Re: [CGUYS] two drives, two folders, two results.
Sounds perplexing to me too. But of course I have no idea what type of 'mirroring tool' you're using, or how it handles duplicate, private, or open files. And you should still have explorer set to hide system files, so maybe that accounts for the 'ghosts'. Even more perplexing to me is why you would be manually mirroring anyway. You're savvy enough to be using a RAID if that's really what you need. But then, imaging would be a much better solution for backup purposes. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:40 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I've got two drives I should have been using a mirroring tool to...mirror. But due to laziness and thinking it would be easy to not, I had not. So now I am checking for missing files between the two. Drive 1 has folder A with 13 files in the folder. If I get properties on this folder, it says there are 18 files in the folder. I have show hidden files checked, I triple checked that value to be sure. So I am showing 5 ghost files. When I get properties on the files contained in the two drives, I've got a 500 file difference with the one showing at least 5 ghost files having 500 more files. I am perplexed to be sure. I've run error check..any ideas? win 7 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] two drives, two folders, two results.
I said I wasn't using any tool. These files were moved by hand. I wrongly muddied the issue by bringing up the two drives, this is the context in which I found the problem. So I'll restart to be clear. I have a drive in which when I manually open folder XYZ it shows me 13 files. When I get properties on the folder it says there are 18 files inside the folder. HIdden files are shown, that I am sure. And to your specific question about manually mirroring these drives, I was in the process of being sure I was not missing files between the two drives when I found this problem. I output a text file of all the files on both drives and a friend on IRC wrote me a perl script to compare the two output files of the dives and spit out a third text file showing the differences between the two drives. Of not may be that the perl script showed the folder in question with the missing files, does not exist at all, in anway way. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds perplexing to me too. But of course I have no idea what type of 'mirroring tool' you're using, or how it handles duplicate, private, or open files. And you should still have explorer set to hide system files, so maybe that accounts for the 'ghosts'. Even more perplexing to me is why you would be manually mirroring anyway. You're savvy enough to be using a RAID if that's really what you need. But then, imaging would be a much better solution for backup purposes. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:40 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I've got two drives I should have been using a mirroring tool to...mirror. But due to laziness and thinking it would be easy to not, I had not. So now I am checking for missing files between the two. Drive 1 has folder A with 13 files in the folder. If I get properties on this folder, it says there are 18 files in the folder. I have show hidden files checked, I triple checked that value to be sure. So I am showing 5 ghost files. When I get properties on the files contained in the two drives, I've got a 500 file difference with the one showing at least 5 ghost files having 500 more files. I am perplexed to be sure. I've run error check..any ideas? win 7 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] two drives, two folders, two results.
Hidden files may be shown, but system files shouldn't be. IMHO, anyway. You can enable showing them, but it's probably not a good idea for most people. ANyway, if they were hidden they shouldn't be counted anyway.? You sure can't use windows explorer or perl scripts to do decent comparisons; what if a transfer was corrupt and a file is bad? I have at least two (pay) programs I could use that would work much better - Beyond Compare and Directory Opus. But, maybe because I use Dopus almost exclusively, I can't answer your question about ghost file counts in Win7, since I rarely ever use the Properties function. If you're sure they aren't hidden system files, or belong to another user, then I can't even guess. Just as a quick test, I pulled up Dopus and it tells me there are 4 folders and 12 files in this folder (explorer erroneously says 16 files). But properties says there are 110 files, apparently counting down through all the subfolders, so maybe that's the issue? FWIW, I can't find a discrepancy in any folder that doesn't contain subfolders. Maybe it's looking in compressed files? On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 1:33 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I said I wasn't using any tool. These files were moved by hand. I wrongly muddied the issue by bringing up the two drives, this is the context in which I found the problem. So I'll restart to be clear. I have a drive in which when I manually open folder XYZ it shows me 13 files. When I get properties on the folder it says there are 18 files inside the folder. HIdden files are shown, that I am sure. And to your specific question about manually mirroring these drives, I was in the process of being sure I was not missing files between the two drives when I found this problem. I output a text file of all the files on both drives and a friend on IRC wrote me a perl script to compare the two output files of the dives and spit out a third text file showing the differences between the two drives. Of not may be that the perl script showed the folder in question with the missing files, does not exist at all, in anway way. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds perplexing to me too. But of course I have no idea what type of 'mirroring tool' you're using, or how it handles duplicate, private, or open files. And you should still have explorer set to hide system files, so maybe that accounts for the 'ghosts'. Even more perplexing to me is why you would be manually mirroring anyway. You're savvy enough to be using a RAID if that's really what you need. But then, imaging would be a much better solution for backup purposes. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:40 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I've got two drives I should have been using a mirroring tool to...mirror. But due to laziness and thinking it would be easy to not, I had not. So now I am checking for missing files between the two. Drive 1 has folder A with 13 files in the folder. If I get properties on this folder, it says there are 18 files in the folder. I have show hidden files checked, I triple checked that value to be sure. So I am showing 5 ghost files. When I get properties on the files contained in the two drives, I've got a 500 file difference with the one showing at least 5 ghost files having 500 more files. I am perplexed to be sure. I've run error check..any ideas? win 7 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] two drives, two folders, two results.
Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: I wrongly muddied the issue by bringing up the two drives, this is the context in which I found the problem. So I'll restart to be clear. I have a drive in which when I manually open folder XYZ it shows me 13 files. When I get properties on the folder it says there are 18 files inside the folder. HIdden files are shown, that I am sure. There is also an option to show *system* files that is different from the Show Hidden Files. Are you sure you've got that one unchecked? You can tell by looking at your desktop. There will be two system files that show there if you unhide system files. One will be desktop.ini. I don't remember what the other one is. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] two drives, two folders, two results.
That's why I emailed the list...to remind me of any brain farts I may have had. I hadn't checked to show hidden system files. Thar she blows. I have a file .onetoc2 all over the place on this drive. Apparently this belongs to an office app. Why would this be a hidden SYSTEM file let alone a hidden file I have no idea. Doing a search now I find a ton of these files on the drive, a quick google search and I can't find out why. Thanks Reid for the help. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: I wrongly muddied the issue by bringing up the two drives, this is the context in which I found the problem. So I'll restart to be clear. I have a drive in which when I manually open folder XYZ it shows me 13 files. When I get properties on the folder it says there are 18 files inside the folder. HIdden files are shown, that I am sure. There is also an option to show *system* files that is different from the Show Hidden Files. Are you sure you've got that one unchecked? You can tell by looking at your desktop. There will be two system files that show there if you unhide system files. One will be desktop.ini. I don't remember what the other one is. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] two drives, two folders, two results.
And this still doesn't answer the question why your properties is counting these hidden system files. Mine certainly isn't. I mean, assuming I have an extra desktop.ini in virtually every folder, it's not showing up in my file counts. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:29 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: That's why I emailed the list...to remind me of any brain farts I may have had. I hadn't checked to show hidden system files. Thar she blows. I have a file .onetoc2 all over the place on this drive. Apparently this belongs to an office app. Why would this be a hidden SYSTEM file let alone a hidden file I have no idea. Doing a search now I find a ton of these files on the drive, a quick google search and I can't find out why. Thanks Reid for the help. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: I wrongly muddied the issue by bringing up the two drives, this is the context in which I found the problem. So I'll restart to be clear. I have a drive in which when I manually open folder XYZ it shows me 13 files. When I get properties on the folder it says there are 18 files inside the folder. HIdden files are shown, that I am sure. There is also an option to show *system* files that is different from the Show Hidden Files. Are you sure you've got that one unchecked? You can tell by looking at your desktop. There will be two system files that show there if you unhide system files. One will be desktop.ini. I don't remember what the other one is. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] two drives, two folders, two results.
Are the hidden files some sort of deleted files in some sort of hidden trash folder? But still being counted as existing because they are there and are recognized by the OS? Fred Holmes At 02:40 AM 11/26/2009, mike wrote: I've got two drives I should have been using a mirroring tool to...mirror. But due to laziness and thinking it would be easy to not, I had not. So now I am checking for missing files between the two. Drive 1 has folder A with 13 files in the folder. If I get properties on this folder, it says there are 18 files in the folder. I have show hidden files checked, I triple checked that value to be sure. So I am showing 5 ghost files. When I get properties on the files contained in the two drives, I've got a 500 file difference with the one showing at least 5 ghost files having 500 more files. I am perplexed to be sure. I've run error check..any ideas? win 7 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] two drives, two folders, two results.
.onetoc2 sounds like an indexing file. Fred Holmes At 02:29 PM 11/26/2009, mike wrote: That's why I emailed the list...to remind me of any brain farts I may have had. I hadn't checked to show hidden system files. Thar she blows. I have a file .onetoc2 all over the place on this drive. Apparently this belongs to an office app. Why would this be a hidden SYSTEM file let alone a hidden file I have no idea. Doing a search now I find a ton of these files on the drive, a quick google search and I can't find out why. Thanks Reid for the help. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] two drives, two folders, two results.
IIRC, desktop.ini exists only if certain features of the OS have been enabled (which features have their options recorded in desktop.ini). The drive isn't full of empty desktop.ini files. One of the features that uses desktop.ini is specialty icons for explicit folders. Fred Holmes At 02:55 PM 11/26/2009, Tony B wrote: And this still doesn't answer the question why your properties is counting these hidden system files. Mine certainly isn't. I mean, assuming I have an extra desktop.ini in virtually every folder, it's not showing up in my file counts. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] two drives, two folders, two results.
I've got two drives I should have been using a mirroring tool to...mirror. But due to laziness and thinking it would be easy to not, I had not. So now I am checking for missing files between the two. Drive 1 has folder A with 13 files in the folder. If I get properties on this folder, it says there are 18 files in the folder. I have show hidden files checked, I triple checked that value to be sure. So I am showing 5 ghost files. When I get properties on the files contained in the two drives, I've got a 500 file difference with the one showing at least 5 ghost files having 500 more files. I am perplexed to be sure. I've run error check..any ideas? win 7 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
