Re: [FSO/Illume] Program icons not showing up
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:01:51 +0100 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@openmoko.org babbled: This always happens when we're starting to stabilize for a release. Last time it was something with a missing mimetypes postinst. Raster, any idea what it can be this time? icons display for me on my illume images, on desktop etc. etc. - so i'm on the works for me bandwagon (thus not answering these as i have no 'why' as i never saw it break). svnr37919 is the last svnr i built with OE I'm having problems with the 'e-wm - 0.16.999.050+svnr37988-r0' build. I've been trying both fso-testing and fso-unstable, same results. Editing the .desktop files and removing all 'Name[xx]=...' did not help either. I even made sure there was only one line containing 'Categories=' (some with multiple values, separated by ';') to no avail. I'll continue to harden some bolts and loosen up some screws so I will report if I make any progress. -- ex animo - Ingi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: detect host type?
Maybe http://nmap.org/book/man-os-detection.html ? 2008/12/20 Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us: OK, an FR has just been plugged into the USB port on a random host PC. Is there any way for the FR to consistently identify if it is a windows, mac, or linux host? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting from large microSD (SDHC) [success]
As I have posted the output of fdisk I have the partition. I was able to create the partition and see it afterwards. So I agree with you that it may the u-boot and or kernel. Mine is 2.6.24. I think it's time for flashing :-) Lothar Am 21.12.2008 um 01:54 schrieb arne anka: I have rebooted after formatting /dev/mmcblk0 /dev/mmcblk0 is the raw device, you want /dev/mmcblk0p1. look at the output from fdisk ... if it is still not there, your u-boot/kernel might be too old. are there any messages at boot? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Abwesenheitsnotiz community Digest, Vol 110, Issue 70 erfolgreich auf Virenfreiheit geprueft
Il 20/12/2008 23:00, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer ha scritto: Oguz, if you are on a mailing list, you better change your subscription options before going on vacation. Hello Michael. According you will be ok to remove the reply to address the address community@lists.openmoko.org from daily digest? Thank you Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Abwesenheitsnotiz community Digest, Vol 110, Issue 84
Betrifft: Ihre Nachricht vom 21.12.08 11:09:38 Ich bin ab dem 29.12.08 wieder im Hause der WGZ Bank erreichbar. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meine Kollegen aus dem IT-PM. I am currently out of office and will be back the 29.12.2008. For any urgent matter, please contact the usual suspects. Mit freundlichem Gruß / Best Regards Dr. Oguz Varol -- WGZ BANK AG Westdeutsche Genossenschafts-Zentralbank Sitz: Düsseldorf, Registergericht: Amtsgericht Düsseldorf, HRB 52363 Vorstand: Werner Böhnke (Vors.), Michael Fraedrich, Karl-Heinz Moll, Thomas Ullrich, Hans-Bernd Wolberg Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Dieter Philipp Ueber das Internet versandte E-Mails koennen unter fremdem Namen erstellt oder inhaltlich veraendert werden. Aus diesem Grund sind unsere als E-Mail verschickten Nachrichten grundsaetzlich keine rechtsverbindlichen Erklaerungen. Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail samt Anlagen ist vertraulich und u. U. rechtlich geschuetzt. Der Inhalt ist ausschließlich an einen bestimmten Empfaenger gerichtet. Eine Weitergabe, die Herstellung von Kopien oder der sonstige Gebrauch durch Nichtadressaten ist nicht erlaubt. Messages sent by e-mail can be manipulated by third parties. For this reason our e-mail messages are generally not legally binding. This electronic message (including any attachments) contains confidential information and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be for the use of the intended addressee only. Please be aware that any copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message by any other person than the intended addressee is prohibited. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] Accelerometer latency
Charles-Henri Gros charles-henri.gros+openm...@m4x.org writes: Any ideas why this may be happening / how to fix it? Sounds like http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2145 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Abwesenheitsnotiz community Digest, Vol 110, Issue 85
Betrifft: Ihre Nachricht vom 21.12.08 12:00:02 Ich bin ab dem 29.12.08 wieder im Hause der WGZ Bank erreichbar. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meine Kollegen aus dem IT-PM. I am currently out of office and will be back the 29.12.2008. For any urgent matter, please contact the usual suspects. Mit freundlichem Gruß / Best Regards Dr. Oguz Varol -- WGZ BANK AG Westdeutsche Genossenschafts-Zentralbank Sitz: Düsseldorf, Registergericht: Amtsgericht Düsseldorf, HRB 52363 Vorstand: Werner Böhnke (Vors.), Michael Fraedrich, Karl-Heinz Moll, Thomas Ullrich, Hans-Bernd Wolberg Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Dieter Philipp Ueber das Internet versandte E-Mails koennen unter fremdem Namen erstellt oder inhaltlich veraendert werden. Aus diesem Grund sind unsere als E-Mail verschickten Nachrichten grundsaetzlich keine rechtsverbindlichen Erklaerungen. Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail samt Anlagen ist vertraulich und u. U. rechtlich geschuetzt. Der Inhalt ist ausschließlich an einen bestimmten Empfaenger gerichtet. Eine Weitergabe, die Herstellung von Kopien oder der sonstige Gebrauch durch Nichtadressaten ist nicht erlaubt. Messages sent by e-mail can be manipulated by third parties. For this reason our e-mail messages are generally not legally binding. This electronic message (including any attachments) contains confidential information and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be for the use of the intended addressee only. Please be aware that any copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message by any other person than the intended addressee is prohibited. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Abwesenheitsnotiz community Digest, Vol 110, Issue 85
I can't get enough of these! Keep us posted! /s 2008/12/21 Oguz Varol oguz.va...@wgzbank.de Betrifft: Ihre Nachricht vom 21.12.08 12:00:02 Ich bin ab dem 29.12.08 wieder im Hause der WGZ Bank erreichbar. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meine Kollegen aus dem IT-PM. I am currently out of office and will be back the 29.12.2008. For any urgent matter, please contact the usual suspects. Mit freundlichem Gruß / Best Regards Dr. Oguz Varol ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headset GUI configuration
