Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] drakxtools-9.2-0.21mdk
Le jeu 31/07/2003 à 17:07, Stew Benedict a écrit : > Finally getting to some of this: > > On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: > > > 3°/ RW erasing > > - at minimum size, the checkbox overlap the "Erase Now" button > > - you say "Check you want to erase you rewritable support (1st session > > )". > > ==> Saying : "Erase the CD-RW each time" is better and ... shorter. > > ==> why only the 1st session ? if I want to erase a CD-RW, I'd rather > > have everything erase and a full erase. > > > > The thought here was a multisession CD. You would be putting more than 1 > backup on the CD, so you would only want to erase when creating the 1st > session. Probably could be made clearer in some way. > > > + Drakbackup -> Manual Configuration -> Where -> Tape : > > > > 2°/ Check/Are you sure pb and possible confusion > > - drakbackup should not says "Are you sure you want to erase your tape > > before ...". It should say : "Erase tape before each backup" [] > > And you check to say yes. It's not a wizard, or if this is a wizard, I > > don't have the impression this is a wizard. > > - drakbackup should not says "Check you want to eject tape after > > backup". > > How does drakbackup is going to figure it out ? In fact it will be > > better to say : "Eject tape after each backup" [] > > I'm not seeing the "Are you sure" text. Translation issue? > In English, it's "Please check if...", written by the previous author. > I agree it could be more succinct. I've hesitated to change text as it > pushes more work to the translators, who generally get upset when we start > changing things late in the game. I'll drop the "Please check" Bad translation from me. I test drakbackup in english and indedd we have only "Please check if you want to"
Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] drakxtools-9.2-0.21mdk
Finally getting to some of this: On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: > 3°/ RW erasing > - at minimum size, the checkbox overlap the "Erase Now" button > - you say "Check you want to erase you rewritable support (1st session > )". > ==> Saying : "Erase the CD-RW each time" is better and ... shorter. > ==> why only the 1st session ? if I want to erase a CD-RW, I'd rather > have everything erase and a full erase. > The thought here was a multisession CD. You would be putting more than 1 backup on the CD, so you would only want to erase when creating the 1st session. Probably could be made clearer in some way. > + Drakbackup -> Manual Configuration -> Where -> Tape : > > 2°/ Check/Are you sure pb and possible confusion > - drakbackup should not says "Are you sure you want to erase your tape > before ...". It should say : "Erase tape before each backup" [] > And you check to say yes. It's not a wizard, or if this is a wizard, I > don't have the impression this is a wizard. > - drakbackup should not says "Check you want to eject tape after > backup". > How does drakbackup is going to figure it out ? In fact it will be > better to say : "Eject tape after each backup" [] I'm not seeing the "Are you sure" text. Translation issue? In English, it's "Please check if...", written by the previous author. I agree it could be more succinct. I've hesitated to change text as it pushes more work to the translators, who generally get upset when we start changing things late in the game. I'll drop the "Please check" > - what does "Check you want to use a non-rewindable device" mean ? > Is drakbackup is going to check that the tape can be rewind or is > drakbackup wil not rewind the tape after the backup and put the otheers > after the last one ? > If second, it should be better to say : "rewind tape after each backup" > [] > Second - will change the verbage. > + Drakbackup -> Manual Configuration -> When : > > 2°/ can we specify the hour of the backup ? > I know that drakbackup use /etc/crond.* [hourly,daily,weekly,monthly], > but should we have the possibility to specify a special hour ? > Not currentl - good idea though. > + Drakbackup -> Manual Configuration -> More Options : > > 1°/ typo in french > utilser <-> Utiliser > > 2°/ lack of help > should have at least a tooltip explaining where are located > .backupignore files. > Still under development. It doesn't work yet, but I was trying to get the text in (see translator comment above). > > + MUG ( Mdk Ui Guideline ) > You have Cancel - Help - ... > It should be Help - Cancel ? > MUG changes applied. Working on other UI issues. -- Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] drakxtools-9.2-0.21mdk
Le ven 25/07/2003 à 12:15, FACORAT Fabrice a écrit : > Le jeu 24/07/2003 à 18:08, Stew Benedict a écrit : > > > > The other business with the 3 buttons for incremental/differential. One > > enables the mode, then the radio buttons select incremental vs > > differential. I thought the text reflected that the last time I looked at > > it, but I'll review it. > > In french I only see incremental backup. It's a french translation pb, I test in english and I can see incremental and differential ( need tooltip explaining what is it and advantages )
Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] drakxtools-9.2-0.21mdk
