the idea of 
code4libcon in Vancouver.  When the vote comes, though, if it's the only 
option, well, there we'll be.

Just to air said concerns... maybe this should be on the conf list but the 
thread's here, so, whatever.

(a) I don't want to have to choose between code4lib and Access and if they're 
both in Canada I might have to choose; Access would win.  This concern is one 
of the reasons we didn't try a code4libcon before 2006, though maybe the number 
of us who share this concern is small.

(b) of the five code4libcons we've had, the ones that have been the most fun to 
me have been the ones in smaller towns (corvallis, athens, asheville) where 
we're more likely to stumble into other attendees as the evening... uh... 
"progresses".  Vancouver would be the biggest host city yet.  It's a great town 
and I'd love to return there but it's not small by any measure.

(c) in early years we emphasized keeping code4libcon cheap and have continued 
to succeed at that by using sponsorships to keep the registration fee low.  
It's good to be able to draw in students and people who are interested but not 
directly supported or who might choose to go on their own dime.  These past two 
years the conf hotel rate has crept up some, with a good block rate but still 
well over $100/night.  Vancouver's a more expensive town than any we've been in 
before, so I'd worry we'd be shutting some people out.  I think there's been 
some kind of lower cost hotel or hostel option in every town, and surely there 
would be in Vancouver, but in a bigger town that means people are spread out 
more and then my concern (b) gets amplified, too.


All that said, it's not like I'm putting in a hosting proposal, so, right, go 
VANOC^H^HC4LC!

  -Dan


p.s. if we could try out a "lightning talk cross" session where four people 
talk all at the same time, i'm in for sure.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Michael J. Giarlo]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:14, MJ Suhonos  wrote:
>
> More specifically, I wonder what thoughts people have about how a VanC4L2011 
> might affect / be affected by the C4L North proposal, and Eric's comment that 
> C4L was originally "envisioned as an Access USA".  There seems to be a strong 
> contingent on both sides of the 49th parallel these days.
>

Not concerned at all given that C4LC is scheduled for late February.
Should be long enough after C4LN and between Access conferences so as
not to interfere.

I'd encourage the Vancouver contingent to put forward its proposal; if
it gets the most votes, the community has spoken.

-Mike

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Mark Jordan]

- "Sean Hannan"  wrote:

> As someone who has done a lot of US->Vancouver travel, here's a
> protip:  Fly into Sea-Tac and then take the Quick Shuttle
> (http://www.quickcoach.com/) across the border ($40ish USD).  You
> won't get dinged on airport international travel fees and you will
> have a lot more flight options.  Just in case the international travel
> costs were going to factor in to anyone's attendance...
> 

Sean, thanks, that's an awesome tip, especially considering that the Quick 
Shuttle says it goes to downtown Vancouver and provides 'door step service to 
most major hotels'.

Also, sorry if this is probably too much detail at this point, thanks to the 
Olympic legacy (taxpayers) Vancouver now has direct light rail 
service (SkyTrain) from the airport to downtown for $3.75 (peak) / $2.50 
(evenings + weekends). 

Either way, better than paying $35 for a cab from the airport to downtown.

Mark

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[MJ Suhonos]

>> More specifically, I wonder what thoughts people have about how a
>> VanC4L2011 might affect / be affected by the C4L North proposal, and
>> Eric's comment that C4L was originally "envisioned as an Access USA". 
>> There seems to be a strong contingent on both sides of the 49th
>> parallel these days.
> 
> In our western ignorance Paul and I hadn't even considered the possible 
> impact of a Vancouver c4l on the May conference back east... but if people 
> see that impact as greater than negligible, please speak up.

Oh, that's right, it's all warm weather and Olympic gold medals and centre of 
the universe to you Vancouver folks.  Sheesh.  There is a world East of the 
Rockies, you know. ;-)

To be clear, I'd assumed any impact would be negligible, and as Edward says, 
the regional meet-ups considered as separate -- if anything, complimentary -- 
events.  I'm always happy to help out with a few beer towers at Steamworks, 
given the chance.

MJ

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[John Fereira]

Mark Jordan wrote:

Hey MJ,

- "MJ Suhonos"  wrote:

  

More specifically, I wonder what thoughts people have about how a
VanC4L2011 might affect / be affected by the C4L North proposal, and
Eric's comment that C4L was originally "envisioned as an Access USA". 
There seems to be a strong contingent on both sides of the 49th

parallel these days.




In our western ignorance Paul and I hadn't even considered the possible impact 
of a Vancouver c4l on the May conference back east... but if people see that 
impact as greater than negligible, please speak up.
That's okay.  As an easterner (although I am formerly a west coaster) I 
hadn't considered that a Vancouver code4lib conference might impact a 
Code4Lib North conference in May.  If at all possible I'd consider going 
to both of them.


--
John Fereira
Cornell University
Twitter: @john_fereira
Google Wave: fere...@googlewave.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Mark Jordan]

Hey MJ,

- "MJ Suhonos"  wrote:

> 
> More specifically, I wonder what thoughts people have about how a
> VanC4L2011 might affect / be affected by the C4L North proposal, and
> Eric's comment that C4L was originally "envisioned as an Access USA". 
> There seems to be a strong contingent on both sides of the 49th
> parallel these days.
> 

In our western ignorance Paul and I hadn't even considered the possible impact 
of a Vancouver c4l on the May conference back east... but if people see that 
impact as greater than negligible, please speak up.

Mark

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Sean Hannan]

As someone who has done a lot of US->Vancouver travel, here's a protip:  Fly 
into Sea-Tac and then take the Quick Shuttle (http://www.quickcoach.com/) 
across the border ($40ish USD).  You won't get dinged on airport international 
travel fees and you will have a lot more flight options.  Just in case the 
international travel costs were going to factor in to anyone's attendance...

