Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Randy Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 9.1: 1252778 Mar 14 2003 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.13mdk But you can still create a boot floppy with 9.1... That depends on the quantity of modules that will need to go in the initrd. If you use XFS or some large SCSI adapters, that won't be possible. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Svetoslav Slavtchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW, this exact same problem also existed in 9.1, so it is not a 9.2 regression. well not exactly in 9.1 the problem was only with xfs (module is ~300k) in cooker/9.2 the kernel is compiled with all debuging symbols (not the case with 9.1), and the kernel is with ~300k bigger Isn't it an ACPI interpreter problem, rather? There is no such 300k difference between 9.1 and 9.2. ACPI was introduced for 9.1 IIRC, and one can see a big change between 9.0 and 9.1: 8.0: 833285 Apr 15 2001 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.3-20mdk 8.1: 1047752 Sep 23 2001 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.8-26mdk 8.2: 887614 Mar 15 2002 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-6mdk 9.0: 880346 Sep 20 2002 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19-16mdk 9.1: 1252778 Mar 14 2003 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.13mdk But you can still create a boot floppy with 9.1... -randy
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
John Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Get a bigger floppy disk, or use ext2 filesystems only, or provide a patch to make smaller kernels. Yes; but who is responsible for this. 9.2 has been released with the inability to create a boot floppy on a standard 1440 sized floppy. Because of growing kernels, the need for drivers, and floppy drives staying at 1.44 MBytes size for more than 10 years. We can't do magic. We provide several ways of booting and rescueing a machine (come on, one can boot the rescue by cdrom, hard-drive, or network, that should be enough isn't it). I don't think other Linux vendors do more magic than us. If they do, please tell me, we could consider using the same magic than us. [...] Yes; usually use the CD myself. But none the less this is really not acceptable. 9.2 has too many stupid problems, from no screensavers in KDE, broken urpmi, and now this. The list is just growing day by day. Typical. As long as more people test it, we discover remaining problems. May I remind you it's simply not possible to provide a 100% bug free software release? And please also consider the (low) number of employees and contributors we have to make a release. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
John Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not so. I periodically tested the cooker tree for the ability to create a good install and a running Mandrake. Try this script; it creates a 1680k formatted floppy. If we want to go with larger floppies with 1.44 MBytes drives, we need serious testing. I'm afraid this brings lots of hardware problems (and floppies already have much hardware problems). Not talking about frying the floppy drive, a-la LG? :) -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Svetoslav Slavtchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW, this exact same problem also existed in 9.1, so it is not a 9.2 regression. well not exactly in 9.1 the problem was only with xfs (module is ~300k) in cooker/9.2 the kernel is compiled with all debuging symbols (not the case with 9.1), and the kernel is with ~300k bigger Isn't it an ACPI interpreter problem, rather? There is no such 300k difference between 9.1 and 9.2. ACPI was introduced for 9.1 IIRC, and one can see a big change between 9.0 and 9.1: 8.0: 833285 Apr 15 2001 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.3-20mdk 8.1: 1047752 Sep 23 2001 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.8-26mdk 8.2: 887614 Mar 15 2002 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-6mdk 9.0: 880346 Sep 20 2002 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19-16mdk 9.1: 1252778 Mar 14 2003 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.13mdk 9.2: 1343803 Sep 18 12:43 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-10mdk -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Pascal Cavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I second this, for example I have a machine where lilo does not work so I HAVE TO use a boot disk to start it. After 9.2 upgrade, I cannot create such a boot disk. (disk full during creation). You might consider the 1.6 mbytes floppy. But rather, why lilo doesn't work? It should. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: well not exactly in 9.1 the problem was only with xfs (module is ~300k) Disagree. I am talking about a vanilla ext2 install of 9.1 - it cannot produce a boot floppy. /me thinks it can. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mandrake 9.1 127509 Jul 30 17:48 initrd-2.4.21-0.25mdk.img 1263795 Jul 24 16:02 vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.25mdk 1391304 Mandrake 9.2 414616 Sep 22 12:46 initrd-2.4.22-10mdk.img 1343803 Sep 18 06:43 vmlinuz-2.4.22-10mdk 1758419 What a large difference between initrd's... are you using a different filesystem by any chance? Can you zcat and mount them and look inside what's going on? Don't remember any mkinitrd changes that could explain that. You might be using XFS or LVM in 9.2 that you didn't in 9.1? -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Randy Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Only problem is that it will only find the first installed linux on your disk. My test installs are always in later partitions. Well, not exactly, the first installed *Mandrake* Linux on your disk. That's automatic stuff: go to a console and mount any other partitions if you may. The rescue image tends to find the first one it sees. (so on my system it would see my 9.1 install instead of the 9.2... -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Le Mercredi 22 Octobre 2003 14:31, Guillaume Cottenceau a écrit : Pascal Cavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I second this, for example I have a machine where lilo does not work so I HAVE TO use a boot disk to start it. After 9.2 upgrade, I cannot create such a boot disk. (disk full during creation). You might consider the 1.6 mbytes floppy. But rather, why lilo doesn't work? It should. humm Guillaume, is the idea of generating an iso image for booting too fool or complicated, instead of a disquette image ? I mean diskdrake could generate a bootable iso image which we can use to create a bootable cdrom. IIRC mindi or mondo already have that feature. -- Pascal Cavy - VMF __ Running 3:23, 1 user, load average: 0.15, 0.31, 0.33 (gcc version 3.3.1 (Mandrake Linux 9.2 3.3.1-2mdk)) Kernel Linux version 2.4.22-10mdkenterprise