You can try to run the command passkey-agent --default pin in another ssh console before the dbus-send command. I managed to create a bonding but no sound on my Jawbone 2 with either the Btcpu or gsm_headset.txt files found in the wiki. It shows me that it's playing in the logs. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Simon Kagstrom simon.kagst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:54:36 + Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: r...@om-gta02:~# dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez org.bluez.Manager.ActivateService string:audio Error org.bluez.Error.NoSuchService: No such service it seems like bluez-utils have been compiled without --enable-audio. Could this be the problem? Do you have bluez-audio or bluez-utils-alsa installed? They aren't in FSO by default. Right, that's it. I did opkg install bluez-audio opkg install bluez-utils /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop /etc/init.d/bluetooth start and now the audio service is there. However, I still can't get the connection to actually work. I've tried to pair with my computer: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.CreateBonding string:mac but all I get is Error org.bluez.Error.AuthenticationRejected: Authentication Rejected With FSO I also get some kernel problems (2.6.24) when releasing the reset: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using s3c2410-ohci and address 3 usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice sysfs: duplicate filename 'hci_usb' can not be created WARNING: at fs/sysfs/dir.c:424 sysfs_add_one() [c002ebec] (dump_stack+0x0/0x14) from [c00d7abc] (sysfs_add_one+0x50/0xfc) [c00d7a6c] (sysfs_add_one+0x0/0xfc) from [c00d81b8] (create_dir+0x58/0xa8) r6:fff4 r5:c7085e48 r4:c7f1cab4 [c00d8160] (create_dir+0x0/0xa8) from [c00d8248] (sysfs_create_dir+0x40/0x60) r8:0008 r7:bf001e6c r6:bf003568 r5:bf003520 r4:bf003568 [c00d8208] (sysfs_create_dir+0x0/0x60) from [c0165aec] (kobject_add+0xf4/0x1d0) r4:bf003568 [c01659f8] (kobject_add+0x0/0x1d0) from [c00697e4] (mod_sysfs_setup+0x28/0xb4) [c00697bc] (mod_sysfs_setup+0x0/0xb4) from [c006aa04] (sys_init_module+0xf90/0x14bc) r8:c886ca04 r7:c886cbbc r6:bf003520 r5: r4:bf001e6c [c0069a74] (sys_init_module+0x0/0x14bc) from [c0029f40] (ret_fast_syscall+0x0/0x2c) kobject_add failed for hci_usb with -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same directory. [c002ebec] (dump_stack+0x0/0x14) from [c0165b7c] (kobject_add+0x184/0x1d0) [c01659f8] (kobject_add+0x0/0x1d0) from [c00697e4] (mod_sysfs_setup+0x28/0xb4) [c00697bc] (mod_sysfs_setup+0x0/0xb4) from [c006aa04] (sys_init_module+0xf90/0x14bc) r8:c886ca04 r7:c886cbbc r6:bf003520 r5: r4:bf001e6c [c0069a74] (sys_init_module+0x0/0x14bc) from [c0029f40] (ret_fast_syscall+0x0/0x2c) sysfs: duplicate filename 'hci_usb' can not be created WARNING: at fs/sysfs/dir.c:424 sysfs_add_one() [c002ebec] (dump_stack+0x0/0x14) from [c00d7abc] (sysfs_add_one+0x50/0xfc) [c00d7a6c] (sysfs_add_one+0x0/0xfc) from [c00d81b8] (create_dir+0x58/0xa8) r6:fff4 r5:c7e9fe48 r4:c7f1cab4 [c00d8160] so no luck so far. // Simon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Weather app: meooem 0.0.1
Here: http://gabuzomeu.fr/openmoko/meooem/ and on http://www.opkg.org/package_66.html , you'll find a small app which fetch yahoo rss weather feed and add an icon on your illume launcher. You can press on it to update datas. If not connected, no feed, and the temp will be -1. Code is bloated and ugly and the next step is to clean up before adding other functions like displaying next days forecast and things like that. Other change will be the icon set which could be more free than the stardock ones (see the /usr/share/pixmaps/meoeem/stardock/permission.txt). Please modify /etc/meooem.conf to have you preffered city weather instead of mine. Any suggestions welcomed. Yann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Text editing - esay cursor moving idea
Hello! Today I went to youtube to listen some Neil Young songs and I found this video on the front page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpxf28ja67Qfeature=dir What do you think? Can it be useful? Is it worth implementing into illume? Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om 2008.12] No ssh / no wifi ?
swap38 a écrit : Hi all, I've just flashed my neo with Om2008.12 with (jffs2, uImage and u-Boot md5sums are OK, neotool didn't report any error = everything is OK) First surprise : there's no wifi option Second surprise : I can't ping 192.168.0.202 (so I can't connect to it with ssh) Hi, I have the same problem - did they put in a non-compatible kernel version with regards to module? Does anybody have a working Om 2008.12 version? I checked the md5sums and they seem to be OK. - Is it necessary to flash more than the JFFS and the uImage? - Do I need to flash the u-boot, too? - And what is the lowlevel for? - Does anyone have a working Om 2008.12 with USB and/or Wifi? Looking forward, Linus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headset GUI configuration
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:29:07 +0530 Carl Lobo carll...@gmail.com wrote: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.CreateBonding string:mac but all I get is Error org.bluez.Error.AuthenticationRejected: Authentication Rejected You can try to run the command passkey-agent --default pin in another ssh console before the dbus-send command. I managed to create a bonding but no sound on my Jawbone 2 with either the Btcpu or gsm_headset.txt files found in the wiki. It shows me that it's playing in the logs. Sounds promising! What distribution are you running? What steps did you take after the bonding? // Simon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Importing Contacts from Thunderbird
If I understand the sed command it is changing some of the syntax from vCard v3.0 to vCard v2.1. I guess the addressbook app doesn't handle v3.0 but doesn't check the VERSION entry in the vCard either. On Sunday 21 December 2008, Dennis Wollersheim wrote: Hey Will Can you tell me what you found out about the format? It also does not import contacts from jpilot. Cheers Dennis Will Siddall wrote: Hey, I know there's a wiki item for this, but I just have to send it to everyone. I want to edit the wiki, but I don't know if anyone has run into this problem yet. The wiki shows to install a VCF plugin for thunderbird then just import the VCF into your contacts app. I had a lot of problems with this and actually found that the format of the VCF file doesn't match what 'addressbook' is looking for. Instead, here are the steps I found to work and if anyone can confirm this, I will add it to the wiki. 1: Export your addressbook/contacts to VCF file(s) 2: From your terminal, run: sed -r -e 's/;TYPE=([^,]+),([^:]+):/;\1;\2:/g' old.vcf new.vcf 3: From your OpenMoko, run: addressbook new.vcf Will ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om 2008.12] No ssh / no wifi ?
