Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
On Wed Apr 17, 2002 at 03:09:09PM +0200, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: > > > http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html > > > > I'm not entirely sure that DJB is a reliable source when it comes to > > Postfix versus qmail... ;-) > > A good read on DJB stuff: > > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#djb An amusing tirade... I've read it before and found it quite funny. But I'll make some semi-intelligent comments on it anyways. Everything in /var/qmail is ignorant, I agree. I really dislike it.. now djb things everything should be in /packages... he has very odd directory layouts, and I don't understand his reasoning for them. The .qmail- thing... big deal. It's like postfix's .forward file support. fastforward provides the same thing as /etc/aliases or whatever it is in postfix/sendmail (aliases or aliases.conf, can't recall). So it's called .qmail instead of .forward... it's an ego thing maybe, but not *that* big of a deal. djb's license sucks. Plain and simple. His attitude does as well. I know this firsthand, having spoken with him on one occassion (exchanged 3 emails, received 2). But, having said that, the guy is an extremely good programmer... I'll give him credit for that. Finally, the point on using bind9 instead of djbdns is, well, silly. I'd like to see bind9 in production for a year or two with a few heavy audits and some good white hats smashing it to pieces for a bit before I'm ready to switch from something safe and reliable like djbdns to something with a crappy history like bind9 (and I don't for a second believe it was written entirely from scratch either). Besides, Vixie is just as ignorant as djb... aren't most of these same software authors, tho? Can't tell me that Wietse doesn't have an attitude problem at times... I can say that the author of Exim is a pretty darn nice guy tho... =) Anyways, that's my $0.02CAD, and my last post on the thread here. Feel free to discuss qmail with me on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list where it's more or less on-topic... =) -- MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/ "lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg --import" 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6mdk uptime: 4 days 13 hours 5 minutes. msg62978/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
On Wed Apr 17, 2002 at 01:43:09PM -0400, Levi Ramsey wrote: [...] > > Heh, I that all you can do? Well it wasn't worth the 400k download. > > Why do anti dbj people always depend on hate and lies when they try to > > make a point. This is so totally uncool. > > DJB, from what I've seen, seems to slander postfix (and bind) on a > regular basis. Well said. But at least he has a good reason for bashing bind... =) postfix, while not my favourite, isn't hated by me... I just don't like it that much. 'nuff said. But the postfix/qmail thing swings both ways... postfix "people" tend to be very anti-qmail, and vice versa. You almost never hear people in either camps bash sendmail or exim. Strange, no? They take after the authors I guess. > The qmail vs. postfix debate seems to, ultimately, boil down to an > endless "Am not!" "Are too!" flame war. It's a holy war at the level > of emacs vs. vi, KDE vs. GNOME, GPL vs. BSD License, etc. > > AFAIC, the bottom line is: if you like qmail, use qmail; if you like > postfix, use postfix. Simple as that. Amen to that! -- MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/ "lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg --import" 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6mdk uptime: 4 days 12 hours 53 minutes. msg62977/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
On Tue Apr 16, 2002 at 11:59:03PM -0400, Levi Ramsey wrote: > > Not trying to start a flame war I would really like to find a good mta > > and that doesn't include sendmail. > > > > First I would like to know if this vulnerability still exists or if it > > has been fixed in mandrake? > > > > http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html > > I'm not entirely sure that DJB is a reliable source when it comes to > Postfix versus qmail... ;-) Likewise with Wietse... The two rather enjoy poking each other's buttons I think. =) If you look on the postfix site, I think there are some anti-qmail sentiments as well (including a so-called security issue in qmail that has nothing at all to do with qmail, and was only raised because postfix's author didn't bother to do any homework). -- MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/ "lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg --import" 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6mdk uptime: 4 days 12 hours 49 minutes. msg62976/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 06:27:33PM +0200, Han wrote: > So why can't you respect my choice. Why do you have to post this link. > Why don't you stick to the facts? What do you think it solves? Who do > you think you expose. > > You are filled with hatred. Why? How do you figure posting a link with reasoned out arguments (some of which even include proof of their validity) is about hatred? Every single time anyone has ever said something negative about qmail, true or not. You have termed the person as being filled with hatred (not necessarily in so many words but certainly in actions). Have you considered the possiblity that some people just disagree with you? That it has nothing to do with hating or loving qmail or djb. That it's a mere opinion and not some personal afront to you and your *CHOICE*? -- Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://ben.reser.org What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy? - Ghandi
