Re: ssh keys in ldap
Jason == Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jason If nobody can see why this would be a bad idea I will Jason deploy this system on db.debian.org and the debian.org Jason machines in the near future. I hope that when lsh becomes Jason usable a similar patch to it can be made. It's definitely quite usable. Hopefully it won't encourage more people to keep their private keys in, well, not-so-private places. :) -- Brought to you by the letters B and X and the number 9. It makes my nipples hard! Debian GNU/Linux maintainer of Gimp and GTK+ -- http://www.debian.org/
Re: Funding for a Crazy Idea
Hello Craig, I would guess that you are one of Aaron Sloman's students from the University of Birmingham in the UK. Am I right? My comment about NATO having improved was in respect of their previous treatment of countries like Portugal, Greece and Turkey as sensitive areas. My reservations about looking for funds from NATO were that many people might not like to associate Debian in any way with a largely military organisation. However NATO is actually a treaty organisation with a lot of none military activities. Promoting peace and stability is supposed to be one of their main activities - which they do by promoting peaceful projects between many different countries. As to the horrific circumstances in the Balkan states, I do not believe that any sensible person would take sides. The activities on all sides were appalling. They were all entirely due to hot-headed politicians on all sides spouting hatred in the same way you have done in your e-mail to me. If more people cooled their heads and stopped listening to crazy politicians, we could have world peace. If Debian can turn some of NATOs funds to good purpose - promoting a vast international project of cooperation - then this would be a great victory for Peace. Best wishes, Helen McCall E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 01752 342675 Fax: 08700 525850 --- On 25 Sep 1999, Craig Brozefsky wrote: Date: 25 Sep 1999 12:31:52 -0700 From: Craig Brozefsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Helen McCall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED], debian-devel@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Funding for a Crazy Idea Helen McCall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have just been looking at the NATO web site, and they appear to have changed for the better in recent years. Now they make no reference to sensitive areas. Their science and technology programmes are now more generally aimed at promoting world peace! Uhm, they did just bomb Yugoslavia into the stone age, and basically force an occupation of Kosovo, failed to disarm the KLA, and are now just handing over the horrible mess THEY made in the region to the U.N. right as winter sets in. To top it all off the continental European partners are none to pleased with the U.S. and it's lapdog the U.K. and many see NATO as a brain-dead buearocracy just about to go into death throes as the alliance falls apart. The idea that NATO is all about world peace is ludicrous. You'd have to be willingly blind to nearly everything they have ever done in order to actually believe that bit of propoganda. Are you so out of it that you believe a website more than history? I hope that Debian does not resort to begging bald-faced lying war powers for cash. -- Craig Brozefsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free Scheme/Lisp Software http://www.red-bean.com/~craig riot shields. voodoo economics. its just business. cattle prods and the IMF. - Radiohead, OK Computer, Electioneering
basic c thing
Hello, Im just beginning to mess my hands into c, so i need some tips... i want to make a program that will rename all dirs in the current dir position to dir-name-renamed. rename files instead of dirs would help me a lot too... i cannot figure out how to do this. can u send me some tips? PD: what would u recomend me? ansi C by KR or the practial c programming by orelly?? thanks, - Phillip Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Status of GNOME in potato
Vincent Renardias [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: gnome-libs-1.0.40.tar.gz The main GNOME libraries * current Debian version: 1.0.10-3 [NMU of 1.0.40-0.1 is in Incoming/] I am committed to keeping this up to date. If Steve Haslam doesn't show up soon, I'm going to adopt it. Mike.
Re: Running daemons without asking for permission on install
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Which reminds me, it might be nice for Debian to run something akin to a port scanner locally from cron.daily or something, so that the sysadmin will notice such problems better. (Optionally, and not reporting ports that the sysadmin knows are OK.) How about something like (beware - quick hack): netstat -a | grep -vE '(kerberos|finger|ftp|pop-3)' That will list all connections and active ports, except for those with kerberos, finger, ftp and pop-3 listed. I imagine it would be easy to make that more robust, but you should get the general idea. Perhaps you may only want to include lines with *:* so that active connections are not counted. -- Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Announcing debconf, configuration management for debian
Previously Joey Hess wrote: Not really. I named it dpkg-reconfigure for a reason. :-) Have you thought about how you want to integrate it? I've been looking into that a bit and it's not trivial. Wichert. -- == This combination of bytes forms a message written to you by Wichert Akkerman. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.wi.leidenuniv.nl/~wichert/ pgpTAyzSjrEhY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: possible problem with new perl, libc6 on Sep 23rd
Previously Joey Hess wrote:
if (lstat(pathname,stab)) return -1;
if (S_ISREG(stab.st_mode) ? (stab.st_mode | 07000) :
!(S_ISLNK(stab.st_mode) || S_ISDIR(stab.st_mode) ||
S_ISFIFO(stab.st_mode) || S_ISSOCK(stab.st_mode))) {
You found a nice little bug in there: (stab.st_mode | 07000) should be
(stab.st_mode 07000). I guess it's time for a new NMU..
