date:20080820

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> setup - so use x-ui.sh in the illume svn dir (it runs xephyr for you, sets up
> some modmappings for qtopia - not interesting on a desktop unless you have a
> desktop x86 build of the qtopia x11 port, and it runs e with the illume
> profile).

Thanks. With x-ui.sh I get an error which I don't seem to be able to
copy&paste. Screenshot is at

http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/illume-issue1.png

The module in question is in

/home/lindi/installdir/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/linux-gnu-i686/module.so

so I probably need to figure out how to configure E to find it there?

> as for accessing keyboard. even if you have the manual button, it will be
> disabled.. if you have a usb keyboard plugged in (yes! that code in illume 
> that
> detects a physical keyboard like bluetooth and/or usb keyboards plugged in) is
> working! :)
>
> luckily for you... there is a config file for that.
> you need to put a file in ~/.e/e/keyboards for your desktop to work around 
> it's
> default setup as to what "input devices" to ignore (eg ignore build in 
> keyboard
> interfaces that dont actually provide a real keyboard):
>
>  9:42AM ~/.e/e/keyboards > cat ignore_built_in_keyboards 
> /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/*
>
> so just make a file that has that. you'll notice illume ships with one for the
> "system" that is:
>
>  9:43AM ~ >
> cat 
> /usr/local/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/ignore_built_in_keyboards
>  /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_*
>
> so this ignores things like ps/2 and at keyboards, but usb keyboards are
> "removable device" style keyboards and thus disable the vkbd :)

Ok.

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Joel Newkirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> http://newkirk.us/om/dnscache_2.1.5_armv4t.ipk and let me know of any

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Re: Substitute batteries

2008-08-20 Thread Michael Shiloh



Joel Newkirk wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:49:05 -0700, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Joel Newkirk wrote:
>>> My guess is that it incorporates some constants that depend on the
>> actual
>>> battery pack.  Note that I don't actually KNOW that it's in the battery,
>>> but previous ML posts by folks at Openmoko refer to it as 'in the
>> battery',
>>> and with a bl-5c installed almost all battery-related entries in sysfs
>> are
>>> unpopulated.
>> This is to confirm that the coulomb counter is in the battery pack. Why?
>> Because it stores the count, and if you swap batteries, you need to know
>> the count for the battery in the device, not for the one you removed.
> 
> Makes perfect sense. Is it a custom IC, something off-the-shelf, or what? 

That I don't know. Joerg, any reason we don't open source this 
schematic, since we did all of GTA02?



> Could it be cheaply retrofitted by a hobbyist into a BL-5c clone battery? 

There is the space issue of course.


> I'm quite happy to crack one open, just not my Openmoko battery... ;)  
> 
> Barring the workability of that idea, I'm hoping we can adapt the battery
> management/monitoring software to fallback to the 'dumb cellphone' approach
> and let us safely charge, and have some idea of remaining capacity of,
> non-Openmoko batteries if it detects a battery present without the coulomb
> counter circuit.

Yes, this should be done in any case, so that a "dumb" battery can 
always be used.


> 
> j
>  
>>> j
>>>
>>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:13:00 -0400, "Charles Pax"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:29 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> OK, I have a few Nokia batteries laying around, BL-5c and BL-6c, and
> desktop chargers.  They power the Freerunner fine, and seem to charge
 when
> they're in the FR plugged in.  But the Freerunner doesn't know what to
 do
> with them apart from that, presumably since they lack the Openmoko
 coulomb
> counter circuit.
 The coulomb counter circuitry is in the battery? Why isn't this on the
 board
 itself?

 -Charles
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Re: Substitute batteries

2008-08-20 Thread Joel Newkirk

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:49:05 -0700, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> 
> 
> Joel Newkirk wrote:
>> My guess is that it incorporates some constants that depend on the
> actual
>> battery pack.  Note that I don't actually KNOW that it's in the battery,
>> but previous ML posts by folks at Openmoko refer to it as 'in the
> battery',
>> and with a bl-5c installed almost all battery-related entries in sysfs
> are
>> unpopulated.
> 
> This is to confirm that the coulomb counter is in the battery pack. Why?
> Because it stores the count, and if you swap batteries, you need to know
> the count for the battery in the device, not for the one you removed.

Makes perfect sense. Is it a custom IC, something off-the-shelf, or what? 
Could it be cheaply retrofitted by a hobbyist into a BL-5c clone battery? 
I'm quite happy to crack one open, just not my Openmoko battery... ;)  

Barring the workability of that idea, I'm hoping we can adapt the battery
management/monitoring software to fallback to the 'dumb cellphone' approach
and let us safely charge, and have some idea of remaining capacity of,
non-Openmoko batteries if it detects a battery present without the coulomb
counter circuit.

j
 
>>
>> j
>>
>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:13:00 -0400, "Charles Pax"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:29 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 OK, I have a few Nokia batteries laying around, BL-5c and BL-6c, and
 desktop chargers.  They power the Freerunner fine, and seem to charge
>>> when
 they're in the FR plugged in.  But the Freerunner doesn't know what to
>>> do
 with them apart from that, presumably since they lack the Openmoko
>>> coulomb
 counter circuit.
>>>
>>> The coulomb counter circuitry is in the battery? Why isn't this on the
>>> board
>>> itself?
>>>
>>> -Charles
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Re: 2008.08 - qtopia calendar is quiet

2008-08-20 Thread nickd

Same happens to me both on and suspended. Using August 08 build.  Alarm 
works fine though. Even brings it out of suspend which is nice :)

-Nick

Michael Kluge wrote:
> Hi,
>
> can anyone confirm that the qtopia calendar application does not make any 
> attempt to make a noise when it is supposed to? I put an event into it, 
> marked it as "ring 5 minutes before" and nothing happend. Anyone with the 
> same/different experience? 
>
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Re: Substitute batteries

2008-08-20 Thread Michael Shiloh



Joel Newkirk wrote:
> My guess is that it incorporates some constants that depend on the actual
> battery pack.  Note that I don't actually KNOW that it's in the battery,
> but previous ML posts by folks at Openmoko refer to it as 'in the battery',
> and with a bl-5c installed almost all battery-related entries in sysfs are
> unpopulated.

This is to confirm that the coulomb counter is in the battery pack. Why? 
Because it stores the count, and if you swap batteries, you need to know 
the count for the battery in the device, not for the one you removed.

> 
> j
> 
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:13:00 -0400, "Charles Pax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:29 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, I have a few Nokia batteries laying around, BL-5c and BL-6c, and
>>> desktop chargers.  They power the Freerunner fine, and seem to charge
>> when
>>> they're in the FR plugged in.  But the Freerunner doesn't know what to
>> do
>>> with them apart from that, presumably since they lack the Openmoko
>> coulomb
>>> counter circuit.
>>
>> The coulomb counter circuitry is in the battery? Why isn't this on the
>> board
>> itself?
>>
>> -Charles
> 
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2008.08 - qtopia calendar is quiet

2008-08-20 Thread Michael Kluge

Hi,

can anyone confirm that the qtopia calendar application does not make any 
attempt to make a noise when it is supposed to? I put an event into it, 
marked it as "ring 5 minutes before" and nothing happend. Anyone with the 
same/different experience? 


Regards, Michael

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Re: Substitute batteries

2008-08-20 Thread Joel Newkirk

My guess is that it incorporates some constants that depend on the actual
battery pack.  Note that I don't actually KNOW that it's in the battery,
but previous ML posts by folks at Openmoko refer to it as 'in the battery',
and with a bl-5c installed almost all battery-related entries in sysfs are
unpopulated.

j

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:13:00 -0400, "Charles Pax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:29 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> OK, I have a few Nokia batteries laying around, BL-5c and BL-6c, and
>> desktop chargers.  They power the Freerunner fine, and seem to charge
> when
>> they're in the FR plugged in.  But the Freerunner doesn't know what to
> do
>> with them apart from that, presumably since they lack the Openmoko
> coulomb
>> counter circuit.
> 
> 
> The coulomb counter circuitry is in the battery? Why isn't this on the
> board
> itself?
> 
> -Charles

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Tester please?

2008-08-20 Thread Joel Newkirk

I've packaged up the dnscache and daemontools programs by Dan J Bernstein
(djbdns) and would like someone to test the ipk for me.  I've got the full
thing installed on my Freerunner now, including unnecessary files and
additional files used for testing and unused services, so installing the
package on my Freerunner would really only be a valid test if I reflashed
first.

daemontools is simply a daemon/service management system, and dnscache is
the caching-only DNS server binary from the djbdns package.  (which
includes full DNS server, email RBL blackhole server, client and testing
tools, etc)  The effect of having them installed and running on the
Freerunner is that any DNS lookups (like the tangoGPS lookup for every
single map tile downloaded!!) are cached locally, so that repeat lookups
are nearly instant - a big difference when using GPRS in particular.  It
starts several tasks, which normally consume about 1% of RAM and 0% of CPU,
and about 300k on disk.  I've been running it on 2008.08 (regularly 'opkg
update'd) for a week now with no ill effects, only benefits.  (well, apart
from having to putz with /etc/resolv.conf frequently, which I've overcome
personally but not yet in the ipk)

I'm hoping someone can try to install it and let me know if all works well.
 There are a few things as yet incomplete:  if uninstalled, the package
removes the files, folders, and created user, but doesn't presently remove
the startup line from /etc/inittab.  Also, it's currently up to the user to
cause their /etc/resolv.conf to always read 'nameserver 127.0.0.1' - more
properly the installation should short-circuit ifup and so on so that they
do not overwrite resolv.conf.  I'm working out the best approach for that
right now.  (again it works on my Freerunner, but I want it simpler and
more 'proper')  It would be easier if all Freerunner networking utilized
resolvconf...

So the package is NOT ready for public consumption, though the programs it
installs work as expected on my system.  It is presently configured largely
as it would be on a server in a network center, with modified paths,
including logging all queries. (though logging is severely limited, I plan
to eliminate it entirely for final release ipk)

Any takers can download the ipk at
http://newkirk.us/om/dnscache_2.1.5_armv4t.ipk and let me know of any
problems encountered.  

NOTE: the installer does modify /etc/inittab, by adding the line
"SV:123456:respawn:/usr/local/djbdns/package/admin/daemontools/command/svscanboot"
at the end, and it does NOT yet remove that line when uninstalled.  

Once installed, make sure you have a working internet connection from the
Freerunner, then check "cat /etc/resolv.conf" and invoke "echo 'nameserver
127.0.0.1' >/etc/resolv.conf", then try hitting a FQDN, like "ping
google.com" and see if it resolves the IP from the FQDN.

If you remove it you will need to manually remove the svcscanboot
startup/respawn line from /etc/inittab, then reboot, then uninstall. 
(polish on the install/uninstall scripts will eliminate the need for that
when released, but for now uninstall just uninstalls and removes created
folders, links, and user 'dnscache')


Separately, I had a query:  Since this is technically two programs, from
two separate packages of sourcecode, should it be distributed as two ipks? 
dnscache depends on daemontools, and packaging separately would be pretty
simple, but I don't presently see the usefulness.

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Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now available

2008-08-20 Thread Mike Baroukh

Yes ! I was able tu build my own images ! ...
Thanks a lot.

real430m50.083s
user285m0.305s
sys 72m2.178s


Just a note : when compiling, it says that it should be faster with
"psyco jit".
I don't know if it's really faster but I just installed package
"python-psyco" and it doesn't complain anymore.
It's not in you package list.
If it really speed process, maybe you can add it to your server ...

Thanks again.