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
Han <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > That's pure fud. You haven't contradicted the facts stated in the link > > I've mentioned, thus until you do so, _I_ consider your asserts > > hate/lies/"unmotified opinion". > > Even though I _may_ know some things I have chosen not to mention > anything bad about mailservers I don't use. Simply because people should > have a free choice and postfix , qmail, sendmail and exim simply work > and have been used by lots of people. They can't be that bad. On the opposite, technical ML's are here so that people can express technically motivated opinions to teach things to others and have a discussion on technical merits. > If you ask me why I use qmail, I will say the securitty is really good, > not a single exploit in 4 years, easy to configure and really fast and > really small ( 200K for all sources ). Sounds good technical points. > If somebody ask me why I don't use another one I say I don't know them > so well. Right. > So why can't you respect my choice. Why do you have to post this link. I respect your choice, there is nothing to discuss on this subject. I've: 1- posted a link on DJB, seemingly full of argumented facts 2- been answered by "blah this is hate/lies" without a single argument > Why don't you stick to the facts? What do you think it solves? Who do > you think you expose. > > You are filled with hatred. Why? I don't feel so. You were the first to say that what the link I posted was hate/lies, not me! I simply answered that according to me, _your_ unmotivated points were considered, at least by me, as hate/lies until further arguments be presented (which your message partly do). -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
Guillaume Cottenceau ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Han <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#djb > > > > > > > > Heh, I that all you can do? Well it wasn't worth the 400k > > > > download. Why do anti dbj people always depend on hate and lies > > > > when they try to make a point. This is so totally uncool. > > > > > > DJB, from what I've seen, seems to slander postfix (and bind) on a > > > regular basis. > > > > Well he has it on his page and he doesn't remove it. Even if he is > > right he shouldn't do that. But that is his problem not mine. > > Everywhere I _mention_ the name of djb or qmail I get tons of people > > that give their unmotified opinion about the man and about anything > > else. > > That's pure fud. You haven't contradicted the facts stated in the link > I've mentioned, thus until you do so, _I_ consider your asserts > hate/lies/"unmotified opinion". Even though I _may_ know some things I have chosen not to mention anything bad about mailservers I don't use. Simply because people should have a free choice and postfix , qmail, sendmail and exim simply work and have been used by lots of people. They can't be that bad. If you ask me why I use qmail, I will say the securitty is really good, not a single exploit in 4 years, easy to configure and really fast and really small ( 200K for all sources ). If somebody ask me why I don't use another one I say I don't know them so well. So why can't you respect my choice. Why do you have to post this link. Why don't you stick to the facts? What do you think it solves? Who do you think you expose. You are filled with hatred. Why? Groetjes, Han. -- http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
Han <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#djb > > > > > > Heh, I that all you can do? Well it wasn't worth the 400k download. > > > Why do anti dbj people always depend on hate and lies when they try > > > to make a point. This is so totally uncool. > > > > DJB, from what I've seen, seems to slander postfix (and bind) on a > > regular basis. > > Well he has it on his page and he doesn't remove it. Even if he is right > he shouldn't do that. But that is his problem not mine. Everywhere I > _mention_ the name of djb or qmail I get tons of people that give their > unmotified opinion about the man and about anything else. That's pure fud. You haven't contradicted the facts stated in the link I've mentioned, thus until you do so, _I_ consider your asserts hate/lies/"unmotified opinion". -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
