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Re: Meatspace
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a response to the claim was that the Panther's repression of internal dissent was somehow a result of CIA mindrays making them do evil things. They did evil things because they were bad people. What a simplistic and self serving viewpoint. What I do is ok because I'm a good person, what they do is bad because they're bad people. More angels among men crap. Got a newsflash bubba, people(!) do both good and bad things. There is no such thing as a 'good' or a bad 'person' per se. Just self-serving bigotry and self-justification, and nobody escapes either. -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
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Re: Rallies on Monday
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 10:39:06PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: An unconstitutional law. A law which limits freedom in a country which is ultimately governed by Congress shall make no law... If you can't catch that clue, there is no hope. The interesting thing in this case is that Dmitry was not arrested for discussing or revealing information about Adobe's arguably-sucky copy protection system. If you read the FBI affidavit (http://cryptome.org/usa-v-sklyarov.htm), you'll note that the FBI seems only concerned about his commercial activities: [ ... ] That's because the DMCA only makes commercial circumvention a crime: (a) In general. -- Any person who violates section 1201 or 1202 willfully and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain, Wrong. See that phrase 'private financial gain'? That means that any(!!!) activity, private or commercial, which reduces the cash flow INTO the corporation is a legitimate target. So simply talking about it is most definitely a crime. So, while in this case they may not have decided to go this route, the route is still there. -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CDR: Re: Killing the G8 Anarchists
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 10:37:48AM -0700, Morlock Elloi wrote: Cato is the first place that I visit when curious about the current agenda of the unique mix of libertarian/new world order propaganda. So instead of responding to the text of the article, you rant about the author. That's intellectual integrity about on the level of many of those anti-property rights protests. You fucking hypocrite. At least half the crap you spew is nothing more than ad hominims. -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: Killing the G8 Anarchists
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote: Dunno... Seeing what went down in Gothenburg, and the shit that's going on now in Genoa, I too am beginning to think there is something very wrong with all this... Duh. What was your first clue? The property-destroying anarchists are giving anarchy a bad name. Agreed. Actually its a clear demonstration of the paucity of 'anarchist' solutions to social situations and how ill fit it is to human psychology. Some never learn, they keep hoping for angels among men. -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: Killing the G8 Anarchists
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 12:14:52AM -0700, Morlock Elloi wrote: You are a ... journalist ??? Everyone's a journalist nowadays. They always were. The 'commercial' distinction about 'press' is a false and unconstitutional distinction. The Constitution speaks of 'the press', not as a bunch of fame and profit seeking opportunists, but as a free and available mechanism for individuals to discuss their views and desires (this mailing list is a perfect example as is a private mailbox. What todays modern press does is a bastardization of intent and a whoring for fame and profit; as opposed to fostering real discussion and change in our society. Some Jefferson quotes to demonstrate the distinction: No government ought to be without censors; and when the press is free, no one ever will. Nature has given to man no other means of sifting out the truth either in religion, law or politics. I think it as honorable to the government neither to know or notice its sycophants or censors as it would be undignified and criminal to pamper the former and persecute the latter. At a very early period in my life I determined never to put a sentence into any newspaper. I have religiously adhered to the resolution through my life and have great reason to be contented with it. Were I to undertake to answer the calumnies of the newspapers it would be more than all my time and twenty aids could effect. For, while I should be answering one, twenty new ones would be invented. I have thought it better to trust to the justice of my countrymen that they would judge me by what they see of my conduct on the stage they have placed me. Their anti-property rights slogans, their disdain for private property, their embrace of socialist and Marxist ideology? See a nice writeup on this point that Cato's Aaron Lucas sent to my Politech list: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02281.html You lump the majority into a fraction. A prime example of the self-serving dellusion of cash and fame on the truth. -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: [free-sklyarov] Re: Rallies on Monday
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Seth Finkelstein wrote: While this is true, there's a very deep issue in the definition of protected. No there isn't, it's just that '...no law...' is onconvenient for people who believe they are angels among men: Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The problem is better rendered that the courts have taken the view that the protection of (intellectual) *property rights* trumps the free-speech concerns here. The problem is that courts believe they can interpret the constitution instead of as actually worded, being limited to laws made 'under' the constutition. A major distinction. -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CNN.com - Family remembers G8 protester - July 21, 2001
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: I'm sympathetic to the deceased's family. But it strikes me that if you assault a police vehicle with armed cops inside with the evident intent to do physical harm, you'd better be wearing a bulletproof vest. That has yet to be proven. Simply tumping a vehicle over is not in and of itself 'intent to do physical harm'. You assume, without evidence, that the protestors even knew the van was occupied. Further, you assume that the protestor shot was actually involved. Further, you assume that the store the police stated is accurate. A lot of assumptions for somebody who is supposed to be unbiased as a journalist. (Of course we know you're neither) -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
