Re: Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
Alan wrote: If Jamie or other distributions don't care, fine.. But we DO care, we don't want to get sued.. That is why xmatrix was removed and there is no plan to put it back (except if you get a royalted free license for commercial distribution of xmatrix from The Matrix artwork authors..) Not that I care what you do, but I assure you that nobody's work is being used but my own. I created all of those images myself, in GIMP. If you think someone owns the idea of backwards green kanji text, you're on crack. Whatever. -- Jamie Zawinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jwz.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dnalounge.com/
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
J.A. Magallon wrote: On 2002.04.24 Geoffrey Lee wrote: of The Matrix artwork ? If Jamie or other distributions don't care, fine.. But we DO care, we don't want to get sued.. That is why xmatrix was removed and there is no plan to put it back (except if you get a royalted free license for commercial distribution of xmatrix from The Matrix artwork authors..) I don't tink this people pay any royalties (matrix ss for MacOSX): Probably, or probably not. But we can't risk our asses just because we *think* that it's ok to use xmatrix without some sort of licensing. I'm sure that was what I felt when I removed it. Anyways, I think you do the correct thing. Perhaps a candidate for PLF site ? Or even that could be dangerous ? How about actually asking for permission the copyright owners? Since they distribute their own screensavers for free, I don't think they would be against, since it's a kind of promotion for free. And the problem would be solved.
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On Wednesday 24 April 2002 06:12 am, Frederic Crozat wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:02:25 +0200, Geoffrey Lee wrote: /* snip */ UNIX? Anyway, why don't you ask Geoffrey Lee why he removed the xmatrix hack. From rpm -q --changelog xscreensaver: * Don Feb 15 2001 Geoffrey Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.28-3mdk - Remove the xmatrix screensaver as there are copyright problems. Oh my gosh. I was the one who removed it? That was about a year ago, I'm aware that it was removed but I didn't know that it was me ... :-) If you are asking my brain for details now, it's pretty sketchy. I think I got an alert from someone that we might have potential problems with the xmatrix screensaver, and convinced me to remove it. Guys, wake up.. Is it really hard to understand that xmatrix is really a non-licensed use of The Matrix artwork ? What artwork? I did not understand you can copyright the look of a screen. If that is the case, then you better remove lament because it is taken directly from the Hellraiser movies and starwars because it is taken from the opening credits of the Star Wars films. If Jamie or other distributions don't care, fine.. But we DO care, we don't want to get sued.. That is why xmatrix was removed and there is no plan to put it back (except if you get a royalted free license for commercial distribution of xmatrix from The Matrix artwork authors..) There is no artwork involved. it is a character set. I think you guys are overracting.
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:31:39 +0200, Alan wrote: On Wednesday 24 April 2002 06:12 am, Frederic Crozat wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:02:25 +0200, Geoffrey Lee wrote: /* snip */ UNIX? Anyway, why don't you ask Geoffrey Lee why he removed the xmatrix hack. From rpm -q --changelog xscreensaver: * Don Feb 15 2001 Geoffrey Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.28-3mdk - Remove the xmatrix screensaver as there are copyright problems. Oh my gosh. I was the one who removed it? That was about a year ago, I'm aware that it was removed but I didn't know that it was me ... :-) If you are asking my brain for details now, it's pretty sketchy. I think I got an alert from someone that we might have potential problems with the xmatrix screensaver, and convinced me to remove it. Guys, wake up.. Is it really hard to understand that xmatrix is really a non-licensed use of The Matrix artwork ? What artwork? I did not understand you can copyright the look of a screen. If that is the case, then you better remove lament because it is taken directly from the Hellraiser movies and starwars because it is taken from the opening credits of the Star Wars films. If Jamie or other distributions don't care, fine.. But we DO care, we don't want to get sued.. That is why xmatrix was removed and there is no plan to put it back (except if you get a royalted free license for commercial distribution of xmatrix from The Matrix artwork authors..) There is no artwork involved. it is a character set. I think you guys are overracting. No, I think you are overreacting.. -- Frédéric Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