Linus Gasser wrote: Hi, I have the same problem - did they put in a non-compatible kernel version with regards to module? Does anybody have a working Om 2008.12 version? I checked the md5sums and they seem to be OK. - Is it necessary to flash more than the JFFS and the uImage? - Do I need to flash the u-boot, too? - And what is the lowlevel for? - Does anyone have a working Om 2008.12 with USB and/or Wifi? Looking forward, Linus Hi Linus, I ran into a similar problem. The solution that worked for me was: dfu-util -a kernel -R -D Om2008.12-om-gta02.uImage.bin dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin Some of that might not be needed, but i did it anyway. After it booted i had no working usb. so i powered it down, removed the battery and usb cord, waited a few secs and powered it back on again. Now it did work as expected. notice that the first boot took almost 2 minutes, while the second boot took a little under a a minute. i hope this helps. Kind regards, Ed ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Abwesenheitsnotiz community Digest, Vol 110, Issue 86 erfolgreich auf Virenfreiheit geprueft
Betrifft: Ihre Nachricht vom 21.12.08 14:28:21 Ich bin ab dem 29.12.08 wieder im Hause der WGZ Bank erreichbar. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meine Kollegen aus dem IT-PM. I am currently out of office and will be back the 29.12.2008. For any urgent matter, please contact the usual suspects. Mit freundlichem Gruß / Best Regards Dr. Oguz Varol -- WGZ BANK AG Westdeutsche Genossenschafts-Zentralbank Sitz: Düsseldorf, Registergericht: Amtsgericht Düsseldorf, HRB 52363 Vorstand: Werner Böhnke (Vors.), Michael Fraedrich, Karl-Heinz Moll, Thomas Ullrich, Hans-Bernd Wolberg Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Dieter Philipp Ueber das Internet versandte E-Mails koennen unter fremdem Namen erstellt oder inhaltlich veraendert werden. Aus diesem Grund sind unsere als E-Mail verschickten Nachrichten grundsaetzlich keine rechtsverbindlichen Erklaerungen. Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail samt Anlagen ist vertraulich und u. U. rechtlich geschuetzt. Der Inhalt ist ausschließlich an einen bestimmten Empfaenger gerichtet. Eine Weitergabe, die Herstellung von Kopien oder der sonstige Gebrauch durch Nichtadressaten ist nicht erlaubt. Messages sent by e-mail can be manipulated by third parties. For this reason our e-mail messages are generally not legally binding. This electronic message (including any attachments) contains confidential information and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be for the use of the intended addressee only. Please be aware that any copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message by any other person than the intended addressee is prohibited. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headset GUI configuration
Basically simply followed the steps on the Bluez Wiki for bonding. The
rest of Angus' scripts seem to work. You don't even need the device in
discoverable mode etc if you know it's bluetooth address
simply
passkey-agent --default pin (in one console - sometimes it stops on
tty output if i do an )
dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez
/org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.CreateBonding string:address
then in ~/.asoundrc
pcm.headset_raw {
type bluetooth
device address
profile voice
}
ctl.headset {
type bluetooth;
device address
}
pcm.headset {
type plug
slave.pcm = headset_raw
}
BtHeadset.py should work after that.
Now here's the strange thing - if I try
mplayer -ao alsa:device=headset it connects and shows me that its
playing - there are several card resets and hcid seg-faults every once
in a while, but I see SDP packets using hcidump. I tried all the Btcpu
state files as well as fiddling around with alsamixer (from whatever
little I could guess wildly at from the wolfson diagrams on wiki, past
emails etc) but no sound. There may be data coming in in a codec my
headset doesn't understand because if I press the volume key the
acknowledgement sound comes really distorted. Maybe my ScoRouting=HCI
then, I tried this quite some time back, I could have tried with
both...
however when I try a call - the Angus' BtHeadset script shows me now
playing, same with hcid -n -d. However no sdp packets before or after
I restore the state. Also ScoRouting=PCM (otherwise it refuses the
headset play). And absolutely no sound on the call on either end (the
mic or speakers of the freerunner, headset or cordless phone). I can
hear both ends properly from the expected devices before I restore the
state file.
I tried building bluez 4.22 a couple of weeks back. It better
identifies the features of my headset (the full handsfree profile) but
doesn't look like it's implemented... (there's no telephony-*.c for
openmoko in the bluez source either). But no sound here as well and on
occasion a blinking red AUX led and a kernel crash :).
The headset does work with my laptop though - using bluez 3.30 I
think. I could hcidump on both devices if anyone can understand it and
help... At least the output of hcid -n -d seems very similar for both
the laptop (on FC9) and the FR (on the newest SHR).
The bluetooth headset is something I badly miss, I can't take any
calls while driving. But at least I can take calls pretty reliably now
though :)
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Re: [Om 2008.12] No ssh / no wifi ?
