debian installer does not recognize uli sata controller

2005-11-04 Thread Michael Lampard
hy *,

i am refering to a post from july 2005 in debian-user ("Debian Installer
SATA detection").

i, too, have a shuttle st20g5 barebone which comes with a uli 1573 chipset
(which itself runs a uli 5287 sata controller). the website of uli provides
information about how to install the sata-controller (look for the driver
for the m1573 chipset): actually it boils down to compile the kernel with
the sata_uli driver, which is shipped with the kernel (since about 2.6.10).

the debian testing netinstall which i recently downloaded (kernel version
2.6.12 so it seems) is not able to recognize the sata controller => no
sata-drive => no hdd partitioning => no installation => :-(

even if i manually "modprobe sata_uli" the controller/hdd is not recognized.
the kernel logs ...

ata1: sata max udma/133 cmd 0xfd00 ctl 0xfc02 bmdma 0xf900 irq 209
ata2: sata max udma/133 cmd 0xfb00 ctl 0xfa02 bmdma 0xf908 irq 209
ata3: sata max udma/133 cmd 0xfd08 ctl 0xfc06 bmdma 0xf910 irq 209
ata4: sata max udma/133 cmd 0xfb08 ctl 0xfa06 bmdma 0xf918 irq 209
scsi0: sata_uli
ata2: no device found (phy stat )
scsi1: sata_uli
ata3: no device found (phy stat )
scsi2: sata_uli
ata4: no device found (phy stat )
scsi3: sata_uli

i have already tried the different startup options of the debian installer
that were mentioned in the original post (ie: expert, linux, ...) with no
success.

i have even installed an additional (old) pata hdd, installed debian on that
and compiled a 2.6.14 kernel with the sata_uli module compiled directly in -
no success, kernel logs the same.

in comparision:
- knoppix 4.0.2, fedora 4, gentoo 2005.1: no installation success with
sata_uli
- windows 2000 *urgh*: sucess after loading the sata-drivers from the
driver-disk which was provided with the shuttle barebone. *err* for obvious
reasons windows is no option for me ;-)

the hdd is a samsung sp1213c. i also have tried different sata-cables which
made no difference.

any hints?

mila

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Add 'suspend the computer' to logout dialogue?

2005-11-04 Thread leon
Hi there,

I'd like to configure the logout dialogue in gnome to look like this:

* Log out
* Suspend the computer
* Shutdown
* Restart the computer

By the way, how can gnome execute 'Suspend the computer' which
normally needs root privilege?

Many thanks.

Leon



quick gpg key help

2005-11-04 Thread salahuddin pasha
hello

i have create a gpg key for my address [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for very hight traffic i have create this account for debian)
but [EMAIL PROTECTED] is my main address.

so should i use edit key and adduid [EMAIL PROTECTED] to my gpg --key

to join http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint

(i want my my [EMAIL PROTECTED] will anything related to debian
project and [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc etc all my designed and work is known
as by salahuddin66)

thanks-- -salahuddin_66


BMP PROBLEM

2005-11-04 Thread 张勇顺
hi
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:13:59:42~#3]%beep-media-player

(beep-media-player:4429): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_strsplit_set: assertion
`string != NULL' failed
ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:802:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:14:00:49~#4]%beep-media-player
ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:802:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:802:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:14:01:23~#5]%

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:14:04:41~#1]%lsmod
Module Size Used by
snd_intel8x0 30944 2
snd_ac97_codec 91900 1 snd_intel8x0
snd_ac97_bus 2944 1 snd_ac97_codec
snd_pcm_oss 49440 1
snd_mixer_oss 17920 2 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm 81796 3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer 22276 1 snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc 9352 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
ohci_hcd 20100 0
nls_cp936 127360 4
asb100 21524 0
hwmon_vid 3200 1 asb100
i2c_nforce2 6912 0
i2c_core 18688 2 asb100,i2c_nforce2
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:14:04:42~#2]%
because i saw the kermel said some program may uses oss api
i think you know bmp uses???
xmms uses>
thank you


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Re: GRUB & Sarge & Win 98

2005-11-04 Thread Cubells
Hello:

I usually do that:

http://ubuntuguide.org/#restoregrubmenuafterwindowsinstallation

(I have a Ubuntu liveCD...)

See you...

En/na calvesmit ha escrit:

>Hello guys, 
>
>I just was running a dual boot machine (Sarge & Win 98) nicely when 
>something wrong happened and I got to reinstall Win 98. Since that I can`t 
>boot my Debian Gnu/Linux System. So here is my question: 
>
>-"How do I reinstall Grub in MBR the way I`ll can boot both systems again?" 
>
>Thanks in advance. 
>
>P.S.: I have some Live CD`s of Knotix and Demo Linux, if it matters. 
>
>Replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>  
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Re: Best way to copy a video dvd

2005-11-04 Thread David E. Fox
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:43:07 +
Wackojacko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Just stumbled over k9copy which may be what you want.

going to give it a try soon, see how it performs vs. dvd shrink.



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Re: Solaris: The Most Advanced OS?

2005-11-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 06:17 -0600, Kent West wrote:
> Basajaun wrote:
> 
[snip]
> that addressed some of this. What I remember was basically that the
> userland utilities were far better in Debian, but the kernel in Solaris
> was more robust, at least when you get to "enterprise levels" (of
> hardware, multiple processors, hotswapping hardware, etc).

Part of that "etc" is dual/redundant SCSI cards and storage controllers.
Identical data is sent thru 2 SCSI cards, to two dual-ported
storage controllers (which is what the [rack-mounted, of course]
dual-ported SCSI disks are plugged into.

> I've had a little experience with Solaris 10, and so far, I far prefer
> Debian. But then I'm not using "enterprise level" hardware or have
> "enterprise level" needs, which might make all the difference.

Basically, "enterprise level" is:
- bigness (lots of CPUs, lots of RAM, lots of SCSI, HBA, etc cards,
  tape drives, tape silos)
- redundancy (hot-swapping, VAX-style clustering, Tandem-style 
  duality)
- Gold Support that means a CE shows up at your data center on 
  Christmas morning to fix a bad CPU.

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gnucash in testing - no longer broken

2005-11-04 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On 11/4/05, I <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
(gnucash, for example, is still broken.)

Apparently, not any more - I _love_ testing.  Things come and go, but when they go, they come back awfully fast!

Thanks to all of you who do this.  I can make an occasional
contribution in "user-space" but what you programmers do is just
fantastic.

With profound appreciation,

Patrick


Re: JACK won't start

2005-11-04 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On 11/4/05, michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
HiI just did a dist-upgrade in testing and have lost the use of JACK foraudio stuff  I normally use the JACK control gui to start it up, and itsimply tells me it can't start JACK rgh

I did an aptitude update this evening and a bunch of JACK-related stuff
was broken; it has no particular interest to me, so I just backed out
the dependencies.  I guess you just failed to notice the
problems.  If you use aptitude to reinstall JACK, it should tell
you what's broken and you should be able to uninstall and reinstall the
bits and pieces you need.  Use 'b' to find broken packages and
decide whether you need them or not.  If anything's
system-critical and incompatible with the JACK packages, then you'll
just have to wait for it to get sorted out.  That's life with
testing.  (gnucash, for example, is still broken.)

Patrick



JACK won't start

2005-11-04 Thread michael

Hi

I just did a dist-upgrade in testing and have lost the use of JACK for 
audio stuff  I normally use the JACK control gui to start it up, and it 
simply tells me it can't start JACK rgh



Any help would be appreciated


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Re: openoffice 2.0 fail on start (debian unstable)

2005-11-04 Thread yzhh
Thanks for all your answers.
There is an update today in unstable dist. I installed it and all
things seem ok now. Only chinese chars displayed badly. But I think
it's because the l10n-zh-cn pakage have not been updated yet.

yzhh


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Re: Using USB and Visor module

2005-11-04 Thread Marc Shapiro

Alex Malinovich wrote:

On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 17:31 +0100, Patrick Mulder wrote:


Dear experts,

I am a bit stuck with connecting the Palm TX via the
USB to my Debian system. I upgraded to the 2.6.13.4
Kernel and using an ASUS A7N8X-X motherboard. I am
quite sure that the USB port is recognized correctly
(excerpt from /proc/bus/usb/devices )


--snip--


But somehow the dplsh and pilot-xfer still do not work
properly:

# pilot-xfer -p /dev/ttyUSB1 -l

  Listening to port: /dev/ttyUSB1

  Please press the HotSync button now... connected!


  Error read system info on /dev/ttyUSB1

The latest output of /var/log/messages is:


--snip--

I've spent a lot of time in the last couple of months wrestling with all
things Pilot related on my system. The one thing that actually works
pretty well in the whole setup is the visor module.

Most of the problems end up being caused by the software you use to
sync. While I'm not sure about the TX, I can tell you that with my T5,
the default use of pilot-xfer for me doesn't work. The T5 connects to
the system as soon as you plug it in. After starting a hotsync, it
actually disconnects and then immediately re-connects. In this case,
what you need to do with pilot-xfer is:

1) plug in the Palm and let it settle for a second or two
2) start the hotsync ON THE PALM
3) run pilot-xfer on your machine

Using this method, I can always get the connection to succeed.

There are plenty of other problems to be encountered. If you happen to
decide to use gnome-pilot you will be largely on your own as the
maintainer is almost completely unresponsive. Filed bugs are an average
of 2 years old, and the only bugs that have been closed recently have
either been fixed by an NMU or by a different package which gnome-pilot
uses being fixed by the maintainer for that package.


Well, I'm not sure how much help I can be, since I am using a Visor 
Platinum (read dinosaur) and my setup "just works".  I have not had any 
problems with pilot-xfer. although I rarely use it directly.  I do not 
have the visor module loading through /etc/modules, but hotplug loads it 
when I do a sync.  I do have usbserial and usbcore listed in /etc/modules.


My prefered front-end is jPilot. It does everything that I need it to 
do, and then some.  It has always worked for me without any hassles.


HTH
Marc


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Re: How to set default compiler to 4.0?

2005-11-04 Thread Marc Wilson
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 02:52:44PM +0100, Joost Kraaijeveld wrote:
> I have installed 3 versions og gcc: 3.3 , 3.4 and 4.0. How do I set the
> deafult compiler to 4.0, using the update-alternative command? For some
> reason I do not get a choice if I run "update-alternatives --config c
> ++".

Gee, that's probably because gcc doesn't participate in the alternatives
system.

> Or should I just change the symlinks in /usr/bin by hand?

No, you should instead refrain from breaking what you do not understand and
instead simply specify which compiler you want to use.  As you've noticed,
you *can* have more than one installed.

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Re: Serial ATA Hardware RAID recommendations?

2005-11-04 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005, Chris Boot wrote:
> 1. Take 5/6 SATA disks for RAID 5/6/10
> 2. Allow them to be hot-plugged (with or without Jeff Garzik's 
> in-progress SATA hotplug patches)
> 3. Do the work in hardware

Then you certainly won't need any patch, as the hotplugging will be done by
the SATA RAID controller :-)

I'd suggest one that handles saf-te enclosures, and a saf-te enclosure
(hotswap bay) to go with it.

> All I've done previously is software RAID 10 which I'm happy with, but 
> I'm now building a high-performance database / file server and don't 
> want the machine spending time calculating parity and so on.

AFAIK RAID10 requires any parity calculation.  What the hardware controller
will give you is easier hotplugging, better SAF-TE support, and more SATA
ports.  If it is not a good RAID controller, you could easily actually lose
performance in every RAID level.

For RAID 5 and RAID 6, AFAIK if you want good performance you need a damn
good RAID controller, the type that have IOP321 or IOP331 processors at the
very least, and a lot of onboard battery-backed SDRAM in it.

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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
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Re: Any recomendations on C/R spam tools for Debian

2005-11-04 Thread Jiann-Ming Su
On 7/26/05, Rishi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I plan to setup a Mail Server for a customer and was planing to use Debian as
> the OS.
>
> Any recommendations for C/R spam tools available for me to plugin?
>

http://tmda.net/

apt-get install tmda python-tmda

> I just downloaded spamresponder and was trying to figure out how to use /
> integrate into the system...
>
> http://www.thinknerd.org/~ssc/wiki/doku.php?id=spamresponder
>

You could also try setting up a spam/virus scanning email gateway
(mail spooler).

  http://flakshack.com/anti-spam/wiki/index.php?page=Debian

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 If I wanted to do that, I'd vote." --Duckman



Re: What to do with attackers?

2005-11-04 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
> He has the choice to REJECT or to DROP. It's a bit different.
> I'd vote for REJECTing.