Wichert.
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Re: anarchism_7.7-1.deb
On Sat, 25 Sep 1999, Craig Sanders wrote: On Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 05:59:07PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: The criterion should be utility. wrong. we've had this censorship discussion many times before. the only criteria for inclusion in debian is: Yes I know. I remember it happening at least twice in relation to this package and I remember the purity package debate too. What I was trying to address was this notion that keeps coming up that if you disallow one of this type of package you must disallow them all. It doesn't follow. Some packages are worth more than others. Worth is often hard to define but not impossible. Debian may not want to get into the definition business but that doesn't mean it can't be done and circumstances may force it too. - is it free? - could someone be bothered doing the work of packaging it? if the answer to both questions is yes, then there is no justification for refusing the package. Yes but the maintainer should also ask - Does it enhance Debian? Not because he has to but because he should want to. And other developers and users should feel free to comment. The reason is that we are not just shoveling packages on a CD but at least trying to put together a finished product. Sure we decide to make the packages we are interested in but we also enjoy making a thing that other people enjoy and use. That's why we are making a public distribution rather than just working alone in our basements. I could GPL the contents of my /tmp directory and debianize and upload it right now. But I won't. Not because someone is forcing me not to but because it's no good for Debian to have such a pointless package clogging up it's diskspace and bandwidth. I'm also looking at the packages I already maintain and I'm going to orphan or maintain privately the ones which I don't think add anything to the dist. Even if it isn't official Debian policy, IMO (and I stress this is my opinion) more people should think this way. The Bible as a literary and cultural foundation of Western civilization will be useful to a lot more people than the Anarchism package. 'utility' is a subjective thing. i personally would find the anarchist faq far more useful and interesting than (a bad translation of) religious texts. I understand. But would the entire Debian constituency? (Which is what? Just the developers? Developers + users? All Linux users...) If we are interested we could find out. This has been a bit of a rant. Let me try and add something constructive. It looks like we are going to 3 CDs. In the future we will only get bigger. How do we manage that growth while not irritating users (swapping CDs sucks) or censoring maintainers? One approach which has been suggested is to make extra cds by section. So a data CD could include the bible, anarchy FAQ etc. Perhaps at some point there will be a ham radio cd, electronics cd etc. This has the advantage of being infinitely extensible but I worry that it narrows the scope of Debian for the general user as most CD vendors especially the cheap ones will probably not bother with the extra CDs. I would rather see the core Debian containing a sampling of all the various types of free software available and the far-out esoteric stuff would be addons. That way people would at least be exposed to different things even if they weren't able to get really in-depth with just the basic Debian CDs. The big fly in the ointment is how to decide what gets into the core because as you point out, it is very subjective. I think the popularity-contest is a good way to help with this. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Funding for a Crazy Idea
I will close my comments on this thread by saying that Debian's acceptance of funds from NATO would prolly result in severe upheaval. Not JUST because of NATO's history of atrocities, but because its a non-inclusive political organizations which seeks to advance its member states thru a collusion of military power. An investigation into the requirements for membership make this rather obvious. With regards to raising funds for this event, perhaps an international sponsorship pool would be suitable? Defray the costs to as many users and supports as possible. I understand the advantages of a single large meeting, but perhaps also attempting to facilitate the organization and execution of smaller, perhaps more frequent meetings with easier logistics would also be helpful. As to the horrific circumstances in the Balkan states, I do not believe that any sensible person would take sides. The activities on all sides were appalling. Yes, but that does not mean we should not act responsbily and attempt to figure out what happened. We should not assume a position of aghast horror and shock lapsing into passivity at the atrocities that our governments perpetrated in our name. Claiming that all sides are equally responsibly does not serve the truth, but only calms our own guilty conscious. When bombs are dropped, it's prolly a good thing to try and figure out why, and it's everyone's fault is not really an answer we should accept. Ask the Roma. Sensible persons do indeed investigate these atrocities and attempt to unravel that which our governments may attempt to portray as undecipherable ethnic conflicts in hopes of covering up their own roles in their escalation. I urge you and others to investigate the history of the area, in particular the role of NATO and western nations in the breakup of Yugoslavia, the rise to power of Milosevic, and the escalation of the conflict at Rambuillet into a military operation against civilians. Also, those paying attention to the situation now, after CNN and MSNBC coverage has dropped it, may find the events very telling, like reading bones. If Debian can turn some of NATOs funds to good purpose - promoting a vast international project of cooperation - then this would be a great victory for Peace. Do you think they would give us much more than what it costs them to buy a few thousand rounds of depleted uranium ammo? I think we can be fairly sure that any funds set aside for peace promotion are already accounted for and our reception of funds will make no real difference to the budget for their arsenal. One should not forget what a serial killer has done because he helps you carry in the groceries. I've already received another email suggestion that our use of funds form NATO would be a diversion of funds from their war chest. That's just a lame rationalization that is willingly naive about the budgeting practices of such large organizations. Accepting such funds would only legitamize NATO's lip-service to peace and to alienate many Debian Developers and users. PS: For the record, I am not a student of Aaron Sloman, but have helped him a bit with the Free Poplog release, contributed a few fixes, and talk with him via email on occasion. I never went to college and work professionally as a software developer, mostly with Free Software. Did you do google search or something to get that impression, or are my poitics that close to his? -- Craig Brozefsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free Scheme/Lisp Software http://www.red-bean.com/~craig riot shields. voodoo economics. its just business. cattle prods and the IMF. - Radiohead, OK Computer, Electioneering