-Sean


On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:14 AM, MJ Suhonos wrote:

>> Yes, a group of us at the University of British Columbia and Simon Fraser
>> University in sushi-ski-beach-beer-MichaelBuble-soaked Vancouver, BC are
>> intending on submitting a proposal to host.
> 
> More specifically, I wonder what thoughts people have about how a VanC4L2011 
> might affect / be affected by the C4L North proposal, and Eric's comment that 
> C4L was originally "envisioned as an Access USA".  There seems to be a strong 
> contingent on both sides of the 49th parallel these days.
> 
> Having worked for UBC and SFU for a number of years (though, from Toronto), 
> I'll add my +1 to Vancouver for a 2011 venue.  But I'm still pushing for 
> Kingston in May as well.
> 
> MJ

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Edward M. Corrado]

MJ Suhonos wrote:

Yes, a group of us at the University of British Columbia and Simon Fraser
University in sushi-ski-beach-beer-MichaelBuble-soaked Vancouver, BC are
intending on submitting a proposal to host.



More specifically, I wonder what thoughts people have about how a VanC4L2011 might affect 
/ be affected by the C4L North proposal, and Eric's comment that C4L was originally 
"envisioned as an Access USA".  There seems to be a strong contingent on both 
sides of the 49th parallel these days.

Having worked for UBC and SFU for a number of years (though, from Toronto), 
I'll add my +1 to Vancouver for a 2011 venue.  But I'm still pushing for 
Kingston in May as well.

MJ
  
I don't think it should effect the C4L North proposal at all . I see 
these regional thinks as separate events. If it would effect any, I 
think the C$L Northwest in Portland would be effected the most - but 
either way, the regional groups should continue to move forward.


C4L being held in Canada may effect voting, I don't know. We'll have to 
see what people vote and what other options appear. I do think there is 
something to C4L being south of the border and C4L being north but now 
that C4L is established and is not really the same as Access (and is in 
a different time frame) maybe that distinction isn't as important as it 
once was. Having recently been to Vancouver, I can tell you I'm more 
concerned about costs then it being in Canada (although I guess it being 
in Canada is related to the costs to some degree).


Edward

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[MJ Suhonos]

> Yes, a group of us at the University of British Columbia and Simon Fraser
> University in sushi-ski-beach-beer-MichaelBuble-soaked Vancouver, BC are
> intending on submitting a proposal to host.

More specifically, I wonder what thoughts people have about how a VanC4L2011 
might affect / be affected by the C4L North proposal, and Eric's comment that 
C4L was originally "envisioned as an Access USA".  There seems to be a strong 
contingent on both sides of the 49th parallel these days.

Having worked for UBC and SFU for a number of years (though, from Toronto), 
I'll add my +1 to Vancouver for a 2011 venue.  But I'm still pushing for 
Kingston in May as well.

MJ

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Roy Tennant]

I was with you until the "MichaelBuble" part...but srsly, I think Vancouver
would rock. Looking forward to seeing the proposal.
Roy


On 2/25/10 2/25/10 € 7:37 AM, "Paul Joseph"  wrote:

> Yes, a group of us at the University of British Columbia and Simon Fraser
> University in sushi-ski-beach-beer-MichaelBuble-soaked Vancouver, BC are
> intending on submitting a proposal to host.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul Joseph
> Systems Librarian
> 
> UBC Library
> Library Systems & Information Technology
> Irving K. Barber Learning Centre, Room 142
> 1961 East Mall
> Vancouver, BC
> V6T 1Z1
> 
> Phone: 604-827-5132
> Email: paul.jos...@ubc.ca
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Roy Tennant  wrote:
> 
>> Two weeks ago we announced the opening of proposals to host Code4Lib 2011:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Code4Lib 2010 is going on now, and applications to host the 2011 conference
>> will close at the end of next week. Since it might be an opportune time to
>> discuss potential venues and hosts at the conference, can anyone who is
>> intending on submitting a proposal on or before Friday, March 5th please
>> say
>> so? This could be as simple as ³Yes, a group of us at Kaanapali Beach on
>> Maui are intending on submitting a proposal to host.² Thanks,
>> Roy
>> 
> 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Paul Joseph]

Yes, a group of us at the University of British Columbia and Simon Fraser
University in sushi-ski-beach-beer-MichaelBuble-soaked Vancouver, BC are
intending on submitting a proposal to host.

Thanks,

Paul Joseph
Systems Librarian

UBC Library
Library Systems & Information Technology
Irving K. Barber Learning Centre, Room 142
1961 East Mall
Vancouver, BC
V6T 1Z1

Phone: 604-827-5132
Email: paul.jos...@ubc.ca


On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Roy Tennant  wrote:

> Two weeks ago we announced the opening of proposals to host Code4Lib 2011:
>
> 
>
> Code4Lib 2010 is going on now, and applications to host the 2011 conference
> will close at the end of next week. Since it might be an opportune time to
> discuss potential venues and hosts at the conference, can anyone who is
> intending on submitting a proposal on or before Friday, March 5th please
> say
> so? This could be as simple as ³Yes, a group of us at Kaanapali Beach on
> Maui are intending on submitting a proposal to host.² Thanks,
> Roy
>

[CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

[Roy Tennant]

Two weeks ago we announced the opening of proposals to host Code4Lib 2011:



Code4Lib 2010 is going on now, and applications to host the 2011 conference
will close at the end of next week. Since it might be an opportune time to
discuss potential venues and hosts at the conference, can anyone who is
intending on submitting a proposal on or before Friday, March 5th please say
so? This could be as simple as ³Yes, a group of us at Kaanapali Beach on
Maui are intending on submitting a proposal to host.² Thanks,
Roy