Mike

Rod Whitby a écrit :
> I have created an unofficial auto-builder for the FSO
> distribution at http://shr.bearstech.com (hosting of the
> server is provided by Bearstech - I have no relationship
> with Bearstech other than managing the auto-builder that
> runs on the server they have provided for this purpose).
>
> The server currently contains continuous builds of the
> fso-testing and fso-unstable distributions for the
> OpenMoko GTA01 (Neo 1973) and GTA02 (Neo FreeRunner).
> In the future it will also contain continuous builds of the
> shr-testing and shr-unstable distributions.
>
> The fso-testing and fso-unstable distributions are built
> from the org.openembedded.dev branch of the
> git://git.openembedded.net/org.openembedded.dev.git repository.
> Both are built with DISTRO set to 'openmoko' and MACHINE set
> to sequentially to 'om-gta01' and 'om-gta02'.
>
> The fso-testing distribution builds the versions of packages
> specified in the preferred-om-2008-versions.inc file and the
> sane-srcrevs.inc file.  A key feature of the fso-testing
> distribution is that the package versions do not change unless
> by direct action of developers to update those files.  The
> intention is that this results in a recent set of packages that
> have undergone some rudimentary testing by the developers.
>
> The fso-unstable distribution allows a certain set of packages
> (defined in the moko-autorev.inc and fso-autorev.inc files) to
> 'float', and therefore is more likely to have the absolute latest
> version of any package, but also more likely to include versions
> of packages that do not not work and sometimes do not even build.
>
> The set of packages built is determined by contents of the
> task-openmoko-feed recipe in the OpenEmbedded repository.
>
> Build results are reported continuously to the oestats server at
> http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builders/shr.bearstech.com/
>
> All source tarballs used can be found in the sources directory
> on the server.
>
> Note that images that are rebuilt multiples times on the same day
> are overwritten.  The server operates in the CEST timezone.
>
> To replicate the configuration of this server, you should use a
> Debian Lenny host operating system, with the host package
> configuration as specified in the sources.list and dpkg-list.txt
> files in the server-config directory.
>
> Then copy the Makefile and 'common' directory to your build area.
> Read the Makefile for further documentation and instructions.
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kernel module dev

2008-08-20 Thread freerunner

I've got a question on kernel development.  I want to try to get some USB
webcam support working, which requires gspca plus usb-video and a few other
modules, not presently being build.  can someone lead me by the hand to the
simplest path to being able to build modules for the 2008.08 kernel?  Until
recently gspca has been built outside the kernel source tree, but
apparently is merged into the standard kernel source as of 2.6.26 or
2.6.27.  This driver covers perhaps 35% of USB webcams, including much of
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Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now available

2008-08-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi

> Kevin Fenzi (by way of Kevin Fenzi ) wrote:
> > Just read your announcement about the testing and unnstable FSO
> > feeds. 
> > 
> > Awesome work. ;) A few quick questions tho: 
> > 
> > 1. How can we request/test new packages be added to the
> > task-openmoko-feed ? (In particular I would love to see FBRreader,
> > irssi, twinkle and a few others. ;) Also, is there an easy way to
> > list whats in that feed now?
> 
> Anyone with commit access to the OpenEmbedded repository can add to
> the feed by modifying the task-openmoko-feed.bb file.
> 
> You can see it's contents at:
> 
> 

ok. Cool. 

> > 2. The Packages* files seem to all be 0 length there... 
> > ie, look in: 
> > 
> > http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/ipk/
> 
> Packages* files at the top level are not used.  Look in the
> subdirectories.

Ah, makes sense. 

> > 3. Are the feed files in each of the branches setup to point to
> > those repos for updates? Ie, if I install the unstable image, will
> > updates pull from unstable?
> 
> At the moment, no.  Mickey would need to modify the standard image
> feeds config to do that.

ok. 

I installed the unstable image, and tried to use either the unstable or
testing feeds here, and I get: 

a bunch of: 
Assuming locally installed package  is up to date.

then a bunch of: 
 
* Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures
configured

Can't seem to install or update anything. ;( 

> -- Rod

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Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now available

2008-08-20 Thread Rod Whitby

Kevin Fenzi (by way of Kevin Fenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> Just read your announcement about the testing and unnstable FSO feeds. 
> 
> Awesome work. ;) A few quick questions tho: 
> 
> 1. How can we request/test new packages be added to the
> task-openmoko-feed ? (In particular I would love to see FBRreader,
> irssi, twinkle and a few others. ;) Also, is there an easy way to list
> whats in that feed now?

Anyone with commit access to the OpenEmbedded repository can add to the
feed by modifying the task-openmoko-feed.bb file.

You can see it's contents at:



> 2. The Packages* files seem to all be 0 length there... 
> ie, look in: 
> 
> http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/ipk/

Packages* files at the top level are not used.  Look in the subdirectories.

> 3. Are the feed files in each of the branches setup to point to those
> repos for updates? Ie, if I install the unstable image, will updates
> pull from unstable?

At the moment, no.  Mickey would need to modify the standard image feeds
config to do that.

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Re: Substitute batteries

2008-08-20 Thread Charles Pax

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:29 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> OK, I have a few Nokia batteries laying around, BL-5c and BL-6c, and
> desktop chargers.  They power the Freerunner fine, and seem to charge when
> they're in the FR plugged in.  But the Freerunner doesn't know what to do
> with them apart from that, presumably since they lack the Openmoko coulomb
> counter circuit.


The coulomb counter circuitry is in the battery? Why isn't this on the board
itself?

-Charles
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Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now available

2008-08-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi

Greetings. 

Just read your announcement about the testing and unnstable FSO feeds. 

Awesome work. ;) A few quick questions tho: 

1. How can we request/test new packages be added to the
task-openmoko-feed ? (In particular I would love to see FBRreader,
irssi, twinkle and a few others. ;) Also, is there an easy way to list
whats in that feed now?

2. The Packages* files seem to all be 0 length there... 
ie, look in: 

http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/ipk/

3. Are the feed files in each of the branches setup to point to those
repos for updates? Ie, if I install the unstable image, will updates
pull from unstable?

Thanks for the great work. 

kevin


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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

2008-08-20 Thread clare johnstone

On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Joachim Breitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
.
> Illume needs the latest enlightment libraries, so we can package it as
> soon as the next e snapshot enters Debian. This will happen after the
> CVS→SVN change of e, AFAIK.
>
> Until then, you can use the AUX button to fire up a keyboard and then
> press Alt-Ctrl-X to get an xterm and Alt-Tab to switch between
> application. This is all a Debian user needs, right :-)

And then there will be a Window manager? and the above quick and easy
system will be gone??
I suppose it is a waste of the Aux button, but compared with Debian
startup on the
GTA01 it is a wonderful new world.

clare
(who really likes the simple and primitive - and fast)

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> Greetings,
> Joachim
>
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Re: Debian Install failure: Hash Sum Mismatch

2008-08-20 Thread Robin Paulson

2008/8/21 Ben Holt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Joseph Reeves wrote:
>> I'm using the 512 card that shipped with the gta01. I think it's the
>> same as the one that came with the FreeRunner, although I lost that
>> one whilst drunk in a Chicken Cottage (it was in my wallet after I had
>> removed it from the phone to fix the GPS troubles).
>>
>
> Sorry, but you can't just give us a smidgen of information like "I lost
> that one whilst drunk in a Chicken Cottage" without going into further
> detail.  I've "lost" plenty of money from my wallet while errr
> whilst... drunk, but never a SD card and never in a "chicken cottage",
> whatever the heck that is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Cottage

how very anti-climactic

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Substitute batteries

2008-08-20 Thread freerunner

OK, I have a few Nokia batteries laying around, BL-5c and BL-6c, and
desktop chargers.  They power the Freerunner fine, and seem to charge when
they're in the FR plugged in.  But the Freerunner doesn't know what to do
with them apart from that, presumably since they lack the Openmoko coulomb
counter circuit.  

So the questions are:

Is it safe to charge one to capacity in the Freerunner?  I'm not confident
it can sense when to stop charging.

Can the battery applet be expanded to be able to provide a capacity
estimate for non-openmoko batteries?  (base it off voltage from battery?
How do most cellphones come up with their estimates?)

How complex is the coulomb-counter circuit - is it something that could be
acquired and retrofitted onto a Nokia battery with moderate modifications
of the casing?

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Re: Extended battery pack

2008-08-20 Thread Charles Pax

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Robert William Hutton <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> In order to use TangoGPS over extended periods, I created myself an
> extended battery pack for the Neo FreeRunner from bits and pieces I had
> lying around.  Check out my blog post for instructions:
>
> http://helms-deep.cable.nu/~rwh/blog/?p=42
>

Pretty cool, Rob. Thanks for sharing this.

The following are three questions Rob has posted on the above website.
- Can we charge the neo at 1000mA from AA batteries without damaging
anything?  If so, would it be worth fitting the 47.5 kOhm resistor between
the "ID" and "GND" pins of the USB connector?
- What is the most efficient way to use the external batteries?  Intuitively
I suspect it's best to not charge the internal battery from the external
ones as there would be a lot of inefficiency involved.  Perhaps running at
100mA charge rate most of the time, then switching to 500mA when the neo's
battery got low?
- Does anyone know how much current the neo draws when it's set to (say)
500mA and the battery fills up?  It would be a very inefficient way to use
the external batteries and would generate a lot of heat if it continued to
draw more current than it needed.

-Charles
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Re: Debian Install failure: Hash Sum Mismatch

2008-08-20 Thread Ben Holt

Joseph Reeves wrote:
> I'm using the 512 card that shipped with the gta01. I think it's the
> same as the one that came with the FreeRunner, although I lost that
> one whilst drunk in a Chicken Cottage (it was in my wallet after I had
> removed it from the phone to fix the GPS troubles).
>   

Sorry, but you can't just give us a smidgen of information like "I lost 
that one whilst drunk in a Chicken Cottage" without going into further 
detail.  I've "lost" plenty of money from my wallet while errr 
whilst... drunk, but never a SD card and never in a "chicken cottage", 
whatever the heck that is.

- Ben

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Re: Extended battery pack

2008-08-20 Thread Korbinian Rosenegger

Hi community :)

On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 12:31 +1000, Robert William Hutton wrote:
> In order to use TangoGPS over extended periods, I created myself an 
> extended battery pack for the Neo FreeRunner from bits and pieces I had 
> lying around.  Check out my blog post for instructions:
> 
> http://helms-deep.cable.nu/~rwh/blog/?p=42

Nice project, power everywhere where you can get AA batteries :)


For those who don't want to build a battery pack or who are just to lazy
to do that, here's a small rechargeable USB power pack, 2000mAh capacity
and 1000mA output current, for 18,50 Euro:

NAVILOCK 41406
http://www.reichelt.de/?ARTICLE=80419


And another one from APC, with similar specifications, but higher output
current and an included USB charger, for 46,95 Euro:

APC UPB10-EC
http://www.reichelt.de/?ARTICLE=74033


I guess Reichelt is only interesting for Germany since you have to order
at least for 150 Euro otherwise, and also shipping will be more
expensive, but I'm sure you can find these or similar products in other
shops.



Happy Freerunning :)


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Extended battery pack

2008-08-20 Thread Robert William Hutton

Hi All,

In order to use TangoGPS over extended periods, I created myself an 
extended battery pack for the Neo FreeRunner from bits and pieces I had 
lying around.  Check out my blog post for instructions:

http://helms-deep.cable.nu/~rwh/blog/?p=42

Cheers,

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Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-20 Thread Paul Buede

Since we're top posting... I just want to throw in that I really like OM
2008.8. After seeing all the problems people had with it when it came
out I went to the newest Qtopia but I had issues with reception and
using devices like headsets/speakerphone. I then decided to try OM
2008.8. At first the bugs bothered me, but then I learned it a bit. I
haven't had the incoming call-cannot answer problem in a while. That
bugged me the most. Now, I am only using the phone features and texting
really at this point, but it imported all my contacts just fine. The
battery life isn't outstanding but I am sure it will get better.
All-in-all I think its decent. I had a hard time on occasions when going
to dialer, then contacts then tapping the contact. It wouldn't always
select the contact and go to the screen where I could place a call. I
found that double tapping with my finger seems to always work, lets the
phone know I am serious I guess hahaha. Anyway, I am grateful OM is
here, I waited a long time with my Treo 650, not replacing it until the
Neo came out. So far its not perfect, but its definitely a step in the
right direction, and I have a ton of confidence its going to be
fantastic in the next several months as things get worked out.

Thanks again. And thanks to the community that has been so supportive.

Steve Mosher wrote:
> bingo
>
> Michele Renda wrote:
> This type of comments are the type of comment that I hate most of all.
>
> Please let the people to work in peace, and if you want to make an
> appoint, please make in a constructive way.
>
> We all was knowing that OM 2008.8 was in very early development, and no
> one force you to use it.
>
> People like you bring firms to have a close development process.
>
> Regards
> Michele Renda
>
> Olivier Berger wrote:
> >>> Wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>>
>  Dear community,
> 
>  here is the QA report which has been created before Om 2008.8 was
> released. We
>  simply forgot to send this report to a public list because we
> were too busy
>  with the release preparations. Sorry.
> 
> >>> SNIP
> >>>
>  Due to all these critical major bugs, from our testing team point
> of view:
>  Not stable enough to release our Om 2008.8.
> >>> The subject says it all.
> >>>
> >>> No need for more comments, I guess.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe I should have quoted the release announcement email too !
> >>>
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Re: FSO testing on Neo 1973

2008-08-20 Thread Benito Torres

Hi,

slightly OT, sorry...

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 01:15 (+0200), Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
> FYI, I just installed FSO testing (latest snapshot) on my Neo 1973.
> Looks - I like it!
> screen locker - I like it!

