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Original Message Follows Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:05:06 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Steindel) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is why we the people can not get action from Congress to help the poor, the sick, the homeless...We Got No Money To Give'emThe info contained herein is from www.crp.org If the Homeless People's Network had a couple of million bucks we could turn it into 25 or 30 million in aid... The Money: Timber PACs have distributed $818,000 to federal candidates so far in the 1997-98 election cycle. Between 1993-1998, senators have received $2.5 million from timber PACs and individuals who work in the industry. Between 1997-1998, representatives have received $735,000 from timber PACs and individuals who work in the industry. The Votes: Senate. On September 17, 1997, Sen. Richard Bryan (D-Nev) proposed an amendment to the 1998 Interior Department spending bill, H.R. 2107, to end the Forest Service's program that provides credit toward timber purchases when the industry builds its own roads and cuts $10 million from the agency's logging road construction budget. Bryan's amendment failed by a 51-49 vote. House. On July 10, 1997, the expected vote never happened on a proposal to cut $41.5 million for direct funding of logging roads and eliminate the $50 million a year credit program for timber companies that build their own roads. During debate of the 1998 Interior Department spending bill, H.R. 2107, the House voted on an alternative introduced by Rep. Norm Dicks (D-Wash) that instead cuts $5.6 million from logging road spending and funds the credit program at $25 million a year. Dicks's amendment passed by a 211-209 vote. =A0 Top Timber Industry Money Recipients=A0 Top House Recipients of Timber Industry PAC Individual Contributions, 1997-98 1Helen Chenoweth (R-Idaho) $31,942Y 2Linda Smith (R-Wash) $24,850Y 3Jennifer Dunn (R-Wash) $24,406Y 4Don Young (R-Alaska) $23,727Y 5Michael D Crapo (R-Idaho) $22,250Y 6Jay Dickey (R-Ark) $21,750Y 7Charles H Taylor (R-NC) $15,100Y 8Frank Riggs (R-Calif) $14,750Y 9Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga) $14,000Y 10Jim McCrery (R-La) $13,872Y Vote to reduce proposed cut in logging road subsidies. A Yes vote benefits the industry. =A0 =A0=A0 Top Senate Recipients of Timber Industry PAC Individual Contributions, 1993-98 1Gordon Smith (R-Ore) $404,515N 2Slade Gorton (R-Wash) $159,703N 3Jeff Sessions (R-Ala) $151,124N 4Larry E. Craig (R-Idaho) $103,891N 5Phil Gramm (R-Texas) $81,225N 6Paul Coverdell (R-Ga) $75,050N 7Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala) $73,499N 8Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas) $70,200N 9Susan Collins (R-Maine) $69,533N 10Lauch Faircloth (R-NC) $66,874N a no vote benefits the industry Wow see what a little money can do... Original Message Follows Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:05:06 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Steindel) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is why we the people can not get action from Congress to help the poor, the sick, the homeless...We Got No Money To Give'emThe info contained herein is from www.crp.org If the Homeless People's Network had a couple of million bucks we could turn it into 25 or 30 million in aid... The Money: Timber PACs have distributed $818,000 to federal candidates so far in the 1997-98 election cycle. Between 1993-1998, senators have received $2.5 million from timber PACs and individuals who work in the industry. Between 1997-1998, representatives have received $735,000 from timber PACs and individuals who work in the industry. The Votes: Senate. On September 17, 1997, Sen. Richard Bryan (D-Nev) proposed an amendment to the 1998 Interior Department spending bill, H.R. 2107, to end the Forest Service's program that provides credit toward timber purchases when the industry builds its own roads and cuts $10 million from the agency's logging road construction budget. Bryan's amendment failed by a 51-49 vote. House. On July 10, 1997, the expected vote never happened on a proposal to cut $41.5 million for direct funding of logging roads and eliminate the $50 million a year credit program for timber companies that build their own roads. During debate of the 1998 Interior Department spending bill, H.R. 2107, the House voted on an alternative introduced by Rep. Norm Dicks (D-Wash) that instead cuts $5.6 million from logging road spending and funds the credit program at $25 million a year. Dicks's amendment passed by a 211-209 vote. =A0 Top Timber Industry Money Recipients=A0 Top House Recipients of Timber Industry PAC Individual Contributions, 1997-98 1Helen Chenoweth (R-Idaho) $31,942Y 2Linda Smith (R-Wash) $24,850Y 3Jennifer Dunn (R-Wash) $24,406Y 4Don Young (R-Alaska) $23,727Y 5Michael D Crapo (R-Idaho) $22,250Y 6Jay Dickey (R-Ark) $21,750Y 7Charles H Taylor (R-NC)
Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/25/98 7:38:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This seems like a cart-before-the-horse question. The FDA is staffed with people from industry. Like the other government agencies, it is a weak force compared to the realities of global corporatism. Monsanto could live without it--it has no impact on European or Asian markets, for instance. kt kt This is an excellent observation. The FDA is run by former business men and the businesses (like Monsanto) frequently hire former FDA workers to work for them. It is a blatant conflict of interest in my opinion, especially in all the talk about Nutrasweet and other questionable foodstuffs. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Japanese Economy Down the Tubes
Data: Japan Economy Still Crumbling TOKYO (AP) -- Japan's troubled economy continued its downward spiral last month, with no indication of a rebound in sight, economic data released Friday shows. Industrial output is sliding, sales at department stores are slumping and unemployment has reached a new postwar high, according to government figures for November. What's more, a report from financial authorities shows that Japan's notoriously troubled banks have even more bad loans than previously thought. Nothing in the latest batch of economic data supports recent predictions by government officials that Japan's worst postwar recession is nearing an end. To try to hasten recovery, Japan's Cabinet on Friday unveiled a draft budget for 1999 that will double the size of the annual deficit as it pays for efforts to kickstart the nation's moribund economy. The 81.9-trillion yen ($706 billion) in proposed spending, which still must win approval from Parliament, represents a 5.4 percent increase from this year's budget. It features 10 trillion yen ($86 billion) in new public works spending and tax cuts worth more than 9 trillion yen ($78 billion). ``This draft budget for fiscal year 1999 has been made up with priority on promoting economic recovery,'' the Ministry of Finance, which compiled the spending proposal, said in a statement. The series of dour economic reports began with the release of November job figures early Friday. The Management and Coordination Agency said Japan's unemployment rate rose to a record-high 4.4 percent as the corporate world cut payrolls and suffered a wave of bankruptcies. The jobless rate was the highest since the government started keeping track of unemployment in the 1950s, topping the previous record of 4.3 percent. For the first time, unemployment in Japan equaled that of the United States, where the jobless rate also was 4.4 percent in November. Taichi Sakaiya, head of the Economic Planning Agency, said the job situation would likely get worse before it gets better. ``There's strong pressure for the jobless rate to rise,'' said Sakaiya, one of Japan's top economic planners. His comments contrasted sharply with his recent upbeat prediction that the economic slump would soon near an end. The news Friday was no better for Japan's once-mighty manufacturers. Industrial output at factories and mines in November fell a larger-than- expected 2 percent compared to the previous month, the Ministry of International Trade and Industry said. The fall was considerably larger than forecast by private economists and the government. And while the ministry predicted there would be a 0.3 percent rebound in production in December, it agreed with other forecasters that a recovery was not yet in sight. ``There still isn't enough data to indicate that the economy has hit bottom,'' the ministry said. Meanwhile, the trade ministry also reported that sales at major department stores and supermarkets fell 1.5 percent in November from a year earlier, the seventh straight month of declines. Economists blame problems at Japan's banks for the prolonged slump. Many banks are buried under mountains of bad loans left from the collapse of a speculative bubble in land prices in the early 1990s. While they battle with those debts, they have cut back on new loans to businesses, contributing to a nasty credit crunch and record rise in bankruptcies. Another report Friday showed the bad loan problem is worse than banks have admitted. The Financial Supervisory Agency said the 17 banks had about 49.50 trillion yen ($427 billion) in shaky loans as of March 31, about 12 percent more than the banks had disclosed.