RE: [spam score 10.00/10.0 -pobox] State appeals court says ignorance no defense in wiretapping
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Re: Ashcroft Targets U.S. Cybercrime
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 01:55:12PM -0700, John Young wrote: Why bust Dmitry and not the head of ElcomSoft if the primary crime is commercial gain? That he is claimed to be the copyright holder is thin stuff, for that does not support his being the main commercial beneficiary (unless the FBI has evidence that was not revealed about Elcomsoft's internal finances). The problem with this analysis is that he does not have to be the main commercial beneficiary for the charges to stick. The problem is that no 'beneficiary' is required, only 'intent'. -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CNN.com - Family remembers G8 protester - July 21, 2001
On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 09:58:54AM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: I'm sympathetic to the deceased's family. But it strikes me that if you assault a police vehicle with armed cops inside with the evident intent to do physical harm, you'd better be wearing a bulletproof vest. That has yet to be proven. Simply tumping a vehicle over is not in and of itself 'intent to do physical harm'. You assume, without evidence, that the protestors even knew the van was occupied. Further, you assume that the protestor shot was actually involved. Further, you assume that the store the police stated is accurate. A close look at the Reuters photo sequence shows that these assumptions are in truth conclusions. A lot of assumptions for somebody who is supposed to be unbiased as a journalist. Hahahahahahaha. -Declan
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RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists,
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, 100% Paradoxically, I also agree that the fucking shit up is often necessary to generate suffucient public recognition of the issues at hand. No, I don't have an answer to this paradox. Paradoxes arise, usually, because the relationship is being viewed in the wrong context. Read the first two para's of the DoI for one solution to the 'paradox'. -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
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Exactly, and democracy is as unpopular as always for those who believe they should somehow 'lead' others 'less able'. I am not one who fears the people. Thomas Jefferson On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Anonymous wrote: The real issue is the fact that the battle takes place. Contrary to the statements made by current world leaders, this is democracy in action. -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CNN.com - Family remembers G8 protester - July 21, 2001
On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: That has yet to be proven. Simply tumping a vehicle over is not in and of itself 'intent to do physical harm'. You assume, without evidence, that the protestors even knew the van was occupied. Further, you assume that the protestor shot was actually involved. Further, you assume that the store the police stated is accurate. A close look at the Reuters photo sequence shows that these assumptions are in truth conclusions. Actually no, they don't. All they show is a group of people turning a van over. As to addressing their 'intent', especially with respect to 'harming the cops' they say nothing. Photo's don't capture the mind. -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: Geek Profiling Upheld by Appeals Court
On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote: (BTW, the poem was pretty evocative, as far as I can tell.) Irrelevant. Further, good poetry is supposed to be evocative. -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: Rallies on Monday
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Reese wrote: Just my 2 cents (after about 12 beers...) A little crazy? No. A lot drunk. Take two aspirin with the handful of clue pills, you'll need them. Besides, being drunk is no excuse for beind stupid. I mean, I boast a good in-excess-of-1-per-mille alcohol intoxication at the moment, and still manage to write in a relatively rational manner. Being drunk does *not* mean one is exempt from displaying manners, or that one can safely switch off one's intellect. Then, if one really can't cope with drugs as strong as alcohol, but still wants take them, sure. One just shouldn't be surprised if that leads to behavior one might regret later. He really does seem to need a clue pill. Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], gsm: +358-50-5756111 student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front
Re: CDR: Re: Killing the G8 Anarchists
On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 10:00:54AM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: You fucking hypocrite. At least half the crap you spew is nothing more than ad hominims. In many a distant land, one can hear the laugher as it rolls over hills and into valleys; just as those gripped by hilarity at its source roll over papers and into furniture. -- ___ ___ . . ___ \/ |\ |\ \ _\_ /__ |-\ |-\ \__
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After reading the handful of messages that made it through lne.com's filters, I double-checked my trash directory to see what my own filters had thrown away. Some kind of new record: 18 messages from Choate, posted during just a 2-hour period this morning. From the headers, most look to be Choategrams giving us pointers to what Yahoo or CNN make readily available. (One pulled at random: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/ap/20010721/wl/summit_protests_46.html Summit Protests Rage for Second Day) Gee, Choate, how would we know about yesterday's news, reported widely, discussed here, if you didn't pass on a pointer to Yahoo? Some would call it mail-bombing the list to disrupt it. Perhaps. But I expect it's just plain cluelessness. Some kind of URL Tourette's Syndrome. Thank Baal for filtering tools. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May [EMAIL PROTECTED]Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns
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Re: Ashcroft Targets U.S. Cybercrime
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Re: Adobe's Teeth. (Was: Re: [free-sklyarov] Re: Rallies on Monday)
On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote: Exercise your right to free speech. Do it carefully. Not carefully. Wisely. And what pray tell is 'wisely'? -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: A new record? 18 Choategrams this morning!