Re: anarchism_7.7-1.deb
On 25 Sep 1999, Rainer Weikusat wrote: You might equally well consider this for yourself. Other people (including other people belonging to your particular religion) might regard different things as offensive than you do. If one is worried about how something is going to be viewed by Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists isn't it a good idea to ASK THEM before assuming you know what they are going to say? This is condescending at best and racist at worst. I don't know about Muslims or Buddhists but I can speak authoritatively on Hinduism. There is no basis for considering the Bible offensive. Irrelevant maybe not offensive. Individual Hindus may disagree but that is their personal opinion and has nothing to do with our religion. Just compare the two statements: 'People of religion X might find religion Y's documents offensive.' 'This is what Christians always do.' Given that I didn't say that (This is what Christians are often accused of has a totally different meaning.), I fail to see your point. And then, please, try to figure out, who should be told to stick to his own prejudices and stop trying to speak for other people. The person who was trying to speak for others. (Hint: Not me.) The criterion should be utility. The Bible as a literary and cultural foundation of Western civilization will be useful to a lot more people than the Anarchism package. You don't try to speak for me again, do you? Nope. I'm expressing the opinion that more people will use the Bible than an Anarchy faq. Granted I don't have scientific proof of that (except that I've noticed millions of people interested in Christianity and only a handful of graduate student types interested in Anarchy.) but that doesn't mean we can't do some kind of test to see if I'm right or wrong. How is that speaking for you? There's a nice (though somewhat rude) proverb in Germany about the validity of arguments by greater numbers like this: Shit must be something great to eat. Millions of flies just can't be wrong. This is based on a logical fallacy. (I don't know what the Western term is but it is hetvabhasa in Sanskrit I believe.) The problem domain is insufficiently defined. Are we talking what's great to eat for people or for all living thing? If just people what flies eat is irrelevant. If all living things, than yes, shit is relatively great to eat. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh keys in ldap
Previously Jason Gunthorpe wrote: I would like a couple people to look over this patch I have made to SSH. It creates a new option that allows ssh to lookup RSA authentication keys in a global file modeled after the shadow password file. Does this support multiple keys? Wichert. -- == This combination of bytes forms a message written to you by Wichert Akkerman. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.wi.leidenuniv.nl/~wichert/ pgpXRF3lsyi3r.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: anarchism_7.7-1.deb
On Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 09:10:19PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: - is it free? - could someone be bothered doing the work of packaging it? if the answer to both questions is yes, then there is no justification for refusing the package. Yes but the maintainer should also ask - Does it enhance Debian? if it is useful or interesting to even one person then it enhances debian. in other words, this is not a useful question to ask - if it wasn't of value to at least one person then they would not have bothered to package it. many of the packages in debian are in debian because the maintainer felt that they were useful to them personallyif others benefit from it too, that is good but it is sufficient that the maintainer has, by their work, made debian that much more useful to themself. i, and i guess many other developers, originally joined debian so that some useful tool or program would become part of debian. this is one of the strengths of debian...all of us are here because we want to make debian better or more useful, and one of the prime motivators is to make it more useful to ourselves. our policy and technical standards are a framework which allows us all to do that without conflicting too much with each other. Not because he has to but because he should want to. And other developers and users should feel free to comment. yes, others are free to comment but there is no justification other than non-freeness for excluding a package from debian. The reason is that we are not just shoveling packages on a CD but at least trying to put together a finished product. and it is the maintainers job to create their package according to policy so that it becomes a smoothly integrated part of the whole that is debian. 'utility' is a subjective thing. i personally would find the anarchist faq far more useful and interesting than (a bad translation of) religious texts. I understand. But would the entire Debian constituency? (Which is what? Just the developers? Developers + users? All Linux users...) If we are interested we could find out. it's irrelevant whether other debian developers or users agree with me or disagree with me about the relative utility of these two packages. by not censoring packages, by refusing to censor packages, we create a distribution which is good and useful for everyone - not just those whose needs are the same as the censors. some find the bible package useful and i don't begrudge them that - if it makes debian more useful to them then it is a good thing that it is included. we should not be censoring, we should not be saying the bible is good but the koran or bhagavid gita or even the anarchist faq is worthless. or vice-versa. if something is free and someone does the work to package it