FACORAT Fabrice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > - drakboot: configured directly gdm & kdm > > > - overlap/hide journal > > journal is still overlap/hide. Under Cancel/Validate you have a big > space. fixed in drakconf-9.2-0.11mdk > > > - boot splash configuration should be move to an another widget > > > and follow the example of boot loader configuration. This will > > > save a lot of space. > > where is boot splash config ? for now it's hidden due to bugs and because of draksplash being buggy and unmaintained (for now) > many message in console when entering boot loader configuration screen : > > "text" member should have been used instead of "label" one at: > interactive::gtk::__ANON__() called from > /usr/lib/libDrakX/interactive/gtk.pm:578 > interactive::gtk::__ANON__() called from > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/MDK/Common/Func.pm:239 > MDK::Common::Func::map_index() called from > /usr/lib/libDrakX/interactive/gtk.pm:578 > interactive::gtk::ask_fromW() called from > /usr/lib/libDrakX/interactive.pm:391 > interactive::ask_from_real() called from > /usr/lib/libDrakX/interactive.pm:379 > interactive::ask_from_() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/any.pm:294 > any::setupBootloader__general() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/any.pm:147 > any::setupBootloader() called from /usr/sbin/drakboot:339 > (eval)() called from /usr/sbin/drakboot:339 > main::lilo_choice() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/ugtk2.pm:878 > ugtk2::main() called from /usr/sbin/drakboot:318 i added warnings so that we do not pack extra label behind checkbox when we've not use the checkbox label. else you can select the empty label of the checkbox which looks ugly. all callers that result in printing this should be fixed > > > - need tooltips explaining boot loader configuration options > > > > that is ? which options do you speak about exactly ? > > compact : you have the explanation during install ( some scsi disk > bla bla bla ) but afterwards if you want to activate it you may not > remember its meaning. > > boot device : explain what does this mean, talking about MBR and > what is hda/hdb/hdc/hdd . A tooltip may be too short > > acpi & apic : not explain what is it, but maybe why we may want to > enable/disable it. added to my todo list
Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] drakxtools-9.2-0.21mdk
Le jeu 24/07/2003 à 18:08, Stew Benedict a écrit : > > The other business with the 3 buttons for incremental/differential. One > enables the mode, then the radio buttons select incremental vs > differential. I thought the text reflected that the last time I looked at > it, but I'll review it. In french I only see incremental backup. If this is sub option, you'd better ident to the right these radio buttons and not put them at the same line so that text can fit in window at minimum size + Drakbackup -> Manual Configuration -> More Options : at minimum size text entry for email hide end of text "send an email after each backup" [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# rpm -q drakxtools drakxtools-9.2-0.23mdk
Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] drakxtools-9.2-0.21mdk
Le jeu 24/07/2003 à 17:53, Thierry Vignaud a écrit : > FACORAT Fabrice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > btw, the help option should better point to mandrake tools help (see > harddrake2, drakconnect, drakbug, or mcc for sample) I'm not so sure ... help should point out indeed to frakhelp ( even it is slow to launch ), but we should have also some tooltips for quick help > so you've to use "help/cancel" order here > > > > - drakboot: configured directly gdm & kdm > > - overlap/hide journal journal is still overlap/hide. Under Cancel/Validate you have a big space. > > - boot splash configuration should be move to an another widget and > > follow the example of boot loader configuration. This will save a lot of > > space. where is boot splash config ? > all of them being already fixed in 9.2-0.22mdk :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# rpm -q drakxtools drakxtools-9.2-0.23mdk many message in console when entering boot loader configuration screen : "text" member should have been used instead of "label" one at: interactive::gtk::__ANON__() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/interactive/gtk.pm:578 interactive::gtk::__ANON__() called from /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/MDK/Common/Func.pm:239 MDK::Common::Func::map_index() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/interactive/gtk.pm:578 interactive::gtk::ask_fromW() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/interactive.pm:391 interactive::ask_from_real() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/interactive.pm:379 interactive::ask_from_() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/any.pm:294 any::setupBootloader__general() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/any.pm:147 any::setupBootloader() called from /usr/sbin/drakboot:339 (eval)() called from /usr/sbin/drakboot:339 main::lilo_choice() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/ugtk2.pm:878 ugtk2::main() called from /usr/sbin/drakboot:318 > > - need tooltips explaining boot loader configuration options > > that is ? which options do you speak about exactly ? compact : you have the explanation during install ( some scsi disk bla bla bla ) but afterwards if you want to activate it you may not remember its meaning. boot device : explain what does this mean, talking about MBR and what is hda/hdb/hdc/hdd . A tooltip may be too short acpi & apic : not explain what is it, but maybe why we may want to enable/disable it.
Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] drakxtools-9.2-0.21mdk
Thierry Vignaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > - drakfont: fix #1679 & #3673 > > > > garbage in file dialog : > > Sélectionnez les polices ou dossiers et cliquez sur « Ajouter » > > ok, will look at it fixed in perl-Gtk2-0.90-5mdk
Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] drakxtools-9.2-0.21mdk
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Thierry Vignaud wrote: > FACORAT Fabrice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > 2°/ lack of help > > I'm a newbie and I select ssh. But what is Expect ( use Expect for ssh ) > > ? adavantage ? how do I use it ? do I have something to configure on the > > client and/or serveur side ? > > ==> need at least a tooltip, or better a help text when you click on > > help button. The same for the others entries. > > btw, the help option should better point to mandrake tools help (see > harddrake2, drakconnect, drakbug, or mcc for sample) > will check it out > > 2°/ non editable combo > > IMHO we should rather have option menus > > (...) > stew, use s/Combo/OptionMenu/ where needed. > i'd added a compatibility infrastructure in ugtk2 for this (in order > to be able to use combo boxes and option menus in the same way in most > place -- also will ease the port to new widgets once libegg one > replace both Combo/OptionMenu in the future) > > for more explanation, look at end of ugtk2 (just above "package > Gtk2::OptionMenu") and at ugtk2 log for r1.141 commit) > will do > yes it should. > > stew, gnome guidelines say we should use "help / cancel /ok " and > "previous / next " order for increased gui consistency > > so you've to use "help/cancel" order here > OK, the last change you made shifting the buttons around drives me crazy, since I need to click on the left on one screen , then the right on the next one to back out, but I'm certainly no UI guru. I'll follow the guidelines. The other business with the 3 buttons for incremental/differential. One enables the mode, then the radio buttons select incremental vs differential. I thought the text reflected that the last time I looked at it, but I'll review it. -- Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] drakxtools-9.2-0.21mdk
Stew Benedict <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > yes it should. > > > > stew, gnome guidelines say we should use "help / cancel /ok " and > > "previous / next " order for increased gui consistency > > > > so you've to use "help/cancel" order here > > OK, the last change you made shifting the buttons around drives me > crazy, since I need to click on the left on one screen , then the > right on the next one to back out, sorry:-) but guies were inconsistent: - kde order in some place, gnome in others, - differente case in different places: OK/Ok/ok, Cancel/cancel, ... - different layout for cancel button, ... quoting fred crozat: "The justificiation for buttons order from Seth Nickell (one of the Usuability guys) is available here : http://mail.gnome.org/archives/hig/2002-February/msg00037.html"; it has quite good some arguments (eg: like always having the action button [Ok/Next] at the same place in the right bottom corner) ... what's more: - it's increase our tool consistency with other gtk+/gnome apps - interface team want it :-) > but I'm certainly no UI guru. I'll follow the guidelines. thanks :-)
Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] drakxtools-9.2-0.21mdk
FACORAT Fabrice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 2°/ lack of help > I'm a newbie and I select ssh. But what is Expect ( use Expect for ssh ) > ? adavantage ? how do I use it ? do I have something to configure on the > client and/or serveur side ? > ==> need at least a tooltip, or better a help text when you click on > help button. The same for the others entries. btw, the help option should better point to mandrake tools help (see harddrake2, drakconnect, drakbug, or mcc for sample) > 2°/ non editable combo > IMHO we should rather have option menus (...) > 1°/ non editable combo > IMHO we should rather have option menus (...) > 1°/ non editable combo > IMHO we should rather have option menus stew, use s/Combo/OptionMenu/ where needed. i'd added a compatibility infrastructure in ugtk2 for this (in order to be able to use combo boxes and option menus in the same way in most place -- also will ease the port to new widgets once libegg one replace both Combo/OptionMenu in the future) for more explanation, look at end of ugtk2 (just above "package Gtk2::OptionMenu") and at ugtk2 log for r1.141 commit) > 1°/ typo in french > utilser <-> Utiliser fixed in cvs > + Drakbackup -> Configuration with a wizard -> storage media selection : > 1°/ typo in french : > su <-> sur Lecteur de Bande fixed in cvs > + MUG ( Mdk Ui Guideline ) > You have Cancel - Help - ... > It should be Help - Cancel ? yes it should. stew, gnome guidelines say we should use "help / cancel /ok " and "previous / next " order for increased gui consistency so you've to use "help/cancel" order here > > - drakboot: configured directly gdm & kdm > > - can't fit in window at minimum size > - overlap/hide journal > - boot splash configuration should be move to an another widget and > follow the example of boot loader configuration. This will save a lot of > space. > - non editable combo all of them being already fixed in 9.2-0.22mdk :-) > IMHO we should rather have option menus everywhere possible same answer :-) > - need tooltips explaining boot loader configuration options that is ? which options do you speak about exactly ? > > - drakfont: fix #1679 & #3673 > > garbage in file dialog : > Sélectionnez les polices ou dossiers et cliquez sur « Ajouter » ok, will look at it > > - drakgw: > > if you resize the window of the wizard, you have a bad effect as the top > image keep the same size. The window should not be resizable or the > image should resize itself, or you have a a color mathing the background > of the image to try to hide this a little. interface team ? we probably could get rid of it by settint a background pixbuf with the header background as i do in mcc.