[CTRL] Fwd: Radioactive Sewers Back Up
Report: Russia Radiation Level High MOSCOW (AP) -- Radioactive waste dumped by the Soviet Union in Arctic seas is leaking through its containers, causing radiation levels to reach up to 100 times normal in some areas, officials said Friday. Russia's Emergency Situations Ministry said radiation levels in waters off the Novaya Zemlya archipelago exceed the norm dozens of times, and in the nearby Stepovoi Gulf by 100 times, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported. Radiation levels in the Barents Sea are also above normal, the ministry said. Several containers that the Soviet Union used in Arctic radioactive dumps in the 1960s have become depressurized and toxic waste is leaking out, the ministry said. Chemical weapons dumps in the Baltic Sea are also causing contamination with heavy metals and arsenic, the ministry said, citing a study it conducted over the past three years. Sediment concentrations of heavy metals in several areas of the Baltic Sea are 10 to 100 times above normal levels, and arsenic levels are also high, the ministry said, according to ITAR-Tass.
Re: [CTRL] Microwaved food, no good?
-Caveat Lector- At 04:41 PM 12-25-98 EST, you wrote: From Trufax.org (Leading Edge International) Teo1000 Court Removes Gag Order from Swiss Scientist on Microwaved Food see also: THE HIDDEN HAZARDS OF MICROWAVE COOKING from NEXUS Magazine, Volume 2, #25 (April-May '95) http://www2.peg.apc.org/~nexus/microwave.html . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] calling on Muslims to kill Americans and Britons
-Caveat Lector- CAIRO, Egypt (December 25, 1998 11:10 p.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) - Osama Bin Laden, the Saudi exile accused of masterminding the Aug. 7 U.S. Embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya, is calling on Muslims to kill Americans and Britons for the airstrikes their countries carried out against Iraq. "The British and the American people loudly declared their support for their leaders' decision to attack Iraq," Bin Laden said in Friday's edition of the Arabic newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat. This made it "the duty of Muslims to confront, fight and kill" Britons and Americans, he said. "And anything that can be taken from them by force is the rightful prize of Muslims," Bin Laden said. The London-published newspaper said the interview was conducted in the mountains of Helmand province in southern Afghanistan. The United States and Britain carried out four days of airstrikes on Iraqi military and communications sites earlier this month to punish Baghdad for its alleged obstruction of U.N. inspectors seeking evidence of weapons of mass destruction. Washington accuses Bin Laden of masterminding the Aug. 7 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya. The blasts killed more than 250 people. Thirteen days later, the United States blasted Bin Laden's camps in Afghanistan with cruise missiles. Bin Laden has denied carrying out the attacks but has said he didn't "regret what happened there." After the United States attacked Bin Laden's camps, the Taliban - the militia that controls 90 percent of Afghanistan - announced it had imposed restrictions on Bin Laden, including barring him from giving media interviews. Bin Laden told Asharq Al-Awsat that while the Taliban had prohibited him from carrying out attacks on foreign countries, he continues to guide Muslims "toward holy war against Jews and Christians. This is a duty." The interview was the second to be published with Bin Laden in two days. It was not immediately clear whether he was defying the Taliban's restrictions or whether they had been eased. A Taliban spokesman could not be reached for comment. A businessman who made a fortune in construction, Bin Laden first went to Afghanistan in the 1980s to fight the Soviet occupation army. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Re: [CTRL] A cliché was Re: Time to End CEOs 5-Year NAFTA Party
-Caveat Lector- MJ wrote: In the United States money does not trickle down from the government. It flows upward from the private sector. In a market economy, individuals and corporations earn money by producing goods which uncoerced consumers will purchase. More important, in democratic societies that respect human rights, the government has no prior claim to what people earn by their honest labors. There was, however, a system which maintained such a claim. It went by such names as feudalism, slavery, and totalitarianism. Ideally, the role of government in a market economy would be to finance industry that would benefit the "common weal" by encouraging the populace to save through purchasing government bonds that are tax-exempt. The bonds would be paid off by tax money, and the public would be able to create needed infrastructure for the entire community. But what has happened to keep the ideal vision from happening? Bond traders like Stephens, Inc.--seeing an opportunity for double profits--have stepped in to finance political campaigns and entice the sponsored elected officials to send municipal bond business to them. They talk the officials into building new stadiums, courthouses, bridges, etc. by setting up quasi-governmental entities with legislative authority to issue tax-exempt bonds. They get the bonds approved by the state's attorney general who is required by law to review the bonds to make sure that the quasi-governmental entity is completely separate from the county or city which sponsors the entity under specially passed legislation. That means if the entity doesn't receive enough revenue to pay off the bonds, the asset itself can be taken by the bondholders, but the taxpayers won't suffer any other loss. The bond traders win both ways. Their friends are allowed to purchase tax-free bonds at the bottom price and receive guaranteed income that is not taxed. They have also tried to say that the quasi-governmental entity is not technically "government" and therefore not subject to open meetings or open records statutes that exist in most states--or to competitive bidding requirements. That would allow them to hire the corporations set up by their friends to do the design and construction work for the facility and thus evade the law to protect consumers and taxpayers. The bonds are then sold to public mutual fund companies like PaineWebber (a favorite of Stephens, Inc.) with money collected from pension funds and other savings for long-term investment. If the bonds default, then, it's the pensioners who lose their shirts. But the majority shareholders of the fund (usually a 5% interest will control) would end up controlling the quasi-governmental facility in the event of default. So the potential is there for these "people" to own most of the public infrastructure in this country because of their scheme in financing the construction. The only way to know what's going on is to be aware of way the plan works, then go to commissioner's court meetings and watch what happens. Noboby really has the time to do that, and even the people involved in day-to-day activities of county government don't believe in conspiracies, so they don't even understand the danger of what will happen if the economy turns bad. MJ said: You the producer will, on your own initiative and with your own capital, work hard to turn a profit. We, the government, will impede you with regulations and confiscate ever-increasing amounts of your income. With what we confiscate, we will first take care of the needs of the state, but hopefully some of that money will trickle down to those we determine to be needy victims. Ironically, if you follow this model the cliché is true. The trickle-down theory is the source of our economic problems. The truth is the biggest part of the government income goes to pay interest and charges to the same companies and their attorneys which sell these bonds in the first place. And it goes to the New York banks which issue them. The present-day bonds are not much different from the bonds that existed at the turn of the century when the British and Dutch investors bought the bonds of the Scottish investment bankers who financed many of the railroads and power plants in our young country. When someone who extols Cato blames the government for succumbing to the enticements of these financiers, it reminds me of the people who financed Hitler blaming the Jews for all the problems of the world. Don't fall for this treachery. Follow the money to its source! Linda DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Is Censure Related to CIA Drugs information?
