Re: [CGUYS] rename the list ...naaaah!

[Randy]

Absolutely; I fully agree - just ignore the various asides, like my 
commentary about the fundamental problem of humanity, in response to Betty's 
observation about people not considering consequences. Computers, of course, 
are products of people asking questions, including about implications, 
consequences and proper (critical) distinctions), i.e. critical thinking, 
and the lack of such critical thinking (really critical questioning) 
characterizes virtually all important public discourse.  So computers are 
related in that way to societal problems and our thinking about them - they 
are both products of processes that are essentially epistemologically 
opposite of each other.  And, of course, the problem solving that goes into 
figuring out what is wrong with a computer, etc. is also essentially the 
same


Furthermore, at a deep level, what gives computers their power to do all the 
things they do is most fundamentally the same thing that is at the root of 
both troubleshooting computers and the processes of the development of 
reason, science and technology that led to their creation and ongoing 
development.


So, as the Philosopher Hegel showed some centuries ago, its all really 
related, and in that broad sense, on point and on topic, even if it doesn't 
appear to be perhaps at first glance or to most people.


But I, too, am really here, at least originally and mostly, to tap into the 
collective experience and knowledge about computers and other related 
matters, because, as someone once said - and which is nicely expresses my 
theory, in its purely secular meaning - "Ask and Ye Shall Receive."  And 
there's no better way of receiving a desired or needed answer than by 
asking!


Randall
- Original Message - 
From: "rlsimon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] rename the list ...nh!


anyone who screws with this list is gonna hafta deal with me ...it's the
only place to get some solid advice about computer issues from people who
know something!!  I have saved hundreds of dollars and hours from answers
posted here by knowledgeable members for which I am grateful ...furthermore,
I have evolved from newbie to minor geek from what I have learned here over
the years...LEAVE IT ALONE, IT'S GREAT LIKE IT IS !!



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No virus found in this incoming message.
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Re: [CGUYS] Best apples (was Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

[John Duncan Yoyo]

I bought an apple called a Grapple that smelled and tasted very grape
like last year.  It came in a plastic box of four and smelled
wonderful.  I saw it at Wegmans and either Giant or Safeway.

On 9/27/07, Paul Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On the Splendid Table table episode last week they talked to an  apple
> breeding botantist.  He said they released  a  variety  that  tastes like
> cherries when fully ripe.
>
> - Original Message 
> From: b_s-wilk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
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> Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Best apples (was Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING
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>  >
>  > If you ever had a Cortland apple from upper NY state, you would know
> which is the best. :-)
>
> Northern Spy--not only perfect for my yummy apple pies--it has the best
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> Gotta go back to canning my apples now...
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Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus

[Richard P.]

At least with Zone Alarm you will know what programs on your computer 
are trying to access the Internet. It does require some judgment on your 
part because you will have to decide what gets permission and what 
doesn't. The neat (or scary thing you find out is how often all of the 
Microsoft programs want to "phone home", for their unexplained reasons.


Also, I've used Adaware and Spybot but they just didn't seem to find the 
spyware as well as Spy Sweeper did. Plus, Spy Sweeper was able to 
effectively clear up some installed spyware that the others found but 
couldn't do anything with. I don't know if it's the best, but it worked 
for me when I needed it most. Plus, being a paid subscription, it runs 
automatically and updates definitions everyday. Spy Sweeper prompts you 
whether or not to keep any newly installed program. If you ever have the 
misfortune of being infested with spyware, you'll wish you had gotten 
the best protection installed ahead of time. After the fact is probably 
too late.


Just my opinion...

Richard P.

rlsimon wrote:

I switched from Norton 2003 to Avast and it seems to work well.  I have
dialup via ATT via proxy accelerated ...do I need ZoneAlarm really?  For
spyware, I run Adaware periodically.  Spybot doesn't ever seem to find
anything, but has the "immunization" feature.

Mike

Stephen Brownfield wrote:
  

A coworker of mine just bought a new Dell computer (with Vista) and
her
free Norton Anti-Virus (spyware blocker etc) has expired.  She turned to 
me to ask me if she  should renew it or get something else and if so 
what.  I told her I couldn't answer it because as she knows I'm a Mac 
man and that would be a different answer.  I however told her that I 
would check with the list.  What do you recommend? It is a family 
computer.  They are a family of 3. Their son is about 12.