Or, for ssh attacks, TARPIT.  It won't DoS your uplink, and it slows the
attackers.

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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
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Re: What to do with attackers?

2005-11-04 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005, Thomas wrote:
> recently, i can see ofthen brute force attacks in my ssh logfile.
> A friend of mine, who has the same ISP gets the same bruteforce attacks.
> 
> What would be an adequate reaction to repeated ssh bruteforce attacks?

Once I tried to do something about it, just because I had nothing better to
do.

I used whois, found the abuse contact of the relevant domain owners and
their upstream providers, and emailed them the logs, requesting that they
inspect why a machine of theirs was trying to attack one of mine.

Out of the three reports I sent:

  One was replied to in 5 minutes(!), the attacker had been immediately
  unplugged, and the machine would be investigated.

  One was replied to within 3 hours, the attack was being investigated
  (and I wasn't being proped by them anymore, so I suppose they took it
  offline as well).

  One was replied to within 1 day, the server had been reinstalled from
  scratch and they thanked me about the report.

So I got proper replies for 100% of the reports I sent, and three zoombies
were put to rest.   It is something nice to do if you feel bored.

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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
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Re: Sound on Opliplex GX150

2005-11-04 Thread micro_thangs
alsaconf did everything for me @ the same machine i have here
am using DeMuDi/AGNULA which is based on Sarge
you can tune it as Debian so
why not start from that distro?

> So I have come to the same conclusion as you, that it must be a
> hardware
> problem. I would just buy another sound card and be done with it, but
> this machine has half height PCI slots which complicates matters. I
> might
> try a USB sound card. There are some very cheap ones on ebay but they
> are unbranded so I have no way of knowing in advance whether they
> will work with the linux drivers.


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Re: Shutdown due to thermal event (sid)

2005-11-04 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005, Mauro Condarelli wrote:
> How am I supposed to use this modified lm85.c??
> The nearest to compiling i went is just to replace the same file 
> in my kernel source tree (2.6.24-1-686).

There is no 2.6.24 :) I assue you mean 2.6.14.

The file is for 2.6.13.4, just replace the one in the kernel.  I will
forward port it to 2.6.14 sooner or later, and when I do so, I will try to
do it in a way that lm-sensors upstream can accept it.  I will crospost it
to this thread.

> > The logic inside the adm1027 is way better, use it.  Setup the 
> > chip directly
> > in sysfs, as lm-sensors usermode code is broken, too.
> again: how am I supposed to use this?

See package sysfsutils, and file /etc/sysfs.conf, or just echo the desired
values to the proper file in /sys.

> Please, can someone point me to a *detailed* description of just 
> how to have fan control this working?

Well, for 2.6.*13*, replace the lm85.c file in the kernel source with the
one I gave you, recompile kernel and reboot. Install package sysfsutils, ænd
place the sysfs lines in /etc/sysfs.conf.  Then run /etc/init.d/sysfsutils
start.

> 2) I'm pretty sure that something is wrong since the RPMs of the various fans 
> (primarily the CPU!) do not change with temperature (as they should) and do 
> not respond to manual setting of PWMs.

You are not getting any sort of proper readout from the PWM-controlled fans.
The CPU and voltage-regulator fans in Intel desktop boards are *NOT*
PWM-controlled AFAIK (they are not controlled in the D875PBZ for sure), and
these should read the speed correctly even without the patch... but you
cannot get them to run any slower (they're already at top speed, and fixed
there).  At least not with motherboard control.

> 3) I hope the power supply is enough since I have a 500W PS.

That means nothing if it comes from a shoddy vendor. And most power
supply vendors ARE selling crap.

Someone tested 20 or so power supplies in a power supply manufacturer's
laboratory in Taiwan sometime ago. They did all the *proper* testing with
electronic-calibrated loads, etc.  A lot of "respectable manufacturers" were
selling outright fire hazards.  Try to find this review, almost every other
power supply review I have seen on the network is just utter crap (hint: no
load testing using *calibrated* loads [a computer is *NOT* a calibrated
load] and no measuring of the input current means the test was done by a
know-nothing amateur or by a liar).

The only power supplies I recall being true to the specs were Zalman ones,
but that's because I own one and paid special attention to its review and
tests.  There were at least five other good PSUs in that review, some of
them better than Zalman's.

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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
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backups RE: ATA 80GB disk recommendation

2005-11-04 Thread Alvin Oga

hi ya david

On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, David Christensen wrote:

> In any case, I back up compulsively -- important data in four places: current
> image, nightly tarballs on another drive in the same box, tarballs rsync'd to
> another box nightly, and tarballs burned to DVD monthly.

very good .. you're just as paranoid as me .. i keep anywhere from 3-6
copies of the same "important" files 

- i see you haven't been hit with a power surge that took out everything
  connected to the power supply ( disks, motherboard, mem .. etc )
- once is all it takes :-) to put "important" backup elsewhere
than on the same pc

- i'm gonna assume that your nightly incrementals is NOT just for
  tonight, but starts from when your last full backup was done
- lets say you did a full backup each sunday ...

- if mondays backup failed, than tue/wed backups are worthless
  since mondays changes was not saved anywhere due to any number
  of reasons why backups fails ( usually bad nic cable, or our 
  of disk space or gazillion reasons )
- incrementals should always span across full backups

- weekly backups can span 8 days ..
- monthly backups can span 32 or 62 days ..
.. etc ..

- and new backups should not overwrite previous backups :-)

c ya
alvin


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Re: Any recomendations on C/R spam tools for Debian

2005-11-04 Thread Paul Johnson
Karsten M. Self wrote:

> on Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 03:22:23PM -0700, Todd A. Jacobs
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 08:46:34AM +0530, Rishi wrote:
>> 
>> >Any recommendations for C/R spam tools available for me to plugin?
>> 
>> I use TMDA. It's not actively supported these days, but it's extrememly
>> effective and quite stable.
> 
> It's not?
> 
> Hrm.  Apparently, no, it's not:
[...]
> Considered harmful is now "considered dead".

Oh, thank God.  Hopefully, Earthlink, SpamShield, et.al. takes their lead
and stops offering challenge-response "services."  Helpful hint to
everybody out there:  If you email a tech support department, don't expect
to *ever* get a response if you employ a challenge-response system.

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How to restore IMAP mailboxes

2005-11-04 Thread Aaron Stromas
Greetings,

Somehow during my Debian upgrade I managed to trash my Cyrus 2.1 IMAP
server, it  no longer boots. I ended up rebuilding the system on
the second drive and, luckily, I can mount the old /var filesystem
which contains all the IMAP data. How can I migrate user mailboxes from
the old server to the new? TIA for any suggestions.

-a


Re: What to do with attackers?

2005-11-04 Thread John L Fjellstad
I use iptables with the recent module.
Chain INPUT
target prot opt source   destination
ACCEPT tcp  --  localnet/24  anywheretcp dpt:ssh
ACCEPT tcp  --  anywhere anywherestate 
RELATED,ESTABLISHED,UNTRACKED tcp dpt:ssh
DROP   tcp  --  anywhere anywheretcp dpt:ssh state 
INVALID,NEW recent: UPDATE seconds: 60 name: DEFAULT side: source
ACCEPT all  --  anywhere anywherestate INVALID,NEW 
recent: SET name: DEFAULT side: source

You can't make more than one connection/min unless you are on the local
network.  Works great.
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Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2005-11-04 Thread John L Fjellstad
Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I pretty much think it _must_ be a corrupted DB, but rescanning has no
> effect.  I really have to take the time to figure out how to put the DB
> into MySQL, because I really do like Amarok, otherwise (though it should
> really let me add .wav files to the collection).

Well, the db is in ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok, and the file is
collection.db.  Maybe just deleting this will help?  I think I had
similar problems back before Sarge went stable, and I think I just
deleted the amarok directory.  I don't remember for
1.2.3 (Sarge version), but amaroK for Sid (v 1.3.5) has an option to put
stuff in a MySQL db. 

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Re: Solaris: The Most Advanced OS?

2005-11-04 Thread Steve Lamb
Hal Vaughan wrote:
> I just wanted to add -- I've seen at least one post questioning whether this 
> is on topic.  It may not be exactly on topic, but that begs the question: if 
> Debian and Linux overall is part of the discussion, when does it go off 
> topic. 

Stock answer is that this is a Debian-*user* list, not a *Debian*-user
list.  So long as the discussion is between users of Debian what they are
discussing generally is irrelevant.  Thus far the rule o' thumb has held up.
We do from time to time get ranged off into political debates but by and large
being users of Debian we speak mostly of Debian so the times we don't is
forgiven.

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RE: ATA 80GB disk recommendation

2005-11-04 Thread David Christensen
Bruno Buys wrote:
> To me, simply there is no clear pattern on what brand is good or bad.

Agreed.  Eventually, they all die.  Predicting when "eventually" will arrive is
an exercise left to the reader.  ;-)


I'm now using the best hard drive mobile docks I could afford (vibration
isolation, all-metal construction for conductive cooling, dual fans for
convection cooling, over-temperature alarm) and the drives seem happy:

http://www.startech.com/ststore/itemdetail.cfm?ProductID=DRW115ATABK&mt=

http://www.startech.com/ststore/itemdetail.cfm?ProductID=DRW115SATBK&mt=p


In any case, I back up compulsively -- important data in four places: current
image, nightly tarballs on another drive in the same box, tarballs rsync'd to
another box nightly, and tarballs burned to DVD monthly.


David


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RE: ATA 80GB disk recommendation

2005-11-04 Thread David Christensen
k l u r t wrote:
> I didn't buy a larger capacity drive because I don't have a need for
> a lot of storage on my desktop and the price was right

A larger drive is going to have more heads/surfaces, so I believe the transfer
rates are going to be higher (especially if the drive is only partially filled
and the data is on the outer tracks).  I have some Sandra data that makes me
think this is the case, but I haven't done rigorous benchmarking.


David


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Re: Solaris: The Most Advanced OS?

2005-11-04 Thread Steve Lamb
Mike McCarty wrote:
> I'm running on a Compaq Presario 2.7MHz machine. The lockups I've had
> with Linux have, AFAICT, not been hardware related, and I would be
> one who should know.

I'm not so sure.  I mean you are talking to a list on which many people
could provide countering anecdotal evidence.  IE, it is not common to us all
so it must be something specific to your setup.  Given we're not running
Compaq Presario 2.7Mhz (sic) machines that is the first, most obvious,
difference and one that is often most suspect.  :P

Besides...

> So perhaps that is it. I wouldn't know.

I thought you said you would know.  ;)

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Re: Serial ATA Hardware RAID recommendations?

2005-11-04 Thread Stephan Seitz

On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 01:27:36PM -0800, David Kirchner wrote:

I've used 3ware SATA RAID cards (8xxx and 9xxx series) for a long
time, in several servers, and I love 'em. They work far better than


Yes, they work very well. The 8xxx series uses IIRC PATA-to-SATA 
adapater, so they are no real SATA controler, the 9xxx series are real 
SATA1 controler while the 955x series are SATA2 controler.



I don't know how well they work with Linux "hotplug" stuff, but I do
know that you can hot swap the drives within RAIDs easily, as that's
all handled by the card itself.


That's right. You can use a GUI or a CLI to administrate your array.
But the supported RAID level are 0, 1, 10, 5 and 50, but not 6.

Shade and sweet water!

Stephan

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Re: ATA 80GB disk recommendation - common

2005-11-04 Thread Alvin Oga

hi ya bruno

On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Bruno Buys wrote:

> To me, simply there is no clear pattern on what brand is good or bad. My 
> _insert_ drive manufacture here_ is seagate.

bingo .. i don't think there is a single good or bad manufacturer or drive
model

i claim, it depends on where you bought your disk from ..

- buying from mom-n-pop.com vs big-national-store.com 
makes a very big difference

- how the gorrilla's in the warehouses stores the disks
makes a big diffrerence .. probably the biggest difference
in the world ...

- even a 6" drop of the disk can damage the head
on lower quality head assemblies

- the folks in the warehouse probably are taught
not to throw things or drop thigns around but
i see that all the time for some non-critical items

- how the ups/fedex/dhl/mailman delivers your boxes makes
probably even more of a difference ...

- how *-you-* install the disks and if you have 1 or 2 
cooling fans will make a big difference on 7200rpm or faster 
drives and the right cables ..