Ok, That screesaver is gone... someone took it out to protect Mandrake. Moderator, Please Kill this Thread! Enough already! Patrick Frederic Crozat wrote: On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:31:39 +0200, Alan wrote: On Wednesday 24 April 2002 06:12 am, Frederic Crozat wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:02:25 +0200, Geoffrey Lee wrote: /* snip */ UNIX? Anyway, why don't you ask Geoffrey Lee why he removed the xmatrix hack. From rpm -q --changelog xscreensaver: * Don Feb 15 2001 Geoffrey Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.28-3mdk - Remove the xmatrix screensaver as there are copyright problems. Oh my gosh. I was the one who removed it? That was about a year ago, I'm aware that it was removed but I didn't know that it was me ... :-) If you are asking my brain for details now, it's pretty sketchy. I think I got an alert from someone that we might have potential problems with the xmatrix screensaver, and convinced me to remove it. Guys, wake up.. Is it really hard to understand that xmatrix is really a non-licensed use of The Matrix artwork ? What artwork? I did not understand you can copyright the look of a screen. If that is the case, then you better remove lament because it is taken directly from the Hellraiser movies and starwars because it is taken from the opening credits of the Star Wars films. If Jamie or other distributions don't care, fine.. But we DO care, we don't want to get sued.. That is why xmatrix was removed and there is no plan to put it back (except if you get a royalted free license for commercial distribution of xmatrix from The Matrix artwork authors..) There is no artwork involved. it is a character set. I think you guys are overracting. No, I think you are overreacting..
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On Thursday 25 April 2002 14:31, Alan wrote: There is no artwork involved. it is a character set. I think you guys are overracting. I don't. Although the risk of being sued is negligible, the *damage* that would ensue (basically, Mandrake goes under) is extreme enough to make the choice uneconomical. Since the StarWars and Lament screensavers have existed for many years and not been commented on, I think it would be fairly simple and cheap to argue that any copyright (ownership rights of any sort) had not been enforced, so the plaintiffs themselves have created the impression that there was no copyright. The SW screensaver is SW-shaped but does not have SW words in it. It is easy to differentiate between it and StarWars per se. Not so the Matrix one. In Australia, the case is likely a little different from the USA or France. I am explicitly permitted to reverse-engineer, and WB have not produced a Matrix screensaver which will run on my computer. As you can see from my previous post, I;ve started the ball rolling in a gentle, subtle manner so that xmatrix or a close derivative may yet be included in a Mandrake distro with WB's blessing, or at least with an explicit promise of inaction. Cheers; Leon Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
I think you guys are overracting. I don't. Although the risk of being sued is negligible, the *damage* that would ensue (basically, Mandrake goes under) is extreme enough to make the choice uneconomical. I don't either. From what I hear WB are complete bastards. Last I knew they (WB) were harassing matrix fan web-sites for material that _they_ _don't_ _own_ (speculation, fan stories, etc.) -Jason = TO CHANGE THE FATE OF ONE INDIVIDUAL IS TO CHANGE THE WORLD. I REMEMBER THAT. SO SHOULD YOU. Death still hadn't turned to face her. 'I don't see why we shouldn't change things if it makes the world better,' said Susan. HAH. 'Are you too scared to change the world?' Death turned. The very sight of his expression made Susan back away. He advanced slowly towards her. His voice, when it came, was a hiss. YOU SAY THAT TO ME? YOU STAND THERE IN YOUR PRETTY DRESS AND SAY THAT TO ME? YOU? YOU PRATTLE ON ABOUT CHANGING THE WORLD? COULD YOU FIND THE COURAGE TO ACCEPT IT? TO KNOW WHAT MUST BE DONE AND DO IT, WHATEVER THE COST? IS THERE ONE HUMAN BEING ANYWHERE WHO KNOWS WHAT DUTY MEANS? (Soul Music)
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