Ben Reser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 09:05:44PM +0200, Han wrote: > > You can't even read three lines. > > Face it Han you just don't like people who have differing opinons than > you. You got pissed off at me in the past because I don't believe that > just because there hasn't been a security issue found that in qmail that > there won't be. So if you feel the need to start insulting me go right > ahead. And if you feel the need to start doing it on cooker go right > ahead I'm sure everyone will be happy to listen to your insults. I never insulted you. Groetjes, Han. -- http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 09:05:44PM +0200, Han wrote: > You can't even read three lines. Face it Han you just don't like people who have differing opinons than you. You got pissed off at me in the past because I don't believe that just because there hasn't been a security issue found that in qmail that there won't be. So if you feel the need to start insulting me go right ahead. And if you feel the need to start doing it on cooker go right ahead I'm sure everyone will be happy to listen to your insults. -- Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://ben.reser.org What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy? - Ghandi
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
On Wednesdayen den 17 April 2002 20.29, Ben Reser wrote: > On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 08:06:12PM +0200, Oden Eriksson wrote: > > On Wednesdayen den 17 April 2002 19.38, Ben Reser wrote: > > > If you didn't read the page how do you know it is hate and lies? > > > And it's not like DJB doesn't go around with a big attitude trying to > > > piss other people off. > > > > This is odd..., either one _loves_ the DJB stuff or _hate_ it and/or > > him..., isn't there a grey zone where constructive things happens where > > one just use the damn thing and never bother again??? Who gives a shit if > > qmail isn't so called FHS compliant, just use it and shut up, or do > > something else... > > a) I didn't say I hated it. > b) I didn't say it wasn't FHS compliant. > c) I'm merly pointing out the hate swings both ways. I merely replied to the vast majority here, not yours. Sorry if it came out that way, I've followed this thread a while without interrupting until now... I strongly suspect most Mandrake employees has had a "-qmail" "-DJB" filter about this for a while now ;) -- Regards // Oden Eriksson
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
Ben Reser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 05:10:38PM +0200, Han wrote: > > Heh, I that all you can do? Well it wasn't worth the 400k download. > > Why do anti dbj people always depend on hate and lies when they try > > to make a point. This is so totally uncool. > > If you didn't read the page how do you know it is hate and lies? And > it's not like DJB doesn't go around with a big attitude trying to piss > other people off. You can't even read three lines. Groetjes, Han. -- http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
Levi Ramsey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed Apr 17 17:10 +0200, Han wrote: > > Guillaume Cottenceau ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > > A good read on DJB stuff: > > > > > > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#djb > > > > Heh, I that all you can do? Well it wasn't worth the 400k download. > > Why do anti dbj people always depend on hate and lies when they try > > to make a point. This is so totally uncool. > > DJB, from what I've seen, seems to slander postfix (and bind) on a > regular basis. Well he has it on his page and he doesn't remove it. Even if he is right he shouldn't do that. But that is his problem not mine. Everywhere I _mention_ the name of djb or qmail I get tons of people that give their unmotified opinion about the man and about anything else. > The qmail vs. postfix debate seems to, ultimately, boil down to an > endless "Am not!" "Are too!" flame war. It's a holy war at the level > of emacs vs. vi, KDE vs. GNOME, GPL vs. BSD License, etc. I have learned my lesson and I refuse on saying anything bad about postfix or sendmail. I respect other peoples opinions about their favourite mta. > AFAIC, the bottom line is: if you like qmail, use qmail; if you like > postfix, use postfix. Simple as that. Hear, hear. Groetjes, Han. -- http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 08:06:12PM +0200, Oden Eriksson wrote: > On Wednesdayen den 17 April 2002 19.38, Ben Reser wrote: > > If you didn't read the page how do you know it is hate and lies? > > And it's not like DJB doesn't go around with a big attitude trying to > > piss other people off. > > This is odd..., either one _loves_ the DJB stuff or _hate_ it and/or him..., > isn't there a grey zone where constructive things happens where one just use > the damn thing and never bother again??? Who gives a shit if qmail isn't so > called FHS compliant, just use it and shut up, or do something else... a) I didn't say I hated it. b) I didn't say it wasn't FHS compliant. c) I'm merly pointing out the hate swings both ways. -- Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://ben.reser.org What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy? - Ghandi
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