- the only "bad disks" are the ibm deskstar ( aka deathstar ) that are
  made in thailand ( the 10GB, 16GB, 20GB, 30GB, 40GB ) stuff
- there was/is a class action suit about all that

- we've bought thousands of disks ... you name it .. we probably have it
  or shipped it .. some of our ide disks are 10 yrs old and still working
- by the same token, all scsi disks are dead .. except 1
out of 10

- only "bad disks" that we sent out are the ones that was
used in 150F ambient temperature .. all those disks died 
but at least, that is outside of the "normal operating conditions"

- if you're paranoid about disks ( which brand and model ):

--->>   buy your disks from an iso-9001 certified place where
they are required to keep track of each item, case, pallet

- most sites are proud to state they are iso-900x certified but
who knows if they just got a new hire gorrilla in the warehouse

c ya
alvin


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Re: Any recomendations on C/R spam tools for Debian

2005-11-04 Thread Karsten M. Self
I'd meant this as an off-list reply but, well, the TMDA supporter
apparently doesn't post his valid address (or has a creative one
supplied).

on Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 03:22:23PM -0700, Todd A. Jacobs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 08:46:34AM +0530, Rishi wrote:
> 
> >Any recommendations for C/R spam tools available for me to plugin?
> 
> I use TMDA. It's not actively supported these days, but it's extrememly 
> effective and quite stable.

It's not?

Hrm.  Apparently, no, it's not:

future of TMDA (Jason R. Mastaler) 
Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:31:03 -0600
http://mla.libertine.org/tmda-workers/2005-04/msg0.html


Considered harmful is now "considered dead".


Peace.

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Install failure

2005-11-04 Thread Earl Eiland
I'm trying to install the minimal version (debian-31r0a-i386-netinst) on
a (Linux host) VMware5.0.  Part way through the install, my machine
locks up, with the Caps Lock and  Scroll Lock lights flashing.  I cannot
recover with either VMware's  switch, or soft reboot 
.

How do I get around this?

Earl Eiland


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Re: Calling on Toshiba users

2005-11-04 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 03:49:08PM -0800, Freddie Cash wrote:
> On November 4, 2005 03:42 pm, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > [I am not on -laptop, so please CC me when replying from that list]
> 
> > I maintain the Debian package for toshutils.  I have prepared a new
> > version for upload.  However, there are some changes to allow it to
> > compile with gcc-4.0 (the current version was released upstream in the
> > latter half of 2001).  I would like for some adventerous Toshiba laptop
> > users out there to download the packages and provide some feedback.  If
> > the response is positive, I will submit the package for upload.
> 
> What Toshiba laptops does this work with?
> 
> I have sid installed on a Toshiba Satellite A60, and so far, none of the 
> Toshiba extras packages I've tried work with it, including the various 
> option in the Linux kernel itself.
> 
> If this laptop is supposed to be supported by the package, than I can try 
> it over the weekend.

Good point.  I should have explained better.

The toshutils package, due primarily to its age, works only with APM
enabled and not ACPI.  You need the toshiba (i.e., not toshiba_acpi)
module loaded, or compiled into your kernel.  It should work with
standard dev, udev or devfs setups.  So, as long as your laptop supports
APM and you are using APM and not ACPI it should work.  For example, I
am have a Satellite 2805-S401 which supports both APM and ACPI.  In my
case I normally use ACPI and reboot with 'acpi=off apm=on' on the kernel
command line when I need to go back to APM to test something (like
toshutils).

If you are using ACPI (which is the only thing support by newer models),
then consider the toshset package, which I also maintain.  Basically
with that, all you need is toshiba_acpi support (modular or static).

The main difference between toshutils and toshset is that toshutils is a
collection of different applications, including GUI tools.  On the other
hand, toshet is just one cli application that gives access to the
various Toshiba hardware interfaces by setting different switches on the
command line.

-Roberto

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Re: [OT] Good book about GNU/Linux structure

2005-11-04 Thread Karsten M. Self
Old question, but ... 

on Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 09:56:49PM +0200, Nobrin ;-" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Great! That's what I'm looking for. Do you know any text about this?

Kernighan & Pike's _The UNIX Programming Environment_, Prentice Hall,
1985 (or thereabouts) is a dated but very good reference on the
fundamental Unix philosophy (which of course carries over to GNU/Linux).
I recommend it though much of the specifics have changed, because if you
grok the fundamentals, you can pretty much  work out everything else.

Otherwise, _Running Linux_ is probably among the more useful general
books since.
 
> Thanks!
> 
> ps The idea of linux from scratch is great too.
> 
> > Hi Norbin,
> > here is a simplified view on unix:
> > hardware->kernel-modules->kernel->libraries->applications/servers
> > harware(screen,mouse,hard drive,modem...)
> > kernel modules allow the kernel to communicate with hardware
> > the kernel controls the hardware and communicates with libraries
> > libraries contain common functions or logic that program need
> > applications do what you want(edit document,read mail)
> > servers do thing that need to be done without interventions like
> > printing, apache, disk io, swapping

<...>

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Calling on Toshiba users

2005-11-04 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
[I am not on -laptop, so please CC me when replying from that list]

Greetings,

I maintain the Debian package for toshutils.  I have prepared a new
version for upload.  However, there are some changes to allow it to
compile with gcc-4.0 (the current version was released upstream in the
latter half of 2001).  I would like for some adventerous Toshiba laptop
users out there to download the packages and provide some feedback.  If
the response is positive, I will submit the package for upload.

Sid package:

http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/debian/uploads/

Sarge package:

 deb http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/debian/ sarge main
 deb-src http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/debian/ sarge main

Thanks,

-Roberto

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Re: Sound on Opliplex GX150

2005-11-04 Thread mulvihill

Chris Bannister wrote:

> Did the "Analog devices AD1885 Integrated Audio" driver install ok in
> Windows?
>
> Seems like a h/w prob if Windows says its ok but it still won't play.
>
> Speakers in right plug?
> Speakers ok in another computer?
> ...

Sorry for the long delay before replying. Yes, the Windows driver did
install
OK, the speakers are in the right plug, and they do work in another
computer.

So I have come to the same conclusion as you, that it must be a
hardware
problem. I would just buy another sound card and be done with it, but
this machine has half height PCI slots which complicates matters. I
might
try a USB sound card. There are some very cheap ones on ebay but they
are unbranded so I have no way of knowing in advance whether they
will work with the linux drivers.

Thanks for the help anyway.

Ben


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Re: Using USB and Visor module

2005-11-04 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 17:31 +0100, Patrick Mulder wrote:
> Dear experts,
> 
> I am a bit stuck with connecting the Palm TX via the
> USB to my Debian system. I upgraded to the 2.6.13.4
> Kernel and using an ASUS A7N8X-X motherboard. I am
> quite sure that the USB port is recognized correctly
> (excerpt from /proc/bus/usb/devices )
--snip--
> But somehow the dplsh and pilot-xfer still do not work
> properly:
> 
> # pilot-xfer -p /dev/ttyUSB1 -l
> 
>Listening to port: /dev/ttyUSB1
> 
>Please press the HotSync button now... connected!
> 
> 
>Error read system info on /dev/ttyUSB1
> 
> The latest output of /var/log/messages is:
--snip--
> Has anyone ideas or experience on getting more
> information of the statuse of communication to USB and
> the Visor module ? What are interestings files and
> versions of source code to look at ? Or wath
> configuration can be tried as well ?

(sorry if this is a duplicate. The original doesn't seem to have made it
to the list.)

I've spent a lot of time in the last couple of months wrestling with all
things Pilot related on my system. The one thing that actually works
pretty well in the whole setup is the visor module.

Most of the problems end up being caused by the software you use to
sync. While I'm not sure about the TX, I can tell you that with my T5,
the default use of pilot-xfer for me doesn't work. The T5 connects to
the system as soon as you plug it in. After starting a hotsync, it
actually disconnects and then immediately re-connects. In this case,
what you need to do with pilot-xfer is:

1) plug in the Palm and let it settle for a second or two
2) start the hotsync ON THE PALM
3) run pilot-xfer on your machine

Using this method, I can always get the connection to succeed.

There are plenty of other problems to be encountered. If you happen to
decide to use gnome-pilot you will be largely on your own as the
maintainer is almost completely unresponsive. Filed bugs are an average
of 2 years old, and the only bugs that have been closed recently have
either been fixed by an NMU or by a different package which gnome-pilot
uses being fixed by the maintainer for that package.
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Re: Icon zooming disappeared?

2005-11-04 Thread Alan Ianson
On Fri November 4 2005 02:46 am, marc wrote:
> After applying the testing update to KDE 3.4, a large number of my
> settings have been trounced. Most I've been able to recover, but I
> cannot find the icon zooming feature when hovering over icons in the
> taskbar (panel/kicker). Instead it has been ousted by a truly horrible
> enormous "tooltip" that tautologically replicates the original icon.
> Ugh!
>
> This feature was controlled in
> Control Centre/Desktop/Panels/Appearance/Enable icon zooming
>
> This has been eradicated and replaced by
> Enable icon mouseover effects
>
> That would be fine if it were obvious where the effects have been
> hidden.
>
> Please let me know if you have any idea where its been hidden. Thanks.

Your right, those tool tips a just nasty. It would have been better if icon 
zooming was left there along with an option for the tool tips.


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Problem setting the screen resolution with Gnome and X-Windows

2005-11-04 Thread Redefined Horizons

I'm having some trouble setting the screen resolution on the Debian Sarge box I have installed at work.
(I did get it inside, working with my workstation's monitor and keyboard, and running on the switch. Now I can just toggle back and forth between the two computers!)
Gnome shows only two resolution settings under the Desktop Preferences>Screen Resolution menu. The 2 screen settings are "640x480" and "800x600".
I thought I could just add the new resolution settings to the XF86Config-4 file, restart X, and set the new screen resolution via Gnome's Desktop Preferences window.
However, after restarting X, or even rebooting, the new screen resolution is not appearing.
Here is the important section from my XF86Config-4 file:
Section "Screen"
Identifier "Default Screen"
Device "NVIDIA Corporation NV4 [RIVE TNT]
Monitor "Generic Monitor"
Default Depth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 1
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 4
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 15
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 15
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection
Any ideas what might be wrong, or how I would go about fixing this? Is there a way to set the screen resolution via the terminal?
Thanks,
 
Scott Huey


RE: GRUB & Sarge & Win 98 (Try #2)

2005-11-04 Thread Hodgins Family

Good afternoon!

Someone's been putting grapefruit juice in my grapefruit juice again! :)
I'll just repost with the page reference and hope no one notices...how's 
that?



I just was running a dual boot machine (Sarge & Win 98) nicely when
something wrong happened and I got to reinstall Win 98. Since that I can`t
boot my Debian Gnu/Linux System. So here is my question:

-"How do I reinstall Grub in MBR the way I`ll can boot both systems
again?"


I found this page a while back. I haven't tried it yet. It might give you
some ideas.

http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Multiboot-with-GRUB.html#toc2

HTH

Rob


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Re: finding files by content from the command-line

2005-11-04 Thread Brad Sawatzky
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005, Matt Price wrote:

> Having checked out beagle and quite liked it, I seet here ae also
> various graphical file-finding tools outthere, e.g. the gnome "search
> for files" program, that allow content searches (e.g., "contains the
> text"-type searhcing).  In many cases similar effects can be achieved
> using find andor grep, but when searching for an mp3 or for text in an
> openoffice document this strikes me as inefficient.  Does anyone know
> of a command-line tool that can deploy backends like pdf2text & other
[snip]

I use 'glimpse' to do this.  Periodically run the glimpse indexer over the
directories of interest and you have a fast content-based search engine for
your local files.  glimse has a mechanism to filter/convert files using
other software prior to indexing so you can index useful text from most any
file type (see the .glimpse_filters file below).

(Note that the potential for security problems multiplies rapidly with
the number of extra parsers you invoke on arbitrary data. YMMV.)

Here's my 'glimpse.notes' file that summarizes how I set this up.  For the
most part it is a concatenation of various bash scripts and glimpse
dot-files.  The '#*' header lines delimit the different files (or
file-fragments) and give a sample pathname for the file if applicable.