Am Dienstag, 23. April 2002, 18:51:29 Uhr MET, schrieb Alan: [xmatrix] My question is why it is not included in the *standard* distribution. NO other distribution turns off xmatrix in their binary packages. (At least none that Jamie Zawinski has ever heard of. And he whote it!) Here is what jamie Zawinski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said about the matter: No, they're being paranoid bozos. No other distro has complained about it, and I've never heard anyone mention it before. If there was a copyright problem or some other legal issue with xmatrix, you would think that the AUTHd heard about it by now. BTW, there is a PC and Windows version of the Matrix screensaver distributed through the official Matrix movie web site. (XMatrix is better though...) That's true, I don't thinks it should be a problem. But maybe the lawyers just haven't heard of xscreensaver, or do you know a lawyer who understands UNIX? Anyway, why don't you ask Geoffrey Lee why he removed the xmatrix hack. From rpm -q --changelog xscreensaver: * Don Feb 15 2001 Geoffrey Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.28-3mdk - Remove the xmatrix screensaver as there are copyright problems. CU -- Götz Waschk student of computer science university Rostock http://wwwstud.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/waschk.asc for PGP key -- Logout Fascism! --
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
/* snip */ UNIX? Anyway, why don't you ask Geoffrey Lee why he removed the xmatrix hack. From rpm -q --changelog xscreensaver: * Don Feb 15 2001 Geoffrey Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.28-3mdk - Remove the xmatrix screensaver as there are copyright problems. Oh my gosh. I was the one who removed it? That was about a year ago, I'm aware that it was removed but I didn't know that it was me ... :-) If you are asking my brain for details now, it's pretty sketchy. I think I got an alert from someone that we might have potential problems with the xmatrix screensaver, and convinced me to remove it. -- Geoff.
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:02:25 +0200, Geoffrey Lee wrote: /* snip */ UNIX? Anyway, why don't you ask Geoffrey Lee why he removed the xmatrix hack. From rpm -q --changelog xscreensaver: * Don Feb 15 2001 Geoffrey Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.28-3mdk - Remove the xmatrix screensaver as there are copyright problems. Oh my gosh. I was the one who removed it? That was about a year ago, I'm aware that it was removed but I didn't know that it was me ... :-) If you are asking my brain for details now, it's pretty sketchy. I think I got an alert from someone that we might have potential problems with the xmatrix screensaver, and convinced me to remove it. Guys, wake up.. Is it really hard to understand that xmatrix is really a non-licensed use of The Matrix artwork ? If Jamie or other distributions don't care, fine.. But we DO care, we don't want to get sued.. That is why xmatrix was removed and there is no plan to put it back (except if you get a royalted free license for commercial distribution of xmatrix from The Matrix artwork authors..) -- Frédéric Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On 2002.04.24 Frederic Crozat wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:02:25 +0200, Geoffrey Lee wrote: /* snip */ UNIX? Anyway, why don't you ask Geoffrey Lee why he removed the xmatrix hack. From rpm -q --changelog xscreensaver: * Don Feb 15 2001 Geoffrey Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.28-3mdk - Remove the xmatrix screensaver as there are copyright problems. Oh my gosh. I was the one who removed it? That was about a year ago, I'm aware that it was removed but I didn't know that it was me ... :-) If you are asking my brain for details now, it's pretty sketchy. I think I got an alert from someone that we might have potential problems with the xmatrix screensaver, and convinced me to remove it. Guys, wake up.. Is it really hard to understand that xmatrix is really a non-licensed use of The Matrix artwork ? If Jamie or other distributions don't care, fine.. But we DO care, we don't want to get sued.. That is why xmatrix was removed and there is no plan to put it back (except if you get a royalted free license for commercial distribution of xmatrix from The Matrix artwork authors..) I don't tink this people pay any royalties (matrix ss for MacOSX): http://illuminex.com/software.html#Screensavers (if you don't see it, reverse-spell xirtam) -- J.A. Magallon # Let the source be with you... mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mandrake Linux release 8.3 (Cooker) for i586 Linux werewolf 2.4.19-pre7-jam6 #4 SMP mar abr 23 23:49:41 CEST 2002 i686
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
of The Matrix artwork ? If Jamie or other distributions don't care, fine.. But we DO care, we don't want to get sued.. That is why xmatrix was removed and there is no plan to put it back (except if you get a royalted free license for commercial distribution of xmatrix from The Matrix artwork authors..) I don't tink this people pay any royalties (matrix ss for MacOSX): Probably, or probably not. But we can't risk our asses just because we *think* that it's ok to use xmatrix without some sort of licensing. I'm sure that was what I felt when I removed it. -- Geoff.