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pascal Cavy wrote: Le Mercredi 22 Octobre 2003 14:31, Guillaume Cottenceau a écrit : You might consider the 1.6 mbytes floppy. But rather, why lilo doesn't work? It should. humm Guillaume, is the idea of generating an iso image for booting too fool or complicated, instead of a disquette image ? I mean diskdrake could generate a bootable iso image which we can use to create a bootable cdrom. IIRC mindi or mondo already have that feature. Of course: # urpmi syslinux for i in `rpm -qd syslinux`;do less $i;done ;-) (or look at /isolinux on any Mandrake installation CD). But, this requires a user has a CD-RW drive. A better solution would be to ensure LILO installation works. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/ln5RrJK6UGDSBKcRAgMbAJ9ahrATA4BPMOBUEcgAl7PKiGDK/gCfWenF 2owFOmUA0cKjpPd6k2iTv24= =UPdh -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Svetoslav Slavtchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW, this exact same problem also existed in 9.1, so it is not a 9.2 regression. well not exactly in 9.1 the problem was only with xfs (module is ~300k) in cooker/9.2 the kernel is compiled with all debuging symbols (not the case with 9.1), and the kernel is with ~300k bigger Isn't it an ACPI interpreter problem, rather? There is no such 300k difference between 9.1 and 9.2. ACPI was introduced for 9.1 IIRC, and one can see a big change between 9.0 and 9.1: IIRC Buchan checked for KALLSYMS and it also was introduced in 9.1 acpi is compiled with Os and is ~120k, let's say ~10% kallsyms is additional 10%-20% let's say 120-240k (in my test with 22.10mdk i think it was the second number) and i think one can live without kallsyms, but acpi is needed for some systems as there were no such complains (except the xfs case) in mdk 9.1 i assume that if kallsyms is disabled, one will be able to produce a boot floppy and the regular user wont loose too much by running a kernel without kallsyms you could adjust the create_configs script to activate it in case a %debug kernel is built,if something needs debuging but adding 200k to the standard image without obvious reason? of course there are still other possibilities, IIRC around 9.1 betas i sujested to build 2 boot floppies, but no one was really interested in the idea svetljo 8.0: 833285 Apr 15 2001 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.3-20mdk 8.1: 1047752 Sep 23 2001 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.8-26mdk 8.2: 887614 Mar 15 2002 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-6mdk 9.0: 880346 Sep 20 2002 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19-16mdk 9.1: 1252778 Mar 14 2003 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.13mdk 9.2: 1343803 Sep 18 12:43 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-10mdk -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/ -- NEU FÜR ALLE - GMX MediaCenter - für Fotos, Musik, Dateien... Fotoalbum, File Sharing, MMS, Multimedia-Gruß, GMX FotoService Jetzt kostenlos anmelden unter http://www.gmx.net +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More! +++
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 13:20, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: John Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Get a bigger floppy disk, or use ext2 filesystems only, or provide a patch to make smaller kernels. Previously I posted a mkbootdisk that used the 1680K format for floppys; and with that you can indeed make a boot disk, and boot from it. -- John Allen, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MandrakeClub Silver Member.
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
John Allen wrote: Try this script; it creates a 1680k formatted floppy. Yes, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ron]# ./mkbootdisk --device /dev/floppy/0u1680 2.4.22-10mdk creates a floppy, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ron]# ls -l /local/floppy total 1584 -rwxr--r--1 root root 204 Oct 23 00:35 boot.msg* -rwxr--r--1 root root 269205 Oct 23 00:35 initrd.img* -r-xr--r--1 root root 7060 Oct 23 00:35 ldlinux.sys* -rwxr--r--1 root root 122 Oct 23 00:35 syslinux.cfg* -rwxr--r--1 root root 1343803 Sep 18 20:43 vmlinuz* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ron]# but booting from it reads initrd.img and vmlinuz, then aborts, rebooting the machine. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/--- Changed 19th October!
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 16:13, Ron Stodden wrote: John Allen wrote: Try this script; it creates a 1680k formatted floppy. Yes, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ron]# ./mkbootdisk --device /dev/floppy/0u1680 2.4.22-10mdk creates a floppy, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ron]# ls -l /local/floppy total 1584 -rwxr--r--1 root root 204 Oct 23 00:35 boot.msg* -rwxr--r--1 root root 269205 Oct 23 00:35 initrd.img* -r-xr--r--1 root root 7060 Oct 23 00:35 ldlinux.sys* -rwxr--r--1 root root 122 Oct 23 00:35 syslinux.cfg* -rwxr--r--1 root root 1343803 Sep 18 20:43 vmlinuz* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ron]# but booting from it reads initrd.img and vmlinuz, then aborts, rebooting the machine. Yep just tried it here; same unfortunately -- John Allen, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MandrakeClub Silver Member.