I hope this is clear enough :-)

-- Brad

###
## Crontab entries
0  1 * * 0 nice /home/joe-user/bin/glimpseindex.sh
0  5 * * * nice /home/joe-user/bin/glimpseindex.sh -f 

###
## /home/joe-user/bin/glimpseindex.sh
#--
#! /bin/bash
glimpseindex -o -t -B -M 16 -z "$@" >& ~/.glimpse_index.log
#--

###
## Convenience commands (bash shell functions)
#--
function glwin() {
  # This just kicks out filenames with content matching the search string.
  # I find myself using this command most frequently.
  glimpse -N -j -y -z -w -i "$@" |\
perl -n -e 'chomp; s/$ENV{HOME}/~/; printf("\t\x1b[0;31m%s\x1b[0m\n",$_);' 
|\
$PAGER;
}
function glwi() {
  # This command also returns the match along with a few lines of context
  # from the files.  Because of the way glimpse functions (at least the way
  # I have it set up) this can take /much/ longer to return.
  glimpse -j -y -z -w -i "$@" |\
gawk -F : '{print gensub($1.":","\x1b[0;31m&\x1b[0m\n",1,$0)}' |\
$PAGER;
}

###
## /home/joe-user/.glimpse_exclude
#--
.glimpse_
music/
.mp3$
.mpg$
.mpeg$
.png$
.gif$
.jpg$
.jpeg$
.eps$
.eps.gz$
.eps.bz2$
/tmp/
Cache/
cache/
.iso.
.img.
.log$
.dwb
#--

###
## /home/joe-user/.glimpse_filters
#--
*.Z$gzip -dc
*.z$gzip -dc
*.gz$   gzip -dc
*.bz2$  bzip2 -dc
*.zip$  unzip -l
*.tar$  tar tf 
*.tgz$  tar tzf 
*.pdf$  glimpsepdftotext
*.ps$   pstotext 
*.html$ w3m -dump 
*.htm$  w3m -dump 
*.ps.gz$pstotext 
*.ps.bz2$   pstotext 
*.tar.gz$   tar tf 
*.tar.bz2$  tar tf 
/mail/  mbox2txt
#--

###
## /home/joe-user/bin/glimpsepdftotext
#--
#!/bin/bash
# Wrapper to rearrange arguments passed by glimpseindex for use with pdftotext
exec /usr/bin/pdftotext -q "$1" -
#--


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Re: wrangling screen and btdownloadcurses [solved]

2005-11-04 Thread Mitch Wiedemann
Mitch Wiedemann wrote:

>Greetings all,
>
>I have a custom GNU/Linux live CD that I am offering for download via
>bittorrent.  I have been using a "screen" session to run
>"btdownloadcurses" to seed the download on my Web server.  This works
>just fine for a while and then stops working until I kill the 
>btdownloadcurses and restart it.
>
>Can anyone tell me how to get this to work more reliably (without timing
>out, or whatever it's doing)?
>
>I have a working bash script to start the screen + btdownloadcurses that
>I am considering scheduling every hour with cron.  But I would need
>another script to gracefully kill the screen + btdownload first.
>
>All of this has gotten rather Rube Goldberg-esque, so I thought it might
>be time to ask for help. :)
>
>  
>

Here's an update to my previously posted conundrum (included below) for
posterity.

The problem wasn't that the "seed" client was timing out, or anything
like that.  The problem was that the seed client (btdownloadcurses) was
never registering with the tracker that was running on the same server.

The solution was to build my .torrent file in a different manner so that
my seed client could properly communicate with the tracker that was
running on the localhost.

So, instead of building the .torrent file like this:
btmakemetafile http://my.webserver.org:6969/announce hugefile.iso

I had to build it with this command:
btmakemetafile http://localhost:6969/announce hugefile.iso

I also run the btdownloadcurses client with the "--ip [my.ext.ip.addr]"
option.

With the revised .torrent file, I can run my tracker and my seed client
quite happily from the same host, and (this is the important bit) other
hosts can find and use the seed.

Nice.

The updated howto is here if anyone cares;
http://ithacafreesoftware.org/Members/mitch/notebook/bt_howto

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Re: GRUB & Sarge & Win 98

2005-11-04 Thread Hodgins Family

Good afternoon!


I just was running a dual boot machine (Sarge & Win 98) nicely when
something wrong happened and I got to reinstall Win 98. Since that I can`t
boot my Debian Gnu/Linux System. So here is my question:

-"How do I reinstall Grub in MBR the way I`ll can boot both systems 
again?"


I found this page a while back. I haven't tried it yet. It might give you 
some ideas.


HTH

Rob 



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Re: Icon zooming disappeared?

2005-11-04 Thread Ryan Schultz
On Friday 04 November 2005 05:46 am, marc wrote:
> After applying the testing update to KDE 3.4, a large number of my
> settings have been trounced. Most I've been able to recover, but I
> cannot find the icon zooming feature when hovering over icons in the
> taskbar (panel/kicker). Instead it has been ousted by a truly horrible
> enormous "tooltip" that tautologically replicates the original icon.
> Ugh!
>
> Please let me know if you have any idea where its been hidden. Thanks.

Icon zooming has been removed from KDE. A quote from the blog of Aaron Seigo, 
the current kicker coder: "now, i'd really like to simply `rm -rf` the 
transparency support in kicker 3.5 and tell people to deal with it until 
there is proper support in X and Qt for these things. really, i would. but my 
survival instincts tell me that i'd prefer to live a few more years rather 
than be lynched by the hordes of users who just can't live without such 
important things as a kicker that paints the same background as the desktop. 
this from the guy who removed icon zooming."

So now we get the huge tooltip. *shrug*

Hope that explains it.

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Re: Solaris: The Most Advanced OS?

2005-11-04 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Nov 04 13:20 -0600]:

> Sounds like a crime to me. In Texas, at least, such an act would be
> criminal.

Perhaps so, but I'm not in a position with my company to pursue that.

> And this has what relevance to the thread about Solaris?

Since this thread is already pretty much off-topic for DebU, what
difference does it make if my post is off-topic?

- Nate >>

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Re: What to do with attackers?

2005-11-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 November 2005 15:37, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Am Freitag, den 04.11.2005, 09:30 -0500 schrieb Gene Heskett:
>> Rejecting the attackers packets just confirms
>> that you are indeed there.  I'd much druther just be a black hole, a
>> bottomless bit bucket per sei.
>
>Please compare:
>
>This host does not exist:
># ping 192.168.0.123
>
>PING 192.168.0.123 (192.168.0.123) 56(84) bytes of data.
>From 192.168.0.69 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
>From 192.168.0.69 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
>From 192.168.0.69 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable
>From 192.168.0.69 icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable
>From 192.168.0.69 icmp_seq=5 Destination Host Unreachable
>From 192.168.0.69 icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachable
>
>--- 192.168.0.123 ping statistics ---
>7 packets transmitted, 0 received, +6 errors, 100% packet loss, time
>6096ms, pipe 3
>
>
>
>And this one drops packages:
>
># ping www.mopo.de
>PING www.mopo.de (62.201.164.170) 56(84) bytes of data.
>
>--- www.mopo.de ping statistics ---
>37 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 36017ms
>
>
>
>
>See the difference?
>
>So, the best way is to tell the other machine:
>"I am there, but you will not get in. Go away."
>
>
>Most attackers will anyway hammer your machine and not care about the
>difference.
>
>Bye, Ratti

Well, that could happen I guess, but here, theres no log record of it
occuring.

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Re: What to do with attackers?

2005-11-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 November 2005 11:15, Jon Dowland wrote:
>On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 09:30:30AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> Sorry, I don't agree.  Rejecting the attackers packets just confirms
>> that you are indeed there.
>
>Unless you are rejecting all traffic on all ports (so that rules out any
>server then) they'll know you are there anyway.
>
>> 2 of those got past iptabes because they came from a verizon dns
>> server I was using but had been kitted.  I send vz a nastygram, and
>> they re-image the box till the next time.
>
>I remember you writing this in a previous message. Quite an interesting
>entry-vector!

Yup, it got to where I had to put that address into the
portsentry.ignore file, else I kept losing my dns with no clue why. 
The 2nd, backup server, they run was never accessed that I know of.

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Re: What is a soname?

2005-11-04 Thread Paulo M C Aragão
John,

John M. Gabriele wrote on Nov,  4:
> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Library-related_Commands_and_Files

And thanks for this wiki link. I hadn't heard of it. It's in my bookmarks now !

Paulo


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Re: Serial ATA Hardware RAID recommendations?

2005-11-04 Thread David Kirchner
On 11/4/05, Chris Boot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'd like to probe the list to see what hardware RAID solutions people
> can recommend that will:
>
> 1. Take 5/6 SATA disks for RAID 5/6/10
> 2. Allow them to be hot-plugged (with or without Jeff Garzik's
> in-progress SATA hotplug patches)
> 3. Do the work in hardware
> 4. Be fast and reliable
>
> All I've done previously is software RAID 10 which I'm happy with, but
> I'm now building a high-performance database / file server and don't
> want the machine spending time calculating parity and so on.
>
> Many thanks,
> Chris

I've used 3ware SATA RAID cards (8xxx and 9xxx series) for a long
time, in several servers, and I love 'em. They work far better than
any SCSI RAID cards I've used (except for raw speed, of course. SCSI >
SATA) and are supported very well under Linux and FreeBSD.

I don't know how well they work with Linux "hotplug" stuff, but I do
know that you can hot swap the drives within RAIDs easily, as that's
all handled by the card itself.



GRUB & Sarge & Win 98

2005-11-04 Thread calvesmit
Hello guys, 

I just was running a dual boot machine (Sarge & Win 98) nicely when 
something wrong happened and I got to reinstall Win 98. Since that I can`t 
boot my Debian Gnu/Linux System. So here is my question: 

-"How do I reinstall Grub in MBR the way I`ll can boot both systems again?" 

Thanks in advance. 

P.S.: I have some Live CD`s of Knotix and Demo Linux, if it matters. 

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Re: Solaris: The Most Advanced OS?

2005-11-04 Thread Steve Block

On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 04:26:21AM +0800, Heimdall Midgard wrote:

2005/11/4, Yuriy Kuznetsov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

[trimmed]


I do agree with Lars regarding Solaris being on edge of advanced
technologies. Besides S10 now open sourced (visit www.opensolaris.org,
download and try yourself, also plenty of blogs by different
categories) to community and Sun is planning to work very close with
community developing future releases of Solaris.
I'm not here to say anything against Debian but it's very difficult to
say which one is the best unless you give it a try...


I think it's time we emphasize the fact that Debian is not (just)
Linux. Debian also comes in BSD and GNU/Hurd flavors. If Open Soalries
is free as well as open, you can be sure some develepors are already
working on a Solaris port that will make the claim moot. When such a
thing happens, it would be like claiming Debian is a better OS than
Red Hat.


There is in fact just such a Debian GNU/Solaris project in the works. I
ran across it on OSNews a short while back.

http://www.gnusolaris.org/gswiki

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Re: HD in PIO Mode since kernel 2.6.14

2005-11-04 Thread Ricardo Teixeira

Alvin Oga wrote:


On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Ricardo Teixeira wrote:

 


Hi,

Since I updated to 2.6.14-1-686, hda is in PIO mode, and when I do 
hdparm -d1 /dev/hda i get "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted".
   



says the kernel doesn't like your ide chipset ...

- lspci | grep -i ide
 


$ lspci |grep -i ide
:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE 
Controller (rev 03)




- you can either try to manually insmod the ide driver
for the ide chipset or build your own kern
 


How do I know wich module to insmod? Btw, what's insmod?


c ya
alvin


 

But I'm using the default kernel. And my ide chipset is a common one. 
It's a centrino laptop. It _WAS_ supported until now, why stop 
supporting it?


Thanks


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Re: ATA 80GB disk recommendation

2005-11-04 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,

If you have an 80GB ATA disk that you think is terrific, could you post it?

Checking http://www.storagereview.com/ is not conclusive regarding MTTF.

My current Maxtor 6Y080P0 is a year and a half old, doing good.
My SAMSUNG SP0802N is 6 months old and failing.



Thanks for all your answers.

I guess my trackrecord is average.

Indeed the HDD is the weakest link in the system chain as one of you 
pointed out: my HP Deskjet Plus is 15 years old and running fine!


Reason for 80GB: there is absolutely no need for anything bigger in my case.

I am faithful on the backups. Of course that means CD-RW's with mondo. 
And that means that I can recover all I need immediately, but not 
everything if both disks go.


I am always watching now for signs of breakup. smartctl does a good job. 
Not perfectly: better to tail kern.log on my other screen: that shows 
dma being turned off and the I/O errors from the kernel.


I am leaning now to a Seagate because of the 5 year warranty and a WD.

H


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Re: What to do with attackers?

2005-11-04 Thread Ralph Katz
On 11/04/2005 06:30 AM, Thomas wrote:
> Hello there,
> 
> recently, i can see ofthen brute force attacks in my ssh logfile.
> A friend of mine, who has the same ISP gets the same bruteforce attacks.
> 
> What would be an adequate reaction to repeated ssh bruteforce attacks?
> 
> Should i contact the owner of the attackers ip address?
> Should i do something else?
> 
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Thomas

Re: SSH attack
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/10/msg00430.html


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Re: Solaris: The Most Advanced OS?