2008/12/20 swap38 swa...@openmoko-fr.org: Second surprise : I can't ping 192.168.0.202 (so I can't connect to it with ssh) I had the same problem on first boot, and it was simply resolved by booting again. On subsequent boots ssh has worked every time. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Text editing - esay cursor moving idea
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:25:05 +0100 Leonti Bielski prishe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! Today I went to youtube to listen some Neil Young songs and I found this video on the front page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpxf28ja67Qfeature=dir What do you think? Can it be useful? Is it worth implementing into illume? Leonti Looks like a good idea to me. As far as I know in a lot of apps (terminal), moving the cursor is not possible at all, but in these where it is, I have problems with it so that kind of helper would come in handy. Yogiz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Text editing - esay cursor moving idea
Leonti Bielski prishe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! Today I went to youtube to listen some Neil Young songs and I found this video on the front page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpxf28ja67Qfeature=dir What do you think? Can it be useful? Is it worth implementing into illume? It certainly looks useful. I like the concept. regards, Andreas Micklei ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om 2008.12] No ssh / no wifi ?
Ed Kapitein a écrit : Linus Gasser wrote: Hi, I have the same problem - did they put in a non-compatible kernel version with regards to module? Does anybody have a working Om 2008.12 version? I checked the md5sums and they seem to be OK. - Is it necessary to flash more than the JFFS and the uImage? - Do I need to flash the u-boot, too? - And what is the lowlevel for? - Does anyone have a working Om 2008.12 with USB and/or Wifi? Looking forward, Linus Hi Linus, I ran into a similar problem. The solution that worked for me was: dfu-util -a kernel -R -D Om2008.12-om-gta02.uImage.bin dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin Some of that might not be needed, but i did it anyway. After it booted i had no working usb. so i powered it down, removed the battery and usb cord, waited a few secs and powered it back on again. Now it did work as expected. notice that the first boot took almost 2 minutes, while the second boot took a little under a a minute. i hope this helps. Hi, thanks, now it works. I must've fotgotten the kernel or so. Well, the Wifi-option is still not available from Settings, but at least I can ssh into it using USB and then activate the Wifi. Linus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Hackable-0.1 - rev 2] - dist-upgrade not working
Hello Hackables, As I didn't find the tracker for the Hackable distribution, I try here. I installed hackable which seems to be most of what I need and want. I already broke it ;) When doing apt-get dist-upgrade, I got two errors: - matchbox-something wanted to overwrite a file already present on the system - nothing a dpkg --force-all couldn't fix. But still... - linux-kernel was complaining about not being able to make a link to /boot/uImage - understandable, as it's a VFAT partition hanging around there. - after the dist-upgrade, the GSM icon doesn't show up anymore (I did install notifier-daemon) - anyobdy else? I'm happy having taken the Openmoko up, again... Linus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Importing Contacts from Thunderbird
Can you tell me what you found out about the format? It also does not import contacts from jpilot. What I noticed is that in most contact lines, the format would be: TEL;TYPE=CELL,VOICE:5551234567 the sed line pretty much changes the line to: TEL;CELL;VOICE:5551234567 Now, I'm no expert on the VCard format, but this a big difference between the formats that did work and what I had that didn't. So, I applied this line to a VCard that had about 100 contacts and everything went in afterwards (after taking out multiple line notes) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] koolu first beta release
I tried it, Still the keyboard does not work in all text dialogs, wifi doesn't work, I cant lock screen, and suspend still doesn't work, GSM seems to work. I reflashed my openmoko with qt after 1 days use, When suspend,lock screen and soft keyboard works i will give android a new try, greetings ! Cédric Berger wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 17:14, Giorgio Marci ledz...@writeme.com mailto:ledz...@writeme.com wrote: Koolu has released the first Android OS beta release. Does anyone have tried it? I flashed it. I did not notice significant changes from Sean's image of 5 dec. (yet ?) - Software keyboard has been modified with bigger keys. - Cannot turn on bluetooth anymore Did not try GSM yet. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Abwesenheitsnotiz community Digest, Vol 110, Issue 87
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Stylus/finger based innovative input
Here's something that I found in my RSS feed: http://procrastineering.blogspot.com/2008/12/nice-pen-based-input-research.html I found all three projects interesting and thought whether they would connect to the freerunner as well. While the first one would not come in too handy as freerunner touchscreen does not sense strength of pressure, the other two could provide some interesting solutions, particularly the second one. Display bridging drags could be used for quickly connecting freerunners with other freerunners or tablet laptops and share files and give presentations rather painlessly. The rolling interface could other provide ideas for hardware modifications (attaching sensors to stylus for roll input connected to freerunner via blueooth for example) or why not do it the other way, keeping finger/stylus in place while moving freerunner underneath (accelerometers). What do you think? Yogiz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Android]
I was in the process of flashing android for the first time. I understand only GSM works on android (no wifi or gps) and thats ok with me. Just had two questions 1) Is there a media player inbuilt in the android flash image? 2) Should one flash the Kolou beta image or Sean's image? Thanks Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OM 2008.12] Enlightenment Drop Shadow Performance
FWIW, I have been able to reduce the CPU usage of Enlightenment on my OM testing build device by disabling drop shadows. After recent updates from testing (which should be more or less the 2008.12 image) Enlightenment was constantly grabbing 20% CPU and who knows how much IO. After I obliterated the drop shadow module, (/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/dropshadow) only 1-2% CPU is being used. Moreover, I remembered some recent post(s) tentatively linking the Software-16 crashes (when using the illume theme) to drop shadows. On a whim I re-enabled that engine and am not seeing any problems. So, now I get a snappier UI to boot. -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om 2008.12] No ssh / no wifi ?