Coincidentally, before reading this, I finally decided to killfile Choate. I'm not sure whether it was the inane nuttiness, the weird quoting of the First Amendment with metronome regularity, or the loopy argument that protesters trying to trash a police van were really doing that by way of polite introduction before perhaps extending an invite to afternoon tea. Anyway, thanks to the graces of procmail, I now have a trash folder, and a sincere expectation that my cypherpunks traffic will fall in volume while rising in quality by 20 percent. -Declan On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 09:54:35AM -0700, Tim May wrote: After reading the handful of messages that made it through lne.com's filters, I double-checked my trash directory to see what my own filters had thrown away. Some kind of new record: 18 messages from Choate, posted during just a 2-hour period this morning. From the headers, most look to be Choategrams giving us pointers to what Yahoo or CNN make readily available. (One pulled at random: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/ap/20010721/wl/summit_protests_46.html Summit Protests Rage for Second Day) Gee, Choate, how would we know about yesterday's news, reported widely, discussed here, if you didn't pass on a pointer to Yahoo? Some would call it mail-bombing the list to disrupt it. Perhaps. But I expect it's just plain cluelessness. Some kind of URL Tourette's Syndrome. Thank Baal for filtering tools. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May [EMAIL PROTECTED]Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns
Re: G8, issues, and familiarity
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Faustine wrote: Jim wrote: CNN's poll is asking Are you familiar with the issues behind the G8 summit. 58% said No. Perhaps the protesting will help motivate more to educate themselves. True, that would be great. But how many of the remaining 42 percent consider themselves educated, but are nevertheless content to mindlessly repeat mickey mouse platitudes and propaganda spoon-fed to them from on high, and who couldn't pass a rudimentary econ 101 test if their lives depended on it? That's a pretty simplistic view: If they don't know then it's their fault for not being educated. Whose fault is it then? Anyone well-off enough to be reading CNN online hasn't got much of reason not to educate themselves. Nobody gets a free pass--I take responsibility for my own ignorance, and don't feel the need to be ashamed of it because I'm actively working to overcome it every day. Believe it or not, I went from being a high school dropout literally living on the street to a PhD student with a research job entirely on my own, with nothing to get me there but will and intelligence: why should I feel an ounce of sympathy for people with far more material advantages than I ever had who never made use of them? If they claim they do know then it must be platitudes and propoganda. No, I'm just disgusted with the majority of the great smug, lazy, and complacent middle class of America. I find their peculiar brand of mushheadded apathy to be beneath contempt. One of my hot buttons, I guess. More analysis, less rhetoric. Analysis is rhetoric, just better organized. John von Neumann is spinning in his grave... Lies, damn lies, statistics. Bah! How about this one: The fundamental difference between engineering with and without statistics boils down to the difference between the use of a scientific method based upon the concept of laws of nature that do not allow for chance or uncertainty and a scientific method based upon the concept of laws of probability as an attribute of nature. - W.A.Shewhart There!! :) ~Faustine.
Re: Killing the G8 Anarchists
At 10:37 AM -0700 7/21/01, Morlock Elloi wrote: Their anti-property rights slogans, their disdain for private property, their embrace of socialist and Marxist ideology? See a nice writeup on this point that Cato's Aaron Lucas sent to my Politech list: Cato is the first place that I visit when curious about the current agenda of the unique mix of libertarian/new world order propaganda. Translating protesters' agenda to anti-property *is* pure propaganda designed to scare god-fearing middle class cypherpunks that somehow they will lose some of their property should G8 protesters seize the world government (BTW, it would be interesting to see what is the net worth of cpunkers and how that influences their positions :-) As the word communist loses its strength new words are needed to instill fear, and anti-property is a nice catchall. It's all in the language. You also enumerate ideologies with implicit assumption that they are bad. So whatever can be labeled marxist or socialist is somehow horrible. You don't say WHAT is bad about it, you *assume* that everyone will jump to the bandwagon and agree that it's something bad. Kill the commies. This is a classic propaganda technique. Wanna bet? Marxist, socialist and communist ideologies are bad because at some level they assume that society has a *right* to the output of my labour above and beyond the level that I consume from society. That is slavery. (To put this another way, it is legitimate for society to force me to pay for what I consume, it has a right (tho' this word is meaningless when it comes to an abstraction like society) to my productive labour *ONLY* to the point where it pays for what I use. Marxist, Socialists, communists, Nazis and Fascists have the further problem of believing (for the most part) in massively centralized planning structures. In societies of about 100k people, these fail miserably, and don't work all that well in smaller groups. I will not bother citing sources that have exactly the opposite PoV from Cato's - you can look them up yourself. The point of a discussion is not spamming each other with pre-digested, ready-to-wear, downloaded simplifications but to inject some of own experience and induction. Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
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Re: CNN.com - Family remembers G8 protester - July 21, 2001
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