2005-11-04 Thread Kent West

Heimdall Midgard wrote:


I think it's time we emphasize the fact that Debian is not (just)
Linux. Debian also comes in BSD and GNU/Hurd flavors. If Open Soalries
is free as well as open, you can be sure some develepors are already
working on a Solaris port that will make the claim moot.


Hal Vaughan wrote:

(And, besides, didn't I read somewhere that Debian is working on a distro for 
Solaris?)



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Re: What to do with attackers?

2005-11-04 Thread Joerg Rossdeutscher
Hi,

Am Freitag, den 04.11.2005, 09:30 -0500 schrieb Gene Heskett:
> Rejecting the attackers packets just confirms
> that you are indeed there.  I'd much druther just be a black hole, a
> bottomless bit bucket per sei.

Please compare:

This host does not exist:
# ping 192.168.0.123

PING 192.168.0.123 (192.168.0.123) 56(84) bytes of data.
From 192.168.0.69 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.0.69 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.0.69 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.0.69 icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.0.69 icmp_seq=5 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.0.69 icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachable

--- 192.168.0.123 ping statistics ---
7 packets transmitted, 0 received, +6 errors, 100% packet loss, time
6096ms, pipe 3



And this one drops packages:

# ping www.mopo.de
PING www.mopo.de (62.201.164.170) 56(84) bytes of data.

--- www.mopo.de ping statistics ---
37 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 36017ms




See the difference?

So, the best way is to tell the other machine: 
"I am there, but you will not get in. Go away."


Most attackers will anyway hammer your machine and not care about the
difference.

Bye, Ratti

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Re: finding files by content from the command-line

2005-11-04 Thread mikepolniak
On 10:36 Fri 04 Nov , Matt Price wrote:
> Having checked out beagle and quite liked it, I seet here ae also
> various graphical file-finding tools outthere, e.g. the gnome "search
> for files" program, that allow content searches (e.g., "contains the
> text"-type searhcing).  In many cases similar effects can be achieved
> using find andor grep, but when searching for an mp3 or for text in an
> openoffice document this strikes me as inefficient.  Does anyone know
> of a command-line tool that can deploy backends like pdf2text & other
> such readers to search for text or tags in a directory hierarchy?  And
> if not, do you think that's because such a tool simply isn't
> necessary, and I should just learn to limit my grep/find searches a
> little more efficiently?
 
I have used 'glimpse' for searching text in files:

"Glimpse (which stands for GLobal IMPlicit SEarch) is a very popular UNIX
indexing and query system that allows you to search through a large set
of files very quickly. Glimpse supports most of agrep's options (agrep is
our powerful version of grep) including approximate matching (e.g.,
finding misspelled words), Boolean queries, and even some limited forms
of regular expressions."
 


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Serial ATA Hardware RAID recommendations?

2005-11-04 Thread Chris Boot

Hi all,

I'd like to probe the list to see what hardware RAID solutions people 
can recommend that will:


1. Take 5/6 SATA disks for RAID 5/6/10
2. Allow them to be hot-plugged (with or without Jeff Garzik's 
in-progress SATA hotplug patches)

3. Do the work in hardware
4. Be fast and reliable

All I've done previously is software RAID 10 which I'm happy with, but 
I'm now building a high-performance database / file server and don't 
want the machine spending time calculating parity and so on.


Many thanks,
Chris

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Re: Solaris: The Most Advanced OS?

2005-11-04 Thread Heimdall Midgard
2005/11/4, Yuriy Kuznetsov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

[trimmed]

> I do agree with Lars regarding Solaris being on edge of advanced
> technologies. Besides S10 now open sourced (visit www.opensolaris.org,
> download and try yourself, also plenty of blogs by different
> categories) to community and Sun is planning to work very close with
> community developing future releases of Solaris.
> I'm not here to say anything against Debian but it's very difficult to
> say which one is the best unless you give it a try...

I think it's time we emphasize the fact that Debian is not (just)
Linux. Debian also comes in BSD and GNU/Hurd flavors. If Open Soalries
is free as well as open, you can be sure some develepors are already
working on a Solaris port that will make the claim moot. When such a
thing happens, it would be like claiming Debian is a better OS than
Red Hat.

When your two products are using similar parts, it really boils down
to ease of use, or in most cases, ease of configuration issues. For
users of the various GNU/Linux systems the question could be rephrased
as: Is Distro X better configured than Distro Y. Or alternatively is
Distro X easier to configure than Distro Y.

Using such criterion, I think the only OS that could remotely stake a
claim to being the most advanced OS is Mac OSX. It has the right blend
of ease of use, ease of configuration, security and system stability.
That is, any shortcomings in security or system stability (medium) is
offset by OSX's ease of use (high).



Re: What is a soname?

2005-11-04 Thread John M. Gabriele


--- Paulo M C Aragão <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Tshepang,
> 
> > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:09:20AM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > With the current ABI transitions, I have noted a lot of mention about
> > > soname changes, always wondering what it means. Could someone
> > > explain... thanks
> 
> This is where I very recently learned what a 'soname' is:
> 
> http://www.dwheeler.com/program-library/Program-Library-HOWTO/x36.html
> 
> These were also very useful to me:
> 
> http://www.iecc.com/linker/linker10.html
>
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-shlibs.html?ca=dgr-lnxw04SharedLib
> 
> If, after reading these, the concepts are still not clear, write back and
> I'll 
> tell you what I understood.
> 
> Paulo
> 

Thanks Paulo. I added those links to the bottom of:
http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Library-related_Commands_and_Files

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Re: How can I add my startup programs to gnome session

2005-11-04 Thread James Strandboge
On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 03:14 +0800, 张勇顺 wrote:
> hi
> 
> 
>   How can I add my startup programs to gnome session
> 
> 
> i am add the /usr/share/gnome/default.session

No.  These files are not meant to be edited by the user, as they will
get overwritten on upgrade.

Instead, from within gnome, go to Applications/Desktop
Preferences/Advanced/Sessions

Click the 'Startup Programs' tab and add what you want.  When done, type
in a terminal:

gnome-session-save

Or just remember to check the checkbox to save your session when logging
out the next time.

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Re: Asterisk Problems

2005-11-04 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 10:07 +0200, John Oxley wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to get asterisk running on a Debian sarge box with a Zaptel
> card (:00:09.0 Network controller: Tiger Jet Network Inc. Tiger3XX
> Modem/ISDN interface) in it.
> 
> I have installed the zaptel drivers and they load fine.  My problem is
> with configuring asterisk.  I have had a look at AMP
> (http://amp.coalescentsystems.ca/) but I cannot get that working with
> the asterisk that comes with Debian.
> 
> Can anyone point me in the direction of a good web based frontend to
> asterisk, that's also free?

Honestly, I haven't found one yet. Your best bet is to just learn to
handle the config files directly. The wiki pages are a great reference
and have pretty much every config option spelled out in great detail. It
really only takes a couple of days to get familiar with the configs, and
after you do you'll be able to do some really great stuff with the
system.

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Re: qemu & vt's

2005-11-04 Thread Lubos Vrbka

bad news for you from http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/faq.html,

QEMU does not compile. Why ?
It is likely that you are using GCC 4.x: it is currently not supported
by QEMU. You must use GCC 3.x.



not hard of course :

CC="gcc-3.4" ./configure
worked for me.
./configure --cc="gcc-3.4"
should work too.

To get rid of those dependencies errors I did
apt-get build-dep qemu
before configuring.  sorry, should have said that before.
well, but the only reason why i do this is to get kqemu. my kernel is 
compiled with gcc 4.0.2 so i need the module to be built with that 
version of gcc as well... so i think i will have to stay with the 
non-accelerated qemu from the package collection...


thanks for help! best regards,

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Re: Solaris: The Most Advanced OS?

2005-11-04 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 04 November 2005 02:24 pm, Andy Streich wrote:
> On Friday 04 November 2005 09:11 am, Mike McCarty wrote:
> > On the whole, I'm happy with Linux. But in a side-by-side comparison,
> > IMO Solaris is superior.
> >
> > No flames, please.
...
> As Mike wrote: No flames, please.  But I'd be very interested in what
> others thing about this.
>
> Andy

I just wanted to add -- I've seen at least one post questioning whether this 
is on topic.  It may not be exactly on topic, but that begs the question: if 
Debian and Linux overall is part of the discussion, when does it go off 
topic.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who learns a lot from discussions like 
this.  

On a related note, with some background first: I am busy starting a new 
company.  Someone in another post mentioned about the phone switches and the 
maker shutting them off.  In my business, I mine data.  There is one source I 
use that is open to the public that was very helpful, and without it as a 
source of data, I could never have gotten my business going.  Almost exactly 
a year ago, they discontinued the data, and I thought it was all over.  While 
I knew of other sources, I did not have the time or resources yet to develop 
them before I would have gone broke.  Fortunately, after a few weeks, they 
started re-supplying the data.  (Luckily that source is now handled by the 
state and must be kept online by law!)

So what does that have to do with this?  I always knew I was taking a chance.  
If that data source were cut off before I had time to adapt to new ones, I 
knew I'd lose everything.  The people controlling that source controlled my 
business.  With one single permanent shutoff of a breaker for them, they 
could kill my company.  I was reminded of this in another post, where someone 
talked about the access level his company had to the phone switches, and how 
the maker shut them all off and hosed the company.  I refuse to depend on 
Windows, which could play any games you can imagine with auto-updates, or 
with forced upgrades and a forced obsolescence that is intended more to make 
profit than to help customers.

It was over time, as I realized that on Linux nobody controlled me, and all my 
choices were made out of what worked, not out of cost or from reacting to 
another company's policies.  I have heard good things about Solaris, but I 
never would have considered it for my business until it was made FOSS.

I'm lucky -- I started at a time when Linux was easy to use and learn for 
someone with business goals in mind.  By the time my business gets big enough 
to worry about things like batches of financial transactions or similar 
problems/blessings, Linux and other FOSS tools will likely be able to handle 
it (or I can always use Solaris now, since it is FOSS).

I know people are using Debian for different reasons, like stability, 
philosophy of software licensing, pricing, interest, and exploration of a new 
OS.  I think, as long as discussions stay away from flame wars, topics like 
his are a help to many people as we learn more about the open source world.  
(And, besides, didn't I read somewhere that Debian is working on a distro for 
Solaris?)

Hal


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Re: Sarge 3.10

2005-11-04 Thread ke6isf
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, List wrote:

> Is there an easy way to get X Windows working out of the box on Debian Sarge?

X, when installed here, Just Worked.  What are the symptoms?

-Dennis Carr


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Re: Solaris: The Most Advanced OS?

2005-11-04 Thread loos
Em Sex, 2005-11-04 às 11:24 -0800, Andy Streich escreveu:
> On Friday 04 November 2005 09:11 am, Mike McCarty wrote:
> > On the whole, I'm happy with Linux. But in a side-by-side comparison,
> > IMO Solaris is superior.
> >
> > No flames, please.
> 
> You are wise to include the "no flames" request.  As always this is as more 
> of 
> an emotional issue for many people than an intellectual or economic one.  
> 
> In asking what's best or what's superior you have to state for what intended 
> purpose.  I think it would be hard to make a case for Solaris being the best 
> OS to run on your workstation at home or your typical webhost when Debian 
> GNU/Linux is available.  But if your company is doing high volume stock and 
> banking transactions, Solaris may very well be the best.  In both cases it's 
> not just about the technical quality of the OS -- although that's critically 
> important --  it's also about the available community support.  In the former 
> case the community is the essentially the people on this mailing list.  In 
> the latter, I'd much prefer to look to -- and pay for -- the community of 
> engineers at Sun.  (One way in which Sun distinguishes itself is that it is 
> still a company where engineers dominate, as opposed to Microsoft, as someone 
> else mentioned, which is purely marketing driven.  Sadly the results can be 
> seen in their stock prices.)
> 
> I doubt many people on this list have much experience working in high-volume, 
> financial transaction environments where minutes of downtime correspond to 
> millions of dollars lost.  It's not reasonable IMO to expect OSS to serve 
> that market -- yet.  
> 
> As Mike wrote: No flames, please.  But I'd be very interested in what others 
> thing about this.

I worked a lot (2years/ 3 servers: Mail/Web/Firewall) with Sun stations
using Solaris. 
Here in Brasil the Service offered by SUN is abysmal: 
No 24/24 help desk, they work from 9h to 17h Monday to Friday.
Any question, really any question is only answered after they contact 
some central  organisation: delay:24-48h. In the case of hardware
failure we would have had to wait 3 (three) monthes before getting a new
NIC (failure on the firewall SUN/Solaris+Checkpoint). 
At that point we switched to a self build PIV/Asus/3Com station running
Debian./iptables.
Mean delay for a community answer:~6h, and 24/24 7/7.
Downtime in case of hardware failure: 1h, the time to go to a shop and
by a new part. (And 3 monthes to get the money back from the University,
but that's another problem).