How do you do that? For me, after an opkg upgrade with the fso-testing
feeds pressing the AUX-button doesn't lock the screen anymore. Is there
some other button/procedure now?

Thx,
 /Ben

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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

Ok i fixed it myself.

After reading the "Booting from sd card" wiki article i managed to
install new boot menu entries. One additional for vfat+ext3 and one for
ext2+ext3 boot combinations.

Now i don't get anymore messages for wrong fs type. :)

My xfce is running and now i'm testing the patched input method with the
right mouse key which seems to work nicely. :)

The only thing i'm missing is how i setup the screensaver method. I want
the brightness to dim and after some time to lock the screen like on 2007.2.

Anyone know how to do this?

At the moment the screen is always in full brightness, which isn't very
battery friendly. ;)

Ciao,
 Rainer

Fox Mulder wrote:
> I just installed debian on my new 8gb micro sd card.
> I changed the filesystem to ext3 after partitioning and i also changed
> the fstab to ext3.
> 
> But now when i boot i get some warning messages that the ext3 filesystem
> is mounted as ext2. What else must i change so that the system knows its
> ext3 and doesn't complain about it?
> 
> The installation works quite well without any problems so far. Now i see
> the X screen after my first boot. So far so good. :)
> 
> Ciao,
>  Rainer
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Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-20 Thread Steve Mosher

bingo

Michele Renda wrote:
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> This type of comments are the type of comment that I hate most of all.
> 
> Please let the people to work in peace, and if you want to make an
> appoint, please make in a constructive way.
> 
> We all was knowing that OM 2008.8 was in very early development, and no
> one force you to use it.
> 
> People like you bring firms to have a close development process.
> 
> Regards
> Michele Renda
> 
> Olivier Berger wrote:
>> Wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> Dear community,
>>>
>>> here is the QA report which has been created before Om 2008.8 was released. 
>>> We 
>>> simply forgot to send this report to a public list because we were too busy 
>>> with the release preparations. Sorry.
>>>
>> SNIP
>>
>>> Due to all these critical major bugs, from our testing team point of view:
>>> Not stable enough to release our Om 2008.8.
>> The subject says it all.
>>
>> No need for more comments, I guess.
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>> Maybe I should have quoted the release announcement email too !
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Re: FSO testing on Neo 1973

2008-08-20 Thread Rod Whitby

Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
> FYI, I just installed FSO testing (latest snapshot) on my Neo 1973.
> Looks - I like it!
> screen locker - I like it!
> And many things work also - nice!
> I don't have a SIM card in my 1973 (it's in the FreeRunner) so I can't
> test phone functions.
> 
> GPS - I have installed gllin and I get data from it (tested with 'cat
> //tmp/nmeaNP').
> Should zhone and / or tangoGPS work on this image?

The connection between gllin and TangoGPS is not there on the
fso-testing image (since we're waiting for some major frameworkd changes
to stabilise before Mickey bumps the srcrev).

If you apply the patches in FSO trac tickets 49 and 50, then it works.

BTW, Orrery (a great star chart app) works nicely on it too!

http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/orrery_1.1_arm_2008.8.ipk

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Re: wts Freerunner

2008-08-20 Thread Robert William Hutton

Justin Wong wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> It looks like I won't have enough time and I want this device in good
> hands for development.
> 
> Send me an email if you want to purchase a brand new Freerunner off me.

Probably a good idea to give a description of what kind of condition 
it's in, plus specify its location (for working out likely postage) and 
whether it's an 850 or 900 model.

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Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what is the warranty on theFreerunner?

2008-08-20 Thread Steve Mosher

dont tempt me

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>> So why not a next _alpha_ release on 2008.09.10 at 11:12:13 :-) 
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Re: Order from Pulster

2008-08-20 Thread Vasco Névoa

enaut wrote:
> Christoph Pulster schrieb:
>   
>> Hello,
>>
>> thanks to Openmoko Inc. (great job Harry!) we received the new batch of  
>> units in time. So EVERYBODY who got an order confirmation from me for   
>> delivery-batch 15.08. will get his Freerunner in the next days.
>> In other words, we are busy all the day to ship all orders.
>>
>> Despite very long delivery times and sometimes late replys from my side,
>> Applause to my Openmoko customers, you all are very patient,  
>> understanding and very kind and friendly persons,
>>
>> Chris
>> www.pulster.de
>> Openmoko Shop
>>   
>> 
> I recieved my Gummi bears yesterday :)... thx I was quiet exited about
> the package by pulster I opened it and the first you see is  a small
> package of Gummi bears juhu :)...
>
> So I waited for more than a month and I can say, that it was absolutely
> worth it. So just be patient for another week or two. Meanwhile the
> software is getting better and better so the wow effect will be even bigger.
>
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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

2008-08-20 Thread The Rasterman

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:50:57 +0300 Timo Juhani Lindfors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:

ok. oops. missed 1 check for system conn. fixed in svn. (segv).
as for trynig illume - you ALSO want the illume profile and thus initial config
setup - so use x-ui.sh in the illume svn dir (it runs xephyr for you, sets up
some modmappings for qtopia - not interesting on a desktop unless you have a
desktop x86 build of the qtopia x11 port, and it runs e with the illume
profile).

as for accessing keyboard. even if you have the manual button, it will be
disabled.. if you have a usb keyboard plugged in (yes! that code in illume that
detects a physical keyboard like bluetooth and/or usb keyboards plugged in) is
working! :)

luckily for you... there is a config file for that.
you need to put a file in ~/.e/e/keyboards for your desktop to work around it's
default setup as to what "input devices" to ignore (eg ignore build in keyboard
interfaces that dont actually provide a real keyboard):

 9:42AM ~/.e/e/keyboards > cat ignore_built_in_keyboards 
/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/*

so just make a file that has that. you'll notice illume ships with one for the
"system" that is:

 9:43AM ~ >
cat 
/usr/local/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/ignore_built_in_keyboards 
/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_*

so this ignores things like ps/2 and at keyboards, but usb keyboards are
"removable device" style keyboards and thus disable the vkbd :)

> Hi,
> 
> [Cc'ing to illume author.]
> 
> Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Is there an ETA on illume being packaged?
> > Is there anything that can be done to help?
> 
> I compiled e17 svn head and illume using
> 
> http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_User_Guide/Installing_Using_CVS
> 
> on my debian unstable chroot but
> 
> Configuration -> Modules -> Illume -> Load Module
> 
> just prints
> 
>  SEGMENTATION FAULT 
> 
> Have you managed to get compile illume? GDB shows that it crashes at
> 
> #0  0xb7ac8d1a in e_dbus_message_send (conn=0x0, msg=0x814ef20,
> #cb_return=0xb7ac8c30 , timeout=-1, data=0x0) at
> #e_dbus_message.c:70 1  0xb7ac8dd9 in e_dbus_method_call_send (conn=0x0,
> #msg=0x814ef20, unmarshal_func=0, cb_func=0, free_func=0, timeout=-1,
> #data=0x0) at e_dbus_message.c:115 2  0xb6e6180d in _system_req_state
> #(state=0xb6e74809 "on") at e_pwr.c:87 3  0xb6e6161a in e_pwr_init () at
> #e_pwr.c:27 4  0xb6e550ca in e_modapi_init (m=0x821d220) at e_mod_main.c:46
> #5  0x080ae7a6 in e_module_enable (m=0x821d220) at e_module.c:265 6
> #0x080f0236 in _mod_hash_load (hash=0x85c37e0, key=0x85c3e68 "illume",
> #data=0x85c3ea8, fdata=0x0) at e_int_config_modules.c:642 7  0xb7c1a0e3 in
> #evas_hash_foreach (hash=0x85c37e0, func=0x80f0200 <_mod_hash_load>,
> #fdata=0x0) at evas_hash.c:459 8  0x080ef778 in _enable_modules (enable=1) at
> #e_int_config_modules.c:624 9  0x080f0129 in _btn_cb_load (data=0x8339480,
> #data2=0x0) at e_int_config_modules.c:594 10 0x080d8689 in
> #_e_wid_activate_hook (obj=0x86d2c20) at e_widget_button.c:164 11 0xb7ecad39
> #in edje_match_callback_exec (ppat_signal=0x86de4b8, ppat_source=0x86de098,
> #signal=0x86dd2f8 "e,action,click", source=0x8232610 "", callbacks=0x86bded0,
> #ed=0x86d2e60) at edje_match.c:393 12 0xb7ebf26c in _edje_emit_handle
> #(ed=0x86d2e60, sig=0x86dd2f8 "e,action,click", src=0x8232610 "") at
> #edje_program.c:1009 13 0xb7ec8df2 in _edje_message_process (em=0x8802a18) at
> #edje_message_queue.c:548 14 0xb7ec9567 in _edje_message_queue_process () at
> #edje_message_queue.c:623 15 0xb7ec9653 in _edje_job (data=0x0) at
> #edje_message_queue.c:108 16 0xb7eec752 in _ecore_job_event_handler
> #(data=0x0, type=15, ev=0x873ed58) at ecore_job.c:104 17 0xb7aa793d in
> #_ecore_event_call () at ecore_events.c:429 18 0xb7aaea95 in
> #_ecore_main_loop_iterate_internal (once_only=0) at ecore_main.c:680 19
> #0xb7aaecaf in ecore_main_loop_begin () at ecore_main.c:87 20 0x0806db62 in
> #main (argc=1, argv=0xbfaa9804) at e_main.c:941
> 
> probably because of
> 
> Error connecting to bus: Failed to connect to
> socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused
> 
> My unstable chroot does not have access to dbus outside chroot. After
> 
> sudo mount -o bind /var/run/dbus /sid/var/run/dbus
> 
> I don't see a crash but I can't figure out how to access the
> keyboard. Is there some hotkey to activate it?
> 
> best regards,
> Timo Lindfors


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FSO testing on Neo 1973

2008-08-20 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

FYI, I just installed FSO testing (latest snapshot) on my Neo 1973.
Looks - I like it!
screen locker - I like it!
And many things work also - nice!
I don't have a SIM card in my 1973 (it's in the FreeRunner) so I can't
test phone functions.

GPS - I have installed gllin and I get data from it (tested with 'cat
//tmp/nmeaNP').
Should zhone and / or tangoGPS work on this image?

Very nice work, folks!
-- 
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen

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Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 18:17, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> How did you recreate the same partitioning ? Informations from my
>> fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 before the corruption will be enough to recreate
>> it the same way ?
>
> yupp. just make sure you use "blocks" as unit.
>

ok it works. I recreated the table with fdisk. (fortunately I had the
fdisk -l output I posted before !)
I tried before testdisk but it could not detect correctly my
partitions (presence of logical partition may also have complicated
its task)

Time for me to backup the table now !

Thanks again for the help.

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RE: openvpn?

2008-08-20 Thread Nick Van Fossen


Thanks a lot!  My problem was with the openssl dependencies, which are resolved 
by using the openssl-dev package you referenced.  I was now able to create an 
.ipk package and it works flawlessly with 2008.8.  Now I can actually use my 
phone at work to connect to other work machines through our wifi network...  
all the iPhone users here are going to drool now.  

-Nick


> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:54:04 -0400
> Subject: Re: openvpn?
> 
> What are you having trouble with?  I was able to
> cross-compile
> http://openvpn.net/release/openvpn-2.1_rc9.tar.gz on the
> first attempt with ".
> /usr/local/openmoko/arm/setup-env;./configure
> --host=arm-angstrom-linux;make" after easing
> http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/armv4t/openssl-dev_0.9.7g-r7_armv4t.opk
> into
> /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib. 
> I've not tested it yet.
> 
> j
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Nick Van Fossen 
> To: 
> Subject: openvpn?
> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:42:49 -0700
> 
>> I'm trying to compile openvpn for my FreeRunner, which is
>> running 2008.8, but so far I haven't been successful.  Has
>> anyone else tried to do this yet?  If so I'd appreciate
>> any info on how you were able to.  
>> 
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-20 Thread Sebastian Ohl

Hi,

On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 14:39 -0400, xaos x wrote:
> I'm currently finishing up a battery power python app for any of the system 
> trays (GNOME, XFCE, etc) so you can see battery power when zhone is either 
> not open, or minimized. I plan on adding phone network status and other 
> information to it as well. I'll post the link here when I'm finished.
i'm currently doning the same but it's only a xfce panel plugin so you
can't use it for gnome etc. my program can currently show the status of
the gps,gsm,bt devices. so i did it the other way around. may be we
should combine our afforts so we get a faster solution. i think my next
step would be to build an app to enable or disable the gps&co hardware.