Ed Kapitein a écrit : I ran into a similar problem. The solution that worked for me was: dfu-util -a kernel -R -D Om2008.12-om-gta02.uImage.bin dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin Some of that might not be needed, but i did it anyway. After it booted i had no working usb. so i powered it down, removed the battery and usb cord, waited a few secs and powered it back on again. Now it did work as expected. That's what I've done but using neotool for flashing. The order was different (rootfs first), is it important ? Can somebody explain what lowlevel is ? I will retry to flash all manually. /Swap38 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Abwesenheitsnotiz community Digest, Vol 110, Issue 70 erfolgreich auf Virenfreiheit geprueft
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Please unsubscribe this guy. Oguz, if you are on a mailing list, you better change your subscription options before going on vacation. disabled his mail delivery in mailman. he can reenable it himself easily via the webinterface. kind regards -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM 2008.12] Enlightenment Drop Shadow Performance
Dylan Reilly schrieb: FWIW, I have been able to reduce the CPU usage of Enlightenment on my OM testing build device by disabling drop shadows. After recent updates from testing (which should be more or less the 2008.12 image) Enlightenment was constantly grabbing 20% CPU and who knows how much IO. After I obliterated the drop shadow module, (/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/dropshadow) only 1-2% CPU is being used. Moreover, I remembered some recent post(s) tentatively linking the Software-16 crashes (when using the illume theme) to drop shadows. On a whim I re-enabled that engine and am not seeing any problems. So, now I get a snappier UI to boot. WOOHOO!!! you made my day ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: I installed python 3.0 on windows xp (sp3) from http://www.python.org/ftp/python/3.0/python-3.0.msi but when i try to run it I get F:\temp\dist\om-manager\apprun.py File F:\temp\dist\om-manager\app\run.py, line 78 print usage ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax I'm probably doing something wrong. No, you're doing everything right. It's just that I haven't any time to run it on different Python major versions. It should be easy enough to adapt code to Python 3k. Quite likely it all adaptation will likely to consist of replacing print ... statements with print(...). And it's likely that there one or two places where print is used at all. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Lech Karol Pawłaszek i...@szluug.orgwrote: Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster wrote: [...] Not that i think it has much to do with your error, but you do know how windows handles ssh? (the answer is: not at all, because windows doesn't know ssh or anything alse that is absolutely fundemantal regarding networking, so you have to use puTTY, although, the program should at least start..) i goint to try it out tomorrow under vista and under debian The program uses paramiko library so one doesn't need ssh client binary. om-manager is nice. I was about to write something similar - like a host computer utility in python (but using Tkinter instead of wx) which connects to Freerunner and executes commands however mine was intended to mimic Debian's reportbug utility. Right now we have so many distributions, bootloaders and kernels that sometimes it's hard to reproduce the environment. I'm thinking about automation of gathering informations about a bug process. `uname -a`, `opkg list_installed` `cat /sys/magic/something`. If you don't mind Ilja I'll try to use your om-manager as a base for my work. As I see om-manager is plugins-capable so I hope all I want to achieve will be only a plugin for your program. ;-) Well. That's just a plan for Christmas holidays... I would be happy to see anyone contributing. As far as I can see, LogRetreiver plugin could be nice basis for developing such functionality (currently it acquires verious log files/outputs. such as dmesg and /var/log/syslog). Feel free to contact me for any kind of help or support (and inclusion of you into project itself). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: downloaded the 2.6.1 and now i get: F:\temp\dist\om-manager\apprun.py Traceback (most recent call last): File F:\temp\dist\om-manager\app\run.py, line 7, in module from app import logger, gui ImportError: No module named app On windows use run.bat in the root\om-manager ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Ilja O. vrgh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Lech Karol Pawłaszek i...@szluug.orgwrote: Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster wrote: [...] Not that i think it has much to do with your error, but you do know how windows handles ssh? (the answer is: not at all, because windows doesn't know ssh or anything alse that is absolutely fundemantal regarding networking, so you have to use puTTY, although, the program should at least start..) i goint to try it out tomorrow under vista and under debian The program uses paramiko library so one doesn't need ssh client binary. om-manager is nice. I was about to write something similar - like a host computer utility in python (but using Tkinter instead of wx) which connects to Freerunner and executes commands however mine was intended to mimic Debian's reportbug utility. Right now we have so many distributions, bootloaders and kernels that sometimes it's hard to reproduce the environment. I'm thinking about automation of gathering informations about a bug process. `uname -a`, `opkg list_installed` `cat /sys/magic/something`. If you don't mind Ilja I'll try to use your om-manager as a base for my work. As I see om-manager is plugins-capable so I hope all I want to achieve will be only a plugin for your program. ;-) Well. That's just a plan for Christmas holidays... I would be happy to see anyone contributing. As far as I can see, LogRetreiver plugin could be nice basis for developing such functionality (currently it acquires verious log files/outputs. such as dmesg and /var/log/syslog). Feel free to contact me for any kind of help or support (and inclusion of you into project itself). In fact, I'll really look forward to you questions. It would allow me to start writing developer documentation (I haven't done it until now and hence have hard time imagining what should be written and what could be omitted. Since I'm not capable writing everything) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
I'm happy to announce that I've finally managed to push out 0.1.0
version of om-manager.
Wanted to try but:
van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$ ./run.sh
= UNHALTED EXCEPTION =
Traceback (most recent call last):
File ./app/run.py, line 92, in module
run(sys.argv[1:])
File ./app/run.py, line 86, in run
_app.run()
File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/appRoot.py, line
79, in run self.showMainWindow() File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/appRoot.py, line
97, in showMainWindow from .gui import main as mainForm File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/gui/main.py, line
3, in module from .xrc.main_xrc import xrcMain File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/gui/xrc/__init__.py,
line 15, in module initAllMainModules() File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/gui/xrc/__init__.py,
line 13, in initAllMainModules utils.initModule(_modName % _name,
os.path.join(_curDir, _file)) File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/util/xrc/__init__.py,
line 49, in initModule _res = loadXrcFile(_xrcfile) File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/util/xrc/__init__.py,
line 26, in loadXrcFile _res.InsertHandler(_handle()) File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/util/side/xh_gizmos.py,
line 94, in __init__ self.AddStyle('wxDEFAULT_COL_WIDTH',
gizmos.DEFAULT_COL_WIDTH) AttributeError: 'module' object has no
attribute 'DEFAULT_COL_WIDTH' = END =---
van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$ python
--version Python 2.5.2
van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$ aptitude show
python-wxgtk2.6 Package: python-wxgtk2.6
State: installed
Automatically installed: no
Version: 2.6.3.2.2-3
van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$ uname -a
Linux laptop-vanek 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Thu Oct 30 04:18:38 UTC 2008
i686 GNU/Linux
van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$
cat /etc/debian_version
5.0
Any idea what's wrong here?