Thanks

Steve





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[CGUYS] Stealth Windows Updates Come to Roost

[Tom Piwowar]

While some will continue to defend MS's "stealth" patches, it is now 
revealed that sloppy programming creates a situation where the stealth 
patches block many (around 80) other patches to XP.

The problem happens if you reinstall XP and then try to run Windows 
Update. Apparently the stealth patches are installed first and these 
block the other patches.

Thus, those of us who must reinstall XP end up without the patches 
necessary to defend this insecure operating system.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,137770-page,1/article.html



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Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus

[Jeff Wright]

These are remote users on laptops, running XP.

> -Original Message-
> Why not use a stateful hardware firewall for this kind of protection?
> 
> Oops, I just read on Wikipedia that Vista does something that breaks
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Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus

[Steve Rigby]

On Sep 27, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Paul Meyer wrote:


Rather than being "consumer driven"
changes in software have always been largely done over the objections
of the user base.  IMHO (List, am I right?)


  I think you are pretty much right.

  Steve



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Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus

[Paul Meyer]

I think Mike is drinking the koolaid on this one.
I don't know about Apple but 15 years of familiarity
with Microsoft makes it clear to me that software
changes (i.e. features) are meant to drive marketing,
except unlike model changes in cars they are more pernicious
in that breaking old versions is part of the marketing strategy
(as is canceling support).  Rather than being "consumer driven"
changes in software have always been largely done over the objections
of the user base.  IMHO (List, am I right?)

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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus

Sounds like you are describing a mac..

And new technology often does not work well with technology that is a decade
old.  But then you already know that, you just like taking pot shots at MS
any chance you get even when there isn't an opening.  The routers will catch
up.  With logic like yours we'd still be using 386's.

Mike

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Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

[John Duncan Yoyo]

I was looking for cool apple names on the web.  Banana and Apple go
together way back for those of us who read Bloom County religiously.

According to this web page

 Winter Banana actually does smell like banana.  It is a September-
October fruit from these people and could presumably be ordered but
who knows how well it travels.


I found an orchard in Virginia near Monticello that grows them but
I'll leave it up to you to google for some place near by to you.



On 9/27/07, Constance Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Winter Banana?  Really?  Where can you get them?
>
> I can buy Grimes Golden, Black Twig, York, Winesap, etc. from Heyser
> Farms, but they've never had Winter Banana.  Do you have a source?
>
> --Constance
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> P.S.: My husband works at an Apple retailer.  I can ask him about some
> specialized technical Mac questions that are difficult to answer
> otherwise, and relay the answers to the list.
>
> No the vote on apple split three ways.  Fuji, Granny Smith and
> Gravenstein with a few outliers for Winter Banana,  Macoun and
> McIntosh
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> > Or maybe the last guy with a question regarding apple stuff was
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Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus

[Tom Piwowar]

>And new technology often does not work well with technology that is a decade
>old.  But then you already know that, you just like taking pot shots at MS
>any chance you get even when there isn't an opening.  The routers will catch
>up.  With logic like yours we'd still be using 386's.

Sh! Nobody say a word. Not only will Windows Vista mess with your 
printer but it will also mess up your router. It's a secret. Say it too 
loud and Bill's goons will break out the tear gas.



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Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus

[mike]

Sounds like you are describing a mac..

And new technology often does not work well with technology that is a decade
old.  But then you already know that, you just like taking pot shots at MS
any chance you get even when there isn't an opening.  The routers will catch
up.  With logic like yours we'd still be using 386's.

Mike

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> of being advanced? What a concept! I never knew that.
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Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus

[Tom Piwowar]

>> Oops, I just read on Wikipedia that Vista does something that breaks
>> stateful firewalls.

>YEAH!  Darn that windows vista for being too advanced...darn dirty vista!

Is not being able to work well with other software and peripherals a sign 
of being advanced? What a concept! I never knew that. Then fersure 
Windows Vista must be the most advanced software in the land.



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Re: [CGUYS] Best apples (was Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

[Paul Meyer]

On the Splendid Table table episode last week they talked to an  apple
breeding botantist.  He said they released  a  variety  that  tastes like
cherries when fully ripe. 

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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Best apples (was Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING

 >
 > If you ever had a Cortland apple from upper NY state, you would know 
which is the best. :-)

Northern Spy--not only perfect for my yummy apple pies--it has the best 
name.

Gotta go back to canning my apples now...