Yours 
 Sebastian Ohl


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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-20 Thread Sebastian Ohl

Hi,
On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 21:25 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
> Network manager doesn't show the network traffic, but permit to
> open/close the connection.
i'm managing my wifi connections with wifi-radar. it works very well but
you have to do some changes to the source because some of the options
set by wifimanager will fail with the openmoko wifi card.
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Re: Order from Pulster

2008-08-20 Thread David Samblas

Yes that gummy bears were the second smail when I open the neo case
El mié, 20-08-2008 a las 21:39 +0200, enaut escribió:
> Christoph Pulster schrieb:
> > Hello,
> >
> > thanks to Openmoko Inc. (great job Harry!) we received the new batch of  
> > units in time. So EVERYBODY who got an order confirmation from me for   
> > delivery-batch 15.08. will get his Freerunner in the next days.
> > In other words, we are busy all the day to ship all orders.
> >
> > Despite very long delivery times and sometimes late replys from my side,
> > Applause to my Openmoko customers, you all are very patient,  
> > understanding and very kind and friendly persons,
> >
> > Chris
> > www.pulster.de
> > Openmoko Shop
> >   
> I recieved my Gummi bears yesterday :)... thx I was quiet exited about
> the package by pulster I opened it and the first you see is  a small
> package of Gummi bears juhu :)...
> 
> So I waited for more than a month and I can say, that it was absolutely
> worth it. So just be patient for another week or two. Meanwhile the
> software is getting better and better so the wow effect will be even bigger.
> 
> enaut
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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

After it boots up the root filesystem is mounted as ext3 how i specified
it in the fstab. So it seems that only while booting something is not
configured right. Maybe i could ignore this message, but i would be
happier if this message doesn't apper. :)

Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I changed the filesystem to ext3 after partitioning and i also changed
>> the fstab to ext3.
> 
> My guess is that the kernel does not have ext3 support. It is not
> properly packaged yet so I can't check /boot/config-`uname -r` to make
> sure though.
> 
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ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-20 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

I am running ASU on my FreeRunner. After it being up for a day or two,
things  (like the touch screen) stops working. ight now it has been up
for:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uptime
 22:53:34 up 3 days,  5:10,  2 users,  load average: 1.01, 1.15, 1.28
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#

>From logread:
Aug 20 22:11:47 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.785000] hald
invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x1201d2, order=0, oomkilladj=0
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.785000]
[] (dump_stack+0x0/0x14) from []
(oom_kill_process+0x58/0xec)
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.795000]
[] (oom_kill_process+0x0/0xec) from []
(out_of_memory+0x1a4/0x1fc)
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.805000]
r7:0134 r6:c6884720 r5:c0387158 r4:c77e73c0
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.81]
[] (out_of_memory+0x0/0x1fc) from []
(__alloc_pages+0x27c/0x308)
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.82]
[] (__alloc_pages+0x0/0x308) from []
(__do_page_cache_readahead+0x148/0x2b0)
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.83]
[] (__do_page_cache_readahead+0x0/0x2b0) from []
(do_page_cache_readahead+0x70/0x80)
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.84]
[] (do_page_cache_readahead+0x0/0x80) from []
(filemap_fault+0x1d4/0x454)
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.85]
r7:c76f6620 r6:c68d2000 r5: r4:
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.855000]
[] (filemap_fault+0x0/0x454) from []
(__do_fault+0x74/0x43c)
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.865000]
[] (__do_fault+0x0/0x43c) from []
(handle_mm_fault+0x308/0x700)
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.87]
[] (handle_mm_fault+0x0/0x700) from []
(do_page_fault+0x100/0x23c)
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.88]
[] (do_page_fault+0x0/0x23c) from []
(do_translation_fault+0x20/0x80)
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.89]
[] (do_translation_fault+0x0/0x80) from []
(do_PrefetchAbort+0x18/0x1c)
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.90]
r5:be9248c0 r4:
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.905000]
[] (do_PrefetchAbort+0x0/0x1c) from []
(ret_from_exception+0x0/0x10)
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.915000] Exception
stack(0xc68d3fb0 to 0xc68d3ff8)
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.92] 3fa0:
  00043660 000389f0 be9247b8 be9248b8
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.925000] 3fc0:
be9248d4 be9248c0 be9248c4 be9248c8 be9248cc be9248d0 000412e0
0001
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.935000] 3fe0:
000414c4 be924778 0002c748 4024c050 2010 
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.94] Mem-info:
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.945000] DMA per-cpu:
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.945000] CPU0:
Hot: hi:   42, btch:   7 usd:  40   Cold: hi:   14, btch:   3 usd:   9
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.95]
Active:27461 inactive:310 dirty:0 writeback:0 unstable:0
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.95]  free:360
slab:1883 mapped:4 pagetables:220 bounce:0
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.955000] DMA
free:1440kB min:1440kB low:1800kB high:2160kB active:109844kB
inactive:1240kB present:130048kB pages_scanned:193944
all_unreclaimable? yes
Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.96]
lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0
Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.965000] DMA: 0*4kB
2*8kB 1*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 1*128kB 1*256kB 0*512kB 1*1024kB 0*2048kB
0*4096kB = 1440kB
Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.975000] Swap cache:
add 0, delete 0, find 0/0, race 0+0
Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.98] Free swap  = 0kB
Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.985000] Total swap = 0kB
Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.985000] Free swap:
  0kB
Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275269.00] 32768 pages of RAM
Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275269.00] 604 free pages
Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275269.00] 1924 reserved pages
Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275269.005000] 1883 slab pages
Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275269.01] 24 pages shared
Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275269.01] 0 pages swap cached
Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.err kernel: [275269.015000] Out of
memory: kill process 1277 (hald) score 308 or a child
Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.err kernel: [275269.02] Killed
process 1278 (hald-runner)

This doesn't look good to me.
Should ASU run out of memory?
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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I changed the filesystem to ext3 after partitioning and i also changed
> the fstab to ext3.

My guess is that the kernel does not have ext3 support. It is not
properly packaged yet so I can't check /boot/config-`uname -r` to make
sure though.

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Why is opkg trying to install neo1973 packages on my FreeRunner?

2008-08-20 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

Why is opkg trying to install kernel and other packages for the
neo1973 on my FreeRunner?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg -test upgrade
Upgrading angstrom-version on root from 1:-20080812-r1 to 1:-20080820-r1...
Downloading
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02//angstrom-version_-20080820-r1_om-gta02.ipk
Upgrading kernel on root from
2:2.6.24+git33+88bf43840b9df0eb0a077a1394eb564be80a412e-r2 to
2:2.6.24+git75965+cb3cc53a76c7f1f7c827d048db7a849e77071515-r1.01...
Downloading
http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/neo1973/kernel_2.6.24+git75965+cb3cc53a76c7f1f7c827d048db7a849e77071515-r1.01_neo1973.opk
Multiple packages (kernel-2.6.24 and kernel-2.6.24) providing same
name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest.
Multiple packages (kernel-2.6.24 and kernel-2.6.24) providing same
name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest.
Multiple packages (kernel-2.6.24 and kernel-2.6.24) providing same
name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest.
Multiple packages (kernel-2.6.24 and kernel-2.6.24) providing same
name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest.
Multiple packages (kernel-2.6.24 and kernel-2.6.24) providing same
name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest.
Multiple packages (kernel-2.6.24 and kernel-2.6.24) providing same
name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest.
Upgrading kernel-2.6.24 on root from
2:2.6.24+git75940+27fc8d82e365c47065f3a9240bfe21e67a50edf2-r1.01 to
2:2.6.24+git75965+cb3cc53a76c7f1f7c827d048db7a849e77071515-r1.01...
Downloading
http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/neo1973/kernel-2.6.24_2.6.24+git75965+cb3cc53a76c7f1f7c827d048db7a849e77071515-r1.01_neo1973.opk
Upgrading kernel-image-2.6.24 on root from
2:2.6.24+git75940+27fc8d82e365c47065f3a9240bfe21e67a50edf2-r1.01 to
2:2.6.24+git75965+cb3cc53a76c7f1f7c827d048db7a849e77071515-r1.01...
Downloading
http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/neo1973/kernel-image-2.6.24_2.6.24+git75965+cb3cc53a76c7f1f7c827d048db7a849e77071515-r1.01_neo1973.opk
Upgrading kernel-module-arc4 on root from
2:2.6.24+git75940+27fc8d82e365c47065f3a9240bfe21e67a50edf2-r1.01 to
2:2.6.24+git75965+cb3cc53a76c7f1f7c827d048db7a849e77071515-r1.01...
Downloading
http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/neo1973/kernel-module-arc4_2.6.24+git75965+cb3cc53a76c7f1f7c827d048db7a849e77071515-r1.01_neo1973.opk

Explain to me how this is not e fault in opkg or package handling.
Or better, how to fix this problem.
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Re: Can't get the phone registered (ticket #1766)

2008-08-20 Thread Alexey Kurochkin

On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 21:58 +0200, Måns Malmberg wrote:
> You can try setting the LCD brightness of the display manually throught 
> you SSH connection. While it's no solution to your suspend problem it 
> might save you from rebooting.
> 
> echo 63 > 
> /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/backlight/pcf50633-bl/brightness

Seems to help a bit. It feels lame rebooting linux.
Thanks!

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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

I just installed debian on my new 8gb micro sd card.
I changed the filesystem to ext3 after partitioning and i also changed
the fstab to ext3.

But now when i boot i get some warning messages that the ext3 filesystem
is mounted as ext2. What else must i change so that the system knows its
ext3 and doesn't complain about it?

The installation works quite well without any problems so far. Now i see
the X screen after my first boot. So far so good. :)

Ciao,
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Re: Booting from SD-card / setting-up a second environment on FR

2008-08-20 Thread thewtex

A.dre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Than I downloaded "Openmoko-Freerunner-20080424-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2" 
> and "uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin" (exactly the same files 
> installed on the phone I believe) in order to write/copy these to 
> SD-card. However, I don't know how to write/copy the jffs2 file to 
> SD-card. (I cannot find the same file in 'tar.gz' format.)

Have a look at here
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner#Unpacking_the_Qtopia_Root_Filesystem_Image

Alternatively, if you have an SD reader on your host box, you can do
cd /jffs/mountpoint
find ./ -xdev -print0 | cpio -pa0V /SD/mountpoint

props to Kyle Rankin from Linux Journal July 2008 for the above

> 
> As I understand the filetype jffs2 is an image comparable with a 
> iso-image of a cd [2]. I learned that it is possible to mount it as a
> 'loopback' device in order to read from the .jffs2 [3]. I also learned 
> that the 'dd'-command (see[4]) can be used to create a .jffs2.
> 
> ==>While learning all this, a totally different approach crossed my mind:
> 
> Would it be possible to duplicate (with the use of dd) the standard 
> environment (the FR ships with) to SD-card (in order to create a second 
> environment)?
> 

note that dfu-util has a download firmware option in addition to an upload
firmware option.


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configuring uboot from the phone Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

2008-08-20 Thread Joachim Breitner

Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 20.08.2008, 19:30 +0530 schrieb Vikas Saurabh:
> Attached is another version of cofigure-uboot.sh. This version can
> 'only' be run from inside booted freerunner (requires fso-utils which
> debian already has).
> 
> Maybe, the choice of external execution or execution from inside
> debian be a parameter to the scriptbut I am just too lazy :)

I have had this code already in the installer script, but had problems
when testing it: uBoot seemed to be confused by the environment,
sometimes it read garbage instead of the first few bytes (the rest was
ok).

So please test Vikas script, if it works reliably for you. If noone has
problems, I’d prefer this method integrated into the installation over
the remote one.