then we accept it in the distribution. This has been a bit of a rant. Let me try and add something constructive. It looks like we are going to 3 CDs. In the future we will only get bigger. How do we manage that growth while not irritating users (swapping CDs sucks) or censoring maintainers? most suggestions have been variations of the following idea: to put all doc and data packages (especially those not directly associated with a program) on a CD by themselves. that seems like a good idea to me. One approach which has been suggested is to make extra cds by section. So a data CD could include the bible, anarchy FAQ etc. Perhaps at some point there will be a ham radio cd, electronics cd etc. This has the advantage of being infinitely extensible but I worry that it narrows the scope of Debian for the general user as most CD vendors especially the cheap ones will probably not bother with the extra CDs. actually, it would increase the scope of debian as a general purpose distribution - there would be something in it for everyone. if we get to the point of having specialty CDs then those who want them will be able to purchase them from specialty vendors or download the packages for free from the net. craig -- craig sanders
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
On Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 11:08:37AM -0400, James A. Treacy wrote: Well, this is completely off-topic, but I wouldn't be so sure. I have plenty of electronic equipment here which generates an awful lot of interference to my sensitive radio receivers. Switch-mode power supplies in particular (although passengers won't be using those on the plane). This is common. The problem is that while FCC requirements are quite high, manufacturing standards are not, causing an awful lot of equipment out there to create interference. But the FCC are particularly crazy paranoid about interference in the radio band. Mind you, I'm not cheering for the FCC here -- in fact that I think their restrictions on output power for private radio transmitters are hideously excessive -- but they do seem to keep a pretty tight lid on RFI generated by portable devices. Household appliances, on the other hand... -- G. Branden Robinson | Debian GNU/Linux |Please do not look directly into laser [EMAIL PROTECTED] |with remaining eye. cartoon.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/ | pgpiv2fqJar7l.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ssh keys in ldap
On Sun, 26 Sep 1999, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Jason Gunthorpe wrote: I would like a couple people to look over this patch I have made to SSH. It creates a new option that allows ssh to lookup RSA authentication keys in a global file modeled after the shadow password file. Does this support multiple keys? Yes, it is exactly like the existing search method, it tries every key assigned to the user until one actually works. Jason
ITP: FOP, FESI
If there is no objections, I'd like to package FOP and FESI. As stated in their control files: Package: lib-fop-java Architecture: all Depends: java-common, lib-xt-java Description: A [XSL] Formatting Object to PDF Translator FOP is a print formatter driven by XSL formatting objects. It is a Java 1.1 application that reads a formatting object tree and then turns it into a PDF document. The formatting object tree can be in the form of an XML document (output by an XSLT engine like XT) or can be passed in memory as a DOM Document or (in the case of XT) SAX events. . Note that FOP is still alpha. It is slow, buggy and doesn't support much of the XSL spec. It's getting there, though. . For more information, take a look at the FOP web site at http://www.jtauber.com/fop/ Package: lib-fesi-java Architecture: all Suggests: lib-fesi-java-doc Depends: java-common Description: A full implementation of the EcmaScript language in Java FESI (pronounced like fuzzy) is a full implementation of the EcmaScript language (defined in the standard ECMA 262 available at http://www.ecma.ch (edition of june 97). EcmaScript is largely equivalent to the JavaScript language version 1.1 or to the core part of JScript, but without the navigator specific extensions. A few extensions can be loaded, to provide basic input/output, file input/output, access to Java objects, database access and regular expression based search from an EcmaScript program, including dynamic loading of classes and beans. . FESI consists of a set of java packages, allowing to use EcmaScript as a macro language for Java applications, and of an interactive interpreter (usable from the command line to test EcmaScript programs). The integration with Java is very strong, making FESI a useful tool to test Java libraries. . For more information, take a look at the FESI web site at http://home.worldcom.ch/jmlugrin/fesi
Hysterical Onanistic ITP's (was: ITP: Country Codes)
On Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 03:01:22AM +0900, Keita Maehara wrote: Country Codes is an ISO 3166 country code finder. I'll upload it as countrycodes. Here is some example output: % iso3166 -d ftp.chiark.greenend.org.uk Domain name : ftp.chiark.greenend.org.uk You don't need to echo back the input argument, the user knows it already. Top domain : uk (Great Bretain (iso 3166 code is gb)) This seems to be the only useful part of the output. The output format is all wrong, however. Anyone familiar with the Internet host namespace knows that .uk is the top-level domain because it is the last component of the hostname. Again, you're telling the user something they already know. You misspelled Britain. Is it misspelled that way in the ISO 3166 text file that ships with libc6? Did you know an ISO 3166 table ships with libc6? The nested parentheses are also a bad idea for automated parsing reasons. Sub domain #1: org (Organizations) Sub domain #2: greenend (Unknown) Sub domain #3: chiark (Unknown) Sub domain #4: ftp (File Transfer Protocol) There is no way you can know the meanings of the names of all possible subdomains. It looks like you're destined to hardcode a massive table which will be staggeringly daunting to update and which will be necessarily doomed to fall out of date. % iso3166 jp Country 2 letter 3 letter Number - Japanjp jpn 392 This output is needlessly dressy. It looks like a DOS program. Remember one of the core design principles of Unix is for the output of one program to be easily manipulated by another. Finally, I must question the utility of this program altogether. Fundamentally, it tells us nothing useful that grep UK /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab does not. At the risk of starting another flamewar or being called some kind of cultural chauvinist, this isn't the first program I've seen from .jp that has big flaws like this. Many Japanese programmers seem to be utterly unaware of many of the Unix idioms, reinventing the wheel over and over again, and usually with ugly output formats (to spread blame a little more evenly, dpkg -l is just as awful in this regard and I really hope our Japanese brethren aren't using it as an example). To be fair, there is plenty of that among Western programmers as well; freshmeat is rife with programs that have been done before, better, and just as freely licensed. But I do not see the debian-devel list bombarded with ITP's of these marginal toys. I really wish we could get this psychotic ITP obsessiveness under control. Before posting an ITP, usually with a comment like I'll upload this tomorrow, why not ask the development community of such a tool is truly needed? Why not take a look around the existing distribution, which is very large, and see if something that can do the job is already present? -- G. Branden Robinson | Debian GNU/Linux | It tastes good. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Bill Clinton cartoon.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/ | pgprrIapNJF5t.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: anarchism_7.7-1.deb
Sorry to sort of butt in here again, but maybe a committed Debian user's perspective would be helpful... On 09/26/99 at 11:55:09, Craig Sanders wrote concerning Re: anarchism_7.7-1.deb: One approach which has been suggested is to make extra cds by section. So a data CD could include the bible, anarchy FAQ etc. Perhaps at some point there will be a ham radio cd, electronics cd etc. This has the advantage of being infinitely extensible but I worry that it narrows the scope of Debian for the general user as most CD vendors especially the cheap ones will probably not bother with the extra CDs. actually, it would increase the scope of debian as a general purpose distribution - there would be something in it for everyone. if we get to the point of having specialty CDs then those who want them will be able to purchase them from specialty vendors or download the packages for free from the net. Exactly. In fact, with apt maturing the way it is, Debian has discrete advantages in this area over other distributions. We don't *need* all those document packages to make Debian work, so having them on CD is unnecessary for anyone on the internet. Also, most folks will not install the whole collection of document packages. Frankly, I'd be surprised if any non-developer installed over half of them. So why force them all onto an additional CD that will probably just collect dust? As long as the archive is apt-able over the internet, the few documents the average user needs will be within easy reach. For the rest, there are specialty CDs. Of course, I'm guessing about users' needs and internet access here. Feel free to prove me wrong. Jesse
Re: scanning my ports
In addition to apologies to Mr. Norman, perhaps there's some value in either (1) making tcplogd etc. require enough configuration to force people to read the documentation, or (2) enhance those packages to interpret things a little more, so they scare naive users a bit less?
Re: Hysterical Onanistic ITP's (was: ITP: Country Codes)
From: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hysterical Onanistic ITP's (was: ITP: Country Codes) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 23:14:02 -0400 At the risk of starting another flamewar or being called some kind of cultural chauvinist, this isn't the first program I've seen from .jp that has big flaws like this. Many Japanese programmers seem to be utterly unaware of many of the Unix idioms, reinventing the wheel over and over again, and usually with ugly output formats (to spread blame a little more evenly, dpkg -l is just as awful in this regard and I really hope our Japanese brethren aren't using it as an example). Country Codes is not a program developed by a Japanese programmer. I used jp just as an example. I hope someone won't call you some kind of cultural chauvinist :). I really wish we could get this psychotic ITP obsessiveness under control. Perhaps it should be under some kind of control, but I don't know that's a good idea or not. Currently we have only a rough, or natural consensus. There might be a strong objection from others too, so I'll withdraw this ITP for now, not because it's useless but I have much more work (not so much as you though) to do for Debian other than flamewar. Finally, from upstream README: | I am lazy to hold all the ISO 3166 in my mind, or to grep it from a file, | it's too much work :) -- Keita Maehara [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scanning my ports
On 26 Sep 1999, Mark W. Eichin wrote: : In addition to apologies to Mr. Norman, perhaps there's some value in : either (1) making tcplogd etc. require enough configuration to force : people to read the documentation, or (2) enhance those packages to : interpret things a little more, so they scare naive users a bit less? No apologies necessary. The mirror services have been restored. I apologise for the incendiery tone of my original email; I was pretty upset. Mr. Lapeyre and I have continued to correspond via private mail and I feel we've got everything worked out. An important point to consider in this particualr case: The PTR record for 24.220.0.13 resolves to pavlov.midco.net rather than debian.midco.net which would certainly be more obvious in most cases. Unfortunately, there are issues with changing the PTR record to a more correct value, as the machine has other responsibilities. My co-workers and I are plannig to purchase a new system board, processor and case which along with some hardware donations ( :) ) will become debian.midco.net, leaving pavlov to his more mundane tasks. This should prove beneficial to both the project and Midcontinent. (If anyone wants to contribute something, let me know. I think we've got it mostly covered.) -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet 410 South Phillips Avenue Sioux Falls, SD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP Key: (0xA33B86E9)
Re: Hysterical Onanistic ITP's (was: ITP: Country Codes)
On Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 02:21:52PM +0900, Keita Maehara wrote:
Country Codes is not a program developed by a Japanese programmer. I
used jp just as an example. I hope someone won't call you some
kind of cultural chauvinist :).