From: "Mike Ruppert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] David: Picture a game of chicken like in the old 50's movies. Two hot rods race toward each other at breakneck speed. The chicken is the one who swerves away first. I believe you are absolutely right. The Democrats gave the Republicans an out in Iran Contra when they had enough to put Reagan, Bush and all of CIA in jail. By not forcing the issue they became criminal co-conspirators. Now, the unspoken message is, and always has been, "Hey, we let you guys off for the drugs in Iran-Contra, Now you have to let Bill off for the fundraising, travelgate, the Chinese missile technology, Monica and everything else. Running in the background, the entire time of the impeachment process, has been the CIA drug investigation. The CIA which released the report is headed by Clinton appointees. So many people were amazed that CIA confessed to so much in Volume II. I was not. It is no coincidence that hearings on Volume Two are scheduled to run at the same time as the impeachment trial. The message is clear. Clinton, who was never the prime architect of evil in CIA drug-dealing, is saying that he'll scorch the earth. His biggest defender has been Maxine Waters, who is also the Congressional leader on CIA and drugs. This is not by accident. I believe there's more than one reason for this. I say again, that were I her I would have done exactly the same thing. I cannot get into her head. Nor can I speak for her. But my reasons for supporting Clinton (if I were her) would be the simple realization that it would be the only hope I had of getting the CIA-drug issue squarely on the table - whether Bill Clinton wanted it or not. If push comes to shove, he has an out. In my newsletter From The Wilderness (Dec., 1998) I just published a story which used as a source a totally credible former CIA pilot and lawyer who has already testified in a federal trial that CIA was flying drugs into Mena as far back as 1972-5 before Bill Clinton ever held office. (US v. Reagan, Tucson, 1997). [This was not Ronald Reagan]. There's plenty of evidence to back him up. I still like Maxine because she's a tough and shrewd player who, I believe, has the best interests of her people at heart. I also believe that African-Americans will save the soul of the nation. I have just received the endorsement of the Baptist Ministerial Conference of Southern California. That's 500 black churches. Like FDR I believe that nothing happens in politics by accident. All of these people know that I won't compromise on CIA and drugs for anything and my web page has been recently visited twice by the Executive Office of the President. That is why I have stayed fairly neutral on the impeachment circus. That is why we must do everything we can to focus attention on the Volume II hearings and why I need support. I don't like Bill Clinton at all but I recognize that he is a product of the system which created him and his roots go back to Bush, Harriman, Stephens, and others who've been around a lot longer. My biggest fear is George W. Bush who just got the endorsement of Jerry Falwell in 2000. Personally, I hope that both hot rods crash into each other head first. Then the people might have a chance of setting things right. However, I am also pushing hard for a mass demonstration of 10,000 people in the street at Florence and Normandie on April 29th, the 7th anniversary of the L.A. riot to prove that the people know enough not to let the bad guys make deals and get away with it. CIA and drugs is out of the can. We have to make sure that no one puts it back. Mike Ruppert www.copvcia.com -Original Message- From: David Goldman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 25, 1998 9:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[CIA-DRUGS] Is Censure Related to CIA Drugs information? From: David Goldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] So now we have the "elder statesman" coming out against impeachment before hearing the evidence. Does anyone have any guesses as to what Clinton has on the congressman and senators such as Moynihan, Hatch, etc. who oppose impeachment that may be related to the CIA drug issues relating to both parties? Moynihan talks about destabilizing the presidency, is he hinting at this? David Goldman DRUDGE REPORT THU DEC 24, 1998 21:22:41 UTC MOYNIHAN COMES OUT AGAINST REMOVING CLINTON FROM OFFICE Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York has determined that President Clinton should be censured but not removed from office, warning that the moves to oust Clinton might threaten to "very readily destabilize the presidency." Moynihan makes the comments in an exclusive interview set for Friday's NEW YORK TIMES. Moynihan, who was believed to be a potential swing pro-impeachment Democrat, said he had consulted many of his colleagues and was "increasingly confident that there was support among those in his party and Republicans to move rapidly to cut short a prolonged impeachment trial."
[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] Re: NIMROD, MARS AND THE MARDUK CONNECTION
From: Stella Maris [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bill Kingsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] from: http://www.ldolphin.org/Nimrod.html NIMROD, MARS AND THE MARDUK CONNECTION by Bryce Self Thanks for finding this, Bill... this is all getting extremely interesting. There are so many trigger-words in that article that I was virtually pinned to the wall by the time I was finished reading it. I don't know who Bryce Self is, can somebody update me? His reference to the computer conference which identified the face on Mars reminded me of Richard Hoagland, are they connected? I was told a couple of months ago that Richard Hoagland was the (now-severed) member of the Dragon Order who was behind the "disruption" of the Order and one can certainly see how the information in this article ties-in with the Dragons' stance. I therefore find it intriguing that the Count directs our attention towards Nimrod... here is an excerpt from an "official" history which was "released" by Laurence Gardner a few years ago: "The great Universal sciences were Geometry, Numerology, and Metallurgy. Together, they comprised the Cosmic Law (Divine Testimony). [note from Stella - Gardner's position is that the Tablets of Testimony were contained in the Ark of the Covenant, along with the Ten Commandments, that there were FOUR tablets in all] Cosmic Law was said to derive from the Archons. Although recorded from about 8,000 BC (four millenia before Adam), its first dramatic use appeared in 2500-2000 BC. In this era, the great Ziggurats were built in Sumer and Mesopotamia. These were multi-levelled towers with temples atop - the most famous being that of the goddess Ishtar, on the Ziggurat (Tower) of Babel on the Plain of Shinar near Babylon. The Egyptians built the great pyramid of Cheops [note from Stella - one of the shafts of the GP aligns with Thuban in the constellation Draco] and, in England, Stonehenge was constructed. The universal sciences were carved onto two Temple pillars by Lamech (the son of Methuselah and the father of Noah) during the reign of Sargon the Great (Nimrod) of Mesopotamia. During his reign (c. 2346 BC), Sumer and Mesopotamia were devastated by flood from the Tigris and the Euphrates - i.e. the great Deluge of Genesis. Noah and his three brothers salvaged the monuments. which became known as the Antediluvian Pillars. They were placed in the care of the Egyptian Thieron, Hermes Trimegistos (Thoth)." So, both the Count's and Gardner's information converges on Nimrod. Having worked with other material of Gardner's over the past couple of years, I would have to say that I agree with the Count's comment that Gardner has a great deal of accurate information, but that some of his ultimate conclusions are slightly off. But since the Count is only giving us little "hints" it will be difficult to assess whether his information in total is any more accurate than Gardner's. It appears that the only way to proceed is to sift through ALL the available material and synthesize our OWN understanding of this histrorical backround. In the meantime, it will be extremely revealing to see where we will be "led" in 1999... BTW, I asked the Earl Marshal of the Dragon Order about the status of their association with the Priory of Sion and his comment was that the Dragons are far older than the PoS and, while they were happy to work with anyone with similar aims, they wouldn't consider it appropriate to take direction from a younger order... Actually, that's my own paraphrasing, the EM's comments were much more... pithy. I must stress that I'm not taking sides here, I'm simply a neutral observer in all of this. And I'm collecting as much information as I can get my hands on! p.s. That chap, Lambert Dolphin, who posted the above article on his site, sounds fascinating... I wonder if we could talk him into doing a geophysical survey on Rosslyn Chapel... or Pech Cardou? To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. http://www.albino.com/circle/pos - - list of priory-related books, associations, and websites
[CTRL] Fwd: For $$, Big Business Helps China Target US with Nukes
Subj:ABC 20/20 Story: Can China NUKE US??? Date: 98-12-24 13:35:10 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hammell) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CHRIS WALLACE (V.O.) In addition to pressure from Armstrong, other aerospace executives gave big campaign contributions to the Democrats. Over time, the White House made it easier than ever for satellite companies to do business in China. And guess who the President put in charge of his export advisory council? Hughes Michael Armstrong. IAHF LIST: The above was excerpted from the following transcript of an ABC News "20/20" program about Clinton's treasonous actions in providing the Chinese with missile technology that they could use to destroy America with. Here is the whole transcript. Why aren't we hearing MORE about this stuff? Why all the talk about Monica Lewinsky? It's because the news is manipulated in such a way as to distract us from what REALLY bears close scrutiny, issues like THIS, and like Y2K!!! Here is the whole news transcript- this story aired on December 2 on ABC's 20/20. Please join me in contacting 20/20 to request MORE coverage on this. (On their website they have a form you can write a message in and email to them.) If you live near any military targets, eg: San Diego, Abileen Texas, etc, or near any big city, you better MOVE! I downloaded this from http://abcnews.go.com/onair/2020/transcripts/2020_981202wallace_trans.ht ml: = Wednesday, December 2, 1998 [This is an unedited, uncorrected transcript.] DIANE SAWYER, ABC NEWS Good evening, and welcome to 20/20 Wednesday. Tonight, we have a story about how a top U.S. defense contractor may have given away secrets of American rocket technology and at the expense of American national security. SAM DONALDSON, ABC NEWS Giving the secrets away to China is the charge, Diane, and China this month is expected to test a nuclear missile with enough range to strike the United States. And remember, the Chinese supply weapons to many other countries far more hostile to the U.S. Chief correspondent Chris Wallace joins us now with an exclusive report. Chris? CHRIS WALLACE, ABCNEWS Sam, tonight, youre going to meet a man named Al Coates, who was the governments top cop to protect U.S. secrets during American satellite launches in China. And Coates says some American aerospace companies released sensitive information which helped the Chinese. Now, the companies deny giving China technology secrets. But independent military experts say when someone like Al Coates makes these charges, its significant. (V.O.) February 1996. An American satellite is launched on a Chinese rocket. Just after lift-off, the rocket veers out of control. Seconds later, it explodes, and the $126 million satellite onboard is destroyed. But whats most notable about the accident is that, afterwards, Chinese rockets stopped exploding. Tonight, youll hear a story youve never heard before how U.S. aerospace companies may have helped China build better rockets at the expense of Americas national security. (O.C.) As a routine matter, are American companies giving sensitive information to the Chinese? AL COATES I believe they are. CHRIS WALLACE (V.O.) It was Al Coatess job to protect American technology. As a senior monitor of overseas launches, Coates has been warning the government for years about what American companies have been doing in China. Last month, frustrated by the lack of response, Lieutenant Colonel Coates quit, after 29 years in the Air Force. Tonight, hes going public about the aerospace industry for the first time. AL COATES They want to get the job done. They dont consider it helping the Chinese. They consider it getting their payload and getting their job accomplished. CHRIS WALLACE (on camera) What has the effect of all this been on U.S. national security? AL COATES They have a better capability at striking us. CHRIS WALLACE You mean were less safe? AL COATES Were less safe. CHRIS WALLACE How seriously do you take Al Coates? SEN FRED THOMPSON, (R) TENNESSEE I take it very seriously. This is very important, troubling new information. CHRIS WALLACE Republican senator Fred Thompson heads a Senate committee thats been investigating U.S. satellite companies. He says what Coates saw firsthand provides important new leads. FRED THOMPSON We used to have a system whereby national security was paramount in our considerations. CHRIS WALLACE (on camera) If national security used to be paramount, whats paramount now? FRED THOMPSON: Commercial interests. CHRIS WALLACE: Profits? FRED THOMPSON: Yes. CHRIS WALLACE: Making a buck? FRED THOMPSON: Yes. CHRIS WALLACE: At the expense of U.S. national security? FRED THOMPSON: I think so. LAUNCH CONTROLLER: Challenger, go with throttle up. CHRIS WALLACE (V.O.) It all started back in 1986, when the Space Shuttle Challenger blew up, and American
[CTRL] Fwd: Power Cos.