Thanks,
Joachim


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Re: Can't get the phone registered (ticket #1766)

2008-08-20 Thread Måns Malmberg

Alexey Kurochkin wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 20:11 +0200, Måns Malmberg wrote:
 Basically most of the time (more than 9 out of 10) you can't get the
 phone registered after the PIN code is entered. This means you can't
 make a call but strangely you can always receive calls. 
>> I have the exact same problem with 2008.8. Both before and after I 
>> started using Zecke's feed. After I had the phone suspended it usually 
>> register that the GSM is online after a minute or so.
> 
> You guys are lucky. Mine does not receive calls at all on startup. I do
> not have any PIN, so it does not ask me for one. Moreover it does not
> wake up after suspend - the screen is blank. I am not even sure it
> suspends properly, cause I still able to ssh into it and if I issue apm
> -s at that time it gives me apm: Device or resource busy. Only reboot is
> the solution. I saw it register only tree/four times. All when I was
> playing with default GPS program, but it may be only coincidence. Qtopia
> also suffers from it, but not at that extent - it usually recovers
> signal after awhile.
>

You can try setting the LCD brightness of the display manually throught 
you SSH connection. While it's no solution to your suspend problem it 
might save you from rebooting.

echo 63 > 
/sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/backlight/pcf50633-bl/brightness


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Re: Debian Install failure: Hash Sum Mismatch

2008-08-20 Thread Joachim Breitner

Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 19.08.2008, 16:50 +0100 schrieb Joseph Reeves:
> Following the instructions on the Debian wiki, but I get Hash Sum
> Mismath errors on the whilst it fetches packages for apt. Sorry for
> the big cut and paste, but it works until here then dies. Tried twice,
> both times it fails at the same point:
> 
> Get:605 http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable/main
> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad 0.10.7-2 [993kB]
> Get:606 http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable/main mtd-utils 20080508-1 [287kB]
> Get:607 http://ftp2.de.debian.org experimental/main python-ecore 0.2.1-2 
> [295kB]
> Get:608 http://ftp2.de.debian.org experimental/main python-evas 0.2.1-2 
> [374kB]
> Fetched 5899kB in 7min35s (13.0kB/s)
> Failed to fetch
> http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xorg/x11-common_7.3+15_all.deb
>  Hash Sum mismatch
> Failed to fetch

Sorry, no idea. The only guesses I can make are network problems or
hardware failure. It it were only some packages, it might have been a
bad mirror push, but this looks strange.

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: Order from Pulster

2008-08-20 Thread enaut

Christoph Pulster schrieb:
> Hello,
>
> thanks to Openmoko Inc. (great job Harry!) we received the new batch of  
> units in time. So EVERYBODY who got an order confirmation from me for   
> delivery-batch 15.08. will get his Freerunner in the next days.
> In other words, we are busy all the day to ship all orders.
>
> Despite very long delivery times and sometimes late replys from my side,
> Applause to my Openmoko customers, you all are very patient,  
> understanding and very kind and friendly persons,
>
> Chris
> www.pulster.de
> Openmoko Shop
>   
I recieved my Gummi bears yesterday :)... thx I was quiet exited about
the package by pulster I opened it and the first you see is  a small
package of Gummi bears juhu :)...

So I waited for more than a month and I can say, that it was absolutely
worth it. So just be patient for another week or two. Meanwhile the
software is getting better and better so the wow effect will be even bigger.

enaut

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Re: USB keyboard in hostmode?

2008-08-20 Thread Jay Vaughan

> Do you have a source for this info? The only need for external  
> components that
> I'm aware of is the 15k pulldowns when charging while in host mode.


About two years ago I was working on getting USB Host mode working  
"out of the box" on the GP2X, and I ran into this problem - the  
missing cap/resistor combo meant that the USB Host controller  
interface wasn't able to accurately determine what sort of node it was  
communicating with, and thus the onboard Linux driver tried to treat  
it as a hub node when it was really just a 'terminal' node.  I don't  
have a reference for you on this, just going by memory ..


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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-20 Thread Michele Renda

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Network manager doesn't show the network traffic, but permit to
open/close the connection.

The version 0.7 (not yet available for Freerunner but available on
Ubuntu) permit to manage wifi network, vpn connection (OpenVpn and Cisco
VPN) ADSL modem (very useful in Italy) USB connection and GPRS/UMTS
connection.

About the program you are writing, keep present my name for beta testing.

Regards
Michele Renda

xaos x wrote:
> I used the network applet and just configured it to see eth0 and ppp0. I'm 
> not that interested in seeing IP over USB traffic but you could add that by 
> just adding another applet on the taskbar for it.
> 
> I'm currently finishing up a battery power python app for any of the system 
> trays (GNOME, XFCE, etc) so you can see battery power when zhone is either 
> not open, or minimized. I plan on adding phone network status and other 
> information to it as well. I'll post the link here when I'm finished.
> 
> -Tom
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michele Renda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:10:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop
> 
> With the problem with the onscreen keyboard, I solved keeping the
> keyboard closed when booting, and opening it only after the boot.
> 
> It is the only little bug I saw until now!
> 
> Ps: using Network Nanager 0.6 I am not able to saw neither wifi or usb0
> connection.
> 
> Someone had success on it? (for usb0 i know thet Network Manager 0.7
> support it :)
> 
> xaos x wrote:
>> Actually, you don't need to launch xfce4-desktop. just launch xfce4-panel, 
>> then zhone, or vice versa. The onscreen keyboard works *much* better that 
>> way.
> 
>> -Tom
> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Michele Renda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 3:28:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop
> 
>> Playing with [EMAIL PROTECTED] I flight with some problem, and now, because I
>> found a solution, I'd like to share with community.
> 
> 
>> After I installed Debian, it was launching by default zhone. For now I
>> need more a palm, than a phone so I list here all the changes I made to
>> make it usable for me. I hope it can be useful for somehone
> 
>> I installed Debian according the ufficial procedure. Then with
>> ctrl+alt+x I entered in a terminal.
> 
>> With these commands (or in a simplier way, with a ssh) I installed these
>> programs (check internet connectivity)
> 
> 
>> apt-get install aptitude
> 
>> aptitude install xfce abiword gnumeric pidgin tangogps gpsd sonata mpd
> 
>> Then I used the Sebastian Ohl's patch have a left click:
> 
>> (thank you again Sebastian)
> 
>> http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb
> 
>> after I installed it with:
> 
>> dpkg --install xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb
> 
>> I have also to recalibrate the screen:
> 
>> wget http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal
>> mv pointercal /etc/pointercal
> 
>> Then I liked to start my FR direct in XFCE, without passing by zhone:
> 
>> Editing /usr/bin/zhone-session
> 
>> and trasform is something like this:
> 
>> #!/bin/sh
>> exec startxfce4 &
>> matchbox-keyboard-toggle &
>> exec matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar yes
> 
> 
>> (the last yes is to have a close button, I like it more :) )
> 
> 
>> Ps. I think is better to fix the dimension of the font and of the icons
>> (I have 48)
> 
> 
>> I took part of the information from the official Debian guide for FR and
>> from here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian (Have a look
>> there to know how to fix sound and gps, I didn't tried).
> 
>> I hope it help someone.
> 
>> Best regards
>> Michele Renda
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Can't get the phone registered (ticket #1766)

2008-08-20 Thread Alexey Kurochkin

On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 20:11 +0200, Måns Malmberg wrote:
> >> Basically most of the time (more than 9 out of 10) you can't get the
> >> phone registered after the PIN code is entered. This means you can't
> >> make a call but strangely you can always receive calls. 
> 
> I have the exact same problem with 2008.8. Both before and after I 
> started using Zecke's feed. After I had the phone suspended it usually 
> register that the GSM is online after a minute or so.

You guys are lucky. Mine does not receive calls at all on startup. I do
not have any PIN, so it does not ask me for one. Moreover it does not
wake up after suspend - the screen is blank. I am not even sure it
suspends properly, cause I still able to ssh into it and if I issue apm
-s at that time it gives me apm: Device or resource busy. Only reboot is
the solution. I saw it register only tree/four times. All when I was
playing with default GPS program, but it may be only coincidence. Qtopia
also suffers from it, but not at that extent - it usually recovers
signal after awhile.

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Booting from SD-card / setting-up a second environment on FR

2008-08-20 Thread A.dre

Hello list,

I (first time poster and newly FR enjoy-er) try to boot from SD-card. I 
want to make a second environment in which I can experiment _without_ 
changing the software that the phone ships with. That is, without making 
all to big changes to the original software on the phone.

I followed the instructions 'Boot_from_sd_card' on the wiki [1]. I used:
- 
Openmoko-scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080507-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz
- uImage-2.6.24+git20080507-r0-om-gta02.bin
==> Result: kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 
unknown-block(179,2)

Than I downloaded "Openmoko-Freerunner-20080424-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2" 
and "uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin" (exactly the same files 
installed on the phone I believe) in order to write/copy these to 
SD-card. However, I don't know how to write/copy the jffs2 file to 
SD-card. (I cannot find the same file in 'tar.gz' format.)

As I understand the filetype jffs2 is an image comparable with a 
iso-image of a cd [2]. I learned that it is possible to mount it as a
'loopback' device in order to read from the .jffs2 [3]. I also learned 
that the 'dd'-command (see[4]) can be used to create a .jffs2.

==>While learning all this, a totally different approach crossed my mind:

Would it be possible to duplicate (with the use of dd) the standard 
environment (the FR ships with) to SD-card (in order to create a second 
environment)?

Would it be possible to duplicate (with the use of dd) any environment 
(on the FR) for back-up purposes (and put it back when necessary)?

Would it be helpful when such a method is described on the wiki?

How would the command look like? I was guessing:
- dd if=/dev/mtdblock2 of=/dev/mmcblk0p1 (assuming see[5] _/proc/mtd 
mtd2_(kernel) maps to /dev/mtdblock2)
- dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/dev/mmcblk0p2 (assuming see[5] _/proc/mtd 
mtd4_(rootfs) maps to /dev/mtdblock4)
Because the source(blocksize??) and destination(partition sixe??) will 
differ in size, the commands above probably need extra parameters. (If 
this method works at all: Probably I'm totally wrong.)

At the moment I'm most interested in answers to the questions above. 
However, tips / help with the 'kernel panic' is also much appreciated. 
(To be clear: The FR still boots, but not from SD-card!)
Issues I checked are:
- Kernel and filesystem 'fit' together.
- File system:
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/mtab | grep mmcblk0
  /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt/mokokernel vfat 
rw,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0
  /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/moko ext2 rw 0 0
  
- u-boot environment:
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]: # command below 'stolen' from 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Uboot.
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]: sudo ./dfu-util -a u-boot_env -R -U env.in
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]: cat env.in
  [...]
  menu_1=Boot from microSD (FAT+ext2): setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} root
  fstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit; 
fatload m
  mc 1 0x3200 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x3200
  [...]
  

Thanks,
A.dre

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card
[2] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td472598%7Ca472694
[3] 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mount_on_loopback_device
[4] dd if=/dev/mtdblock0 of= (for explanation see[3])
[5] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bricked#Useful_information


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Re: Bluetooth, WiFi and Zecke's feeds?

2008-08-20 Thread Al Johnson

On Wednesday 20 August 2008, Christ van Willegen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using 2008.8 with Zecke's testing and dev feeds.
>
> At the moment, I can enable WiFi from the settings menu, but am unable
> to associate with my router (someone on IRC hinted that I sould run
> wpa_supplicant in debug mode, and it told me that it didn't get a
> timely reply from my router (WRT54G). Can anyone comment on that?)

I've never got it to associate with my wrt54g using the GUI in 2008.8 but with 
the old GTK image I could get it to associate using my manually created 
wpa_supplicant.conf and modified /etc/network/interfaces. 

> Also, I can switch BlueTooth on and off, but 'hcitool scan' gives me
> 'Device unavailable' with both settings.

I used to see this sometimes with the old GTK GUI, but it's worked whenever 
I've tried 2008.8. Perhaps I've just been lucky. I _think_ the problem used 
to be that the GUI changed the power status, but didn't toggle the bluetooth 
reset line. Sometimes you would be lucky, other times not. I took to using a 
couple of scripts to start and stop bluetooth from the terminal which might 
be worth a try:

#!/bin/sh
# Bring up bluetooth - power up module
echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on
echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset
echo "0" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset

#!/bin/sh
# Bring down bluetooth - turn off the module
echo "0" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-20 Thread xaos x

I used the network applet and just configured it to see eth0 and ppp0. I'm not 
that interested in seeing IP over USB traffic but you could add that by just 
adding another applet on the taskbar for it.

I'm currently finishing up a battery power python app for any of the system 
trays (GNOME, XFCE, etc) so you can see battery power when zhone is either not 
open, or minimized. I plan on adding phone network status and other information 
to it as well. I'll post the link here when I'm finished.

-Tom

- Original Message -
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With the problem with the onscreen keyboard, I solved keeping the
keyboard closed when booting, and opening it only after the boot.

It is the only little bug I saw until now!

Ps: using Network Nanager 0.6 I am not able to saw neither wifi or usb0
connection.

