Re: [CTRL] Squawk's dissertation on ignorance!!
-Caveat Lector- Materialism, greed, envy, et cetera sure seem to have a lot of negative vibes associated with it. I used to have monetary/material resources but when I realised they'd take them all away from me when I went terminally breathless, I gave up the hunt and gave much up for lent (I loaned things out -- indefinitely). I realised it was a conspiracy to become addicted to this physical plane ... they tell you all about the here-after but teach you to go to it clawing and scratching, clutching that last Ming vase (vahz). Just like Daffy Duck in the treasure trove, yelling "Mine, mine, mine ..." Homes on wheels? I have one ... it's called "efficiency". I recall an Indian (Native American) saying that went something like "Take only what you need and leave where you are/were as you found it." Antithetic to materialism, ... ? AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + -- : From: Hawk [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [CTRL] Squawk's dissertation on ignorance!! : Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 7:47 PM : : -Caveat Lector- : : Edward Britton wrote: : : Even so, given your provincial attitudes, I'll bet there's a home-on-wheels : somewhere in your history. : : How much is the bet? : : How cute: an urban assault vehicle, right? Great Caesar's ghost, you're : becoming your own stereotype! : : Yep idolized by millions. : : Glad to hear it. Who did you have to step on to do so well for yourself? : : No one at all... I provided things for people who were grateful to receive them, : and for which the compensated me. Of course, that's a foreign concept to you. : : Man, please! You wouldn't know a rational argument if it crawled up your : rectum and died! : : That's true... My arguments originate in my brain. You wouldn't be familiar with : that. : : No, but in typical right-wing fashion, you sure as hell implied it! : : I didn't imply anything of the sort... You infered what you wanted to believe. : : As for the statement you just made about "semi-poverty," do you have even the : slightest clue what life was like for native Americans BEFORE we came over : here and stole the land out from under them? My God, talk about : ignorance!! : : I have a little bit of a clue, although it is not something I have devoted a lot : of time to. I do know this... The Indians didn't own the land, and most of them : didn't even have the concept of "ownership" regarding real estate. Its difficult : to steal something from someone who doesn't own it. I will admit that the fellows : got a raw deal from the govm't... but who doesn't? : : Poor, poor Squawk! So very worried that someone is after his "stuff." Keep : crapping on people you don't know, much less understand, and your fears may : well be warranted. : : I've never crapped on anyone... whether I knew them or not. And although I do : resent having my resources extorted from me, I am not all that worried about it. : Some people give money to the Mafia as a condition of doing business... others, : such as I, give money to the govm't... Neither the govm't nor the Mafia deserve : it, and both use the threat of violence to take it... but I figure is more-or-less : a condition of doing business. As for the silly threats about what the "pore : folks is gonna do to me," I am not in the least intimidated. There's an old : military adage: "If I'm in range, THEY are in range." : : Kind of hard to say: our "founding fathers" were so much into taking what wasn't : theirs that such a noble concept was not likely to come to fruition in the minds : of bully thieves all by itself. : : So they had to be taught by the savages they were stealing from? OK... I got it. : : Hardly quaint, unless you consider the slaughter of native Americans and : the enslavement of a race of people as being quaint. : : I hadn't thought to call the native Americans "resources," although many of them : considered each other as "resources," and did a commendable job of killing and : enslaving each other. Some of the New Englanders tried to make slaves out of some : of the Indians, but the Indians kept running off, and proved to be sullen : servants... So then the New Englanders decided that slavery was bad... UNTIL, they : found that they could exchange rum for Negroes in Africa, and slavery suddenly : became "not so bad." But then, you've probably heard that story. : : Perhaps we should have "borrowed" the Indian philosophy of frugal use of : resourses as well. : : Why is that? If it is depleted, find a substitute. I am not concerned about : "frugal use of resources." If I own resources, and can sell them, I want to sell : to anyone who'll buy the
Re: [CTRL] Squawk's dissertation on ignorance!!