Hello Levi, Wednesday, April 17, 2002, 10:43:09 AM, you wrote: > On Wed Apr 17 17:10 +0200, Han wrote: >> Guillaume Cottenceau ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> > Levi Ramsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > >> > > > http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html >> > > >> > > I'm not entirely sure that DJB is a reliable source when it comes to >> > > Postfix versus qmail... ;-) >> > >> > A good read on DJB stuff: >> > >> > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#djb >> >> Heh, I that all you can do? Well it wasn't worth the 400k download. >> Why do anti dbj people always depend on hate and lies when they try to >> make a point. This is so totally uncool. > DJB, from what I've seen, seems to slander postfix (and bind) on a > regular basis. > The qmail vs. postfix debate seems to, ultimately, boil down to an > endless "Am not!" "Are too!" flame war. It's a holy war at the level > of emacs vs. vi, KDE vs. GNOME, GPL vs. BSD License, etc. > AFAIC, the bottom line is: if you like qmail, use qmail; if you like > postfix, use postfix. Simple as that. Sorry about this thread. Personally I don't care whichever one will support what I want to do in a secure way. Up till recently this has been qmail but that is why I'm always looking at others. Qmail is not a bad product but it's license is and it is now getting kind of long in the tooth for supporting current standards unless you want to break the license. So I must evaluate products that meet current needs. -- Best regards, Brookmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
On Wednesdayen den 17 April 2002 19.38, Ben Reser wrote: > On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 05:10:38PM +0200, Han wrote: > > Heh, I that all you can do? Well it wasn't worth the 400k download. > > Why do anti dbj people always depend on hate and lies when they try to > > make a point. This is so totally uncool. > > If you didn't read the page how do you know it is hate and lies? > And it's not like DJB doesn't go around with a big attitude trying to > piss other people off. I didn't want to step on this train, but... This is odd..., either one _loves_ the DJB stuff or _hate_ it and/or him..., isn't there a grey zone where constructive things happens where one just use the damn thing and never bother again??? Who gives a shit if qmail isn't so called FHS compliant, just use it and shut up, or do something else... I use qmail and have done so since 1997 and never had any problems with it or him... I don't care about him at all, I use his software and it's excellent, that's enough for me. -- Regards // Oden Eriksson
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
On Wed Apr 17 17:10 +0200, Han wrote: > Guillaume Cottenceau ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Levi Ramsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html > > > > > > I'm not entirely sure that DJB is a reliable source when it comes to > > > Postfix versus qmail... ;-) > > > > A good read on DJB stuff: > > > > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#djb > > Heh, I that all you can do? Well it wasn't worth the 400k download. > Why do anti dbj people always depend on hate and lies when they try to > make a point. This is so totally uncool. DJB, from what I've seen, seems to slander postfix (and bind) on a regular basis. The qmail vs. postfix debate seems to, ultimately, boil down to an endless "Am not!" "Are too!" flame war. It's a holy war at the level of emacs vs. vi, KDE vs. GNOME, GPL vs. BSD License, etc. AFAIC, the bottom line is: if you like qmail, use qmail; if you like postfix, use postfix. Simple as that. -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] When it comes down to desperation, You make the best of your situation. Linux 2.4.18-6mdk 1:01pm up 2:15, 4 users, load average: 0.09, 0.02, 0.01
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 05:10:38PM +0200, Han wrote: > Heh, I that all you can do? Well it wasn't worth the 400k download. > Why do anti dbj people always depend on hate and lies when they try to > make a point. This is so totally uncool. If you didn't read the page how do you know it is hate and lies? And it's not like DJB doesn't go around with a big attitude trying to piss other people off. -- Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://ben.reser.org What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy? - Ghandi
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
Brook Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > >> http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html > > > I'm not entirely sure that DJB is a reliable source when it comes to > > Postfix versus qmail... ;-) > Right thought of that myself. > > Well I got my test box setup now with postfix (my server is still > running qmail for now), courier-imap ( for it's ssl log in), maildrop, > and spamassassin/vipul's razor. Will probably add more in a few days. I made new postfix (1.1.7) rpms available for testing at http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~yduret the cooker postfix rpm dates from ages. and before uploading i prefer better test. thus if you can test it, i would be very happy. > Would anyone be interested in the spamassassin and razor rpm's? If so > I'll submit them at least they may end up in contribs or something. /contrib/RPMS/spamassassin-2.11-4mdk.i586.rpm but if you have a newer one or a better package, just contrib us as in the past :) > If all goes well with the test box I may submit a few other goodies > also. Thanks for the feedback. thanks for the test. -- Yves Duret [EMAIL PROTECTED] piouk toujours et meme apres !