Someone had success on it? (for usb0 i know thet Network Manager 0.7
support it :)

xaos x wrote:
> Actually, you don't need to launch xfce4-desktop. just launch xfce4-panel, 
> then zhone, or vice versa. The onscreen keyboard works *much* better that way.
> 
> -Tom
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michele Renda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 3:28:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop
> 
> Playing with [EMAIL PROTECTED] I flight with some problem, and now, because I
> found a solution, I'd like to share with community.
> 
> 
> After I installed Debian, it was launching by default zhone. For now I
> need more a palm, than a phone so I list here all the changes I made to
> make it usable for me. I hope it can be useful for somehone
> 
> I installed Debian according the ufficial procedure. Then with
> ctrl+alt+x I entered in a terminal.
> 
> With these commands (or in a simplier way, with a ssh) I installed these
> programs (check internet connectivity)
> 
> 
> apt-get install aptitude
> 
> aptitude install xfce abiword gnumeric pidgin tangogps gpsd sonata mpd
> 
> Then I used the Sebastian Ohl's patch have a left click:
> 
> (thank you again Sebastian)
> 
> http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb
> 
> after I installed it with:
> 
> dpkg --install xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb
> 
> I have also to recalibrate the screen:
> 
> wget http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal
> mv pointercal /etc/pointercal
> 
> Then I liked to start my FR direct in XFCE, without passing by zhone:
> 
> Editing /usr/bin/zhone-session
> 
> and trasform is something like this:
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> exec startxfce4 &
> matchbox-keyboard-toggle &
> exec matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar yes
> 
> 
> (the last yes is to have a close button, I like it more :) )
> 
> 
> Ps. I think is better to fix the dimension of the font and of the icons
> (I have 48)
> 
> 
> I took part of the information from the official Debian guide for FR and
> from here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian (Have a look
> there to know how to fix sound and gps, I didn't tried).
> 
> I hope it help someone.
> 
> Best regards
> Michele Renda
> 
> 

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Re: Can't get the phone registered (ticket #1766)

2008-08-20 Thread Måns Malmberg


>> Basically most of the time (more than 9 out of 10) you can't get the
>> phone registered after the PIN code is entered. This means you can't
>> make a call but strangely you can always receive calls. 

I have the exact same problem with 2008.8. Both before and after I 
started using Zecke's feed. After I had the phone suspended it usually 
register that the GSM is online after a minute or so.


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Re: Raster's Image and chatting on the moko!

2008-08-20 Thread Yogiz

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:43:10 -0700
Uncle Kridley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > When I try to install the numptyphisics ipk, the keyboard returns to
> > be the default 2008.8 one, there is any way to revert this an return
> > to that beautifull illume one?   
>
> I had the same problem, but when I restarted the X server, the illue 
> keyboard came back.
>


On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:43:41 -0700
Dirk Bergstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> David Samblas wrote:
> > When I try to install the numptyphisics ipk, the keyboard returns
> > to be the default 2008.8 one, there is any way to revert this an
> > return to that beautifull illume one? 
> 
> I had the same problem, but the illume keyboard came back when I 
> restarted X.
> 

Now that's just cute.

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Re: USB keyboard in hostmode?

For USB Hostmode to work with power from the internal battery no
hardware modification nor usb-hub is needed.
I found the problem why my usb keyboard doesn't work within X. I still
use 2007.2 with the newest daily builds but it seems that the
"xserver-kdrive-glamo" module is too old.
There was a bug in this module which prevents an external keyboard to be
used within X. The changelog says that it is fixed, but it seems that
this fixed version is not in the feeds for 2007.2. :(
The keyboard works fine for me when i stop X and use it just in the
console. As soon as i start X again the keyboard doesn't work anymore.

Here are the ticket for this problem:
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1796

which is solved in newer versions as this log shows:
http://git.openmoko.org/?p=xglamo.git;a=commit;h=cddd780c527fe923c55c1fa385fd909c419f024e

If someone find out how to upgrade to the newer fixed version of this
module than i'm happy to try it again. :)

Ciao,
 Rainer

Al Johnson wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 August 2008, Jay Vaughan wrote:
>>> Maybe i should test it with a more simple usb keyboard without any
>>> extra
>>> functions.
>> You should test your USB keyboard with the Freerunner, using a USB
>> *HUB* in between, and see if that doesn't fix things.  IFAICT, there
>> are details not-yet-well-understood regarding the nature of the
>> termination and 'pull-up' resistor normally included on standard USB
>> Host ports which may not be included with the Freerunner hardware
>> design - meaning a simple female/female convertor isn't going to be
>> enough, there will need to be a cap and a resistor included in the
>> schematic in order to make the USB Host controller onboard the
>> Freerunner believe it is talking to a proper USB hub node.  If this
>> isn't there, the controller believes its only got a single device to
>> talk with, physically, and in your case this isn't true - you've got
>> two devices onboard.  So, you need the cap and resistor, I bet.
> 
> Do you have a source for this info? The only need for external components 
> that 
> I'm aware of is the 15k pulldowns when charging while in host mode. This 
> information used to be in the wiki on the GTA02 Hardware page but has been 
> moved or removed. It's still in the history though:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware&oldid=45860#USB_Host
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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

2008-08-20 Thread Marcel

Enlightenment is a windowmanager, yes. And it's completely available from SVN. 
I just haven't got round it, yet. We need E because Illume is a module of it. 
ETK (the enlightenment toolkit) is already available since zhone, which uses 
etk, runs.
At least this is how I see this situation, maybe I'm wrong on the details...

Marcel

Am Mittwoch 20 August 2008 17:06:16 schrieb Daniel Benoy:
> What is e exactly?  It's a window manager or something right?  And it's not
> available in svn yet so it's hard to package up?
>
> On Wednesday 20 August 2008 10:48:23 Marcel wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch 20 August 2008 16:33:54 schrieb Daniel Benoy:
> > > Is there an ETA on illume being packaged?
> > > Is there anything that can be done to help?
> > >
> > > On Saturday 16 August 2008 10:14:24 Joachim Breitner wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Am Samstag, den 16.08.2008, 11:22 +0200 schrieb arne anka:
> > > > > > So now people, let's write a page that lists some cool (read:
> > > > > > recommended or so..) apps that you can run on debian here :)
> > > > >
> > > > > i am far more intersted to switch to a useful desktop manager and
> > > > > still to be able to use the phone part.
> > > > > at least i'd like to know how i do access installed applications,
> > > > > zhone only presents that four predefined buttons.
> > > >
> > > > Until we can package Illume, you can use the AUX button to fire up a
> > > > keyboard and then press Alt-Ctrl-X to get an xterm and Alt-Tab to
> > > > switch between application.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > > Joachim
> >
> > raster said he would maybe do it after moving e to svn - and also, that
> > it wouldn't be too hard. But at least I couldn't get a proper e
> > environment set up here :)
> >
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Re: Official update feeds "testing" on downloads.openmoko.org

2008-08-20 Thread Ole Kliemann

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 03:23:34PM +0200, Kevin Zuber wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've just noticed on a new "testing" repository on
> downloads.openmoko.org [1]. Are that the official update feeds for ASU
> or another distribution? Is the merge of the two branches finished?
> Should I use this repo instead of the "zecke" repo now?
> 
> Thanks for answers.
> 
> Kev
> 
> [1] http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/

It's there for a few days already. Didn't break anything for me. But it
does not seem to include a new kernel yet. I was hoping to find a remedy
for WSOD.

Ole


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Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card

> How did you recreate the same partitioning ? Informations from my
> fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 before the corruption will be enough to recreate
> it the same way ?

yupp. just make sure you use "blocks" as unit.

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Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card

> did you still want to know about my kernel? was my information enough /
> usefull?

nope -- the funny part happens when suspending/resuming. since you don't  
do that, there's no need.

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Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 17:26, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Anyway my partition table is now crashed thanks to suspend/resume issue.
>> I go digging in mailing list, I think I saw ways to recover...   else
>> I'll have to start from 0...
>
> any linux distribution should offer tools to recover lost partitions and
> recreate partitiontables.
> i think parted is one.
>
> after recovery backup your bootsector by doing
>
> dd if=/dev/mmcbl0 of=boot.backup bs=512 count=1
>
> in case you loose it again, do
>
> dd if=boot.backup of=/dev/mmcblk0
>
> that's on your host! i don't know, if that works from fr, though.
>

thank you, that will help me a lot !


On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 16:35, Vikas Saurabh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I could recover the data by creating the same paritioning and then
> re-downloading the kernel in the first partition (one of teh post suggested
> that the bug actually eats up a sector from the first partition as wellI
> didn't check and downloading the kernel was pretty easy).
>
How did you recreate the same partitioning ? Informations from my
fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 before the corruption will be enough to recreate
it the same way ?
Anyway I guess I'll first try to find a tool to do the recovery...

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Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card

2008-08-20 Thread Stefan Fröbe

> in case you loose it again, do
>
> dd if=boot.backup of=/dev/mmcblk0
>
> that's on your host! i don't know, if that works from fr, though.
>
>
I can confirm this works for the bootsector corruption, but after seriously
struggling with unreadable SDHC cards under Ubuntu _AND_ the FR I finally
figured out some other pretty reliable workarounds for problems with memory
cards:

Trying the debian install yesterday I noticed that both the original 512MB
as well as a 1GB card were no longer working on the FR ( could write to them
but then glamo-mci errors as in
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743appeared and sometime after
about 200MB all further communication seemed
broken ) . In addition, partitioning seemed so messed up the cards were not
recognized anymore by fdisk et al, so nothing but a panasonic windows card
formatter could recover them. All of this happening without suspends on an
upgraded 2007.8...

Whilst linux 2.6.26 on the host needed a fix to get the cards to show up
again at all ( http://marc.info/?l=linux-usb&m=121734710306509&w=2 ), on the
FR side the only thing that worked was playing with the glamo kernel
parameters - I haven't reduced it to a minimal set of changes, but passing
"glamo_mci.sd_drive=3 glamo_mci.sd_idleclk=1 sd_max_clk=500" on the
u-boot cmdline resolved all issues so far.

I haven't filed a bugreport as interestingly enough I wasn't having any
issues with the troublesome 4GB any more - maybe because I was using  2008.8
booted from the card itself?

I will try to reduce the parameters later, if anyone has further hints I'd
be happy to try them out. Also, would the addition of dd'ed mbrs for the
various cards in the Wiki be feasible ?

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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

Hi,

[Cc'ing to illume author.]

Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Is there an ETA on illume being packaged?
> Is there anything that can be done to help?

I compiled e17 svn head and illume using

http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_User_Guide/Installing_Using_CVS

on my debian unstable chroot but

Configuration -> Modules -> Illume -> Load Module

just prints

 SEGMENTATION FAULT 

Have you managed to get compile illume? GDB shows that it crashes at

#0  0xb7ac8d1a in e_dbus_message_send (conn=0x0, msg=0x814ef20, 
cb_return=0xb7ac8c30 , timeout=-1, data=0x0) at 
e_dbus_message.c:70
#1  0xb7ac8dd9 in e_dbus_method_call_send (conn=0x0, msg=0x814ef20, 
unmarshal_func=0, cb_func=0, free_func=0, timeout=-1, data=0x0) at 
e_dbus_message.c:115
#2  0xb6e6180d in _system_req_state (state=0xb6e74809 "on") at e_pwr.c:87
#3  0xb6e6161a in e_pwr_init () at e_pwr.c:27
#4  0xb6e550ca in e_modapi_init (m=0x821d220) at e_mod_main.c:46
#5  0x080ae7a6 in e_module_enable (m=0x821d220) at e_module.c:265
#6  0x080f0236 in _mod_hash_load (hash=0x85c37e0, key=0x85c3e68 "illume", 
data=0x85c3ea8, fdata=0x0) at e_int_config_modules.c:642
#7  0xb7c1a0e3 in evas_hash_foreach (hash=0x85c37e0, func=0x80f0200 
<_mod_hash_load>, fdata=0x0) at evas_hash.c:459
#8  0x080ef778 in _enable_modules (enable=1) at e_int_config_modules.c:624
#9  0x080f0129 in _btn_cb_load (data=0x8339480, data2=0x0) at 
e_int_config_modules.c:594
#10 0x080d8689 in _e_wid_activate_hook (obj=0x86d2c20) at e_widget_button.c:164
#11 0xb7ecad39 in edje_match_callback_exec (ppat_signal=0x86de4b8, 
ppat_source=0x86de098, signal=0x86dd2f8 "e,action,click", source=0x8232610 "", 
callbacks=0x86bded0, ed=0x86d2e60) at edje_match.c:393
#12 0xb7ebf26c in _edje_emit_handle (ed=0x86d2e60, sig=0x86dd2f8 
"e,action,click", src=0x8232610 "") at edje_program.c:1009
#13 0xb7ec8df2 in _edje_message_process (em=0x8802a18) at 
edje_message_queue.c:548
#14 0xb7ec9567 in _edje_message_queue_process () at edje_message_queue.c:623
#15 0xb7ec9653 in _edje_job (data=0x0) at edje_message_queue.c:108
#16 0xb7eec752 in _ecore_job_event_handler (data=0x0, type=15, ev=0x873ed58) at 
ecore_job.c:104
#17 0xb7aa793d in _ecore_event_call () at ecore_events.c:429
#18 0xb7aaea95 in _ecore_main_loop_iterate_internal (once_only=0) at 
ecore_main.c:680
#19 0xb7aaecaf in ecore_main_loop_begin () at ecore_main.c:87
#20 0x0806db62 in main (argc=1, argv=0xbfaa9804) at e_main.c:941

probably because of

Error connecting to bus: Failed to connect to socket 
/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused

My unstable chroot does not have access to dbus outside chroot. After

sudo mount -o bind /var/run/dbus /sid/var/run/dbus

I don't see a crash but I can't figure out how to access the
keyboard. Is there some hotkey to activate it?

best regards,
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Re: Can't get the phone registered (ticket #1766)

julien cubizolles wrote:
> There is at the moment a very nasty bug on the phone software of ASU and
> FSO images.
>
> Basically most of the time (more than 9 out of 10) you can't get the
> phone registered after the PIN code is entered. This means you can't
> make a call but strangely you can always receive calls. 
>
> Sometimes (quite often) you get registered after receiving a call and
> receiving the call while in suspend mode seems to make you a little
> luckier but maybe it's just wishful thinking. Some suggestions were made
> (upgrade with http://people.openmoko.org/zecke/qtopia-testing feeds) but
> didn't fix the problem.
>
> I never add any problem regarding registration with 2007.2 and still
> don't have any with the latest Qtopia image. I could stick with Qtopia
> for the time being but would very much test ASU. Could it be possible to
> somehow get from the Qtopia image the right files/packages/whatever to
> just fix the telephony part ?
>
> Julien.
>
>
>   
This is known. See http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1766

This is the major deal-breaker for 2008.8 for me - can't use it as a phone.