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 02:25:34PM +0200, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: John Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not so. I periodically tested the cooker tree for the ability to create a good install and a running Mandrake. Try this script; it creates a 1680k formatted floppy. If we want to go with larger floppies with 1.44 MBytes drives, we need serious testing. I'm afraid this brings lots of hardware problems (and floppies already have much hardware problems). Not talking about frying the floppy drive, a-la LG? :) a long time ago you could pass to the kernel the option root=/dev/fd0 and it would prompt you to swap the floppy after loading the kernel. L. -- Luca Berra -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Communication Media Services S.r.l. /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN XAGAINST HTML MAIL / \
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Luca Berra wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 02:25:34PM +0200, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: John Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not so. I periodically tested the cooker tree for the ability to create a good install and a running Mandrake. Try this script; it creates a 1680k formatted floppy. If we want to go with larger floppies with 1.44 MBytes drives, we need serious testing. I'm afraid this brings lots of hardware problems (and floppies already have much hardware problems). Not talking about frying the floppy drive, a-la LG? :) a long time ago you could pass to the kernel the option root=/dev/fd0 and it would prompt you to swap the floppy after loading the kernel. I do a 2 disk floppy to kick off the install on RS6000: boot floppy:\zimage fake_initrd root=/dev/fd0 rw load_ramdisk=1 ramdisk_size=36000 In this particular case, disk 1 is DOS formatted with zimage on it. Disk 2 had stage1 copied to it via dd. -- Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 08:25 am, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: If we want to go with larger floppies with 1.44 MBytes drives, we need serious testing. I'm afraid this brings lots of hardware problems (and floppies already have much hardware problems). This would be a good thing for a FlashDrake version a floppy would only need to boot the key (usb vfat cloop) and then spin the boot to the key for the install (of course the key can have a whole basesystem)
Re: [mklivecd] Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Thomas Backlund wrote: From: Svetoslav Slavtchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS. there is one related thred on lkml may be Where's the bzip2 compressed linux-kernel patch? might be interesting to include it ? http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10664547841r=1w=2 http://shepard.kicks-ass.net/~cc/ I have been following the bzip2 decompress saga with interest on the busybox mailing list but really wasn't aware of the bzip2 kernel patch. (Well, I am now after catching up on my mail and reading the above links.) I'll take a look at it, and maybe even include it for my next kernel wich is long overdue... As soon as you have it in, I'll port my bzip2 patch to it. The best approach would be to wait for the optimised version from Rob Landley and the busybox team, they have sped it up immensely. Hopefully with these changes it can come close to cloop in performance. (While waiting for the official bzip2 patch, I think I'll update my bzloop module to use the optimised busybox compressor, just for comparison sake.) Jaco
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Svetoslav Slavtchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: so the bloat started with 9.1 ? can you check grep CONFIG_KALLSYMS /boot/config-* the bloat really was acpi support out of the box
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Svetoslav Slavtchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: so the bloat started with 9.1 ? can you check grep CONFIG_KALLSYMS /boot/config-* the bloat really was acpi support out of the box acpi is about 120k that's true, but acpi doesn't say : the kernel size will increase with 10-20 % which is indeed true svetljo PS. there is one related thred on lkml may be Where's the bzip2 compressed linux-kernel patch? might be interesting to include it ? http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10664547841r=1w=2 http://shepard.kicks-ass.net/~cc/ -- NEU FÜR ALLE - GMX MediaCenter - für Fotos, Musik, Dateien... Fotoalbum, File Sharing, MMS, Multimedia-Gruß, GMX FotoService Jetzt kostenlos anmelden unter http://www.gmx.net +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More! +++
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
From: Svetoslav Slavtchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS. there is one related thred on lkml may be Where's the bzip2 compressed linux-kernel patch? might be interesting to include it ? http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10664547841r=1w=2 http://shepard.kicks-ass.net/~cc/ (I'm cc'ing the minicd-scripts list...) This is very interesting stuff as we alread have discussed the bzip2 patches for cloop.. and the possibility to add kernel support for bz2 as it now turns out... someone has already done most of the work for kernel bzip2 support, and it's now going through an optimizing stage, but should be stable enough to add... I'll take a look at it, and maybe even include it for my next kernel wich is long overdue... now I'm going to sync against Juans 18mdk, clean out atleast some of my *todo* and then we'll see how it goes... regards Thomas
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Svetoslav Slavtchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: so the bloat started with 9.1 ? can you check grep CONFIG_KALLSYMS /boot/config-* the bloat really was acpi support out of the box acpi is about 120k that's true, but acpi doesn't say : the kernel size will increase with 10-20 % which is indeed true acpi was the one than enlarge kernel the most in last mdk releases.. once acpi was integrated, there was almost no free space availlable on the floppy. it only need few enhancements to core drivers to exceed the floppy size... note that there's also another culprit: the bootsplash that enlarge quite lot the initrd PS. there is one related thred on lkml may be Where's the bzip2 compressed linux-kernel patch? might be interesting to include it ? http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10664547841r=1w=2 http://shepard.kicks-ass.net/~cc/ memory issues (need to allocatite much ram in real mode and the like) ...
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Svetoslav Slavtchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: so the bloat started with 9.1 ? can you check grep CONFIG_KALLSYMS /boot/config-* the bloat really was acpi support out of the box acpi is about 120k that's true, but acpi doesn't say : the kernel size will increase with 10-20 % which is indeed true acpi was the one than enlarge kernel the most in last mdk releases.. once acpi was integrated, there was almost no free space availlable on the floppy. it only need few enhancements to core drivers to exceed the floppy size... note that there's also another culprit: the bootsplash that enlarge quite lot the initrd ok, but disabling CONFIG_KALLSYMS does reduce the size with ~200k and probably with most filesystems one would be able to create boot floppy PS. there is one related thred on lkml may be Where's the bzip2 compressed linux-kernel patch? might be interesting to include it ? http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10664547841r=1w=2 http://shepard.kicks-ass.net/~cc/ memory issues (need to allocatite much ram in real mode and the like) ... from the thread i had the impression that it does slow a bit the boot process (until the kernel is decompressed) but it does work on any i586 did i missed smth ? svetljo PS. there was also i patch + thread for config option to compile with Os for 2.6 and i don't really know what could be done for the 2.6 case a generic kernel is about 1600-1700k :( -- NEU FÜR ALLE - GMX MediaCenter - für Fotos, Musik, Dateien... Fotoalbum, File Sharing, MMS, Multimedia-Gruß, GMX FotoService Jetzt kostenlos anmelden unter http://www.gmx.net +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More! +++