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
Hello Levi, Tuesday, April 16, 2002, 8:59:03 PM, you wrote: > On Tue Apr 16 19:02 -0700, Brook Humphrey wrote: >> Not trying to start a flame war I would really like to find a good mta >> and that doesn't include sendmail. >> >> First I would like to know if this vulnerability still exists or if it >> has been fixed in mandrake? >> >> http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html > I'm not entirely sure that DJB is a reliable source when it comes to > Postfix versus qmail... ;-) Right thought of that myself. Well I got my test box setup now with postfix (my server is still running qmail for now), courier-imap ( for it's ssl log in), maildrop, and spamassassin/vipul's razor. Will probably add more in a few days. Would anyone be interested in the spamassassin and razor rpm's? If so I'll submit them at least they may end up in contribs or something. If all goes well with the test box I may submit a few other goodies also. Thanks for the feedback. -- Best regards, Brookmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
On Tue Apr 16 19:02 -0700, Brook Humphrey wrote: > Not trying to start a flame war I would really like to find a good mta > and that doesn't include sendmail. > > First I would like to know if this vulnerability still exists or if it > has been fixed in mandrake? > > http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html I'm not entirely sure that DJB is a reliable source when it comes to Postfix versus qmail... ;-) -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] When it comes down to desperation, You make the best of your situation. Linux 2.4.18-6mdk 11:01pm up 6 days, 16:33, 14 users, load average: 5.11, 5.18, 5.16
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 19:51, R.I.P. Deaddog wrote: > On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, civileme wrote: > > > >Not trying to start a flame war I would really like to find a good mta > > >and that doesn't include sendmail. > > > > > >First I would like to know if this vulnerability still exists or if it > > >has been fixed in mandrake? > > > > > >http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html > > > > You will see there that postfix has been fixed on 2-28-2002 and on > > 11-29-2001. We keep up with real exploits, and our security team issues > > fixes. > > > > Normally a question like that would not get an answer on this list. May > > I suggest aubacribiung to a help list like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For even more appropriate list, you can subscribe to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > One other thing I've been around and using mandrake since 5.3 and been on this list since before 6.0 I've been doing cooker since before 6.0. Sorry If I was not looking more like a guru when posting that message and I don't really consider myself one but I've been around awhile at least. I just don't post here all the time as I run a business also. I contribute to mandrake and have contributed rpm's in the past. Most of the time they make it into the distro some time latter. I don't know maybe I'll just shut up now. > -- > Abel Cheung > GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc > > >
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 19:51, R.I.P. Deaddog wrote: > On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, civileme wrote: > > > >Not trying to start a flame war I would really like to find a good mta > > >and that doesn't include sendmail. > > > > > >First I would like to know if this vulnerability still exists or if it > > >has been fixed in mandrake? > > > > > >http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html > > > > You will see there that postfix has been fixed on 2-28-2002 and on > > 11-29-2001. We keep up with real exploits, and our security team issues > > fixes. > > > > Normally a question like that would not get an answer on this list. May > > I suggest aubacribiung to a help list like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For even more appropriate list, you can subscribe to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I'm on both of these already and have been for some time I already know about qmail. I was curious about postfix. > -- > Abel Cheung > GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc > > >
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, civileme wrote: > >Not trying to start a flame war I would really like to find a good mta > >and that doesn't include sendmail. > > > >First I would like to know if this vulnerability still exists or if it > >has been fixed in mandrake? > > > >http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html > > You will see there that postfix has been fixed on 2-28-2002 and on > 11-29-2001. We keep up with real exploits, and our security team issues > fixes. > > Normally a question like that would not get an answer on this list. May > I suggest aubacribiung to a help list like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or > [EMAIL PROTECTED] For even more appropriate list, you can subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 19:24, civileme wrote: > Brook Humphrey wrote: > > >Not trying to start a flame war I would really like to find a good mta > >and that doesn't include sendmail. > > > >First I would like to know if this vulnerability still exists or if it > >has been fixed in mandrake? > > > >http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html > > > > > > > > > http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/security/mdk-updates.php3?dis=8.1 > > You will see there that postfix has been fixed on 2-28-2002 and on > 11-29-2001. We keep up with real exploits, and our security team issues > fixes. > > Normally a question like that would not get an answer on this list. May > I suggest aubacribiung to a help list like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Civileme > Actually Civileme I've been around here longer than you and I remember when you you used to post to the list before mandrake got ahold of you. You have allot of good to say but I don't think you understand my motives in asking this. I run qmail most of the time for quite a few reasons but I recently discovered that postfix will do much the same kinds of things as qmail. I was not surfing the web looking for that web page I was rather looking for info on how to run postfix with maildrop when I ran across this link. One of the main reasons that I run qmail for is security. My thinking on this is that if postfix will do the job without some of the other problems with the qmail djb-ware thing I will use use postfix instead. This is only viable if Postfix can offer everything that qmail currently gives me. I was simply curious and the best place to ask is those that maintain the packages. Not on the expert list I'm not asking how to set anything up just if this as taken care of. I'm so out of touch with anything postfix that I would not even know it you guys considered this a problem or not. Thanks for the reply. > > > >
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
Brook Humphrey wrote: >Not trying to start a flame war I would really like to find a good mta >and that doesn't include sendmail. > >First I would like to know if this vulnerability still exists or if it >has been fixed in mandrake? > >http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html > > > > http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/security/mdk-updates.php3?dis=8.1 You will see there that postfix has been fixed on 2-28-2002 and on 11-29-2001. We keep up with real exploits, and our security team issues fixes. Normally a question like that would not get an answer on this list. May I suggest aubacribiung to a help list like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Civileme