Subj:Not One Y2K Compliant U.S. Utility, According to SEC Filings Date: 98-12-25 20:19:10 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hammell) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] IAHF LIST: Please forward this to more people in order to wake them up. Securities and Exchange Commission Filings can now be used to gauge y2k preparedness in power utilities and other publicly traded companies. Unless more of us prepare for whats coming, and help each other prepare, theres going to be a lot of dead and starving people in the not too distant future. I urge everyone to visit the Gary North website daily for updates of this kind. From Gary North Website http://www.garynorth.com Category: Power_Grid Date: 1998-12-23 16:03:43 Subject: Not One Y2K Compliant U.S. Utility, According to SEC Filings Link: http://www.euy2k.com/guest2.htm Comment: Will the power grid go down? I know of no reliable evidence that says it won't. Not one U.S. power plant is compliant today. The odds are there will be a shutdown. This seems obvious. It is also systematically ignored by the media, programmers, and investors. This study surveys the officially filings of U.S. electrical power utilities. Almost half of those that filed neglected to say when they began their projects. Of those that did, most started in 1996 or later. What percentage of their y2k budgets has been spent? Most of those reporting said it was somewhere between 10% and 40%. This means that most of their projects lie ahead of them. There is no logical case for y2k optimism. There are no data to support such a case. The most optimistic accurate statement that a y2k optimist can present today is this: "No one knows what will happen in 2000." This is a thin thread on which to support an entire civilization. This is Part I of a report posted on the EUY2K site (Dec. 21). * * * * * * * * * * * Will the lights stay on? Anyone who is aware of the potential problems Y2K may bring eventually asks themselves that question. There are many other aspects in which year 2000 failures might affect individuals, but none which seems so vital as the generation of reliable electric power. ... This is why I have focused my attention on the status of the U.S. electric utility industry during my search for those elusive Year 2000 answers were all in pursuit of. I gave myself the task of reading, filing and correlating what I believe to be all the third quarter 1998 SEC 10Q filings of publicly held utilities, and have compiled a summary of their self-reported status in four pertinent areas. These areas are: Year 2000 Project Start Date Year 2000 Costs Incurred to Date as a Percentage of Estimated Total Costs Year 2000 IT and Non IT Percentage of Project Completion to Date/Estimated Final Completion Contingency Planning Estimated Completion Dates. ... With nearly half of investor-owned utilities declining to tell when they began their Year 2000 Project, its very difficult to get a handle on when the majority started their fixes. I surmise that those not reporting a start date would fall into a later start category than those who did, but this is again my personal skepticism showing. However, of those utilities which did report a start date, the bulk of them began either in 1996 or 1997. ... As you can see for yourself, the answer to the oft-asked question, "Are there any compliant utilities?" is "No," at least not for those required to file with the SEC. I have not read any utility SEC filing in which a utility is estimating compliance before sometime in 1999, and the vast majority only speak of critical systems in their estimations, not full compliance. Words such as "triage," "prioritized," or the phrase "assessment to determine if assets are critical" are widely used. Twenty-seven and a half percent of utility filers either did not give any report what they had spent to date. Of those which did report specific cost estimates, just over 32% of the total utility SEC filers had spent 25% or LESS of their estimated total project costs. Nearly 45% of the total had spent one-third or less of total estimated costs. ... Link: http://www.euy2k.com/guest2.htm
[CTRL] Re: Re: [CTRL] Re: [CTRL] Re [CTRL] A cliché was Re: Time to End CEOs 5-Year NAFTA Party
-Caveat Lector- In reply: Why bring up the words of those long dead? History repeats it's self and since they were some of the ones that this history of this country was built on. I for one do not like to reinvent the wheel. Up date the language and you can sell the old as new. Money Changers become Money Launders. Laura -Original Message- From: M. A. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Re: [CTRL] Re [CTRL] A cliché was Re: Time to End CEOs 5-Year NAFTA Party -Caveat Lector- MJ wrote: .50 Payments to Individuals .15 National Defense .15 Grants to States Localities .14 Net Interest .05 Other Federal Operations .01 Reserve Pending Social Security Reform 1.00 Total Hmmm ... 14% is bigger than 50%? New Math? Linda Minor wrote: "Individuals"? Does this mean government employees or what exactly? MJ: ALL individuals to who the government redistributes tax-payer's earnings ... Black Lung Disability and Survivor's Benefits, Black Lung Survivor's Benefits, Disability Insurance, Federal Employee's Compensation, Federal-State Unemployment Insurance, Railroad Unemployment Insurance, Trade Readjustment Allowances, Basic Educational Opportunity Grants, College Work-Study, Follow Through, Head Start, Interest-Free Guaranteed Loans, Medical Education Loans and Grants, National Direct Student Loans, Nursing Education Loans, Special Services for Low-Income Physically Handicapped Students in post Secondary Schools, Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grants, Talent Search, Upward Bound, Vocation Educational Work Study, Food Commodities, Food Stamps School Lunches, School Milk, Special Supplemental Feeding (for pregnant and lactating mothers), Special Supplemental Feeding (for Women, Infants and Children), Comprehensive Health Services, Crippled Children's Services, Dental Health of Children, Health Care of Children and Youth, Intensive Infant Care Project, Maternity and Infant Care Projects, Medicaid, Medicare, Appalachian Housing Program, Farm Labor Housing, Home-Ownership for Tenants of Public Housing, Home-Ownership Loans, Indian Housing Improvement Program, Interest Subsidies for Rental Housing, Low-Income Housing Repair Loans, Low-Rent Public Housing, Mortgage Insurance for Families Who Are Special Credit Risks, Mortgage Insurance for Low-Income and Moderate-Income Families, Mortgage Insurance for Low-Income and Moderate-Income Families (Condominiums), Rent Supplements, Rural Housing Loans, Rural Housing Site Loans, Rural Rental Housing Insured Loans, Rural Self-Help Housing Technical Assistance, Career Opportunities Program, Concentrated Employment Programs, Economic Opportunity Loans, Foster Grandparents, Job Corporations, Job Opportunities in the Business Sector, Manpower Development and Training, Neighborhood Youth Corporations, Operation Mainstream Public Service Careers, Senior Community Service Employment, Senior Companions, Vocational Rehabilitation Services, Work Incentive Projects, Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), Assistance to Cuban Refugees, Emergency Assistance, General Assistance to Indians, Legal Services for the Poor, Meals for the Elderly, Services to Needy Aged, Blind or disabled, Services to Needy families on Welfare, Supplement Security Income. To name a few. Linda Minor wrote: And you're saying there's only .01 difference between national defense and net interest. Sounds like the financiers are getting a big cut there, and since they own most of the military industrial complex as well, that's a big chunk of the government. MJ: The numbers I posited were Mr. Clinton's. Linda Minor wrote: I keep wondering why they want to do away with the government. It must have something to do with wanting the other 70% of the pie. MJ: 'They' who? *I* want to remove ALL of this plunder and restore liberty by restricting Government ONLY to its legitimate function of protecting ALL individuals from FORCE and FRAUD ... rather than providing legislated advantage. MJ: The 'source' would then be the taxpayer -- so this mantra is a bit silly. Linda Minor wrote: It's only silly to you because you distorted what I said. The source of the money is the people who actually buy the bonds that are actually sold. The ideal situation would be if the taxpayer bought the bonds, and then we'd collectively own the infrastructure. The actual situation is that, although the money of small investors is used to pay for bonds, because the savings are filtered into mutual funds, the investment management company--not the investor--controls the fund. In the case of default, the small investor is wiped out, but the larger bondholder (with maybe 5% of the total fund) gets control of the asset. Then it can be sold to another corporation sponsored by the financiers and friends. You don't have to