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On Wednesday 24 April 2002 09:51 am, Geoffrey Lee wrote: Probably, or probably not. But we can't risk our asses just because we *think* that it's ok to use xmatrix without some sort of licensing. I'm sure that was what I felt when I removed it. Isn't knowing better than guessing? Someone who is interested and motivated should document it for Mandrake so there will be no doubt as to the legalities involved. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com All the Hoyt You'll Ever Need.
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On Wed Apr 24 23:51 +1000, Geoffrey Lee wrote: Probably, or probably not. But we can't risk our asses just because we *think* that it's ok to use xmatrix without some sort of licensing. I'm sure that was what I felt when I removed it. Exactly. If Mandrake gets sued by the entertainment industry (who spend huge amounts on lawyers) Mandrake will go under. Not could, but will. -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] When it comes down to desperation, You make the best of your situation. Linux 2.4.18-11mdk 10:01am up 2 days, 11:57, 6 users, load average: 0.45, 0.28, 0.20
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Levi Ramsey wrote: On Wed Apr 24 23:51 +1000, Geoffrey Lee wrote: Probably, or probably not. But we can't risk our asses just because we *think* that it's ok to use xmatrix without some sort of licensing. I'm sure that was what I felt when I removed it. Exactly. If Mandrake gets sued by the entertainment industry (who spend huge amounts on lawyers) Mandrake will go under. Not could, but will. Well, instead of speculating, it's maybe time to actually consult a lawyer for this type of issues. This kind of discussion will occur more often as media companies tend to sit on their property, or what they think should be their property. Companies which do their legal homework will eventually get an edge over the ones that drastically avoid difficult issues out of fear to be sued to oblivion. This doesn't mean I don't believe Geoff made a wise decision (see below) but it should not be his decision in the first place. Some day, something will escape scrutiny and slip through. Anyway, IANAL(*) but AFAIK copyright is about copying (in terms of reproduction) the original, not about mimicking it as long as you don't pretend to represent the original. So xmatrix is actually a bad choice of name (but if the coders can show that they didn't steal the patterns from some video sequence and withdraw any direct reference to The Matrix motion picture, which makes it less attractive of course, it should be save). Guy Bormann PS: (*), i.e. visit one and don't base any decisions on my words. IANAL! :-)
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On 2002.04.24 Geoffrey Lee wrote: of The Matrix artwork ? If Jamie or other distributions don't care, fine.. But we DO care, we don't want to get sued.. That is why xmatrix was removed and there is no plan to put it back (except if you get a royalted free license for commercial distribution of xmatrix from The Matrix artwork authors..) I don't tink this people pay any royalties (matrix ss for MacOSX): Probably, or probably not. But we can't risk our asses just because we *think* that it's ok to use xmatrix without some sort of licensing. I'm sure that was what I felt when I removed it. Anyways, I think you do the correct thing. Perhaps a candidate for PLF site ? Or even that could be dangerous ? -- J.A. Magallon # Let the source be with you... mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mandrake Linux release 8.3 (Cooker) for i586 Linux werewolf 2.4.19-pre7-jam6 #4 SMP mar abr 23 23:49:41 CEST 2002 i686
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 06:39:39PM +0200, Guy.Bormann wrote: Well, instead of speculating, it's maybe time to actually consult a lawyer for this type of issues. This kind of discussion will occur more often as media companies tend to sit on their property, or what they think should be their property. Companies which do their legal homework will eventually get an edge over the ones that drastically avoid difficult issues out of fear to be sued to oblivion. This doesn't mean I don't believe Geoff made a wise decision (see below) but it should not be his decision in the first place. Some day, something will escape scrutiny and slip through. I don't see how not including it in the first place is protecting them anyway. They are distributing the source in their SRPMS anyway. So if the issue is the images, the images are on their mirrors and on the source cds. Not building the binary doesn't get them out of the copyright issue if there is one. There are only two truly legal solutions out of this: a) Don't ship xscreensaver. b) Fork it and remove xmatrix entirely, don't even include it in the sources. This comes back to the same issue with the SRPMS for openssl that you could rebuild with a higher level of encryption. If it's still in the source and you distribut the source building a different binary doesn't matter. -- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ben.reser.org What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy? - Ghandi