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Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote:
I'm happy to announce that I've finally managed to push out 0.1.0
version of om-manager.
Wanted to try but:
van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$ ./run.sh
= UNHALTED EXCEPTION =
Traceback (most recent call last):
File ./app/run.py, line 92, in module
run(sys.argv[1:])
File ./app/run.py, line 86, in run
_app.run()
File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/appRoot.py, line
79, in run self.showMainWindow() File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/appRoot.py, line
97, in showMainWindow from .gui import main as mainForm File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/gui/main.py, line
3, in module from .xrc.main_xrc import xrcMain File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/gui/xrc/__init__.py,
line 15, in module initAllMainModules() File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/gui/xrc/__init__.py,
line 13, in initAllMainModules utils.initModule(_modName % _name,
os.path.join(_curDir, _file)) File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/util/xrc/__init__.py,
line 49, in initModule _res = loadXrcFile(_xrcfile) File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/util/xrc/__init__.py,
line 26, in loadXrcFile _res.InsertHandler(_handle()) File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/util/side/xh_gizmos.py,
line 94, in __init__ self.AddStyle('wxDEFAULT_COL_WIDTH',
gizmos.DEFAULT_COL_WIDTH) AttributeError: 'module' object has no
attribute 'DEFAULT_COL_WIDTH' = END =---
van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$ python
--version Python 2.5.2
van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$ aptitude show
python-wxgtk2.6 Package: python-wxgtk2.6
State: installed
Automatically installed: no
Version: 2.6.3.2.2-3
van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$ uname -a
Linux laptop-vanek 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Thu Oct 30 04:18:38 UTC 2008
i686 GNU/Linux
van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$
cat /etc/debian_version
5.0
Any idea what's wrong here?
Try to upgrade to latest wx (2.8.*). Just checked from my debian box --
program starts up nicely.
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openmoko opkg update issue
Hi, I am a student working on openmoko. I followed the instructions on the getting started will openmoko wiki and tried to update my neo freerunner with the command, opkg update But it gave me the signature check failed error, so i changed the URL to http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2 But it is still giving me the error and not downloading any packages. Can anyone please help me resolve this issue? -- Thanks and Regards, Ketaki Deo Master's Student in Computer Science College of Computing Georgia Institute of Technology www.cc.gatech.edu/~ketaki ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$ aptitude show python-wxgtk2.6 Package: python-wxgtk2.6 State: installed Automatically installed: no Version: 2.6.3.2.2-3 Try to upgrade to latest wx (2.8.*). Just checked from my debian box -- program starts up nicely. thank you, that was it. -- Petr Vanek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko opkg update issue
Ketaki Deo schrieb: Hi, I am a student working on openmoko. I followed the instructions on the getting started will openmoko wiki and tried to update my neo freerunner with the command, opkg update But it gave me the signature check failed error, so i changed the URL to http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2 But it is still giving me the error and not downloading any packages. Can anyone please help me resolve this issue? what you did was not very intelligent. you should undo you cahnges! that signature errors are normal, because currently there are no signatures ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting from large microSD (SDHC) [success]
Lothar Behrens wrote: Here is the problem: After first boot I couldn't use fdisk, because it couldn't access anyhow. My 16 GB SanDisk SD-Card at first had also a problem with fdisk (from SHR distribution), but after an `opkg upgrade` all was working fine. Bernt -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Booting-from-large-microSD-%28SDHC%29--success--tp1473404p1688022.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM 2008.12] Enlightenment Drop Shadow Performance
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:13:59 +0100 Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com babbled: Dylan Reilly schrieb: FWIW, I have been able to reduce the CPU usage of Enlightenment on my OM testing build device by disabling drop shadows. After recent updates from testing (which should be more or less the 2008.12 image) Enlightenment was constantly grabbing 20% CPU and who knows how much IO. After I obliterated the drop shadow module, (/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/dropshadow) only 1-2% CPU is being used. Moreover, I remembered some recent post(s) tentatively linking the Software-16 crashes (when using the illume theme) to drop shadows. On a whim I re-enabled that engine and am not seeing any problems. So, now I get a snappier UI to boot. WOOHOO!!! you made my day dropshadow shouldnt cause 20% cpu - unless some totally bizarre stuff has been done to the theme: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 1261 root 20 0 23892 15m 6312 S 4.3 12.6 18:58.82 python 1336 root 17 -3 22388 14m 6064 S 0.7 11.4 16:39.74 python 1338 root 10 -10 22596 11m 7388 S 0.0 9.4 7:43.75 enlightenment 1381 root 21 1 11020 2860 2080 S 0.0 2.3 0:01.33 enlightenment_f 1317 root 19 -1 9968 2852 1564 S 0.0 2.3 1:05.34 Xglamo 1387 root 21 1 4724 1516 1084 S 0.0 1.2 0:01.12 batget 0% cpu. it will consume a little cpu while charging (2-3%) (redrawing the blinking + on the battery). this is out-of-the-box theme with dropshadows on etc. (illume+e without shr/fdom/asu changes). e-wm - 0.16.999.050+svnr37919-r4 - -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
2008.12 and USB network Ubuntu Intrepid
Hi all, On FR I've installed 2008.12 and on my laptop Ubuntu Interpid with wicd. I've tried several combinations of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others and ifconfig once told me it has a usb0 when I still had network-manager but so far I've not been able to ping or ssh the FR. Now with wicd, I have added this # freerunner allow-hotplug usb0 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE up echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward down iptables -D POSTROUTING -t nat -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE added the udev rule and script and patched this /etc/udev/rules.d/85-ifupdown.rules Should this be enough? Update, I had it running after manually running freerunner start but now it is dead again :( What is the exact (and minimal) configuration for my setup with wicd to get this working? Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: debian on freerunner
Hi, Am Samstag, den 20.12.2008, 16:32 +0100 schrieb Jos vd Snepscheut: Hello Andy and Michael, Thank you for your answers. No I did not use Qi=true!!! But now I did and debian is now up and running from SD! and now there is a new question: I do get an X screen with icons on the top level but there is no Zhone (just a grey screen no desktop) how can I get one. thank and greetings there is a problem with python-evas being out-of-sync with libevas. See the list archives for packages built to work around this, and track http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=508697 to see when this is fixed. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] enlightenment has no png loader?