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
From: Svetoslav Slavtchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS. there is one related thred on lkml may be Where's the bzip2 compressed linux-kernel patch? might be interesting to include it ? http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10664547841r=1w=2 http://shepard.kicks-ass.net/~cc/ (I'm cc'ing the minicd-scripts list...) This is very interesting stuff as we alread have discussed the bzip2 patches for cloop.. and the possibility to add kernel support for bz2 as it now turns out... someone has already done most of the work for kernel bzip2 support, and it's now going through an optimizing stage, but should be stable enough to add... I'll take a look at it, and maybe even include it for my next kernel wich is long overdue... now I'm going to sync against Juans 18mdk, clean out atleast some of my *todo* and then we'll see how it goes... regards Thomas Go Thomas, go :-) i wanted to merge it in 2.6, but t couldn't access the wip area 1600146 Oct 19 18:15 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0-t7bk8newfb 1584806 Oct 19 02:22 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0-t7.ruby.1mdk 1756103 Oct 17 10:04 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0t7.ruby.1mdk 1408309 Oct 1 10:49 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0-test4 1432898 Oct 7 14:09 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0-test6 1416438 Oct 6 09:45 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0-test6-bk4 -- NEU FÜR ALLE - GMX MediaCenter - für Fotos, Musik, Dateien... Fotoalbum, File Sharing, MMS, Multimedia-Gruß, GMX FotoService Jetzt kostenlos anmelden unter http://www.gmx.net +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More! +++
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Buchan Milne wrote: Using the rescue mode of CD1 remains the only way to recover from an unbootable (lilo, grub, XOSL, etc.) system. hd or network installed systems do not have any CDs, nor can they be made with mkcd on an unbootable system. Catch 22? Rescue is available for network and hd installs. Have you tried it? I have used it a few times on a network install. Only problem is that it will only find the first installed linux on your disk. My test installs are always in later partitions. The rescue image tends to find the first one it sees. (so on my system it would see my 9.1 install instead of the 9.2... -randy
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Ron Stodden wrote: John FWIW, this exact same problem also existed in 9.1, so it is not a 9.2 regression. Ahh but in 9.1 you could create a floppy from drakfloppy. You cannot do that in 9.2. I filed a bug report on it -randy
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Buchan Milne wrote: Felix Miata wrote: OTOH, not being able to make a standard boot floppy is a serious handicap to those who for whatever reason can't or don't boot from the HD, and don't have CDRW or don't want to boot from CD each time. Hmm, IMHO better to ensure that they can boot from the HD. If there are still any guides about linux suggesting not to install the bootloader on the HD, let's go and trash them. All well and good for geeks, but not so hot for the less adept multibooters who fix their broken windoze by reinstalling some version of M$'s OS, thus losing ready access to Linux, since such people need be lead by the hand to do a rescue boot repair. When was the last time you booted a normal machine off a floppy (ie in normal operation). Have you *ever* done this for windows? I don't routinely use windoze, but that's irrelevant. I think I performed that exercise once very long ago just to prove the concept. OTOH, until Mandrake quit including making a boot floppy during install, booting from the new floppy was always the first thing I did after a Linux install. If you need boot regularly, HD boot is pretty convenient. OTOH, with a boot floppy, you're confident being able to reach Linux easily even after windoze disaster, or even Linux installation disaster, when adding an additional distro elsewhere on the system and the new goes haywire, ruining access to the previous. I see a 'kernel memory freed' statement of nearly 200K on every boot. initrd image. It seems there ought to be a streamlined way to compile a kernel that would not produce that result, with the result that a boot floppy could easily be produced to fit in 1440K space. $ du -k /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-9mdk 1320/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-9mdk 120k is not a lot ... In the context of legacy boot media, 120K is a lot, easily the difference between a floppy that boots and one that doesn't. Why so much kernel and initrd swell of late? Mandrake 9.0 138691 Sep 30 2002 initrd-2.4.19-16mdk.img 880346 Sep 20 2002 vmlinuz-2.4.19-16mdk 1019037 Mandrake 9.1 137973 Jul 30 17:47 initrd-2.4.21-0.13mdk.img 1252778 Mar 14 2003 vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.13mdk 1390751 . Mandrake 9.1 127509 Jul 30 17:48 initrd-2.4.21-0.25mdk.img 1263795 Jul 24 16:02 vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.25mdk 1391304 Mandrake 9.2 414616 Sep 22 12:46 initrd-2.4.22-10mdk.img 1343803 Sep 18 06:43 vmlinuz-2.4.22-10mdk 1758419 so the bloat started with 9.1 ? can you check grep CONFIG_KALLSYMS /boot/config-* kernel hacking=== Load all symbols for debuging CONFIG_KALLSYMS Normally only exported symbols are available to modules. For debugging you may want all symbols, not just the exported ones. If you say Y here then extra data is added to the kernel and modules, this data lists all the non-stack symbols in the kernel or module and can be used by any debugger. You need modutils = 2.3.11 to use this option. See man kallsyms for the data format, it adds 10-20% to the size of the kernel and the loaded modules. If unsure, say N. and a shorter verson :-) it adds 10-20% to the size of the kernel and the loaded modules. If unsure, say N. -- NEU FÜR ALLE - GMX MediaCenter - für Fotos, Musik, Dateien... Fotoalbum, File Sharing, MMS, Multimedia-Gruß, GMX FotoService Jetzt kostenlos anmelden unter http://www.gmx.net +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More! +++
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Randy Welch wrote: Ron Stodden wrote: John FWIW, this exact same problem also existed in 9.1, so it is not a 9.2 regression. Ahh but in 9.1 you could create a floppy from drakfloppy. You cannot do that in 9.2. I filed a bug report on it Interesting. drakfloppy provides a pulldown list for the device, but it only contains /dev/fd0 The list should give the choices of: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ron]# ls -l /dev/fd/ total 0 lrwx--1 root root 64 Oct 18 19:06 0 - /dev/pts/1 lrwx--1 root root 64 Oct 18 19:06 1 - /dev/pts/1 lrwx--1 root root 64 Oct 18 19:06 2 - /dev/pts/1 lr-x--1 root root 64 Oct 18 19:06 3 - /proc/6817/fd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ron]# ls /dev/fd* /dev/fd@/dev/fd0u1120@ /dev/fd0u1680@ /dev/fd0u1760@ /dev/fd0u360@ /dev/fd0u820@ /dev/fd0@ /dev/fd0u1440@ /dev/fd0u1722@ /dev/fd0u1840@ /dev/fd0u720@ /dev/fd0u830@ /dev/fd0u1040@ /dev/fd0u1600@ /dev/fd0u1743@ /dev/fd0u1920@ /dev/fd0u800@ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ron]# ls /dev/floppy/ 0 0u1120 0u1600 0u1722 0u1760 0u1920 0u720 0u820 0u1040 0u1440 0u1680 0u1743 0u1840 0u360 0u800 0u830 which should provide enough floppy space. In practice, most floppies will stand these higher bit densities. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Click all ye faithful!