Betty



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Re: [CGUYS] x31 HDD upgrade ... interim report II

[rlsimon]

Finished the clone process and all's well ...hooked the old drive to my
desktop machine and "cloned" it to my 120gb ext USB drive (fully compressed
took 16gb while the drive was 40gb and was almost full with ~2gb left)
...clone successful and formatted the 40gb drive now having a handy backup
drive for my laptop!!

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Subject: Re: x31 HDD upgrade ... interim report


Installed WD-1200VE 120gb 5400 in my x31 with Apricorn Kit ...it was
anything but easy!!  Since the Apricorn drive needs 2 USB connections (1
data, 1 power) and the x31 has 2 usb2 ports and the CD-ROM also needs to be
connected (IBM external usb2 multiburner) it's quite a headache!  Was on the
fone with Apricorn for over an hour but they are patient and stick with it
until you succeed.  They need a detailed FAQ for the x series that do not
have an internal optical drive.



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Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus

[b_s-wilk]

Most of the "big 3" "security" companies' software is free after 
rebates, if you have the patience to find the details, best price, 
forms, contact rebate centers to insist your submission was correct, 
wait for checks. Sometimes it's worth the effort. I got the CA Internet 
Security Suite FAR [free after rebate] a few weeks ago. My rebates were 
approved, and the "check's in the mail". I don't know how good the 
software is, but the flash drive it's installed on is nice.


I recommend getting the free CA flash drive, and then put AVG and Avast 
[if you trust software from Praha] on it, too.


Is the CA software any good?

Betty



I wouldn't have anything to do with Norton. I have been running AVG Free for 
the last several years on half a dozen machines and have yet to see one 
indication of a virus. The very few email messages that come through past 
Verizon's filters get caught immediately. Then again, I don't visit Russian 
porn sites or offers for free wallpaper either. :-)

Go to  for the free download.

Mike 




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Re: [CGUYS] Best apples (was Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

[b_s-wilk]

>
> If you ever had a Cortland apple from upper NY state, you would know 
which is the best. :-)


Northern Spy--not only perfect for my yummy apple pies--it has the best 
name.


Gotta go back to canning my apples now...


Betty



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Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus

[mike]

YEAH!  Darn that windows vista for being too advanced...darn dirty vista!

Oh and linux too.

On 9/27/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Oops, I just read on Wikipedia that Vista does something that breaks
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Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

[Constance Warner]

Winter Banana?  Really?  Where can you get them?

I can buy Grimes Golden, Black Twig, York, Winesap, etc. from Heyser
Farms, but they've never had Winter Banana.  Do you have a source?

--Constance

P.S.: My husband works at an Apple retailer.  I can ask him about some
specialized technical Mac questions that are difficult to answer
otherwise, and relay the answers to the list.

No the vote on apple split three ways.  Fuji, Granny Smith and
Gravenstein with a few outliers for Winter Banana,  Macoun and
McIntosh

On 9/26/07, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Or maybe the last guy with a question regarding apple stuff was
refused an
> answer so everyone gave up.
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> Mike
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Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus

[Tom Piwowar]

>I stopped using ZA recently when it was blue screening my laptops when they
>connected to my .org's network through a VPN.  Worked fine one night, then
>the next day, WHAM.  Never could figure out what changed in ZA.

Why not use a stateful hardware firewall for this kind of protection?

Oops, I just read on Wikipedia that Vista does something that breaks 
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Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!! an on-topic topic

[mike]

If the RIAA and MPAA keep going in this direction I'll expect them to become
armed and able to enter anyone's house without warrant, another branch of
the IRS.

Mike

On 9/26/07, Constance Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I think too many list members have switched to OS X. Now they don't have
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> any computer problems to gripe about. The rest of you need to get to
> work
> -- install Vista or some other harebrained piece of software so we can
> ponder the consequences.
>
>
> WANT AN ON-TOPIC TOPIC to discuss and get mad about?  Go to Marketplace
> (American Public Media):
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> http://marketplace.publicradio.org/
>
> and click on "No pause in industry's rough play" under the "Most Popular
> Stories Online."
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> It's an RIAA story about downloading music.  Need I say more?
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Re: [CGUYS] VMWare

[John Mealey III]

This has been very good information.  I will get a copy of VMWare Server
and give it a try and report back in a month.