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Edward Britton wrote: Even so, given your provincial attitudes, I'll bet there's a home-on-wheels somewhere in your history. And, I strongly suspect, a 'little too close' relationship between first cousins, perhaps even brother and sister, in the ancestral gene pool... ;-) Glad to hear it. Who did you have to step on to do so well for yourself? Or sleep with? ;-) Poor, poor Squawk! So very worried that someone is after his "stuff." One good thing about being poor...you don't lose sleep at night worrying someone will take your 'stuff'... ;-) Personally, I think oil is more useful in my automobile than it is 6,000 feet beneath the surface of the earth... So I'm all for plundering oil and anything else that can make my life better. Oh, I wish I had read this jewel first. You would have been a far more enjoyable target of humiliation. Keep thinking that way, Squawk, and for the pursuit of a "better life, you'll be living in your own filth! You also notice Squawk is so very willing to steal someone ELSE'S resources, while worrying about preserving his own toys... For someone so focused on what a people PRODUCE, I wonder just what SQUAWK produces...other than a lot of hot air... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Squawk's dissertation on ignorance!!
-Caveat Lector- Edward Britton wrote: Even so, given your provincial attitudes, I'll bet there's a home-on-wheels somewhere in your history. How much is the bet? How cute: an urban assault vehicle, right? Great Caesar's ghost, you're becoming your own stereotype! Yep idolized by millions. Glad to hear it. Who did you have to step on to do so well for yourself? No one at all... I provided things for people who were grateful to receive them, and for which the compensated me. Of course, that's a foreign concept to you. Man, please! You wouldn't know a rational argument if it crawled up your rectum and died! That's true... My arguments originate in my brain. You wouldn't be familiar with that. No, but in typical right-wing fashion, you sure as hell implied it! I didn't imply anything of the sort... You infered what you wanted to believe. As for the statement you just made about "semi-poverty," do you have even the slightest clue what life was like for native Americans BEFORE we came over here and stole the land out from under them? My God, talk about ignorance!! I have a little bit of a clue, although it is not something I have devoted a lot of time to. I do know this... The Indians didn't own the land, and most of them didn't even have the concept of "ownership" regarding real estate. Its difficult to steal something from someone who doesn't own it. I will admit that the fellows got a raw deal from the govm't... but who doesn't? Poor, poor Squawk! So very worried that someone is after his "stuff." Keep crapping on people you don't know, much less understand, and your fears may well be warranted. I've never crapped on anyone... whether I knew them or not. And although I do resent having my resources extorted from me, I am not all that worried about it. Some people give money to the Mafia as a condition of doing business... others, such as I, give money to the govm't... Neither the govm't nor the Mafia deserve it, and both use the threat of violence to take it... but I figure is more-or-less a condition of doing business. As for the silly threats about what the "pore folks is gonna do to me," I am not in the least intimidated. There's an old military adage: "If I'm in range, THEY are in range." Kind of hard to say: our "founding fathers" were so much into taking what wasn't theirs that such a noble concept was not likely to come to fruition in the minds of bully thieves all by itself. So they had to be taught by the savages they were stealing from? OK... I got it. Hardly quaint, unless you consider the slaughter of native Americans and the enslavement of a race of people as being quaint. I hadn't thought to call the native Americans "resources," although many of them considered each other as "resources," and did a commendable job of killing and enslaving each other. Some of the New Englanders tried to make slaves out of some of the Indians, but the Indians kept running off, and proved to be sullen servants... So then the New Englanders decided that slavery was bad... UNTIL, they found that they could exchange rum for Negroes in Africa, and slavery suddenly became "not so bad." But then, you've probably heard that story. Perhaps we should have "borrowed" the Indian philosophy of frugal use of resourses as well. Why is that? If it is depleted, find a substitute. I am not concerned about "frugal use of resources." If I own resources, and can sell them, I want to sell to anyone who'll buy them... Its called "doing business." Then, maybe, we could have had both a clean environment AND a materialistic technology at the same time. I'm in favor of a clean environment... Excessive development of resources usually isn't the root cause of an unclean environment. Sometimes, but not always. And besides, if you don't own the resources, what business is it of yours whether or not the owner squanders them? Oh, I wish I had read this jewel first. You would have been a far more enjoyable target of humiliation. Keep thinking that way, Squawk, and for the pursuit of a "better life, you'll be living in your own filth! Funny... your theory hasn't seemed to be right yet. Seems as though its the people who expect others to pay their way that usually reside in filth. My neighborhood's pretty clean... We have Mexicans who do the work... (Thought you'd like that.) Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.