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: so the bloat started with 9.1 ? can you check grep CONFIG_KALLSYMS /boot/config-* Good call: $ grep CONFIG_KALLSYMS /boot/config-* /boot/config-2.4.19-16mdk:# CONFIG_KALLSYMS is not set /boot/config-2.4.21-0.13mdk:CONFIG_KALLSYMS=y /boot/config-2.4.21-0.18mdk:CONFIG_KALLSYMS=y /boot/config-2.4.21-0.19mm-mdk:CONFIG_KALLSYMS=y /boot/config-2.4.21-6.5tmb:CONFIG_KALLSYMS=y /boot/config-2.4.22-9mdk:CONFIG_KALLSYMS=y /boot/config-2.4.22-9mdkenterprise:CONFIG_KALLSYMS=y /boot/config-2.4.22-9mdksmp:CONFIG_KALLSYMS=y /boot/config-2.4.22-9mm.1mdk:CONFIG_KALLSYMS=y $ du -k /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.* 864 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19-16mdk 1228/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.13mdk 1240/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.18mdk 1272/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.19mm-mdk 1264/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-6.5tmb 1320/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-9mdk 1348/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-9mdkenterprise 1328/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-9mdksmp 1372/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-9mm.1mdk Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/kQ7urJK6UGDSBKcRAkvOAJ97wbq+mRfXCiS/utT2xTPW38miEgCgrkrh iHu2aC1eIDMcK/BW9PDjm8E= =2Vqx -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Randy Welch wrote: Only problem is that it will only find the first installed linux on your disk. My test installs are always in later partitions. The rescue image tends to find the first one it sees. (so on my system it would see my 9.1 install instead of the 9.2... I almost never tell rescue to mount partitions for me. Just go to console, and mount the correct partition on /mnt directly.
[Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk! The installer option to produce a boot 1.44 floppy, if you can manage to find it from its hiding place, produces only an ?Error! message. That floppy will not boot the system. Trying explicitly leads to exactly the same behaviour and again produces a disk which will not boot: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ron]# uname -r 2.4.22-10mdk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ron]# mkbootdisk 2.4.22-10mdk Insert a disk in /dev/floppy/0. Any information on the disk will be lost. Press Enter to continue or ^C to abort: cp: writing `/tmp/mkbootdisk/initrd.img': No space left on device Error ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ron]# This is a very basic and essential requirement which should not be in any way hidden. Using the rescue mode of CD1 remains the only way to recover from an unbootable (lilo, grub, XOSL, etc.) system. hd or network installed systems do not have any CDs, nor can they be made with mkcd on an unbootable system. Catch 22? -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Click all ye faithful!
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Stodden wrote: 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk! The installer option to produce a boot 1.44 floppy, if you can manage to find it from its hiding place, produces only an ?Error! message. That floppy will not boot the system. Trying explicitly leads to exactly the same behaviour and again produces a disk which will not boot: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ron]# uname -r 2.4.22-10mdk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ron]# mkbootdisk 2.4.22-10mdk Insert a disk in /dev/floppy/0. Any information on the disk will be lost. Press Enter to continue or ^C to abort: cp: writing `/tmp/mkbootdisk/initrd.img': No space left on device Error ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ron]# Get a bigger floppy disk, or use ext2 filesystems only, or provide a patch to make smaller kernels. This is a very basic and essential requirement which should not be in any way hidden. Haven't made a boot floppy (besides to install from) myself in over 2 years. Using the rescue mode of CD1 remains the only way to recover from an unbootable (lilo, grub, XOSL, etc.) system. hd or network installed systems do not have any CDs, nor can they be made with mkcd on an unbootable system. Catch 22? Rescue is available for network and hd installs. Have you tried it? I have used it a few times on a network install. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/j8/NrJK6UGDSBKcRAlLTAKCG46c2MRg+TC2D4j61pIowW4tZcQCgowHp HDZp9w+d+NQy7+bZCPaPxzI= =o5Uh -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
On Friday 17 October 2003 12:07, Ron Stodden wrote: 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk! [snipped] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ron]# uname -r 2.4.22-10mdk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ron]# mkbootdisk 2.4.22-10mdk Insert a disk in /dev/floppy/0. Any information on the disk will be lost. Press Enter to continue or ^C to abort: cp: writing `/tmp/mkbootdisk/initrd.img': No space left on device Error ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ron]# A quick hack of the mkbootdisk script show that vmlinuz+ld-linux.sys+initrd.img exceeds the size of a floppy. -- John Allen, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MandrakeClub Silver Member.
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
On Friday 17 October 2003 12:17, Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [snipped] Get a bigger floppy disk, or use ext2 filesystems only, or provide a patch to make smaller kernels. Yes; but who is responsible for this. 9.2 has been released with the inability to create a boot floppy on a standard 1440 sized floppy. This is a very basic and essential requirement which should not be in any way hidden. Haven't made a boot floppy (besides to install from) myself in over 2 years. Yes; usually use the CD myself. But none the less this is really not acceptable. 9.2 has too many stupid problems, from no screensavers in KDE, broken urpmi, and now this. The list is just growing day by day. -- John Allen, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MandrakeClub Silver Member.
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
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John Allen wrote:
On Friday 17 October 2003 12:17, Buchan Milne wrote:
This is a very basic and essential requirement which should not be in
any way hidden.
Haven't made a boot floppy (besides to install from) myself in over 2
years.
Oh, I forgot to mention, my desktop at home had it's floppy drive die
(well, it got a dry solder joint). I fixed it, but I haven't bothered to
put it back.
Many new machines now come without floppy disks.
Yes; usually use the CD myself. But none the less this is really not
acceptable. 9.2 has too many stupid problems, from no screensavers in
KDE,
Mine work. Isn't this just a symptom of the rpm/update-menus issue?
broken urpmi
Actually, I need to file another bug on urpmi, I think --distrib isn't
working (even for a CD medium).
and now this. The list is just growing day by day.
That's natural.