[CTRL] Japan it's education, economy, and people
-Original Message-From: Alamaine Ratliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 9:02 AMSubject: [CTRL] Nipponiana: 12-26: A Bridge Too Far? Reply by Laura: In the 1980's there were some that used Japan's educational system as a example of what America could do. Japan's suicide rate (I believe) was actually lower than the American rate. We were looking at American schools in the high income areas that had / have students that believe if you do not have the best shoes, clothes, ect. When they did not have these the peer group stress was high as well as the suicide rate. By placing these statistics on academics - they were able to hide the true cause and it opened the door to things like ADD / ADHD. There is a lot of propaganda in this. And a lot of money. The fight over control of the Educational system and not just America's. Now days Japan is buying into this too. They are not starting their children's education as soon any more. I wish someone would put out the truth. To illustrate how bad this is (if you can get past my grammar) I was reading the Dec 7, 98 issue of Newsweek and it had a article in Science and Technology that made me laugh. It refereed to a study of tasks where they had the children do these tasks while in a MRI. The results said that the Attention-regulating basal ganglia showed less blood flow for the NON-ADHD child than it did for the ADHD child. If anyone has seen someone learning how to read *R-E-A-D* as they sound out the words. One child would have a harder time -- LEARNING. Why? Because they have not learned to tools and I am not (just) talking about having a biological problem. Japan's research was the pivotal point in getting Aspartame authorized in America. Soda products over there have been sweetened with Stevia for over 20 years. The US is the only country that uses bovine growth hormone. Now to get back on thread - What would have been the reason that people would have given a green light to Aspartame? Sugar has been shown to be addictive and the pubs in England are ostracized when they add it to their brews. Sugar causes problems with the neurological system - but pull it off the market or say that they need to replace it with something else? What would that do to Cuba? Well Castro seems to think that their are too many fat cats down there anyway so I doult he would protest something being place in competition. How much cane sugar do we use - I see corn syrup in most items. Now that was some of the history behind sugar and Aspartame. It is also why I believe that with fudged test results that it was allowed. This could mean that sugar actually has more adverse effects than Aspartame since the FDA knew about the adverse effects of Aspartame to begin with. Many say that the head of the FDA (during the Regan Administration) when Aspartame was given the go ahead, did it so that he could work for Monsanto afterwards. This may not be complete but I need to get back to homework. If anyone wants more, ask questions and I will answer as much as I know. Laura http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm1. Take the 60-day No Aspartame Test and send us your case history. Mission Possible International5950-H State Bridge Rd. #215 Duluth, GA 30097 USA 2. Tell your doctor and all of your friends! 3. Return Asparcidal food to the store.(anything with Monsanto's NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste) VISIT http://www.dorway.com Get links to over 30 sites on aspartameVISIT http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ ..FAQs CasesVISIT http://www.notmilk.com Exposing Bovine Growth Hormone Disability and Death are not acceptable costs of business!
[CTRL] Rep. Livingston Yearns For Job As Corporate Lobbyist
-Caveat Lector-
REP. LIVINGSTON YEARNS FOR JOB AS CORPORATE LOBBYIST
(CNNS, 12/26/98) -- It was widely reported last month that
then-selected Speaker of the House, Robert Livingston, was
reluctant to accept the position. Mainstream news outlets
reported that Livingston had been planning to retire from
Congress altogether and seek work as a highly-paid corporate
lobbyist. But in November, Livingston acceded instead to
Republican Party wishes and agreed to serve as Speaker.
Now that Mr. Livingston has suddenly made a U-turn, turning down
the job of Speaker and saying he will be retiring from Congress,
it is presumed he will, as heretofore planned, seek work in the
corporate sector as a lobbyist.
Livingston's dramatic U-turn seemed, on the surface, to be a
"noble reaction," a "falling on his sword" moment of high drama.
Following revelations that Livingston had had extra-marital
affairs, congressman Livingston astutely played the situation for
all it was worth. In a brilliant performance, acted out before
his congressional peers and the U.S. public, Livingston "nobly"
announced he would not after all serve as House Speaker and would
even be quitting his job as congressman. Called upon to follow
Livingston's "fine example" of resigning from office was U.S.
President Bill Clinton.
Obviously, Bill Clinton is not the only liar in Washington, DC.
The plot thickened with an announcement by Larry Flynt, publisher
of Hustler magazine, in which the purveyor of porn vehemently
denied having anything to do with revelations of Livingston's
marital infidelities. In a Reuters wire service story, Hustler's
executive editor Alan MacDonell is quoted as follows: "The leak
did not come from us." ("Hustler Denies 'Outing' Livingston
Infidelities"; Reuters, 12/18/98)
Thus, contrary to what is being ingrained into the public
consciousness, the dirt on Livingston neither came from Larry
Flynt nor from Hustler magazine.
So where =did= the Livingston sex info originate?
Speculation is rampant. The most obvious source for the
Livingston leaks would be the White House and/or private
detectives employed by the White House. But according to Sherman
Skolnick, the dirt on Livingston was first leaked by Cokie
Roberts, a reporter who works for the ABC network.
Cokie Roberts is the daughter of the late congressman Hale Boggs.
Mr. Boggs grew critical of the Warren Commission report which
tried to cement the "lone assassin" theory of the John F. Kennedy
assassination into the public mind. (A thinly-veiled Boggs is
portrayed in Oliver Stone's movie, "JFK". In the movie,
Louisiana District Attorney Jim Garrison has a brief conversation
with a Washington, DC politico, in which the politico voices his
private opinion on the Warren Commission report: "That dog won't
hunt," he says.) Congressman Boggs died in a suspicious plane
crash shortly after he became publicly critical of the Warren
Commission report. The notion that Cokie Roberts has been
rewarded for her silence regarding the suspicious circumstances
is not far-fetched. Nor is the notion that Cokie Roberts has
herself become a deep-level player in the political game
far-fetched.
According to Mr. Skolnick, a widely-respected, veteran
investigator into U.S. government "deep politics", Ms. Roberts, a
Louisiana native, worked conjointly with Louisiana-based oil
interests to circumvent the looming Speakership of Robert
Livingston. Livingston, says Skolnick, is himself a native of
Louisiana and is viewed unfavorably, by some, in the mileau of
Louisiana politics.
The true story behind Bob Livingston's *dramata persona* of
"honorable politician doing the right thing" is developing. Of
interest will be who Mr. Livingston's next employer turns out to
be. The bottom line is that politics and politicians are rarely
what they seem.
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Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?