Okay, then feel free to heap all my scorn and derision on whoever deserves
it. I'm an equal-opportunity jerk, and I pay no heed to anyone's
nationality, race, creed, color or religion. :)
In my own defense, I do remember some package straight from the Debian-JP
project with a textual output format that made me recoil in horror. I
didn't speak up about it at the time and of course I can't remember what it
was now.
I really wish we could get this psychotic ITP obsessiveness under control.
Perhaps it should be under some kind of control, but I don't know
that's a good idea or not. Currently we have only a rough, or natural
consensus.
Well, we do see lots of ITP's with only a day or two's notice before upload
to the archives. The Debian-JP team are hardly the only ones guilty of
that, though. (On the other end of the spectrum are the people who post
ITP's before they've even *started* work on a package, and it is literally
months before it ever shows up.)
Perhaps we should start an informal mechanism of seconding ITP's?
Give a package a week or so to garner three seconds. A heck of a lot of
people read -devel and it shouldn't be hard for truly useful packages to
muster that relatively small amount of support.
There might be a strong objection from others too, so I'll withdraw
this ITP for now, not because it's useless but I have much more work
(not so much as you though) to do for Debian other than flamewar.
Finally, from upstream README:
| I am lazy to hold all the ISO 3166 in my mind, or to grep it from a file,
| it's too much work :)
It is so darn easy to grep /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab that I must take
exception to that reasoning.
I can understand someone not wanting to type all that, but it would really
be cake to write a shell alias or function that can accomplish the same
thing.
iso3166 () {
grep -i ^$1 /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab;
}
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G. Branden Robinson | Why do we have to hide from the police,
Debian GNU/Linux | Daddy?
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Re: scanning my ports
On 26 Sep 1999, Mark W. Eichin wrote: In addition to apologies to Mr. Norman, perhaps there's some value in either (1) making tcplogd etc. require enough configuration to force people to read the documentation, or (2) enhance those packages to interpret things a little more, so they scare naive users a bit less? debian-admin gets reports like this on virtually a monthly basis, they response is always that the user is using port mode ftp and that the site is an ftp server. Some of the 'reports' are exeremely angry and irritated - I think the best one was from some admin who had a user who subscribed to a Debian lists, he was incessed that we were 'attacking' his mail server by *gasp* sending it mail! Jason
Re: anarchism_7.7-1.deb
On Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 11:55:09AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: On Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 09:10:19PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: - is it free? - could someone be bothered doing the work of packaging it? if the answer to both questions is yes, then there is no justification for refusing the package. Yes but the maintainer should also ask - Does it enhance Debian? if it is useful or interesting to even one person then it enhances debian. in other words, this is not a useful question to ask - if it wasn't of value to at least one person then they would not have bothered to package it. many of the packages in debian are in debian because the maintainer felt that they were useful to them personallyif others benefit from it too, that is good but it is sufficient that the maintainer has, by their work, made debian that much more useful to themself. I'm afraid I don't quite agree with you about this : I have the feeling that sometimes the only interest found in the package is not the package by itself, but the fact that it has been packaged : I mean, the only interest is for the guy who wanted to become a maintainer, and just looked for a stuff to put in main... Best regs. -- Thierry LARONDE [EMAIL PROTECTED] website : http://www.polynum.com unctuous : used about somebody who pretends to put balm on your wounds, when, at the very time, by way of preliminaries, he's just oiling your arse. Adrien Herryolt, Le glossaire des Précieuses
Re: anarchism_7.7-1.deb
On Sat, 25 Sep 1999, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: Some packages are worth more than others. Worth is often hard to define but not impossible. Debian may not want to get into the definition business but that doesn't mean it can't be done and circumstances may force it too. I can't help but infer from this statement that you feel the anarchism package is of low worth. If this was not your intent, please feel free to clarify. In any case, I would like to respond to your message. The concept of worth is by its nature a qualitative assesment, and therefore subjective. I would be inclined to say that it would be impossible to correctly judge the worth of a given package. Nevertheless, there are other properties we can consider: general quality and fitness for a particular purpose. For instance, if a package is ridden with bugs (be they shortcomings in code, or grammatical errors in text), one could judge it to be of low quality, possibly low enough to warrant removing it from the distribution. Contextual fitness, on the other hand, rates a package as having worth in a particular situation. Sure, the anarchist FAQ may not be useful in learning to write applications in GTK+, but that doesn't mean it's not applicable to debian's userbase. Probably many users of debian will never find use for the anarchism package. So be it. The fact remains that there are quite a few debian users who do find it useful. [The number of emails i got when i was late packaging the most recent version of the FAQ is testament to that. g] Yes but the maintainer should also