BTW, the reason for the bootdisk not working is quite apparent, but I
don't know if there is any easy way to fix it:
# ll /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.2{1-0.{13,18},2-9}mdk
- -rw-r--r--1 root root 1252778 Mar 14 2003
/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.13mdk
- -rw-r--r--1 root root 1261861 Jun 4 21:29
/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.18mdk
- -rw-r--r--1 root root 1346493 Sep 13 07:07
/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-9mdk
I am quite sure it affected 9.1 also in some configurations (like xfs on
root), due to a large initrd image.
IMHO, we shouldn't ever need a boot floppy after installation (if so,
there are more serious bugs to fix).
Of course, it would be nice to have it working by default, but Ron
always goes overboard on his small niggles in the first two weeks of a
release (he could have tested this in the beta series of course ...).
Regards,
Buchan
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Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
On Friday 17 October 2003 12:37, Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Many new machines now come without floppy disks. Yeah, my home made PC's don't have floppys (except for the server). Yes; usually use the CD myself. But none the less this is really not acceptable. 9.2 has too many stupid problems, from no screensavers in KDE, Mine work. Isn't this just a symptom of the rpm/update-menus issue? Mine now work, but I've updated to cooker packages. The problem I experienced was that the ScreenSavers module was trying to list /usr/share/applnk-mdk.hidden/ScreenSavers rather than /usr/share/applnk-mdk./hidden/ScreenSavers broken urpmi Actually, I need to file another bug on urpmi, I think --distrib isn't working (even for a CD medium). and now this. The list is just growing day by day. That's natural. True, but many of the problems are really silly. I really do believe that a longer freeze/bug fix period is necessary for better quality releases. As this is almost certainly the case, cooker should be forked long before releases are due, and only bug fixes, and essential security fixes allowed. Of course, it would be nice to have it working by default, but Ron always goes overboard on his small niggles in the first two weeks of a release (he could have tested this in the beta series of course ...). Well its easy to get upset, then post. Better to let it sink in overnight, and post in the morning. -- John Allen, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MandrakeClub Silver Member.
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
John Allen wrote: On Friday 17 October 2003 12:17, Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [snipped] Get a bigger floppy disk, or use ext2 filesystems only, or provide a patch to make smaller kernels. Yes; but who is responsible for this. 9.2 has been released with the inability to create a boot floppy on a standard 1440 sized floppy. This is a very basic and essential requirement which should not be in any way hidden. Haven't made a boot floppy (besides to install from) myself in over 2 years. Yes; usually use the CD myself. But none the less this is really not acceptable. 9.2 has too many stupid problems, from no screensavers in KDE, broken urpmi, and now this. The list is just growing day by day. FWIW, this exact same problem also existed in 9.1, so it is not a 9.2 regression. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Click all ye faithful!
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Buchan Milne wrote: Of course, it would be nice to have it working by default, but Ron always goes overboard on his small niggles in the first two weeks of a release (he could have tested this in the beta series of course ...). Not so. I periodically tested the cooker tree for the ability to create a good install and a running Mandrake. Results: Effectively it never does - no, not once! - and this includes through the times that the ISO betas and release candidates were available. So there is no choice but to abandon beta testing for people without the bandwidth to download CD images. The CDs are constructed incomplete anyway because of space limitations, therefore not worthy objects to test.Stick with the trees, please. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Click all ye faithful!
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
On Friday 17 October 2003 14:46, Ron Stodden wrote: Buchan Milne wrote: Of course, it would be nice to have it working by default, but Ron always goes overboard on his small niggles in the first two weeks of a release (he could have tested this in the beta series of course ...). Not so. I periodically tested the cooker tree for the ability to create a good install and a running Mandrake. Try this script; it creates a 1680k formatted floppy. Results: Effectively it never does - no, not once! - and this includes through the times that the ISO betas and release candidates were available. So there is no choice but to abandon beta testing for people without the bandwidth to download CD images. The CDs are constructed incomplete anyway because of space limitations, therefore not worthy objects to test.Stick with the trees, please. -- John Allen, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MandrakeClub Silver Member. mkbootdisk Description: application/shellscript
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Buchan Milne wrote: Rescue is available for network and hd installs. Have you tried it? I have used it a few times on a network install. That´s news to me. Pray tell us how rescue is initiated from an hd or network install, and where that is so unmissably documented that I must have missed it ... -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Click all ye faithful!
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Ron Stodden wrote: Buchan Milne wrote: Rescue is available for network and hd installs. Have you tried it? I have used it a few times on a network install. That´s news to me. Pray tell us how rescue is initiated from an hd or network install, and where that is so unmissably documented that I must have missed it ... AFAIK, all of the boot paths (floppy images, ISOs) give you the F1/Enter option when they start.
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Buchan Milne wrote: Using the rescue mode of CD1 remains the only way to recover from an unbootable (lilo, grub, XOSL, etc.) system. hd or network installed systems do not have any CDs, nor can they be made with mkcd on an unbootable system. Catch 22? Ron Stodden wrote: Pray tell us where that is so unmissably documented that I must have missed it ... No mention of a ¨rescue¨ operation appears anywhere in the Info (F1) or Advanced Info (F2) on a hd.img floppy. - Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Click all ye faithful!