Hi Neil, Am Donnerstag, den 18.12.2008, 22:44 + schrieb Neil Jerram: I noticed that there are now e17 packages in debian unstable, and that these include -dbg packages. Since my current e17 (from the enlightenment-all-in-one deb that someone put together) always SEGV's on startup, and since Raster has asked for backtrace with symbols when that happens, I thought I'd uninstall enlightenment-all-in-one and try the new Debian packages instead. But now, enlightenment_start bails with: ... ESTART: 1.49197 [0.75791] - test file format support Enlightenment Error Enlightenment found Evas can't load PNG files. Check Evas has PNG loader support. (full output attached). From googling, it looks like I'm missing a package with name like evas-loader-png, which doesn't appear to be available in Debian yet, and I guess I just need to wait a bit longer for the packages to get to that. Is that all correct? Or is there another problem / solution here? I don’t know the details, but in any case you might get more inforation by either filing a big against e17 (using reportbug), or writing the pkg-e team (CC’ed). Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] enlightenment has no png loader?
2008/12/22 Joachim Breitner nome...@debian.org: I don't know the details, but in any case you might get more inforation by either filing a big against e17 (using reportbug), or writing the pkg-e team (CC'ed). Thanks. For the moment I've moved on to playing with hackable:1, but I'll do this if/when I come back to plain debian. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Illume and E Gadgets...
Raster, I was wondering... Would it be possible to add E gadgets to the Illume desktop? I figure it would be cool allowing that. They should show as normal icons that could act differently on mouse-over (I'm mostly thinking to the CPU, News, Battery, Forecasts and Calendar gagets ;P). -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Illume and E Gadgets...
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:39:01 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net babbled: Raster, I was wondering... Would it be possible to add E gadgets to the Illume desktop? I figure it would be cool allowing that. They should show as normal icons that could act differently on mouse-over (I'm mostly thinking to the CPU, News, Battery, Forecasts and Calendar gagets ;P). yup. see gadman module :) already works. problem is gadman relies on a 2 button mouse (ir right mouse for control) - that needs fixing/changing so it can would with 1 mouse button. :) but in principle it works. it does conflict with illumes launcher - but.. i intend to split that off into a gadget and use gadman anyway :) (and improve gadmans' layout so things scale properly or position irrespective of resolution/aspec/screen setup). it's not perfect atm. that's why i'm not going into making the launcher better - it needs splitting out and other stuff first structurally :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: seriously dropping camera isn't going to free up money for 3g. 3g is going to cost many many many TIMES what the camera does. you're throwing out the basketballs from the garage to make room for the hummer. Mhmhmh... I'm not in that world at all. Please could you explain why a 3G chip would cost so much? Thanks... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Justyn Butler wrote: 2008/12/18 Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck? Get a real camera if you want to make some nice pictures! There is just one way to get a useful camera within a mobile phone: Using very expensive optical lens and zooming technologies. But in that case, I'd prefer to use the money for a 3G modem which brings me to the next point in my whishlist. I think this is a misunderstanding of the concept of having a camera in a phone. For many people it is the convenience of *always* having a camera on them. Who knows when you need to take a picture? It doesn't matter if the picture sucks - they have a real camera for quality photos. But they don't have it on them all the time. +1 I say this as someone who would personally gladly do without the camera in place of 3G. But doing this might turn off a whole other group of people, because some sort of camera is such an expected thing in a phone these days. +1 -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM 2008.12] Enlightenment Drop Shadow Performance
I definitely believe that it shouldn't be doing that and it was not always the case. I am certainly willing to accept there is something screwy with my upgrade path, but I did not do anything intentionally to the theme or defendant components. (The only thing that comes to mind that *might* be related is that I renice qpe to -5). Even if the 20% CPU utilization went away, removing drop shadows so the Software-16 engine can work seems worthwhile to me. angstrom-version - 1:-20081222-r1 e-wm - 0.16.999.043+svnr36882-r14.01 illume - 0.0+svnr36882-r14.06 illume-theme-illume - 0.0+svnr36882-r1.01 On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 6:04 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:13:59 +0100 Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com babbled: Dylan Reilly schrieb: FWIW, I have been able to reduce the CPU usage of Enlightenment on my OM testing build device by disabling drop shadows. After recent updates from testing (which should be more or less the 2008.12 image) Enlightenment was constantly grabbing 20% CPU and who knows how much IO. After I obliterated the drop shadow module, (/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/dropshadow) only 1-2% CPU is being used. Moreover, I remembered some recent post(s) tentatively linking the Software-16 crashes (when using the illume theme) to drop shadows. On a whim I re-enabled that engine and am not seeing any problems. So, now I get a snappier UI to boot. WOOHOO!!! you made my day dropshadow shouldnt cause 20% cpu - unless some totally bizarre stuff has been done to the theme: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 1261 root 20 0 23892 15m 6312 S 4.3 12.6 18:58.82 python 1336 root 17 -3 22388 14m 6064 S 0.7 11.4 16:39.74 python 1338 root 10 -10 22596 11m 7388 S 0.0 9.4 7:43.75 enlightenment 1381 root 21 1 11020 2860 2080 S 0.0 2.3 0:01.33 enlightenment_f 1317 root 19 -1 9968 2852 1564 S 0.0 2.3 1:05.34 Xglamo 1387 root 21 1 4724 1516 1084 S 0.0 1.2 0:01.12 batget 0% cpu. it will consume a little cpu while charging (2-3%) (redrawing the blinking + on the battery). this is out-of-the-box theme with dropshadows on etc. (illume+e without shr/fdom/asu changes). e-wm - 0.16.999.050+svnr37919-r4 - -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