-Caveat Lector- I wrote: (something about a slightly mixed economy) In a message dated 12/26/98 3:49:36 AM, MJ wrote: Name one business one may participate (legally) which is devoid of government. This has been an interesting discussion. I doubt we're going to find ourselves all simultaneously agreeing to one single perfect economic solution anytime soon, but I think it's very important to discuss this type of thing along with the various other abuses and manipulations of power discussed on CTRL. Disagreements aside, how can we expect to actually have a positive impact on the status quo unless we mentally hack the system, as well as our own preconceptions? When I said "slightly mixed," I wasn't trying to deny that we live in Babylon, and that we cannot escape Babylon's grip (Babylon as a metaphorical representation of the United States). You cannot operate a "business" of any substantial sort without entangling yourself with the government, and you cannot gain employment legally without paying taxes, which go to support all sorts of nasty stuff that people generally wouldn't approve of if they realized what was actually going on. The question is, are you one of the few who the system is built to serve, or are you one of the rabble which the system feeds upon? I guess that's what I meant by "slightly mixed," in the sense (quoth Noam Chomsky) that we have in effect a form of state socialism for the rich, with free markets reserved for the poor. Those who are able to claw their way out of the free market and gain entry to the "top of the pyramid club" will, on the way, learn all the bloodthirsty tricks necessary to maintain their prosperous new positions. The social rot begins to smell like roses; decay becomes new growth; crisis becomes opportunity. Corporate execs draw $250,000 paychecks with $100,000 bonuses on a bad year (and blow every dime of it, saving surprisingly little), while the kids in the public housing project down the road have to put plywood over their windows because all the glass has been broken out. But the system (any mass system) is perpetuated by building a conceptual "box" (laws, regulations, social controls, etc.), then tricking and/or forcing as many people as possible to stay within the box. Automatically the perpetuation of this system becomes its primary occupation; that's a given. There is no system that can be built which will be able to withstand the probing of those who seek to use it to their own advantage. Maybe the revolution will come one day, but even if it did, would anything new really come along? The real revolution is within each of us -- the systematic individual process of eliminating one's own contradictions, false values and preconceptions. We have been conditioned since birth in a rancid sea of lies, contradictory messages, dead ends, and greed-inspired motivations. We must deprogram ourselves, dig deep into our own souls, and determine what exactly it is we want to do in these 70-some-odd years that most of us are given on this earth. Only when we have cleansed ourselves of the weaknesses instilled by years of unconcious programming can we come together as a people and really build a better society. And it IS a matter of building alternative systems (while we continue to resist and expose the evils of the old system). Look at that overpriced machine sitting on your desk -- yeah, the one that's allowing you to read this blathering email message, and reply to it if you so choose. It won't be long until one of these gizmos is a necessary tool for pretty much any type of economic activity. Go ahead, get rid of the government, extricate yourself all you want. How the hell are you going to extricate yourself from Apple and Microsoft (or CrappleSoft, if they ever get around to merging)? How are you going to send email or check USENET without BellBeast's phone lines? But technology, of course, is a two-edged sword. There are many, many potential technological solutions that could help us set ourselves free, but they must be solutions that are developed and initiated independently of the established system. We must learn to survive independently in the midst of Babylon's house, if for no other reason than to prove it can be done. Why not set up an independent international network of Internet servers based on packet radio? Why not set up an online bartering system and opt out of the Beast system entirely? Why not organize corps of volunteer knowledge workers and guerilla information activists to develop the software and hardware that would be necessary to set up these alternatives? All we really need is food, shelter and a little time. There is no end to the possibilities, if people actually got together and started DOING something. Again, it's important to debate economic issues as thoroughly as one might beat a dead horse, but it is also extremely important to put ideas into action. When our leaders are derelict and corrupt, we must lead ourselves; when
[CTRL] Treaty Executive Order 13107
-Caveat Lector- From world net daily, haven't had time to check it out yet. Joseph Farah Executive Order 13107 From where do our rights descend? The Bill of Rights? No. The Constitution? No. The Federal government? No. The United Nations? Certainly not. But, apparently, that's what Bill Clinton thinks. For earlier this month, Dec. 10 to be exact, he issued another one of his infamous executive orders -- this time on "the implementation of human rights treaties." In Executive Order 13107, Clinton sets up a new federal bureaucracy for the purpose of implementing U.N. treaties, whether ratified by the U.S. Senate or not. And that federal bureaucracy will implement the treaties on the U.N.'s terms. Sound like a deal? It gets worse. Though President Clinton said he issued the order to further his goal of promoting human rights around the world, it's important to understand exactly how the U.N. defines "human rights." That definition is offered in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which talks about the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion, opinion, and expression. All good stuff, until you realize whom the ultimate authority is. Who is the sovereign that imparts such blessings upon the populace of the world? The answer to that question is stated unequivocally in article 29 of the U.N. document, which states: "These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations." That pretty much explains who the "massa" is and where the plantation boundaries end. What a stark contrast between the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights, and the founding documents of the United States of America. The Declaration of Independence and Constitution both make it clear that basic human rights are inalienable, meaning they descend from the ultimate Sovereign, the Creator, God. Therefore, no human authority, no government, no criminal, no individual can abrogate or abridge those rights. Remember, any right government can bestow upon a people, it can just as easily take away. This is a profound principle Americans have forgotten. The day they accept the principle that rights descend from government authority is the day they lose their freedoms. It's as simple as that. In effect, that is what Executive Order 13107 decrees. It's an attempt by Bill Clinton to persuade Americans that human rights descend not from God but from worldly government authorities -- with the ultimate authority represented by the United Nations. In other words, the U.N. believes people have the right to dissent, unless it's a dissent against the United Nations. It reminds me of the old Soviet model. There it was even more bluntly stated: "There can be no place for freedom of speech, press, and so on for the foes of socialism." Basically, the U.N. has rewritten that maxim: "There can be no place for freedom of speech, press, and so on for the foes of the United Nations." The U.N. practices what it preaches, too. In Bosnia, the U.N. forces have seized control of radio and TV stations broadcasting pro-Serbian news and propaganda. In fact, U.S. troops participated in those raids. How does one justify such actions under the U.S. Constitution, which explicitly recognizes the rights of all people -- not just Americans -- to speak their minds and express themselves freely? Welcome to the Brave New World of U.N. doublespeak. And President Clinton is dragging the U.S. deeper into this quagmire than has any other president in history. Not only does Executive Order 13107 promote an unworthy and dangerous goal, but the road to that objective, namely the executive order itself the way Bill Clinton has employed it, is a corrupt and unconstitutional process. Executive orders are supposed to be a presidential tool for running the executive branch of government. Clinton has used them freely during his terms in office to make policy affecting other branches of government, the states, and individuals. Now, with 13107, he's attempting to implement international treaties! Executive orders were never intended to be used as imperial orders. Once again, though, the only people with the authority to curb the misuse of executive orders are the members of Congress, who have 30 days from the issuance of an order to reject it by majority vote. Trouble is, they seldom bother to read them. And the press seldom bothers to cover them -- even when they represent sweeping new interpretations of human rights and compromises of U.S. national sovereignty. It's time for Congress not only to reject Executive Order 13107, but also to review, in the context of the ongoing impeachment process, all of President Clinton's more than 200 executive orders. In both substance and in intent, they represent one of the worst abuses of power in an administration characterized by abuse of power. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a
Re: [CTRL] June: CHRISTMAS WISHES