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
John Allen wrote: On Friday 17 October 2003 12:17, Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [snipped] Get a bigger floppy disk, or use ext2 filesystems only, or provide a patch to make smaller kernels. Yes; but who is responsible for this. 9.2 has been released with the inability to create a boot floppy on a standard 1440 sized floppy. This is a very basic and essential requirement which should not be in any way hidden. Haven't made a boot floppy (besides to install from) myself in over 2 years. Yes; usually use the CD myself. But none the less this is really not acceptable. 9.2 has too many stupid problems, from no screensavers in KDE, broken urpmi, and now this. The list is just growing day by day. FWIW, this exact same problem also existed in 9.1, so it is not a 9.2 regression. well not exactly in 9.1 the problem was only with xfs (module is ~300k) in cooker/9.2 the kernel is compiled with all debuging symbols (not the case with 9.1), and the kernel is with ~300k bigger just do test recompile of the kernel with this feature enabled/disabled and do a ls -l arch/i386/boot/bzImage between the recompiles the last time i checked it was : 9xx kb against 12xxkb so... -- NEU FÜR ALLE - GMX MediaCenter - für Fotos, Musik, Dateien... Fotoalbum, File Sharing, MMS, Multimedia-Gruß, GMX FotoService Jetzt kostenlos anmelden unter http://www.gmx.net +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More! +++
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: FWIW, this exact same problem also existed in 9.1, so it is not a 9.2 regression. well not exactly in 9.1 the problem was only with xfs (module is ~300k) Disagree. I am talking about a vanilla ext2 install of 9.1 - it cannot produce a boot floppy. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Click all ye faithful!
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Le Vendredi 17 Octobre 2003 17:18, Svetoslav Slavtchev a écrit : Yes; but who is responsible for this. 9.2 has been released with the inability to create a boot floppy on a standard 1440 sized floppy. This is a very basic and essential requirement which should not be in any way hidden. Haven't made a boot floppy (besides to install from) myself in over 2 years. I second this, for example I have a machine where lilo does not work so I HAVE TO use a boot disk to start it. After 9.2 upgrade, I cannot create such a boot disk. (disk full during creation). -- Pascal Cavy - VMF __ Running 13 days, 20:55, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.05 (gcc version 3.3.1 (Mandrake Linux 9.2 3.3.1-2mdk)) Kernel Linux version 2.4.22-10mdkenterprise
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: FWIW, this exact same problem also existed in 9.1, so it is not a 9.2 regression. well not exactly in 9.1 the problem was only with xfs (module is ~300k) Disagree. I am talking about a vanilla ext2 install of 9.1 - it cannot produce a boot floppy. well you probably hit another bug then, me still thinks that the kernel bloat started month or two ago, but i could be of course wrong what does your 9.1 install tells for ls -l /boot/vmlinuz*` svetljo -- NEU FÜR ALLE - GMX MediaCenter - für Fotos, Musik, Dateien... Fotoalbum, File Sharing, MMS, Multimedia-Gruß, GMX FotoService Jetzt kostenlos anmelden unter http://www.gmx.net +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More! +++
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Ron Stodden wrote: Buchan Milne wrote: Using the rescue mode of CD1 remains the only way to recover from an unbootable (lilo, grub, XOSL, etc.) system. hd or network installed systems do not have any CDs, nor can they be made with mkcd on an unbootable system. Catch 22? Pray tell us where that is so unmissably documented that I must have missed it ... No mention of a ¨rescue¨ operation appears anywhere in the Info (F1) or Advanced Info (F2) on a hd.img floppy. Methinks you should take another look at help.msg (F1) on your hd.img floppy. Welcome to Mandrake Linux install help In most cases, the best way to get started is to simply press the Enter key. If you experience problems with standard install, try one of the following install types (type the highlighted text and press Enter): o vgalo for low resolution graphical installation. o text for text installation instead of the graphical one. o linux for standard graphical installation at normal resolution. o expert for expert graphical installation at normal resolution. To use this CD to repair an already installed system type rescue followed by Enter. You can also pass some specific kernel options to the Linux kernel. For example, try linux mem=128M if your system has 128Mb of RAM but the kernel does not detect it correctly. NOTE: You cannot pass options to modules (SCSI, ethernet card) or devices such as CD-ROM drives in this way. If you need to do so, use expert mode. [F1-Help] [F2-Advanced Help] [F3-Main] 'Tis not exactly how/where I would expect to see it, but rescue IS there. I used it less than a month ago for 9.1. OTOH, not being able to make a standard boot floppy is a serious handicap to those who for whatever reason can't or don't boot from the HD, and don't have CDRW or don't want to boot from CD each time. I see a 'kernel memory freed' statement of nearly 200K on every boot. It seems there ought to be a streamlined way to compile a kernel that would not produce that result, with the result that a boot floppy could easily be produced to fit in 1440K space. -- The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom Proverbs 9:10 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Felix Miata wrote: OTOH, not being able to make a standard boot floppy is a serious handicap to those who for whatever reason can't or don't boot from the HD, and don't have CDRW or don't want to boot from CD each time. Hmm, IMHO better to ensure that they can boot from the HD. If there are still any guides about linux suggesting not to install the bootloader on the HD, let's go and trash them. When was the last time you booted a normal machine off a floppy (ie in normal operation). Have you *ever* done this for windows? I see a 'kernel memory freed' statement of nearly 200K on every boot. initrd image. It seems there ought to be a streamlined way to compile a kernel that would not produce that result, with the result that a boot floppy could easily be produced to fit in 1440K space. $ du -k /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-9mdk 1320/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-9mdk 120k is not a lot ... Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/kDx7rJK6UGDSBKcRAm7cAJ4mSyRYpr1yRaZPGjuZILrNQswlgACffWQZ n4e1ms2yqMpOIyl+RGoCDCU= =cyT2 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 14:46, Ron Stodden wrote: Buchan Milne wrote: Of course, it would be nice to have it working by default, but Ron always goes overboard on his small niggles in the first two weeks of a release (he could have tested this in the beta series of course ...). Not so. I periodically tested the cooker tree for the ability to create a good install and a running Mandrake. Results: Effectively it never does - no, not once! - and this includes through the times that the ISO betas and release candidates were available. So there is no choice but to abandon beta testing for people without the bandwidth to download CD images. The CDs are constructed incomplete anyway because of space limitations, therefore not worthy objects to test.Stick with the trees, please. Huh? What the heck does any of this have to do with the installer being able, or not able, to produce a boot floppy? -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: what does your 9.1 install tells for ls -l /boot/vmlinuz*` My 9.1 is my lowest numbered Linux partition, so it has the job of lilo-booting everything. I install a Linux to use its own partition as lilo boot manager. Since this approach neglects the requirement to also boot other linux partitions (serious oversight by the Mandrake installer, IMHO) I then have to laboriously copy the new lilo stanzas and all the necessary booting stuff to that partition, remove all the symbolic links, and call each component by its full name.That is why there are so many vmlinuzs and no symlinks (you will see I missed two g). [EMAIL PROTECTED] boot]$ ls -l vmlinuz* -rw-r--r--1 root root 1261861 Jun 5 05:29 vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.18mdk -rw-r--r--1 root root 667524 Jun 5 01:46 vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.18mdkBOOT -rw-r--r--1 root root 1298162 Jun 5 04:36 vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.18mdkenterprise -rw-r--r--1 root root 1334524 Jun 5 03:41 vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.18mdksecure -rw-r--r--1 root root 1263795 Jul 25 06:02 vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.25mdk -rw-r--r--1 root root 667703 Jul 25 02:18 vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.25mdkBOOT -rw-r--r--1 root root 1298525 Jul 25 05:08 vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.25mdkenterprise -rw-r--r--1 root root 1334773 Jul 25 04:13 vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.25mdksecure -rw-r--r--1 root root 1343803 Sep 18 20:43 vmlinuz-2.4.22-10mdk -rw-r--r--1 root root 1337954 Aug 26 01:47 vmlinuz-2.4.22-1mdk lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 26 Sep 29 10:47 vmlinuz-BOOT - vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.18mdkBOOT lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 32 Oct 7 20:54 vmlinuz-enterprise - vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.18mdkenterprise lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 28 Sep 29 10:47 vmlinuz-secure - vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.18mdksecure [EMAIL PROTECTED] boot]$ -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Click all ye faithful!