U Pon, 22. 12. 2008., u 03:19 +0100, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) je napisao/la: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: seriously dropping camera isn't going to free up money for 3g. 3g is going to cost many many many TIMES what the camera does. you're throwing out the basketballs from the garage to make room for the hummer. Mhmhmh... I'm not in that world at all. Please could you explain why a 3G chip would cost so much? Thanks... I think somebody said that license for 3g is very expensive. signature.asc Description: Dio poruke sa digitalnim potpisom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:19:30 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: seriously dropping camera isn't going to free up money for 3g. 3g is going to cost many many many TIMES what the camera does. you're throwing out the basketballs from the garage to make room for the hummer. Mhmhmh... I'm not in that world at all. Please could you explain why a 3G chip would cost so much? because the only chips available in low volume (like 5k, 10k, 20k) cost a LOT. if you want high volume you cant buy a low-cost module, you need to develop it yourself from the original schematics - and then pay a license fee. there is an initial cost just to get started before you develop a single unit - this is in the millions range. (depending who you go to). then you pay PER chip in the range of $10-$50 LICENSE fees - you STILL have to manufacture the module yourself too. so not including your own manufacturing setup costs. now let's talk the volumes of freerunner. it's in the 10k's range (10, 20, 30 at most). lets assume 20k over 12 months (low but need to be conservative). let's assume the LOW end of $1mil license. lets assume we have $20/unit license. lets assume a further $500k module production setup fee. lets assume a further $10/module production cost (production, testing, qa, all oveheads). 1m / 20k = $50 / unit 500k / 20k = $25 / unit production setup costs + $20 / unit license fee + $10 / unit production costs -- $105 / 3g modem thats for 20,000 units. nokia and apple get to play the mass production game. its not 20k - its 2million units or 5million or 10million or more. so the equation is more like: 1m / 10m = $0.1 / unit 500k / 10m = $0.05 /unit + $20 + $10 -- $30.15 / unit. less than 1/3 the cost. as best i know anyone selling pre-made 3g modules so you dont have to set up your own production is charging in the range of $100-$300 per module (depending who you go to and the volume you buy). this is where someone developed the module (did what nokia/apple etc. do) and now re-sell their work. 1-offs i have seen for sale for $250 or so for a 3g module. buy in bulk and you get a discount of course (thus the $100-$300 range). and the fewer suppliers in between the better. of course i am talking ballpark figures - these are not exact nor do not indicate any particular chip or manufacturer. but they are about ballpark right. when you are apple and come and want to make 12m iphones - you get a DAMN good price as you invest the money in doing your own 3g module run (based on others original designs). also there are license fees you pay per PRODUCT that uses 3g (a % of the total cost of the product) - but i am not up on the details of these. again - these are BALLPARK figures and intended to demonstrate how when you do low-volume things like the freerunner you are in deep trouble trying to compete - it's EXTREMELY HARD. i make no representation as to if this matches any chip or is an amalgam of several and is even 100% accurate - or close. but it is intended as an illustration of the kinds of costs you have to deal with. you really need to give openmoko a break - or find a lot more open phone customers willing to buy millions of open linux phones. now remember - this is adding to the baseline COST. for every $ spent in cost, om needs to try make a profit. to cover development costs, support, etc. etc. - this is the only way you will also see it at a discount later. ie they lower their profit when the device becomes obsolete and to do so u need a profit margin to start with. so maybe you will take your component/base hw cost and double it - that's retail. so... add a $100 part - see phone cost go up by $200. of course if you are in the cut-throat retail channel business where you are selling millions of devices each year and trying to compete with the $0 free phone with your plan competitor - you shave profit margins a lot, but on small-volume devices like the freerunner you need high margins to support a company. as volumes go up - margins can come down - like pretty much everything as the many of the same overhead costs apply to selling 20k freerunner as do selling 10m freerunners, so not per unit. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM 2008.12] Enlightenment Drop Shadow Performance
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 10:04 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:13:59 +0100 Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com babbled: Dylan Reilly schrieb: FWIW, I have been able to reduce the CPU usage of Enlightenment on my OM testing build device by disabling drop shadows. After recent updates from testing (which should be more or less the 2008.12 image) Enlightenment was constantly grabbing 20% CPU and who knows how much IO. After I obliterated the drop shadow module, (/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/dropshadow) only 1-2% CPU is being used. Moreover, I remembered some recent post(s) tentatively linking the Software-16 crashes (when using the illume theme) to drop shadows. On a whim I re-enabled that engine and am not seeing any problems. So, now I get a snappier UI to boot. WOOHOO!!! you made my day dropshadow shouldnt cause 20% cpu - unless some totally bizarre stuff has been done to the theme: Running the illume theme: Not sure about the cpu - but removing drop-shadow does stop the segfaults when running software_16 engine. Also the Settings app now runs, and for a short while at least I had a gsm signal level (maybe too low where I am at the moment). Billk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
MAME?
Has anyone ported/started working on a port of MAME for the freerunner? A quick search didn't turn up anything. I know there's a port for the iPaq, so I don't think a freerunner version should be too tough. I just don't want to duplicate anyones efforts. Thanks (d) --- Damian A. Spriggs Writer: Weekly World Shrew http://www.weeklyworldshrew.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Thank you for your very clear explanation. Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: detect host type?
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Evgeny Karyakin anthropophag...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe http://nmap.org/book/man-os-detection.html ? For nmap to work, there hane to be some network services on other side. I don't think some *random PC* will have one. May be some device info as shown in syslog/dmesg on Frerunner will help? I don't own Frerunner, so can't check it myself. 2008/12/20 Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us: OK, an FR has just been plugged into the USB port on a random host PC. Is there any way for the FR to consistently identify if it is a windows, mac, or linux host? -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