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On Wednesday 24 April 2002 21:12, Frederic Crozat wrote: Is it really hard to understand that xmatrix is really a non-licensed use of The Matrix artwork ? If Jamie or other distributions don't care, fine.. But we DO care, we don't want to get sued.. That is why xmatrix was removed and there is no plan to put it back (except if you get a royalted free license for commercial distribution of xmatrix from The Matrix artwork authors..) xmatrix comes in the Texstar KDE3 RPMS as a .kss; it might also be in the Mandrake KDE3 RPM-set, I haven't checked. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
spend huge amounts on lawyers) Mandrake will go under. Not could, but will. Well, instead of speculating, it's maybe time to actually consult a lawyer for this type of issues. This kind of discussion will occur more often as media companies tend to sit on their property, or what they think should be their property. Companies which do their legal homework will eventually get an edge over the ones that drastically avoid difficult issues out of fear to be sued to oblivion. This doesn't mean I don't believe Geoff made a wise decision (see below) but it should not be his decision in the first place. Some day, something will escape scrutiny and slip through. Putting it knowing that it should be legal to do so does not mean that we do not risk getting sued. (And that's *assuming* that it's really legal to do so). If someone can secure some sort of licensing for xmatrix then sure we'd be glad to put it in, otherwise, it's going to be kept out of the package. I'm sorry we have to be harsh about this but that's the way it is, we can't really afford to get into legal trouble. -- Geoff.
[Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
In looking at the spec file for xscreensaver I notice that xmatrix and extrusion are set not to build. extrusion I can understand because it requires a specialized GL extrusion library. Why is xmatrix disabled? If it is copyright nonsense, then lament should not be there either.
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: In looking at the spec file for xscreensaver I notice that xmatrix and extrusion are set not to build. extrusion I can understand because it requires a specialized GL extrusion library. As a matter of fact, the gle library is in cooker too. Abel Why is xmatrix disabled? If it is copyright nonsense, then lament should not be there either. -- Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 01:25 am, R.I.P. Deaddog wrote: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: In looking at the spec file for xscreensaver I notice that xmatrix and extrusion are set not to build. extrusion I can understand because it requires a specialized GL extrusion library. As a matter of fact, the gle library is in cooker too. OK... Then why are either disabled?
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: In looking at the spec file for xscreensaver I notice that xmatrix and extrusion are set not to build. extrusion I can understand because it requires a specialized GL extrusion library. As a matter of fact, the gle library is in cooker too. OK... Then why are either disabled? xmatrix: of course it's the stupid copyright extrusion: gle is in contrib (and things on main distro shouldn't depend on contrib stuff), and gle is not used by anything else for now. Perhaps adding a toggle on xscreensaver RPM is a good thing. But xscreensaver may have some bigger change (choose either the official xscreensaver or gnome-branched one), so it's for fcrozat to consider it... -- Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 01:36 am, R.I.P. Deaddog wrote: On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: In looking at the spec file for xscreensaver I notice that xmatrix and extrusion are set not to build. extrusion I can understand because it requires a specialized GL extrusion library. As a matter of fact, the gle library is in cooker too. OK... Then why are either disabled? xmatrix: of course it's the stupid copyright If this is correct, then someone is stretching copyright paranoia a little too far. Are there any other distributions that disable this one? Why are there other undisabled screensavers based on films? (Starwars and lament, for example.) extrusion: gle is in contrib (and things on main distro shouldn't depend on contrib stuff), and gle is not used by anything else for now. Perhaps adding a toggle on xscreensaver RPM is a good thing. But xscreensaver may have some bigger change (choose either the official xscreensaver or gnome-branched one), so it's for fcrozat to consider it... Or just add a xscreensaver-extrusion rpm in contrib.