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
Buchan Milne wrote: Felix Miata wrote: OTOH, not being able to make a standard boot floppy is a serious handicap to those who for whatever reason can't or don't boot from the HD, and don't have CDRW or don't want to boot from CD each time. Hmm, IMHO better to ensure that they can boot from the HD. If there are still any guides about linux suggesting not to install the bootloader on the HD, let's go and trash them. All well and good for geeks, but not so hot for the less adept multibooters who fix their broken windoze by reinstalling some version of M$'s OS, thus losing ready access to Linux, since such people need be lead by the hand to do a rescue boot repair. When was the last time you booted a normal machine off a floppy (ie in normal operation). Have you *ever* done this for windows? I don't routinely use windoze, but that's irrelevant. I think I performed that exercise once very long ago just to prove the concept. OTOH, until Mandrake quit including making a boot floppy during install, booting from the new floppy was always the first thing I did after a Linux install. If you need boot regularly, HD boot is pretty convenient. OTOH, with a boot floppy, you're confident being able to reach Linux easily even after windoze disaster, or even Linux installation disaster, when adding an additional distro elsewhere on the system and the new goes haywire, ruining access to the previous. I see a 'kernel memory freed' statement of nearly 200K on every boot. initrd image. It seems there ought to be a streamlined way to compile a kernel that would not produce that result, with the result that a boot floppy could easily be produced to fit in 1440K space. $ du -k /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-9mdk 1320/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-9mdk 120k is not a lot ... In the context of legacy boot media, 120K is a lot, easily the difference between a floppy that boots and one that doesn't. Why so much kernel and initrd swell of late? RedHat 6.2 407607 Mar 31 2000 initrd-2.2.14-5.0.img 640052 Mar 7 2000 vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0 1047659 Mandrake 7.1 425011 Sep 20 2000 initrd-2.2.15-4mdk.img 677157 May 10 2000 vmlinuz-2.2.15-4mdk 1102168 Corel 1.1 1033812 Sep 14 2000 vmlinuz-2.2.14 1033812 Caldera 3.1 466584 Oct 15 2001 initrd-2.4.2.gz 744522 Apr 21 2001 vmlinuz-2.4.2 1211106 Mandrake 8.1 2001 initrd-2.4.8-26mdk.img 1047752 Sep 23 2001 vmlinuz-2.4.8-26mdk Caldera 3.1.1 483937 Apr 4 2002 initrd-2.4.13.gz 83 Dec 13 2001 vmlinuz-2.4.13 1261720 Mandrake 8.2 2002 initrd-2.4.18-6mdk.img 887614 Mar 14 2002 vmlinuz-2.4.18-6mdk RedHat 7.3 159579 Sep 24 2002 initrd-2.4.18-3.img 1041347 Apr 18 2002 vmlinuz-2.4.18-3 1200926 Mandrake 9.0 138691 Sep 30 2002 initrd-2.4.19-16mdk.img 880346 Sep 20 2002 vmlinuz-2.4.19-16mdk 1019037 RedHat 9.0 183942 Aug 24 23:08 initrd-2.4.20-8.img 1096436 Mar 13 2003 vmlinuz-2.4.20-8 1280378 Mandrake 9.1 137973 Jul 30 17:47 initrd-2.4.21-0.13mdk.img 1252778 Mar 14 2003 vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.13mdk 1390751 SuSE 8.2 (from boot floppy) 194034 Apr 24 10:20 bootlogo* 1173985 Apr 24 10:20 linux* 1368019 Mandrake 9.1 127509 Jul 30 17:48 initrd-2.4.21-0.25mdk.img 1263795 Jul 24 16:02 vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.25mdk 1391304 Mandrake 9.2 414616 Sep 22 12:46 initrd-2.4.22-10mdk.img 1343803 Sep 18 06:43 vmlinuz-2.4.22-10mdk 1758419 -- The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom Proverbs 9:10 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
On Fri Oct 17 22:22 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: Why so much kernel and initrd swell of late? Because there's more hardware out there than there was a few years ago and if MDKSoft decides that a certain IDE controller isn't common enough to justify taking up rescue and kernel space, some nut comes out of the woodwork wishing dire curses on MandrakeSoft and its employees, plus their first-born children. -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wait till next year... Let's Go RED SOX! Linux 2.4.22-8mdk 00:25:00 up 12:09, 6 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