There's no doubts here: Open Systems are much superior to proprietary
ones when you are far away from the owner.

Michel.



Re: ATA 80GB disk recommendation

2005-11-04 Thread Bruno Buys

Gnu-Raiz wrote:


On 19:14, Thu 03 Nov 05, Stephen Patterson wrote:
 


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I've had an IBM deskstar running just fine for the last 2 years.

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Is their any reason that you must have an 80 gig hard drive?
You can pick up a larger drive for about the same cost as
some 80 gig drives. To answer your direct question I have
used a Samsung 80 gig drive with Windows without any
problems. 


But I must say I also have a Seagate 120 gig, and a Maxtor
120 gig I would take the Seagate over the Maxtor just
because it has a 5 year warranty. In fact the Seagate has
only seen Gnu/Linux and *BSD's It was formated with the
Debian installer has never seen any Windows code if that
makes any difference, its also very easy on the ears. 


Saying that I must say that it has a easy life, my machine's
seem to be on 24/7 with good cooling. It crunches RC5-72 and
really does not get a good workout.

On the other hand my Samsung drive is pretty good, its in a
desktop case, the temp according to speedfan are in the 67
degree C range has poor cooling, hot to the touch enough to
burn you and has been in that situation for over a year.
Samsung usually has a three year warranty, and is very good,
mine is the 2 mb buffer cheap version. All these drives are
the ATA version's but I would recommend the Seagates, and
the Samsung to anyone, Maxtor has been touch and go with me
I had a 60 gig drive fail a couple of years ago.

I am sure everyone has a story about _insert drive
manufacture here_ failures. So to keep it simple I would go
for the drive which has the longest warranty, I think that
Seagate fits that bill. So shop around and find the best
deal, and warranty for your drive. Just remember to backup
all vital important data, that way if a drive fails you will
not have lost any important data.

Or in other words GOT BACKUP!

Gnu_Raiz


 


I couldn't help replying to this thread.
To me, simply there is no clear pattern on what brand is good or bad. My 
_insert_ drive manufacture here_ is seagate. Had three of them, the 
first one failed in like four months, warranty replaced, the second one 
lasted for like another four. The third one took six months, warranty 
voided already. The last one. Bought a new samsung, took six months, it 
hanged badly, one time, no turn back. Unlike the seagates, that died a 
slow death, the samsungs kinda suicided. Ok, new warranty replacement, 
the new one spins happily as I write this. I bought also a sata samsung, 
which also spins, but this one is 15 days old only. But I wouldn't say 
samsungs are good, too early.
I wish we had a clear cut pattern like samsungs are good, seagates are 
bad. That would boil down thing, but its not that simple. Hdds seems to 
me to be such troubling devices. Buying the one with the longest 
warranty seems a good strategy. Just remember this is no replacement for 
a backup scheme.



Maybe I'll stick to the other guy here, who is building a silent system, 
without hdd's someday...



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Re: nautilus cd-burner

2005-11-04 Thread Alexandru Cardaniuc
James Strandboge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > > gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > 
> >
> > > Still, what about gnome cd-burner? Is there a way to make it work?
> >  As root do:
> > 
> > dpkg-reconfigure --plow cdrecord
> 
> Oops!
> 
> dpkg-reconfigure -plow cdrecord

Thanks!

BTW, dpkg-reconfigure normally shows low priority questions no matter
what your default priority is (man dpkg-reconfigure).

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Re: Solaris: The Most Advanced OS?

2005-11-04 Thread Andy Streich
On Friday 04 November 2005 09:11 am, Mike McCarty wrote:
> On the whole, I'm happy with Linux. But in a side-by-side comparison,
> IMO Solaris is superior.
>
> No flames, please.

You are wise to include the "no flames" request.  As always this is as more of 
an emotional issue for many people than an intellectual or economic one.  

In asking what's best or what's superior you have to state for what intended 
purpose.  I think it would be hard to make a case for Solaris being the best 
OS to run on your workstation at home or your typical webhost when Debian 
GNU/Linux is available.  But if your company is doing high volume stock and 
banking transactions, Solaris may very well be the best.  In both cases it's 
not just about the technical quality of the OS -- although that's critically 
important --  it's also about the available community support.  In the former 
case the community is the essentially the people on this mailing list.  In 
the latter, I'd much prefer to look to -- and pay for -- the community of 
engineers at Sun.  (One way in which Sun distinguishes itself is that it is 
still a company where engineers dominate, as opposed to Microsoft, as someone 
else mentioned, which is purely marketing driven.  Sadly the results can be 
seen in their stock prices.)

I doubt many people on this list have much experience working in high-volume, 
financial transaction environments where minutes of downtime correspond to 
millions of dollars lost.  It's not reasonable IMO to expect OSS to serve 
that market -- yet.  

As Mike wrote: No flames, please.  But I'd be very interested in what others 
thing about this.

Andy


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Re: ATA 80GB disk recommendation

2005-11-04 Thread k l u r t

Quoting Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Hi,

If you have an 80GB ATA disk that you think is terrific, could you post it?

Checking http://www.storagereview.com/ is not conclusive regarding MTTF.

My current Maxtor 6Y080P0 is a year and a half old, doing good.
My SAMSUNG SP0802N is 6 months old and failing.

Thanks!

H


Funny you should ask...

I just had my desktop's Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 die on me the other day. :(

Since it was about two months old, I'm still trying to figure out what went
wrong.

Maybe it was foolish and maybe I'll regret it but I did buy another Maxtor
(80gig 6l080P0 ATA/133).

I purchased the new drive from newegg.com; great price and extremely fast
delivery.

I didn't buy a larger capacity drive because I don't have a need for a lot of
storage on my desktop and the price was right = cheap!
(w/ a dvd burner... who needs more drive space on a desktop?).

Sid installed quickly and smoothly onto the new drive (it's always fun to
install Debian).

Going on one and a half days running - so far so good. :)

k l u r t



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Re: Solaris: The Most Advanced OS?

2005-11-04 Thread Mike McCarty

Nate Bargmann wrote:

* Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Nov 04 08:55 -0600]:



All the "Enterprise Level" features in the world fall flat on their
face when one cedes control of one's hardware to an outside company.



Several years ago we were installing phone switches from a well known
supplier.  About the same time I was at a company conducted school on


[snip]


Fast forward to this summer.  We received a memo to disable remote
access to the switches.  It seems we had terminated the maintenance
contracts with the manufacturer and they, in turn, were accessing every
switch they could and disabling our access.


Sounds like a crime to me. In Texas, at least, such an act would be
criminal.


The moral is to never allow your suppliers to have more control over
your business (or personal) assets than you do.


And this has what relevance to the thread about Solaris?

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Re: Solaris: The Most Advanced OS?

2005-11-04 Thread Mike McCarty

James Strandboge wrote:

On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 11:11 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:



I used Solaris for many years for serious embedded development work,


[snip]


I have to reboot my Windows machines). I only saw Solaris crash
two times in over five years.



Probably depends on what you are doing.  I have servers running 2.4
kernels that only have to be rebooted for kernel upgrades.  Otherwise
they are very solid.  Not to mention, if you are comparing commodity
hardware to Sun's, then these issues you are having could very well be
hardware related (you didn't mention hardware, so I thought I'd toss
that out).


I'm running on a Compaq Presario 2.7MHz machine. The lockups I've had
with Linux have, AFAICT, not been hardware related, and I would be
one who should know.


That sort of weirdness never happened with Solaris. I've also been
unable to umount the floppy, when I know there was no process using
it, using Linux.



This is probably fam running in the background.  This is a known issue
and many people just don't use fam as a result.  gamin with an inotify
kernel is/will be much better.


I just checked, and

$ ps -A | grep fam
 4415 ?00:00:04 fam

So perhaps that is it. I wouldn't know.


Linux seems to be more of a hacker/fiddler's dream, while Solaris
is more of a let's get the job done, it just runs sort of deal.



Hmm... I use and rely on GNU/Linux in production for my day to day work
without incident, and am quite happy with it.

That said, I will say that I really do NOT like the 2.6 kernel
development model.  With so much development happening on a 'stable'


I ran the Red Hat 6.2 release for some time several years ago,
and found it diffcult to keep up. I'm using 2.6 (I have used several
releases of it) and found it much easier, but also much less solid
than Solaris.


kernel, you can't help but introduce new bugs (there were no less than
12 'stable' patches to the 2.6.11 alone).  Leaving it up to the
distributors is a disservice to them and users because backporting
security patches from the latest upstream to Debian's stable kernel is
hard since the 2.6 series is such a moving target.  Of course, it is not
like this hasn't been discussed before


Agreed.

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How can I add my startup programs to gnome session

2005-11-04 Thread 张勇顺
hi


  How can I add my startup programs to gnome session


i am add the /usr/share/gnome/default.session
Default]
num_clients=7
0,id=default0
0,Priority=10
0,RestartCommand=gnome-wm --sm-client-id default0
1,id=default1
1,Priority=40
1,RestartCommand=gnome-panel --sm-client-id default1
2,id=default2
2,Priority=40
2,RestartCommand=nautilus --no-default-window --sm-client-id default2
3,id=default3
3,Priority=60
3,RestartCommand=gnome-cups-icon --sm-client-id default3
4,id=default4
4,Priority=40
4,RestartCommand=gnome-volume-manager --sm-client-id default4
5,id=default5
5,Priority=50
5,RestartCommand=vino-session --sm-client-id default5
6,id=default6
6,Priority=60
6,RestartCommand=eterm --sm-client-id default6
the eterm is not run when


  startup

help me



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Re: openoffice 2.0 fail on start (debian unstable)

2005-11-04 Thread Antonio Rodriguez
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 08:10:52PM -0800, yzhh wrote:
> Hi,all
> 
> Today I get openoffice 2.0 in debian unstable and found most of the
> components can not start. oowriter, oocalc, oobase and ooimpress all
> popup with a dialog asking me whether to recover an document
> "untitled1" (this should have been created during the startup). No
> matter I choose to recover (and "finish") or not, oo fail to start
> again. oomath and oodraw do startup successfully, but break down as
> soon as I click a menu and move mouse to another.

It used to have some kind of common command line interface, that you
could point at a pps, or doc file with 'openoffice file.whatever' and
the corresponding app would open it. (I use openoffice mostly to open
m$ files) This command line interface is not present anymore.


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Re: Solaris: The Most Advanced OS?

2005-11-04 Thread Gnu-Raiz
On 02:53, Fri 04 Nov 05, Basajaun wrote:
> Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> > On 11/4/05, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 11:19 +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > > Did you check the sun.com website which claims that Solaris 10 is the
> > > > most advanced OS on the planet? Could anyone tell me what grounds is
> > > > the claim based upon. I was surprised to see that claim and has anyone
> > >
> > > Surprised?  That someone claims that their product is the greatest?
> > >
> > > That's very naive.
> > >
> > > > out there used it to testify on its truthfullness?
> > >
> > > Why ask us?  Have you Googled?
> >
> > Sorry... I just wanted to get some somments.
> 
> "Sorry"? I hope you are being sarcastic. If anyone, Ron should be sorry
> for his bitter reply, not you for your question.
> 
> I guess that Sun does the usual thing, claiming that their product is
> The Best(TM). I am hopelessly ignorant, as Ron seems to be, of what the
> basis for that claim is, or if there's any at all.
> 
> I hope anyone in the list is more enlightened than me, and can make,
> for example, a brief comparison of Debian Etch and Solaris 10. _That_
> would be way more usefull than just calling you "naïve".
> 
>  Basajaun

This thread could almost be considered flame bait, or even a
big troll. Not to be mean or anything but you might want to
consider what list your posting this too? Its kind of like
asking a RedHat mailing list if Debian is the best linux
distro. 

In general to determine your question you really need to get
down to detail's. You need to compare each tool that is
available to both OS'es, you also need to consider what you
want out of the OS, is it a server, is it free software does
it support your hardware?

I would suggest give both a try, why not set up some spare
disk, and install Solaris then post back and tell us your
experience with the install and usage of the system.

If your an experenced *nix user its probably not a big deal,
you can probably get all the programs you use anyway. So it
really comes down to what the user wants.

For many it might come down to does it play Quake 4? If not
why not? Also what file system can I use with it beside's
the default.  That is one reason I don't use freebsd its not
that it doesn't work its the fact that its hard to get a
journaled file system for that OS.