ask - Does it enhance Debian? I agree with you completely. If you were referring to the anarchism package in this statement, I would like to mention that I asked myself that very question before i packaged anarchism. I thought it did -- and i still do -- and the last time the debate over this package emerged, the number of fellow debian maintainers who volunteered to take over the maintainership of the package should i bend to the wishes of those who wanted it removed greatly reinforced this judgment in my mind. This has been a bit of a rant. Let me try and add something constructive. It looks like we are going to 3 CDs. In the future we will only get bigger. How do we manage that growth while not irritating users (swapping CDs sucks) or censoring maintainers? One approach which has been suggested is to make extra cds by section. So a data CD could include the bible, anarchy FAQ etc. Perhaps at some point there will be a ham radio cd, electronics cd etc. This has the advantage of being infinitely extensible but I worry that it narrows the scope of Debian for the general user as most CD vendors especially the cheap ones will probably not bother with the extra CDs. I've supported this direction in the past, and will continue to do so. Rather than narrow the scope of debian, however, I think it could actually serve to widen it -- imagine, in the case of textual works, a debian bookshelf CD of dfsg-free literary works, all ready to be integrated with the rest of the system with one simple call to apt-get. Similiarly, other special-interest collections could emerge: a CD for amateur radio enthusiasts, a CD for research scientists, etc. It's essentially just modularity at the distribution level -- and the freeness of debian allows even the most esoteric collections to be published in short runs and obtainable at a reasonable cost, even without access to a CD writer or an internet connectoin. The big fly in the ointment is how to decide what gets into the core because as you point out, it is very subjective. I think the popularity-contest is a good way to help with this. I agree. I also believe that maintainers of the individual packages should be trusted to have enough common sense to place their package in the section in which it fits best. Even for those few hypothetical developers who may feel an ego boost by pumping limited-utility packages into the core distribution, the BTS can serve as a means to encourage them to rectify their position. In any case, I appreciate your comments. For free software, Ed.
Re: basic c thing
On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Phillip Neumann wrote: Im just beginning to mess my hands into c, so i need some tips... i want to make a program that will rename all dirs in the current dir position to dir-name-renamed. rename files instead of dirs would help me a lot too... Is this everything you want? Then why torture your brain with c? This is what I would try: #!/bin/sh for i in *; do if [ -d $i ]; then mv $i $i.renamed fi done -- Thomas PGP public key available (KeyID 2EA7BBBD) | Echelon is watching you. http://www.in.tum.de/~schoepf/pgpkey.txt |
Re: Aaron Sloman
Hello Craig, On 25 Sep 1999, Craig Brozefsky wrote: For the record, I am not a student of Aaron Sloman, but have helped him a bit with the Free Poplog release, contributed a few fixes, and talk with him via email on occasion. I never went to college and work professionally as a software developer, mostly with Free Software. Did you do google search or something to get that impression, or are my poitics that close to his? Every single flame I have received over the last ten years has been from someone connected with Aaron Sloman. These flames have been on numerous and diverse subjects. Whether this is just some amazing coincidence, or that Aaron Sloman is just an appalling influence on everyone around him, I do not know! I long ago decided that he is a person whom I would never want to know. When I read your flame, the name Aaron Sloman just popped into my head! :-( I believe that Aaron Sloman is actually a Psychologist. If this is true, has he been conducting some dreadful experiment in conditioning people to show hatred and intolerance? Best wishes, Helen McCall E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 01752 342675 Fax: 08700 525850 ---
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
On Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 10:57:31PM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: Mind you, I'm not cheering for the FCC here -- in fact that I think their restrictions on output power for private radio transmitters are hideously excessive -- [snip] Really? I don't consider the 1.5kW limit for US amateurs excessively limiting :-) Down here in Australia we are only allowed 400W. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB (ex-VK3TYD). CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. pgph8PEqHagDo.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Re: Status of GNOME in potato
On Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 08:16:45PM +, Vincent Renardias wrote: Development tools glade-0.5.3.tar.gzGUI builder * current Debian version: 0.4.1-1 I am waiting for gnome-libs. Gtk---1.0.2.tar.gzC++ language bindings * 1.0.2-1 [OK] Note that Gtk-- is currently completely revamped, and although there probably will be an update, Gtk-- 1.0 is mostly dead meat. I am not sure 1.1. makes it into potato though. Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org Check Key server Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.orgfor public PGP Key [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGP Key ID 36E7CD09 http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/
Re: Status of GNOME in potato
On Sun, 26 Sep 1999, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
On Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 08:16:45PM +, Vincent Renardias wrote:
Development tools
glade-0.5.3.tar.gz GUI builder
* current Debian version: 0.4.1-1
I am waiting for gnome-libs.