-Caveat Lector- A quick tour of churches in Britain will clarify any confusion on the subject. Most churches are built on top of pagan "hot spots." Hilary -Original Message- From: Edward Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 10:48 AM Subject: [CTRL] June: CHRISTMAS WISHES -Caveat Lector- June: Excellent post! Very few people are aware of the pagan origins of modern Christian observances such as Christ-Mass. (Everyone should check out the origin of the use of Christmas trees!) Your words are, as usual, brilliantly enlightening in a non-threatening manner. Someone should take lessons from you :-) BTW, wasn't there a study some years ago pertaining to the calculation of Christ's birth around the Roman census--purportedly between January and April? Edward On Fri, 25 Dec 1998, MShrum wrote: Remember, contrary to what the advertisers and the media would have you believe, this is not a "holiday." It is a religious observance [the term they always use for our Arab friends: Ramadan]. Christmas is to honor the birth of the Christ child. Well, to begin with, the term 'holiday' comes from the contraction of the word 'holy day', so your objection to the word is meaningless. Secondly, there is NOTHING about December 25th that has ANYTHING to do with the birth of Jesus the Christ, except that the Roman Catholic church decided to put a 'Christian' veneer on pre-existing pagan celebrations of the season... Evidence points to either a spring or an early autumnal birthdate for Jesus the Christ (currently, spring is favored in scholarly circles, based on a comet which would have been visible in the spring of 5 BCE... but other evidence in the past has been used to argue for an early autumn birthdate)... Either way, the beginning of winter could NOT have been the actual birth date of Jesus the Christ...it was a date that fell in the middle of the ancient Roman Saturnalia...it was also the date the followers of Mithras claimed was the birthdate of Mithras...and it also roughly corresponded with the Yule festivities of the pagan northern European tribes.. So the Church, after centuries of trying to BAN Christians from participating in the various early winter festivals of their particular geographical area, adopted an "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" attitude, and 'allowed' the festivals to continue, as long as the participants put a 'Christian' interpretation to things...hence, holly was explained to represent Christ's crown of thorns, etc. But you would have been hard-pressed to find anything resembling our modern holiday...even more hard-pressed to find anything representing a RELIGIOUS OBSERVANCE, other than a possible midnight Mass (which gave the name to the holiday, e.g. "Christ's Mass")...most festivities more closely resembled modern-day Mardi Gras, with people dressing in costume, and a wild, licentious, lascivious time being enjoyed by all... EASTER is the main holiday of the Christian church, the observance which gives the religion it's whole meaning, and not Christmas... HAPPY HANNAKAH AND A VERY BLESSED CHRISTMAS! You're 2 weeks late on Hannukah... June |===SEASONS===GREETINGS==| | \ /| | *~o) )_ )_ )_ )_ - * - | | |`--) , ,_),_),_),_/ / \| | ``^^^`` /~\/~\/~\/~\| || | / / / | | | \ / (((((( -+- | | - * -.-#--..-#-..--#-. | | | /|\/__\ /_\ /__\ /-\ | |__//|\\| [] [] || [] [] || [] [] |___/---\___ldb__| *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor
[CTRL] Complete Text of EO Was Re: [CTRL] Treaty Executive Order 13107
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/26/98 4:58:19 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- From world net daily, haven't had time to check it out yet. Joseph Farah Executive Order 13107 From where do our rights descend? The Bill of Rights? No. The Constitution? No. The Federal government? No. The United Nations? Certainly not. But, apparently, that's what Bill Clinton thinks. For earlier this month, Dec. 10 to be exact, he issued another one of his infamous executive orders -- this time on "the implementation of human rights treaties." In Executive Order 13107, Clinton sets up a new federal bureaucracy for the purpose of implementing U.N. treaties, whether ratified by the U.S. Senate or not. And that federal bureaucracy will implement the treaties on the U.N.'s terms. Read below. There is no new federal bureaucracy being set up. The EO sets up a "Interagency Working Group on Human Rights Treaties" but as people who know the government, their are many Interagency working groups on many things. --Begin EO-- THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate Release December 10, 1998 EXECUTIVE ORDER - - - - - - - IMPLEMENTATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS TREATIES By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and bearing in mind the obligations of the United States pursuant to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CAT), the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD), and other relevant treaties concerned with the protection and promotion of human rights to which the United States is now or may become a party in the future, it is hereby ordered as follows: Section 1. Implementation of Human Rights Obligations. (a) It shall be the policy and practice of the Government of the United States, being committed to the protection and promotion of human rights and fundamental freedoms, fully to respect and implement its obligations under the international human rights treaties to which it is a party, including the ICCPR, the CAT, and the CERD. (b) It shall also be the policy and practice of the Government of the United States to promote respect for international human rights, both in our relationships with all other countries and by working with and strengthening the various international mechanisms for the promotion of human rights, including, inter alia, those of the United Nations, the International Labor Organization, and the Organization of American States. Sec. 2. Responsibility of Executive Departments and Agencies. (a) All executive departments and agencies (as defined in 5 U.S.C. 101-105, including boards and commissions, and hereinafter referred to collectively as "agency" or "agencies") shall maintain a current awareness of United States international human rights obligations that are relevant to their functions and shall perform such functions so as to respect and implement those obligations fully. The head of each agency shall designate a single contact officer who will be responsible for overall coordination of the implementation of this order. Under this order, all such agencies shall retain their established institutional roles in the implementation, interpretation, and enforcement of Federal law and policy. (b) The heads of agencies shall have lead responsibility, in coordination with other appropriate agencies, for questions concerning implementation of human rights obligations that fall within their respective operating and program responsibilities and authorities or, to the extent that matters do not fall within the operating and program responsibilities and authorities of any agency, that most closely relate to their general areas of concern. Sec. 3. Human Rights Inquiries and Complaints. Each agency shall take lead responsibility, in coordination with other appropriate agencies, for responding to inquiries, requests for information, and complaints about violations of human rights obligations that fall within its areas of responsibility or, if the matter does not fall within its areas of responsibility, referring it to the appropriate agency for response. Sec. 4. Interagency Working Group on Human Rights Treaties. (a) There is hereby established an Interagency Working Group on Human Rights Treaties for the purpose of providing guidance, oversight, and coordination with respect to questions concerning the adherence to and implementation of human rights obligations
Re: [CTRL] June: CHRISTMAS WISHES
-Caveat Lector- Very interesting discussion. It reminds me of the "investigator" who discovered that the famous photo of John-John saluting as his father's body - resting on the hose-drawn caisson - passed him. The investigator discovered that John-John was actually saluting a serviceman [I can't remember which branch]. My reaction then is the same as it is today: TMI [TOO MUCH INFORMATION!] Most people who are fairly well-read are fully aware of the pagan history behind the various "holidays," however that doesn't mean we need to turn into Scrooge at the mention of Jesus. I am also aware of the root of the word "holiday," however y'all are missing my point: Why do newscasters always refer to Ramadan and Hannakah as "Religious observances," while Christian observances are always "holidays?" Isn't that their bugaboo, "discrimination?" Secondly, please don't blame Mike. He didn't write that note [Lord, you would think it was an attack on the US Constitution or Old Glory!]. He simply was included in sending everybody his SINCERE wishes for a happy and blessed season. Understand something: We come from the old school, when it was considered GOOD to wish people well - and WE ARE NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT. NOR DO WE WISH TO BE! We are not attacking. Why are you? P.S. I was including Hannakuh for the benefit of our Jewish friends - and they generally celebrate throughout December - just as the Christians and people of other faiths do. Mercy! Are we still in America? Or is it now Amerika? Hilary Thomas wrote: -Caveat Lector- A quick tour of churches in Britain will clarify any confusion on the subject. Most churches are built on top of pagan "hot spots." Hilary -Original Message- From: Edward Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 10:48 AM Subject: [CTRL] June: CHRISTMAS WISHES -Caveat Lector- June: Excellent post! Very few people are aware of the pagan origins of modern Christian observances such as Christ-Mass. (Everyone should check out the origin of the use of Christmas trees!) Your words are, as usual, brilliantly enlightening in a non-threatening manner. Someone should take lessons from you :-) BTW, wasn't there a study some years ago pertaining to the calculation of Christ's birth around the Roman census--purportedly between January and April? Edward On Fri, 25 Dec 1998, MShrum wrote: Remember, contrary to what the advertisers and the media would have you believe, this is not a "holiday." It is a religious observance [the term they always use for our Arab friends: Ramadan]. Christmas is to honor the birth of the Christ child. Well, to begin with, the term 'holiday' comes from the contraction of the word 'holy day', so your objection to the word is meaningless. Secondly, there is NOTHING about December 25th that has ANYTHING to do with the birth of Jesus the Christ, except that the Roman Catholic church decided to put a 'Christian' veneer on pre-existing pagan celebrations of the