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Re: Raster's Image and chatting on the moko!

2008-08-20 Thread Dirk Bergstrom

David Samblas wrote:
> When I try to install the numptyphisics ipk, the keyboard returns to be
> the default 2008.8 one, there is any way to revert this an return to
> that beautifull illume one? 

I had the same problem, but the illume keyboard came back when I 
restarted X.

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Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card

arne anka wrote:
>> "fine" means "with no troubles" ;)
>>
>> - bootsector corruption? I haven't tried booting off it yet
>> 
>
> that's not necessary -- it manifest itself by total loss partition  
> informations
>   
aah. Well, no trouble with that then. :)

did you still want to know about my kernel? was my information enough / 
usefull?


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Re: Raster's Image and chatting on the moko!

2008-08-20 Thread Uncle Kridley

David Samblas wrote:
> When I try to install the numptyphisics ipk, the keyboard returns to be
> the default 2008.8 one, there is any way to revert this an return to
> that beautifull illume one? 

I had the same problem, but when I restarted the X server, the illue 
keyboard came back.

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Re: Official update feeds "testing" on downloads.openmoko.org

2008-08-20 Thread Daniel Benoy

I'm giving it a try!  Fingers crossed that I don't break everything :p

On Wednesday 20 August 2008 09:23:34 Kevin Zuber wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've just noticed on a new "testing" repository on
> downloads.openmoko.org [1]. Are that the official update feeds for ASU
> or another distribution? Is the merge of the two branches finished?
> Should I use this repo instead of the "zecke" repo now?
> 
> Thanks for answers.
> 
> Kev
> 
> [1] http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/
> 
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Re: Lock version of package with opkg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 01:09:15PM +1000, Dale Maggee wrote:
>   
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm using the scaredycat repo and gpsd doesn't seem to work right. Is
>>> there any way to lock the old version so I can do an 'opkg upgrade'
>>> without upgrading gpsd?
>>>   
>
>   
>> I think this might be the same problem I'm having, how would I go about 
>> downgrading to a working version? I'm assuming I'd use "opkg 
>> -force-downgrade", but what version of gpsd is known to be working? link?
>> 
>
> Try using cat to read the /dev/ttySAC* devices and see if you get NMEA
> data from any of them first. I have a suspicion that whatever handles the 
> naming of the
> devices changed after an opkg upgrade to the daily feeds.
>
> Then change your /etc/default/gpsd file so that it has whatever device
> spits out NMEA data.
>  
> Let me know how this turns out.
>
>   
Thanks, I sorted it out. it turns out my /etc/defaults/gpsd somehow got 
renamed to /etc/defaults/gpsd.default. I changed it back and I can now 
start gpsd.

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Re: Navit patch for faster map dragging

Marcus Bauer wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 13:04 +1000, Dale Maggee wrote:
>   
>> so I tried:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/share/navit# /etc/init.d/gpsd start
>>
>> and got:
>>
>> Starting gpsd: No  GPS device, aborting gpsd startup. Check 
>> /etc/default/gpsd
>> 
> The line in /etc/default/gpsd needs to read (for freerunner):
>
> GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1"
>
> Then gpsd should start and tangoGPS too.
>
>   

That did the trick, thanks! although it still doesn't seem to get a lock 
until I run AGPS Gui... ?

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Re: Bluetooth, WiFi and Zecke's feeds?

2008-08-20 Thread shawnzier

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 01:03:52PM +0200, Christ van Willegen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm using 2008.8 with Zecke's testing and dev feeds.
> 
> At the moment, I can enable WiFi from the settings menu, but am unable
> to associate with my router (someone on IRC hinted that I sould run
> wpa_supplicant in debug mode, and it told me that it didn't get a
> timely reply from my router (WRT54G). Can anyone comment on that?)
> 
> Also, I can switch BlueTooth on and off, but 'hcitool scan' gives me
> 'Device unavailable' with both settings.
> 
> Should I create a ticket somewhere, or are these known bugs and
> (hopefully!) already ironed out?

I don't think zecke's feeds are official, so I dont know if its
appropriate to file bugs with OpenMoko.

You can always check the bug tracker though.

http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/report


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Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card

> "fine" means "with no troubles" ;)
>
> - bootsector corruption? I haven't tried booting off it yet

that's not necessary -- it manifest itself by total loss partition  
informations

> - I've not seen any data corruption
> - I usually have power management turned off, because I don't trust it

ok. then you wont experience it.

> and the FR is my primary phone, but the few times I have used suspend /
> resume I've seen no problems.

it's not predictable, so you might be just lucky ;-)

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Re: Lock version of package with opkg

2008-08-20 Thread shawnzier

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 01:09:15PM +1000, Dale Maggee wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I'm using the scaredycat repo and gpsd doesn't seem to work right. Is
> > there any way to lock the old version so I can do an 'opkg upgrade'
> > without upgrading gpsd?

> I think this might be the same problem I'm having, how would I go about 
> downgrading to a working version? I'm assuming I'd use "opkg 
> -force-downgrade", but what version of gpsd is known to be working? link?

Try using cat to read the /dev/ttySAC* devices and see if you get NMEA
data from any of them first. I have a suspicion that whatever handles the 
naming of the
devices changed after an opkg upgrade to the daily feeds.

Then change your /etc/default/gpsd file so that it has whatever device
spits out NMEA data.

Let me know how this turns out.

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Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card

> Anyway my partition table is now crashed thanks to suspend/resume issue.
> I go digging in mailing list, I think I saw ways to recover...   else
> I'll have to start from 0...

any linux distribution should offer tools to recover lost partitions and  
recreate partitiontables.
i think parted is one.

after recovery backup your bootsector by doing

dd if=/dev/mmcbl0 of=boot.backup bs=512 count=1

in case you loose it again, do

dd if=boot.backup of=/dev/mmcblk0

that's on your host! i don't know, if that works from fr, though.

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Re: Bluetooth, WiFi and Zecke's feeds?

2008-08-20 Thread Gabriel A. Devenyi

On August 20, 2008 07:03:52 am Christ van Willegen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using 2008.8 with Zecke's testing and dev feeds.
>
> At the moment, I can enable WiFi from the settings menu, but am unable
> to associate with my router (someone on IRC hinted that I sould run
> wpa_supplicant in debug mode, and it told me that it didn't get a
> timely reply from my router (WRT54G). Can anyone comment on that?)
>
> Also, I can switch BlueTooth on and off, but 'hcitool scan' gives me
> 'Device unavailable' with both settings.
>
> Should I create a ticket somewhere, or are these known bugs and
> (hopefully!) already ironed out?
>
> Christ van Willegen

I have of, as yet, not been able to associate with my WRT54GL either, with any 
of the available distros (the kernels and wpa_supplicant are the same 
afterall). See the (completely ignored) bug 
https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1250
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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

2008-08-20 Thread Daniel Benoy

What is e exactly?  It's a window manager or something right?  And it's not 
available in svn yet so it's hard to package up?

On Wednesday 20 August 2008 10:48:23 Marcel wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 20 August 2008 16:33:54 schrieb Daniel Benoy:
> > Is there an ETA on illume being packaged?
> > Is there anything that can be done to help?
> >
> > On Saturday 16 August 2008 10:14:24 Joachim Breitner wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Am Samstag, den 16.08.2008, 11:22 +0200 schrieb arne anka:
> > > > > So now people, let's write a page that lists some cool (read:
> > > > > recommended or so..) apps that you can run on debian here :)
> > > >
> > > > i am far more intersted to switch to a useful desktop manager and still
> > > > to be able to use the phone part.
> > > > at least i'd like to know how i do access installed applications, zhone
> > > > only presents that four predefined buttons.
> > >
> > > Until we can package Illume, you can use the AUX button to fire up a
> > > keyboard and then press Alt-Ctrl-X to get an xterm and Alt-Tab to switch
> > > between application.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Joachim
> 
> raster said he would maybe do it after moving e to svn - and also, that it 
> wouldn't be too hard. But at least I couldn't get a proper e environment set 
> up here :)
> 
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2008.8 (with updates) and wpa_supplicant == hang (is only me?)

2008-08-20 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko

It seems that now I finally switched from qtopia to 2008.8 -- ie. it is
ready for me as a daily-used phone! YEAY!

but yesterday I've ran into a problem after I've tried to setup my
wireless the way I did long ago on 2007.2: copied my wpa_supplicant.conf
and tuned up interfaces with

iface eth0 inet dhcp
   wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf

but then whenever I do "ifup eth0" (via ssh usb session) phone freezes
(screen remains powered -- no reaction to any touches or keys, even holding
power button for 10 sec does nothing).

before I try to do anything I wondered if anyone uses wpa_supplicant
succesfully (what kernel and wpa_supp versions?) or could confirm the same
issue as I have?

thanks in advance

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Re: USB keyboard in hostmode?

2008-08-20 Thread Al Johnson

On Tuesday 19 August 2008, Jay Vaughan wrote:
> > Maybe i should test it with a more simple usb keyboard without any
> > extra
> > functions.
>
> You should test your USB keyboard with the Freerunner, using a USB
> *HUB* in between, and see if that doesn't fix things.  IFAICT, there
> are details not-yet-well-understood regarding the nature of the
> termination and 'pull-up' resistor normally included on standard USB
> Host ports which may not be included with the Freerunner hardware
> design - meaning a simple female/female convertor isn't going to be
> enough, there will need to be a cap and a resistor included in the
> schematic in order to make the USB Host controller onboard the
> Freerunner believe it is talking to a proper USB hub node.  If this
> isn't there, the controller believes its only got a single device to
> talk with, physically, and in your case this isn't true - you've got
> two devices onboard.  So, you need the cap and resistor, I bet.

Do you have a source for this info? The only need for external components that 
I'm aware of is the 15k pulldowns when charging while in host mode. This 
information used to be in the wiki on the GTA02 Hardware page but has been 
moved or removed. It's still in the history though:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware&oldid=45860#USB_Host


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Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card

Fox Mulder wrote:
> Nobody can say exactly if 8GB cards are supported or not because there
> exists no bigger cards to try with. ;)
>   
aha, thanks for clarifying :)

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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

2008-08-20 Thread Marcel

Am Mittwoch 20 August 2008 16:33:54 schrieb Daniel Benoy:
> Is there an ETA on illume being packaged?
> Is there anything that can be done to help?
>
> On Saturday 16 August 2008 10:14:24 Joachim Breitner wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Am Samstag, den 16.08.2008, 11:22 +0200 schrieb arne anka:
> > > > So now people, let's write a page that lists some cool (read:
> > > > recommended or so..) apps that you can run on debian here :)
> > >
> > > i am far more intersted to switch to a useful desktop manager and still
> > > to be able to use the phone part.
> > > at least i'd like to know how i do access installed applications, zhone
> > > only presents that four predefined buttons.
> >
> > Until we can package Illume, you can use the AUX button to fire up a
> > keyboard and then press Alt-Ctrl-X to get an xterm and Alt-Tab to switch
> > between application.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Joachim

raster said he would maybe do it after moving e to svn - and also, that it 
wouldn't be too hard. But at least I couldn't get a proper e environment set 
up here :)

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Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card

arne anka wrote:
>> I have a sandisk 8gb card, and it works just fine. I seem to recall
>> reading somewhere that 8gb was the biggest a FR could handle? or was it
>> that 8gb is the biggest that is known to work?
>> 
>
> what means "fine" exactly?
> - no bootsector corruption?
> - no sudden data corruption?
> - lost card on resume?
>
> if so, which kernel are you using?
>
>   
"fine" means "with no troubles" ;)

- bootsector corruption? I haven't tried booting off it yet
- I've not seen any data corruption
- I usually have power management turned off, because I don't trust it 
and the FR is my primary phone, but the few times I have used suspend / 
resume I've seen no problems.

kernel: Not entirely sure how to determine this. If you can let me know 
how to find out more specifically, I'll be happy to tell you. In the 
meantime, maybe this will help?