Gnu_Raiz


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Re: qemu & vt's

2005-11-04 Thread Matt Price
On 11/4/05, derek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 06:23:44PM +0100, Lubos Vrbka wrote:
> ...
> > /home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/target-i386/ops_sse.h:574: error: unable to
> > find a register to spill in class 'GENERAL_REGS'
> > /home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/target-i386/ops_sse.h:574: error: this is the
> > insn:
> > (insn:HI 18 17 19 0 /home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/target-i386/ops_sse.h:569
> > (set (strict_low_part (subreg:HI (reg/v:DI 63 [ r ]) 0))
> > (mem/s/j:HI (plus:SI (mult:SI (reg:SI 64)
> > (const_int 2 [0x2]))
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> > (insn_list:REG_DEP_TRUE 53 (nil
> > (expr_list:REG_DEAD (reg:SI 64)
> > (nil)))
> > /home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/target-i386/ops_sse.h:574: confused by
> > earlier errors, bailing out
> > make[1]: *** [op.o] Error 1
> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/mnt/scratch/vrbka/_tmp/qemu-0.7.2/i386-user'
> > make: *** [all] Error 1
> ...
>
> bad news for you from http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/faq.html,
>
> QEMU does not compile. Why ?
> It is likely that you are using GCC 4.x: it is currently not supported
> by QEMU. You must use GCC 3.x.

not hard of course :

CC="gcc-3.4" ./configure
worked for me.
./configure --cc="gcc-3.4"
should work too.

To get rid of those dependencies errors I did
apt-get build-dep qemu
before configuring.  sorry, should have said that before.

matt

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Re: ATA 80GB disk recommendation

2005-11-04 Thread Gnu-Raiz
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> I've had an IBM deskstar running just fine for the last 2 years.
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Is their any reason that you must have an 80 gig hard drive?
You can pick up a larger drive for about the same cost as
some 80 gig drives. To answer your direct question I have
used a Samsung 80 gig drive with Windows without any
problems. 

But I must say I also have a Seagate 120 gig, and a Maxtor
120 gig I would take the Seagate over the Maxtor just
because it has a 5 year warranty. In fact the Seagate has
only seen Gnu/Linux and *BSD's It was formated with the
Debian installer has never seen any Windows code if that
makes any difference, its also very easy on the ears. 

Saying that I must say that it has a easy life, my machine's
seem to be on 24/7 with good cooling. It crunches RC5-72 and
really does not get a good workout.

On the other hand my Samsung drive is pretty good, its in a
desktop case, the temp according to speedfan are in the 67
degree C range has poor cooling, hot to the touch enough to
burn you and has been in that situation for over a year.
Samsung usually has a three year warranty, and is very good,
mine is the 2 mb buffer cheap version. All these drives are
the ATA version's but I would recommend the Seagates, and
the Samsung to anyone, Maxtor has been touch and go with me
I had a 60 gig drive fail a couple of years ago.

I am sure everyone has a story about _insert drive
manufacture here_ failures. So to keep it simple I would go
for the drive which has the longest warranty, I think that
Seagate fits that bill. So shop around and find the best
deal, and warranty for your drive. Just remember to backup
all vital important data, that way if a drive fails you will
not have lost any important data.

Or in other words GOT BACKUP!

Gnu_Raiz


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Re: Sarge 3.10

2005-11-04 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 06:18:11PM -, List wrote:
> Hi
> I have loaded ubuntu and got a working desktop system. I have loaded debian 
> sarge and got a broken desktop system.
> 
> Is there an easy way to get X Windows working out of the box on Debian Sarge?
> 

I have recently installed Sarge on a number of different computers.
Every single time, X worked "out of the box."  Perhaps if you provide
some more details, we can offer some suggestions.

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Sarge 3.10

2005-11-04 Thread List



Hi
I have loaded ubuntu and got a working desktop 
system. I have loaded debian sarge and got a broken desktop system.
 
Is there an easy way to get X Windows working out 
of the box on Debian Sarge?
 
Regards
 
Chris


Re: Solaris: The Most Advanced OS?

2005-11-04 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Nov 04 08:55 -0600]:

>  All the "Enterprise Level" features in the world fall flat on their
> face when one cedes control of one's hardware to an outside company.

Several years ago we were installing phone switches from a well known
supplier.  About the same time I was at a company conducted school on
the administration of the switches.  The instructor let it slip during
the discussion of access levels that our telephone engineers did not
have the highest level of access as that was reserved for the
manufacturer.  I raised the usual concern that this was not a good
policy for us to be involved with.  The "instructor" crowed that the
company in question would never shut us out of equipment that we had
paid for as that would damage their reputation, etc.

Fast forward to this summer.  We received a memo to disable remote
access to the switches.  It seems we had terminated the maintenance
contracts with the manufacturer and they, in turn, were accessing every
switch they could and disabling our access.

The moral is to never allow your suppliers to have more control over
your business (or personal) assets than you do.

- Nate >>

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kernell panic

2005-11-04 Thread Luigi Albert
ciao a tutti,

ho appena installato linux sul computer, lasciando una piccola
partizione per windows, ma ho un problema: quando accendo il computer,
dopo la schermata GNU GRUB, se lascio partire subito linux si blocca
tutto.

quello che leggo è:



 hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }

hda: dma_intr: status=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }

ide0: reset: success

 unable to read partition table

 /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0
/lun: [PTBL] [790/255/63] p1
Journalled Block Device Driver Loaded
hda2: bad access: block=2, count=2
end_request: I/O error, dev03:02 (hda), sector 2
EXT3 fs: unable to read superblock
pivot_root: No such file or directory
/sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file
kernel panic: attempted to kill init

se invece aspetto almeno un minuto prima di avviare linux tutto procede normalmente.
qualcuno sa aiutarmi?


Re: Solaris: The Most Advanced OS?

2005-11-04 Thread James Strandboge
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 11:11 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:

> I used Solaris for many years for serious embedded development work,
> as well as an embedded operating system. I've used Linux for just
> about a year. All the GNU tools can be compiled for Solaris, and
> it has a few which Linux doesn't have. Many more vendors build
> versions of their software for Solaris than do so for Linux. I also
> found the Solaris kernel to be much more robust than Linux. I only
> *had* to reboot my Solaris machine (running on a Sparc) one time in
> 5 years. It was rebooted maybe one to two times per year for some
> sort of upgrade or new install, otherwise. I find that I have to
> reboot my Linux machine far more often, maybe every month or two,
> to clear up some strange state (though far less often than
> I have to reboot my Windows machines). I only saw Solaris crash
> two times in over five years.
> 
Probably depends on what you are doing.  I have servers running 2.4
kernels that only have to be rebooted for kernel upgrades.  Otherwise
they are very solid.  Not to mention, if you are comparing commodity
hardware to Sun's, then these issues you are having could very well be
hardware related (you didn't mention hardware, so I thought I'd toss
that out).

> That sort of weirdness never happened with Solaris. I've also been
> unable to umount the floppy, when I know there was no process using
> it, using Linux.
> 
This is probably fam running in the background.  This is a known issue
and many people just don't use fam as a result.  gamin with an inotify
kernel is/will be much better.

> Linux seems to be more of a hacker/fiddler's dream, while Solaris
> is more of a let's get the job done, it just runs sort of deal.

Hmm... I use and rely on GNU/Linux in production for my day to day work
without incident, and am quite happy with it.

That said, I will say that I really do NOT like the 2.6 kernel
development model.  With so much development happening on a 'stable'
kernel, you can't help but introduce new bugs (there were no less than
12 'stable' patches to the 2.6.11 alone).  Leaving it up to the
distributors is a disservice to them and users because backporting
security patches from the latest upstream to Debian's stable kernel is
hard since the 2.6 series is such a moving target.  Of course, it is not
like this hasn't been discussed before

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kdeaddons install dependency problem (etch)

2005-11-04 Thread marc
I do not have the kde meta-package installed, because I do not want kde-
amusements installed. All other components of the kde meta-package are 
installed... except kdeaddons, which is stuck.

Here's the result [1] of
# aptitude install kdeaddons

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  kdeaddons: Depends: atlantikdesigner (>= 4:3.3.2-4) but it is not 
installable
 Depends: kaddressbook-plugins (>= 4:3.3.2-4) but it is not 
installable
 Depends: kate-plugins (>= 4:3.3.2-4) but it is not 
installable
 Depends: kdeaddons-kfile-plugins (>= 4:3.3.2-4) but it is 
not installable
 Depends: kicker-applets (>= 4:3.3.2-4) but it is not 
installable
 Depends: konq-plugins (>= 4:3.3.2-4) but it is not 
installable
 Depends: ksig (>= 4:3.3.2-4) but it is not installable
 Depends: noatun-plugins (>= 4:3.3.2-4) but it is not 
installable
 Depends: vimpart (>= 4:3.3.2-4) but it is not installable

If I then try
# aptitude install kdeaddons-kfile-plugins

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  kdeaddons-kfile-plugins: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.2-4.0.2) but it 
is not installable
   Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4) but it is 
not installable

Then[3]
# aptitude install libqt3c102-mt
whereupon it wants to instigate Armageddon[1].

I presume that this last is because it tries to remove libqt3-mt

The same problem exists when I try to install kde and kde-amusements - 
not that I  want these packages. 

I've tried purging everything that might be have a bad reference, and 
performed apt-get -f install, as well as a fresh aptitude update, 
upgrade and dist-upgrade.

Any ideas how to fix?

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Marc


[1]
# aptitude install libqt3c102-mt
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED:
  artsbuilder cvs dirmngr docbook-defguide dosfstools gnupg-agent gnupg2
  gpgsm juk kaboodle kaudiocreator kdeartwork-emoticons kdeartwork-misc
  kdeartwork-theme-icon kdebase-data kdelibs-data
  kdemultimedia-kappfinder-data kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins 
kdewallpapers
  kmid kmix krec kscd ksysguardd libao2 libarts1-audiofile libarts1-
mpeglib
  libarts1-xine libartsc0 libbluetooth1 libflac7 libgadu3 libgle3
  libgnokii2 libgphoto2-2 libgphoto2-port0 libieee1284-3 libjack0.100.0-
0
  libjpeg-progs libksba8 libltdl3 libmad0 libmal1 libmodplug0c2
  libmusicbrainz4c2 liboggflac3 libopenct1 libopenexr2c2 libopensc1
  libpcsclite1 libperl5.8 libpth2 libraw1394-5 libsamplerate0 libsane
  libsensors3 libsnmp-base libsnmp9 libspeex1 libtag1c2 libtidy0
  libtiff-tools libtunepimp-bin libtunepimp2c2 libvorbisenc2 
libvorbisfile3
  libxcomposite1 libxdamage1 libxfixes3 libxine1 menu-xdg mpeglib noatun
  perl-suid phpdoc poster quanta-data sane-utils tidy vorbis-tools
  wdg-html-reference xscreensaver xscreensaver-gl
The following packages will be automatically REMOVED:
  akode akregator ark arts cervisia dbus-qt-1c2 dcoprss gtk2-engines-
gtk-qt
  kaddressbook kalarm kamera kandy kappfinder karm kate kcalc 
kcharselect
  kcoloredit kcontrol kcron kdat kde-core kde-i18n-engb kdeadmin
  kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdeartwork kdeartwork-style
  kdeartwork-theme-window kdebase kdebase-bin kdebase-kio-plugins
  kdegraphics kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs kdelibs-bin kdelibs4c2
  kdelirc kdemultimedia kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork
  kdenetwork-filesharing kdenetwork-kfile-plugins kdepasswd kdepim
  kdepim-kfile-plugins kdepim-kio-plugins kdepim-kresources kdepim-
wizards
  kdeprint kdesktop kdessh kdeutils kdewebdev kdf kdict kdm kdvi kedit 
kfax
  kfilereplace kfind kfloppy kgamma kget kghostview kgpg khelpcenter
  khexedit kicker kiconedit kimagemapeditor kitchensync kjots 
klaptopdaemon
  kleopatra klinkstatus klipper kmail kmailcvt kmenuedit kmilo kmrml
  knewsticker knode knotes kolourpaint kommander kompare konqueror
  konqueror-nsplugins konsole konsolekalendar kontact kooka kopete
  korganizer korn kpackage kpager kpdf kpersonalizer kpf kpilot 
kpovmodeler
  kppp krdc kregexpeditor krfb kruler krusader kscreensaver
  kscreensaver-xsavers ksim ksirc ksmserver ksnapshot ksplash ksvg
  ksynaptics ksync ksysguard ksysv ktimer ktip ktnef kuickshow kuser 
kview
  kviewshell kwalletmanager kwifimanager kwin kxsldbg libarts1c2
  libcvsservice0 libkcal2b libkcddb1 libkdepim1a libkgantt0 
libkleopatra0a
  libkmime2 libkonq4 libkpimexchange1 libkpimidentities1 libkscan1
  libksieve0 libktnef1 libmimelib1c2 libqt3-mt librss1 networkstatus
  pinentry-qt qt3-dev-tools quanta secpolicy smb4k
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libqt3c102-mt
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  akode akregator ark arts cervisia dbus-qt-1c2 dcoprss gtk2-engines-
gtk-qt
  kaddressbook kalarm kamera kandy kappfinder karm kate kcalc 
kcharselect
  kcoloredit kcontrol kcron kdat kde-cor