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: xmatrix: of course it's the stupid copyright If this is correct, then someone is stretching copyright paranoia a little too far. During the old days, it's pretty dangerous. When things settle down, people tend to ignore it. But if it's brought out again, then you're doomed. Are there any other distributions that disable this one? Dunno. Why are there other undisabled screensavers based on films? (Starwars and lament, for example.) Not sure, have to ask mdksoft people here. extrusion: gle is in contrib (and things on main distro shouldn't depend on contrib stuff), and gle is not used by anything else for now. Perhaps adding a toggle on xscreensaver RPM is a good thing. But xscreensaver may have some bigger change (choose either the official xscreensaver or gnome-branched one), so it's for fcrozat to consider it... Or just add a xscreensaver-extrusion rpm in contrib. I'd guess it's quite impossible here, due to complications in compiling it, but not 100% sure (haven't checked it). -- Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
Am Dienstag, 23. April 2002, 17:10:08 Uhr MET, schrieb R.I.P. Deaddog: On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: extrusion: gle is in contrib (and things on main distro shouldn't depend on contrib stuff), and gle is not used by anything else for now. Perhaps adding a toggle on xscreensaver RPM is a good thing. But xscreensaver may have some bigger change (choose either the official xscreensaver or gnome-branched one), so it's for fcrozat to consider it... Why hasn't anyone of you looked at the spec file of latest xscreensaver? There's an option to enable extrusion and xmatix at build time. Try something like --with xmatrix --with extrusion and it will work. -- Götz Waschk student of computer science university Rostock http://wwwstud.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/waschk.asc for PGP key -- Logout Fascism! --
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Goetz Waschk wrote: Am Dienstag, 23. April 2002, 17:10:08 Uhr MET, schrieb R.I.P. Deaddog: On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: extrusion: gle is in contrib (and things on main [...] Why hasn't anyone of you looked at the spec file of latest xscreensaver? There's an option to enable extrusion and xmatix at build time. Try something like --with xmatrix --with extrusion and it will work. Thanks for the pointer. My knowledge is based on pre-4.00 days, so you indicated what I know is outdated. -- Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 02:10 am, R.I.P. Deaddog wrote: On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: xmatrix: of course it's the stupid copyright If this is correct, then someone is stretching copyright paranoia a little too far. During the old days, it's pretty dangerous. When things settle down, people tend to ignore it. But if it's brought out again, then you're doomed. Are there any other distributions that disable this one? Dunno. Why are there other undisabled screensavers based on films? (Starwars and lament, for example.) Not sure, have to ask mdksoft people here. I just don't understand how you can copyrtight the LOOK of a screen saver. It sounds like someone being paranoid as opposed to any real actual threat from lawyers. Has Mandrake gotten lawyer letters over this or are they just being proactive? I would think that thay would have gone after Jamie Zawinski first on this.
Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 04:05 am, Goetz Waschk wrote: Am Dienstag, 23. April 2002, 17:10:08 Uhr MET, schrieb R.I.P. Deaddog: On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: extrusion: gle is in contrib (and things on main distro shouldn't depend on contrib stuff), and gle is not used by anything else for now. Perhaps adding a toggle on xscreensaver RPM is a good thing. But xscreensaver may have some bigger change (choose either the official xscreensaver or gnome-branched one), so it's for fcrozat to consider it... Why hasn't anyone of you looked at the spec file of latest xscreensaver? There's an option to enable extrusion and xmatix at build time. Try something like --with xmatrix --with extrusion and it will work. I know that! My question is why it is not included in the *standard* distribution. NO other distribution turns off xmatrix in their binary packages. (At least none that Jamie Zawinski has ever heard of. And he whote it!) Here is what jamie Zawinski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said about the matter: No, they're being paranoid bozos. No other distro has complained about it, and I've never heard anyone mention it before. If there was a copyright problem or some other legal issue with xmatrix, you would think that the AUTHd heard about it by now. BTW, there is a PC and Windows version of the Matrix screensaver distributed through the official Matrix movie web site. (XMatrix is better though...)