"opkg list_installed | grep kernel" seems to give me two:
kernel - 2:2.6.24+git35+2d61a7406ec89893cdb4246d3f0144818278a5d8-r2 -
kernel-2.6.24 - 2:2.6.24+git35+2d61a7406ec89893cdb4246d3f0144818278a5d8-r2 -

uname -a gives me:
Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Tue Aug 19 04:13:01 CEST 2008 armv4tl 
unknown

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Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card

2008-08-20 Thread Vikas Saurabh

I could recover the data by creating the same paritioning and then
re-downloading the kernel in the first partition (one of teh post suggested
that the bug actually eats up a sector from the first partition as wellI
didn't check and downloading the kernel was pretty easy).

--Vikas

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Thanks !
>
> Anyway my partition table is now crashed thanks to suspend/resume issue.
> I go digging in mailing list, I think I saw ways to recover...   else
> I'll have to start from 0...
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 16:05, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> * can I change this table order without losing partition data ?
> >
> > nope.
> >
> >> * can I have Extended partition number (mmcblk0p3 now) to be after the
> >> logical ones  (so that mmcnlk0p2 and mmcblk0p3 refer to the 2 first
> >> logical ones, -just the same as in my 512MB card-) ?
> >
> > nope. the logicla partitions are inside the extended partition -- numbers
> > have to be bigger than the number of the extended partition.
> > if you like partition number independent identifiers use labels -- either
> > when creating the xt2 fs or afterwards with tune2fs, argument -L.
> >
> >
> >> What is "funny" on my ubuntu laptop is that mount points are not
> >> always in the same order. I have to be carefull !
> >> (of course I can fix mount points once for all on my pc -and also
> >> access rights for ext3-, but when I plug the card in another PC, I
> >> have the problem back...)
> >
> > you probably need to fix the udev script that creates the mount points.
> >
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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

2008-08-20 Thread Daniel Benoy

Is there an ETA on illume being packaged?
Is there anything that can be done to help?

On Saturday 16 August 2008 10:14:24 Joachim Breitner wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Am Samstag, den 16.08.2008, 11:22 +0200 schrieb arne anka:
> > > So now people, let's write a page that lists some cool (read:
> > > recommended or so..) apps that you can run on debian here :)
> > i am far more intersted to switch to a useful desktop manager and still to  
> > be able to use the phone part.
> > at least i'd like to know how i do access installed applications, zhone  
> > only presents that four predefined buttons.
> 
> Until we can package Illume, you can use the AUX button to fire up a
> keyboard and then press Alt-Ctrl-X to get an xterm and Alt-Tab to switch
> between application.
> 
> Greetings,
> Joachim



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Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card

Thanks !

Anyway my partition table is now crashed thanks to suspend/resume issue.
I go digging in mailing list, I think I saw ways to recover...   else
I'll have to start from 0...


On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 16:05, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> * can I change this table order without losing partition data ?
>
> nope.
>
>> * can I have Extended partition number (mmcblk0p3 now) to be after the
>> logical ones  (so that mmcnlk0p2 and mmcblk0p3 refer to the 2 first
>> logical ones, -just the same as in my 512MB card-) ?
>
> nope. the logicla partitions are inside the extended partition -- numbers
> have to be bigger than the number of the extended partition.
> if you like partition number independent identifiers use labels -- either
> when creating the xt2 fs or afterwards with tune2fs, argument -L.
>
>
>> What is "funny" on my ubuntu laptop is that mount points are not
>> always in the same order. I have to be carefull !
>> (of course I can fix mount points once for all on my pc -and also
>> access rights for ext3-, but when I plug the card in another PC, I
>> have the problem back...)
>
> you probably need to fix the udev script that creates the mount points.
>

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-20 Thread Michele Renda

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With the problem with the onscreen keyboard, I solved keeping the
keyboard closed when booting, and opening it only after the boot.

It is the only little bug I saw until now!

Ps: using Network Nanager 0.6 I am not able to saw neither wifi or usb0
connection.

Someone had success on it? (for usb0 i know thet Network Manager 0.7
support it :)

xaos x wrote:
> Actually, you don't need to launch xfce4-desktop. just launch xfce4-panel, 
> then zhone, or vice versa. The onscreen keyboard works *much* better that way.
> 
> -Tom
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michele Renda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 3:28:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop
> 
> Playing with [EMAIL PROTECTED] I flight with some problem, and now, because I
> found a solution, I'd like to share with community.
> 
> 
> After I installed Debian, it was launching by default zhone. For now I
> need more a palm, than a phone so I list here all the changes I made to
> make it usable for me. I hope it can be useful for somehone
> 
> I installed Debian according the ufficial procedure. Then with
> ctrl+alt+x I entered in a terminal.
> 
> With these commands (or in a simplier way, with a ssh) I installed these
> programs (check internet connectivity)
> 
> 
> apt-get install aptitude
> 
> aptitude install xfce abiword gnumeric pidgin tangogps gpsd sonata mpd
> 
> Then I used the Sebastian Ohl's patch have a left click:
> 
> (thank you again Sebastian)
> 
> http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb
> 
> after I installed it with:
> 
> dpkg --install xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb
> 
> I have also to recalibrate the screen:
> 
> wget http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal
> mv pointercal /etc/pointercal
> 
> Then I liked to start my FR direct in XFCE, without passing by zhone:
> 
> Editing /usr/bin/zhone-session
> 
> and trasform is something like this:
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> exec startxfce4 &
> matchbox-keyboard-toggle &
> exec matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar yes
> 
> 
> (the last yes is to have a close button, I like it more :) )
> 
> 
> Ps. I think is better to fix the dimension of the font and of the icons
> (I have 48)
> 
> 
> I took part of the information from the official Debian guide for FR and
> from here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian (Have a look
> there to know how to fix sound and gps, I didn't tried).
> 
> I hope it help someone.
> 
> Best regards
> Michele Renda
> 
> 

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Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card

> * can I change this table order without losing partition data ?

nope.

> * can I have Extended partition number (mmcblk0p3 now) to be after the
> logical ones  (so that mmcnlk0p2 and mmcblk0p3 refer to the 2 first
> logical ones, -just the same as in my 512MB card-) ?

nope. the logicla partitions are inside the extended partition -- numbers  
have to be bigger than the number of the extended partition.
if you like partition number independent identifiers use labels -- either  
when creating the xt2 fs or afterwards with tune2fs, argument -L.


> What is "funny" on my ubuntu laptop is that mount points are not
> always in the same order. I have to be carefull !
> (of course I can fix mount points once for all on my pc -and also
> access rights for ext3-, but when I plug the card in another PC, I
> have the problem back...)

you probably need to fix the udev script that creates the mount points.

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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

2008-08-20 Thread Vikas Saurabh

Attached is another version of cofigure-uboot.sh. This version can 'only' be
run from inside booted freerunner (requires fso-utils which debian already
has).

Maybe, the choice of external execution or execution from inside debian be a
parameter to the scriptbut I am just too lazy :)

--Vikas

On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:18 AM, Joachim Breitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Am Freitag, den 15.08.2008, 22:31 +0200 schrieb arne anka:
> > > The feeds are for the debian system if I understand you right.
> > > But how do I install these packages without beeing able to boot debian
> > > from
> > > the sd card ? Should I install that in the openmoko flash image
> > > (currently
> > > 2008.08)?
> >
> > the tools are to be used on your host computer, i think.
>
> Correct. The pkg-fso feed works both on i386 and armel, and the
> fso-utils package makes also sense on i386, for the remote flashing. It
> maybe also works from the phone itself (see the unused "uboot" stage of
> install.sh), but I had weird problems. Bold people with a craze for
> debugging are welcome to make that work.
>
> Greetings,
> Joachim
> --
> Joachim "nomeata" Breitner
> Debian Developer
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-20 Thread xaos x

Actually, you don't need to launch xfce4-desktop. just launch xfce4-panel, then 
zhone, or vice versa. The onscreen keyboard works *much* better that way.

-Tom

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From: "Michele Renda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 3:28:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

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Playing with [EMAIL PROTECTED] I flight with some problem, and now, because I
found a solution, I'd like to share with community.

After I installed Debian, it was launching by default zhone. For now I
need more a palm, than a phone so I list here all the changes I made to
make it usable for me. I hope it can be useful for somehone

I installed Debian according the ufficial procedure. Then with
ctrl+alt+x I entered in a terminal.

With these commands (or in a simplier way, with a ssh) I installed these
programs (check internet connectivity)

apt-get install aptitude

aptitude install xfce abiword gnumeric pidgin tangogps gpsd sonata mpd

Then I used the Sebastian Ohl's patch have a left click:

(thank you again Sebastian)

http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb

after I installed it with:

dpkg --install xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb

I have also to recalibrate the screen:

wget http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal
mv pointercal /etc/pointercal

Then I liked to start my FR direct in XFCE, without passing by zhone:

Editing /usr/bin/zhone-session

and trasform is something like this:

#!/bin/sh
exec startxfce4 &
matchbox-keyboard-toggle &
exec matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar yes

(the last yes is to have a close button, I like it more :) )

Ps. I think is better to fix the dimension of the font and of the icons
(I have 48)

I took part of the information from the official Debian guide for FR and
from here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian (Have a look
there to know how to fix sound and gps, I didn't tried).

I hope it help someone.

Best regards
Michele Renda

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Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:41, Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:25, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> what means "fine" exactly?
>> - no bootsector corruption?
>> - no sudden data corruption?
>> - lost card on resume?
>>
>> if so, which kernel are you using?
>>
>
> I have just bought a Sandisk mobile Ultra 8GB . ( C8151033340SX )
> Looks like I have the problem on resume.
>
> My installs still work ok, except that when the phone suspends, I
> cannot resume at all.
> So yes the card is probably not remounted correctly.
>
> I will try with from my NAND installed 2007.2, if  after resume, it works
>

I confirm both problems of card not mounted on resume, and partition
table corruption (resp. 1st suspend and 2nd suspend) :

NAND 2007.2 can resume (except that it was so long I was about to post
that it failed to), but the card is indeed on /dev/mmcblk1 now !
(and no more mounted)

And if I go to suspend a second time... it is back on /dev/mmcblk0 , but :
"
~# fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0

Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 8168 MB, 8168931328 bytes
4 heads, 16 sectors/track, 249296 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 64 * 512 = 32768 bytes

Disk /dev/mmcblk0 doesn't contain a valid partition table
"

Ouch this time my partition table really have to be fixed :-p  !!



On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 15:31, Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  result of fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0  (from 2007.2 booted from NAND ):
>
> "
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0
>
> Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 8168 MB, 8168931328 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 993 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>
>Device Boot  Start End  Blocks  Id System
> /dev/mmcblk0p1   1 536 4305388+  b Win95 FAT32
> /dev/mmcblk0p2 863 993 1052257+ 83 Linux
> /dev/mmcblk0p3 537 862 2618595   5 Extended
> /dev/mmcblk0p5 537 601  522081  83 Linux
> /dev/mmcblk0p6   * 602 666  522081  83 Linux
> /dev/mmcblk0p7 667 731  522081  83 Linux
> /dev/mmcblk0p8 732 796  522081  83 Linux
> /dev/mmcblk0p9 797 862  530113+ 83 Linux
>
> Partition table entries are not in disk order
> "

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Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now available

2008-08-20 Thread digger vermont

On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 21:30 +0930, Rod Whitby wrote:
> I have created an unofficial auto-builder for the FSO
> distribution at http://shr.bearstech.com (hosting of the
> server is provided by Bearstech - I have no relationship
> with Bearstech other than managing the auto-builder that
> runs on the server they have provided for this purpose).
...
> -- Rod Whitby
> -- MokoMakefile and FsoMakefile author
> 

Thanks for the very clear explanation what these repositories are.
digger


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Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card