Thanks,

John


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A friend of mine uses VMware to run Fedora 7 from XP Pro without a problem.

db

Mason Miller wrote:
> I use VMWare on my Mac to run course loads when I am teaching.  Seems 
> very reliable.
>
> Mason
>
> John Mealey III wrote:
>> I might a solved my issue with the remaining three programs
>> I would like windows [XP Pro] to run:
>>
>> Everquest [crack for some]
>> Quicken
>> Versacheck
>>
>> VMWare workstation seems to fit the bill, get the unix version
>> to run a single instance of my licensed XP for these three programs
>> and run Linux.
>>
>> My question is has anyone had good or bad experinces with VMWare.
>>
>> There was a free version around somewhere, but I would not mind
>> shelling out if I could leave the Microsoft world behind, at least 
>> for home use.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> John
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Re: [CGUYS] VMWare

[John Mealey III]

I will try the VMWare Server for now, and if it works, 
puchase the Workstation 6 verison to include my Everquest
installation.

Again thank you for the helpful suggestions and thoughts.

John


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VMWare Server is free.  And you can use it to create new Virtual Machines
(VMs).  But it doesn't have the new features that VMWare Workstation 6 or
VMWare Player 2 have - support for 3D graphics, better USB support, shared
folders, etc.

VMWare Player 2.0 is free.  And it supports 3D graphics, performs better
with games, and has lots of other nice features.  But you can't create new
VMs with it.

There is a free program to convert an existing Windows XP install to a VM.
I think it is VMWare Converter.

I just use VMWare to run my XP system from time to time, as well as a few
pre-set VMs you can download for free for special purposes.  So I don't
really need the ability to create new VMs.

Thus, VMWare Player 2.0 is the best solution for me.  It does mean that I
have to learn how to edit the .vmx file by hand to get all the features I
want, though.

HTH.

On 9/26/07, John Mealey III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I might a solved my issue with the remaining three programs
> I would like windows [XP Pro] to run:
>
> Everquest [crack for some]
> Quicken
> Versacheck
>
> VMWare workstation seems to fit the bill, get the unix version
> to run a single instance of my licensed XP for these three programs
> and run Linux.
>
> My question is has anyone had good or bad experinces with VMWare.
>
> There was a free version around somewhere, but I would not mind
> shelling out if I could leave the Microsoft world behind, at least
> for home use.
>

-- 
John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



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Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus

[Richard P.]

I use AVG free for anti-virus, Webroot's Spy Sweeper for anti-spyware 
and Zone Alarm Free for firewall. It's absolutely imperative that you 
have these three areas covered (by whatever programs you choose), 
especially if using IE and Outlook. I also use Firefox and Thunderbird 
to avoid the MS holes. Good Luck


Richard P.

A coworker of mine just bought a new Dell computer (with Vista) and her
free Norton Anti-Virus (spyware blocker etc) has expired.  She turned to
me to ask me if she  should renew it or get something else and if so
what.  I told her I couldn't answer it because as she knows I'm a Mac
man and that would be a different answer.  I however told her that I
would check with the list.  What do you recommend? It is a family
computer.  They are a family of 3. Their son is about 12.
Thanks

Steve





  




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Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus

[Daniel Else]

12 in a male child is about the right age to buy NetNanny, too. Been there, 
gone through that.
 
Dan




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Re: [CGUYS] VMWare

[John DeCarlo]

VMWare Server is free.  And you can use it to create new Virtual Machines
(VMs).  But it doesn't have the new features that VMWare Workstation 6 or
VMWare Player 2 have - support for 3D graphics, better USB support, shared
folders, etc.

VMWare Player 2.0 is free.  And it supports 3D graphics, performs better
with games, and has lots of other nice features.  But you can't create new
VMs with it.

There is a free program to convert an existing Windows XP install to a VM.
I think it is VMWare Converter.

I just use VMWare to run my XP system from time to time, as well as a few
pre-set VMs you can download for free for special purposes.  So I don't
really need the ability to create new VMs.

Thus, VMWare Player 2.0 is the best solution for me.  It does mean that I
have to learn how to edit the .vmx file by hand to get all the features I
want, though.

HTH.

On 9/26/07, John Mealey III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I might a solved my issue with the remaining three programs
> I would like windows [XP Pro] to run:
>
> Everquest [crack for some]
> Quicken
> Versacheck
>
> VMWare workstation seems to fit the bill, get the unix version
> to run a single instance of my licensed XP for these three programs
> and run Linux.
>
> My question is has anyone had good or bad experinces with VMWare.
>
> There was a free version around somewhere, but I would not mind
> shelling out if I could leave the Microsoft world behind, at least
> for home use.
>

-- 
John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



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