season... Evidence points to either a spring or an early autumnal birthdate for Jesus the Christ (currently, spring is favored in scholarly circles, based on a comet which would have been visible in the spring of 5 BCE... but other evidence in the past has been used to argue for an early autumn birthdate)... Either way, the beginning of winter could NOT have been the actual birth date of Jesus the Christ...it was a date that fell in the middle of the ancient Roman Saturnalia...it was also the date the followers of Mithras claimed was the birthdate of Mithras...and it also roughly corresponded with the Yule festivities of the pagan northern European tribes.. So the Church, after centuries of trying to BAN Christians from participating in the various early winter festivals of their particular geographical area, adopted an "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" attitude, and 'allowed' the festivals to continue, as long as the participants put a 'Christian' interpretation to things...hence, holly was explained to represent Christ's crown of thorns, etc. But you would have been hard-pressed to find anything resembling our modern holiday...even more hard-pressed to find anything representing a RELIGIOUS OBSERVANCE, other than a possible midnight Mass (which gave the name to the holiday, e.g. "Christ's Mass")...most festivities more closely resembled modern-day Mardi Gras, with people dressing in costume, and a wild, licentious, lascivious time being enjoyed by all... EASTER is the main holiday of the Christian church, the observance which gives the religion it's whole meaning, and not Christmas... HAPPY HANNAKAH AND A VERY BLESSED CHRISTMAS! You're 2 weeks late on Hannukah... June |===SEASONS===GREETINGS==| | \ /|
[CTRL] British ET Exposure law - help required
-Caveat Lector- hi, In early 1996 - the press announced that the UK had introduced an ET exposure and quarantine law - rather like the US Federal legislation which was repealed. However making various enquiries, I find that I have been unable to see this legislation - even 2 registered letters to the Ministry of Defence Whitehall library went unanswered and follow up phone calls fruitless. This UK law may be easily accessible in the States, under the Freedom of Information Act - a political event which has been buried after UK election promises by Blair. Can you get me a Copy so that I can network it - for the benefit of many people in the UK who may have been 'exposed' thanks, Andrew Hennessey DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Treaty Executive Order 13107
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:58:07 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- From world net daily, haven't had time to check it out yet. Joseph Farah Executive Order 13107 From where do our rights descend? The Bill of Rights? No. The Constitution? No. The Federal government? No. The United Nations? Certainly not. If Congress can't kick Clinton out of office this should be enough to get the people themselves to kick Clinton out of office. Is there anything we can do, like tell Congressmen or something? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Incredible Newsweek cover--European Union Tower of Babel
-Caveat Lector- Incredible Newsweek cover -Original Message- From: craig white [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 5:57 PM Subject: Incredible Newsweek cover I purchased the special edition of Newsweek last week. The entire edition was devoted to "Euroland!". The cover contained a tower of Babel with the Euro symbol on top. For those of you with a copy, see the 2nd column on pagae 98, which briefly discusses potential rivalry between Europe and the USA. The picture next to the contents section clearly shows Germany as the largest and most important power. Of further interest, it shows Scotland as independent and on the same level as the other countries. I listened to a lecture by Sir Laurence Gardiner some months ago - he has drafted the constitution for an independent Scotland and for the Stuarts to become the legitimate ruling monarchy by default. A recent edition of the Australian Financial Review had an article which contained a paragraph on how that fabian socialist (and therefore anti-British Empire) Tony Blair will bring in a 100% politically independent Scotland within a few years. Whilst I do not object to some home rule for the Keltic peoples (given that they are descended from different tribes to the English and have a right to self-determination and a right to life), breaking up Britain has always been a Fabian dream. It has also been a dream of certain sections of the liberal East Coast Establishment. Anyway, another interesting magazine cover was Time, 25 June 1990. Its title was "Germany. Toward Unity". It showed a tree which had been hewn down, but two branches on either side had regrown into a single tree (this reminds me a little of Dan 4:23). Thought you might like to know, Craig -- Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/ For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: http://a-albionic.com/search.html ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Please Patronize PRJ's Advertisers: http://home.msen.com/~daugh/store.htm Many Pay Even If You Just Look and Don't Buy! Video Finder, Free catalogs, Health Products, Sweepstakes, Etc. *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Dear Pope - STAY HOME - Don't mess with our Constitution.
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Closed Caption [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 6:17 PM Subject: Dear Pope - STAY HOME - Don't mess with our Constitution. Dear Pope - STAY HOME - Don't mess with our Constitution. Reuters: VATICAN CITY (Reuters 12/25/98 fair use) Pope John Paul on Friday called for a ban on the death penalty around the world... commentary=cc: Article V of the Bill of Rights says that "No person shall be deprived of life... without due process of law." These clearly implies our founding fathers authorization of the death penalty. cc: I'm sorry but the Pope is meddling in US politics and our Constitution. It is probably bad manners to criticize the Pope... BUT: I believe this is just plain wrong. cc: Will the Pope cause a crime wave by setting the prisoners free? - Should we send them to the Vatican - COD? cc: There is no mechanism or LAW passed in most states to keep prisoners indefinitely without "Life Without Parole," and it is unconstitutional to pass ex-post facto laws OR change the punishment after the fact... its the LAW. Removing DEATH Sentences in States buy decree from the Federal Government will pervert the Constitution AND put murderers on the street. It has HAPPENED before where murderers were given clemency, sentences were reduced, and they got out and MURDERED again. Reuters: "May Christmas help to strengthen and renew, throughout the world, the consensus When has any Christian "Faith" relied on CONSENSUS for anything? concerning the need for urgent and adequate measures to halt the production of arms, to defend human life, to ban the death penalty...," added the Pontiff Jesus said, to sell your robe and buy a sword (ie: arms -Luke 22:36 - Anyway, the arms are not the murderers, the murderers are, you would think this spiritual observation would be obvious to a Pope. And how do people protect themselves from governmental tyranny except with arms? cc: The Death Penalty has been authorized in the Old and New Testament. In Gen. 9:6 GOD authorizes the Death Penalty: "Whoever sheds mans blood, by man his blood shall be shed..." and Paul said that "the State does not bear the sword in vain." Rom 13:4 Reuters: Later, in unprepared remarks to a crowd of Italians in St Peter's Square holding banners against capital punishment, the Pope said: "I repeat my appeal to defend MURDERERS! human life and ban the death penalty BAN GODS MANDATE FROM GEN. 9.6." Reuters: But Friday was one of his most unequivocal and unqualified calls ever for an end to the death penalty. The Pope will hold talks with U.S. President Bill Clinton in St Louis on January 26. This is NOT his job - is this mixing church and state or what? STAY at the Vatican!. Reuters: The United States in the only Western democracy to practice capital punishment... Yea! We're Number One, We're Number One , We're Number One , We're Number One Reuters:The Pope said the spirit of Christmas also should prompt people to take measures "to... to give environmental issues...the indispensable attention which they deserve..." WHAT? I'm getting a VERY bad feeling about this Pope, didn't he learn anything from Communist Poland? "My thoughts already turn to Christmas next year when, God willing, the Church shall inaugurate the Great Jubilee with the Opening of the Holy Door," he said in his sermon, slightly modifying a version released earlier to journalists which read: "...God willing, I shall inaugurate the Great Jubilee" cc: Holy Moley, What's this Holy Door? What's this Great Jubilee? Is this HIS version of the Bridge to the New Millennium, the Global Village or the New World Order? This is scary from the Pope." cc: It is sad that the POPE is emphasizing a Governmental Solution for a moral problem for which he SHOULD BE leading the fight. Did we hear the Pope say Thou shalt not Steal, or thou Shalt not Lie, or thou shalt not Commit Adultery, Mr. Clinton, and love the Lord your God... the problem of preventing sin (crime) is a moral dilemma. The State PUNISHES criminals after the fact, which may at times dissuade crime, but religion and morals PREVENT it. If I hear the Pope, he wants governments to change their laws to conform to a problem he isn't addressing, the loss of moral character associated with godless and lawless sinful people. This is the issue he should be addressing, not how to fix government, but how to repair sinful mankind through the redemption of Christ. Instead, he wants to lower the bar and apply a human solution to a spiritual problem. alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.media,rec.org .mensa,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.conspiracy Reuters: VATICAN CITY (Reuters 12/25/98 fair use) Pope John Paul on Friday called for a ban on the death penalty around the world... commentary=cc: Article V of the Bill of Rights says that "No person shall be deprived of life... without due process of law." These clearly implies our founding fathers