potato currently have 1.0.16-1.
1.0.40-0.1 has been NMU'd by M. Dorman (but is currently stuck in
Incoming, probably due to the fact a few more binary packages are
produced)
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Re: Aaron Sloman
Helen McCall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Every single flame I have received over the last ten years has been from someone connected with Aaron Sloman. These flames have been on numerous and diverse subjects. Whether this is just some amazing coincidence, or that Aaron Sloman is just an appalling influence on everyone around him, I do not know! I long ago decided that he is a person whom I would never want to know. As I said before, I have never talked with him on any subject except for how to package up the Free Poplog distribution, the various Pop11 AI tools available, how to make the whole system as useful as possible to educators and students, and what changes would be needed to make a Debian package of it and port it to the various architectures Debian supports. I would consider my association mere coincidence. I believe that Aaron Sloman is actually a Psychologist. If this is true, has he been conducting some dreadful experiment in conditioning people to show hatred and intolerance? No, he is a cognitive scientist working in AI and a teacher. I actually have found him to be very kind, an excellent writer (his tutorial on Pop11 is one of the best comp-sci texts I've seen), and someone who has volunteered alot of time to help students and other educators, and anyone else using Poplog. I'm posting to the list now only to make sure that readers have an accurate picture of a volunteer who has given alot of time and resources to Free Software, and AI research in general. I will no longer be responding to your mail in public, please take this offlist if you are compelled to respond. -- Craig Brozefsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free Scheme/Lisp Software http://www.red-bean.com/~craig riot shields. voodoo economics. its just business. cattle prods and the IMF. - Radiohead, OK Computer, Electioneering
Re: Status of GNOME in potato
Vincent Renardias [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a few more binary packages are produced) Only one, really. Mike.
Re: Status of GNOME in potato
[ CC and reply-to on debian-gtk-gnome list ] Le Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 08:16:45PM +, Vincent Renardias écrivait: Now that GNOME 1.0.40 is out for beta testing, I had a look at what needs to be updated in potato. Needless to say it would be great to have an up to date GNOME in potato before the freeze... Of course ! But I'll need some help. Gnoem-control-center still needs to be updated. But it's maintained by Steve Haslam who seems to have disapeared. I'l take care of orbit and gnome-core (I did the previous NMU with the help of Christian Marillat). Would you like to contact each maintainer to check if they can do it (and to check is they are still with us :)) glib-1.2.5.tar.gz Utility routines * current Debian version: 1.2.4-1 This one is ok. ORBit-0.4.95.tar.gz CORBA implementation * current Debian version: 0.4.94-0.1 I'll update it. The main GNOME modules gnome-core-1.0.41.tar.gz Panel, help browser, session manager * current Debian version: 1.0.9-0.1 I'll update it. control-center-1.0.40.tar.gz Graphical configuration for user settings * current Debian version: 1.0.5-2 Someone needs to do this. Prerequisities for some of the apps libglade-0.6.tar.gz GUI builder library * current Debian version: 0.4-1 Yes this is definitely needed, I already wanted to test the latest glade with the Gnome widgets but I was too lazy to compile it myself. :-) Up to date Packages libxml-1.4.0.tar.gz XML library * 1.4.0-1 [OK] No libxml-1.6.X does exist I think. -- Raphaël Hertzog 0C4CABF1 http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~raphael/ pub CD Debian : http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~raphael/debian/#cd /pub
Intent to Package: gtkpool
gtkpool is a simple simulation of the game of pool (i.e. similar to billiards and snooker), written and copyright 1999 by Jacques Fortier, licensed under the GPL. Because Debian *always* needs more games. -- Chris Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] | I have a truly elegant proof of the or[EMAIL PROTECTED] | above, but it is too long to fit into http://www.dsp.net/xtifr | this .signature file.
Re: Why was Bug#40360 not closed automatically?
On Sep 26, Thomas Schoepf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just noticed that the BTS lists 2 outstanding important bugs (#40360,#40459) against mutt, although they have been closed by mutt_0.95.7-1: They have been reopened, the bug is not fixed. If someone understands automake please help. -- ciao, Marco