Re: qemu & vt's

2005-11-04 Thread derek
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 06:23:44PM +0100, Lubos Vrbka wrote:
...
> /home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/target-i386/ops_sse.h:574: error: unable to 
> find a register to spill in class 'GENERAL_REGS'
> /home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/target-i386/ops_sse.h:574: error: this is the 
> insn:
> (insn:HI 18 17 19 0 /home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/target-i386/ops_sse.h:569 
> (set (strict_low_part (subreg:HI (reg/v:DI 63 [ r ]) 0))
> (mem/s/j:HI (plus:SI (mult:SI (reg:SI 64)
> (const_int 2 [0x2]))
> (reg/v/f:SI 59 [ s ])) [0 ._w S2 A16])) 52 
> {*movstricthi_1} (insn_list:REG_DEP_TRUE 16 (insn_list:REG_DEP_TRUE 12 
> (insn_list:REG_DEP_TRUE 53 (nil
> (expr_list:REG_DEAD (reg:SI 64)
> (nil)))
> /home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/target-i386/ops_sse.h:574: confused by 
> earlier errors, bailing out
> make[1]: *** [op.o] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/mnt/scratch/vrbka/_tmp/qemu-0.7.2/i386-user'
> make: *** [all] Error 1
...

bad news for you from http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/faq.html,

QEMU does not compile. Why ?
It is likely that you are using GCC 4.x: it is currently not supported
by QEMU. You must use GCC 3.x.


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wireless access suddenly broken not fixed

2005-11-04 Thread Paul Scott
I still don't have wireless access from sid potentially from an 
upgrade.  This was discussed in a recent thread with no conclusion.  I 
have no idea for further diagnosis.  ifup eth1 gives:


Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) :
   SET failed on device eth1 ; No such device.
Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2B) :
   GET failed on device eth1 ; No such device.
Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :
   SET failed on device eth1 ; No such device.
Internet Software Consortium DHCP Client 2.0pl5
Copyright 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 The Internet Software Consortium.
All rights reserved.

Please contribute if you find this software useful.
For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/dhcp-contrib.html

sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
Bind socket to interface: No such device
exiting.

Any more ideas?

TIA,

Paul Scott


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Re: What is a soname?

2005-11-04 Thread Paulo M C Aragão
Tshepang,

> On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:09:20AM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> > Hello,
> > With the current ABI transitions, I have noted a lot of mention about
> > soname changes, always wondering what it means. Could someone
> > explain... thanks

This is where I very recently learned what a 'soname' is:

http://www.dwheeler.com/program-library/Program-Library-HOWTO/x36.html

These were also very useful to me:

http://www.iecc.com/linker/linker10.html
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-shlibs.html?ca=dgr-lnxw04SharedLib

If, after reading these, the concepts are still not clear, write back and I'll 
tell you what I understood.

Paulo


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Re: qemu & vt's

2005-11-04 Thread Lubos Vrbka

qemu didn't mind, it was kqemu's request that i use gcc-3.4, but my
kernel was compiled by gcc-3.4.

ok, this makes sense. i'm trying to compile it right now, but:

gcc -Wall -O2 -g -fno-strict-aliasing -fomit-frame-pointer 
-mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -falign-functions=0 -fno-gcse 
-fno-reorder-blocks -fno-optimize-sibling-calls -I. 
-I/home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/target-i386 -I/home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2 
-I/home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/linux-user 
-I/home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/linux-user/i386 -D_GNU_SOURCE 
-D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE 
-I/home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/fpu -I/home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/slirp -c 
-o op.o /home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/target-i386/op.c
/home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/target-i386/ops_sse.h: In function 
'op_pshufw_mmx':
/home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/target-i386/ops_sse.h:574: error: unable to 
find a register to spill in class 'GENERAL_REGS'
/home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/target-i386/ops_sse.h:574: error: this is the 
insn:
(insn:HI 18 17 19 0 /home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/target-i386/ops_sse.h:569 
(set (strict_low_part (subreg:HI (reg/v:DI 63 [ r ]) 0))

(mem/s/j:HI (plus:SI (mult:SI (reg:SI 64)
(const_int 2 [0x2]))
(reg/v/f:SI 59 [ s ])) [0 ._w S2 A16])) 52 
{*movstricthi_1} (insn_list:REG_DEP_TRUE 16 (insn_list:REG_DEP_TRUE 12 
(insn_list:REG_DEP_TRUE 53 (nil

(expr_list:REG_DEAD (reg:SI 64)
(nil)))
/home/vrbka/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/target-i386/ops_sse.h:574: confused by 
earlier errors, bailing out

make[1]: *** [op.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/mnt/scratch/vrbka/_tmp/qemu-0.7.2/i386-user'
make: *** [all] Error 1

any hints? thanks for helping me. regards,

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Re: What to do with attackers?

2005-11-04 Thread Glenn English
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 12:48 +0100, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:

> > recently, i can see ofthen brute force attacks in my ssh logfile.
> > A friend of mine, who has the same ISP gets the same bruteforce attacks.
> > What would be an adequate reaction to repeated ssh bruteforce attacks?
> 
> Nothing. In fact, I manage some servers, and I get millions of these
> kind of attacks. If someone should take care of them, it would be a huge
> work. It's just like spam, just drop. OpenSSH is reliable enough ;-).

That's exactly what I was doing; then my log partition filled up. I
wrote a little shell script cron job that detects new ones and adds the
IP to the firewall's BadGuys chain for a couple days. 

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Re: Solaris: The Most Advanced OS?

2005-11-04 Thread Mike McCarty

Kent West wrote:

Basajaun wrote:



I hope anyone in the list is more enlightened than me, and can make,

for example, a brief comparison of Debian Etch and Solaris 10. _That_
would be way more usefull than just calling you "naïve".




I read something recently (wish I could remember where and what -
probably comments on this Slashdot article -
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/0418234&tid=90&tid=106)
that addressed some of this. What I remember was basically that the
userland utilities were far better in Debian, but the kernel in Solaris
was more robust, at least when you get to "enterprise levels" (of
hardware, multiple processors, hotswapping hardware, etc).

I've had a little experience with Solaris 10, and so far, I far prefer
Debian. But then I'm not using "enterprise level" hardware or have
"enterprise level" needs, which might make all the difference.



I used Solaris for many years for serious embedded development work,
as well as an embedded operating system. I've used Linux for just
about a year. All the GNU tools can be compiled for Solaris, and
it has a few which Linux doesn't have. Many more vendors build
versions of their software for Solaris than do so for Linux. I also
found the Solaris kernel to be much more robust than Linux. I only
*had* to reboot my Solaris machine (running on a Sparc) one time in
5 years. It was rebooted maybe one to two times per year for some
sort of upgrade or new install, otherwise. I find that I have to
reboot my Linux machine far more often, maybe every month or two,
to clear up some strange state (though far less often than
I have to reboot my Windows machines). I only saw Solaris crash
two times in over five years.

I can reliably force my Linux machine to get into a state where it
thinks the floppy is both mounted and unmounted. Then mount fails,
claiming that the floppy is already mounted, and umount fails,
claiming that it is not.

That sort of weirdness never happened with Solaris. I've also been
unable to umount the floppy, when I know there was no process using
it, using Linux.

The native cc for Solaris I found to be inferior to gcc, but
we installed gcc and it was happy as a clam.

I've used multi-processors with Solaris, but not with Linux, so
I don't know how well Linux performs with them, but Solaris
is great.

Linux seems to be more of a hacker/fiddler's dream, while Solaris
is more of a let's get the job done, it just runs sort of deal.

On the whole, I'm happy with Linux. But in a side-by-side comparison,
IMO Solaris is superior.

No flames, please.

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Re: qemu & vt's

2005-11-04 Thread derek
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 05:57:26PM +0100, Lubos Vrbka wrote:
> >i needed libsdl-dev. that's a virtual, provided by libsdl1.2-dev.
> >i also ended up needing gcc-3.4. kqemu was picky about that. so my
> >configure line look like,
> >$ ./configure --cc=gcc-3.4
> thanks, i'll give it a try.
> 
> it didn't compile with gcc-4.0? what about the kqemu module? my kernel 
> is compiled with 4.0 so kqemu has to be compiled with it as well...

qemu didn't mind, it was kqemu's request that i use gcc-3.4, but my
kernel was compiled by gcc-3.4.


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Using USB and Visor module

2005-11-04 Thread Patrick Mulder
Dear experts,

I am a bit stuck with connecting the Palm TX via the
USB to my Debian system. I upgraded to the 2.6.13.4
Kernel and using an ASUS A7N8X-X motherboard. I am
quite sure that the USB port is recognized correctly
(excerpt from /proc/bus/usb/devices )

*
T:  Bus=02 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 32
Spd=12  MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 1.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=16
#Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=0830 ProdID=0061 Rev= 1.00
S:  Manufacturer=Palm, I
S:  Product=Palm Handheld
S:  SerialNumber=PN70M9H5V2MM
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr=500mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 4 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=00 Prot=00
Driver=visor
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
E:  Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
E:  Ad=86(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
E:  Ad=07(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
*

But somehow the dplsh and pilot-xfer still do not work
properly:

# pilot-xfer -p /dev/ttyUSB1 -l

   Listening to port: /dev/ttyUSB1

   Please press the HotSync button now... connected!


   Error read system info on /dev/ttyUSB1

The latest output of /var/log/messages is:

***
Nov  2 18:55:54 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: USB
disconnect, address 32
Nov  2 18:55:54 localhost kernel: visor ttyUSB0:
Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now disconnected
from ttyUSB0
Nov  2 18:55:54 localhost kernel: visor ttyUSB1:
Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now disconnected
from ttyUSB1
Nov  2 18:55:54 localhost kernel: visor 2-1:1.0:
device disconnected
Nov  2 18:55:54 localhost kernel: ohci_hcd
:00:02.1: wakeup
Nov  2 18:55:54 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: new full
speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 33
Nov  2 18:55:55 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: new full
speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 34
Nov  2 18:55:55 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: Product:
Palm Handheld
Nov  2 18:55:55 localhost kernel: usb 2-1:
Manufacturer: Palm, Inc.
Nov  2 18:55:55 localhost kernel: usb 2-1:
SerialNumber: PN70M9H5V2MM
Nov  2 18:55:55 localhost kernel: visor 2-1:1.0:
Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter detected
Nov  2 18:55:55 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: Handspring
Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB0
Nov  2 18:55:55 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: Handspring
Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB1
Nov  2 18:55:55 localhost usb.agent[7811]:  visor:
already loaded
Nov  2 19:01:11 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: USB
disconnect, address 34
Nov  2 19:01:11 localhost kernel: visor 2-1:1.0:
device disconnected
Nov  2 19:01:11 localhost kernel: visor ttyUSB0:
Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now disconnected
from ttyUSB0
Nov  2 19:01:11 localhost kernel: visor ttyUSB1:
Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now disconnected
from ttyUSB1
Nov  2 19:01:11 localhost kernel: ohci_hcd
:00:02.1: wakeup
Nov  2 19:01:11 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: new full
speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 35
Nov  2 19:01:12 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: config
index 0 descriptor too short (expected 46, got 16)
Nov  2 19:01:12 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: config 1
has an invalid descriptor of length 9, skipping
remainder of the config
Nov  2 19:01:12 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: config 1
has 0 interfaces, different from the descriptor's
value: 1
Nov  2 19:01:12 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: Product:
Palm Ha
Nov  2 19:01:12 localhost kernel: usb 2-1:
Manufacturer: Palm, Inc.
Nov  2 19:01:12 localhost kernel: usb 2-1:
SerialNumber: PN70M9H5V2MM
**

Has anyone ideas or experience on getting more
information of the statuse of communication to USB and
the Visor module ? What are interestings files and
versions of source code to look at ? Or wath
configuration can be tried as well ?

Thanks,

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Re: qemu & vt's

2005-11-04 Thread Lubos Vrbka

i needed libsdl-dev. that's a virtual, provided by libsdl1.2-dev.
i also ended up needing gcc-3.4. kqemu was picky about that. so my
configure line look like,
$ ./configure --cc=gcc-3.4

thanks, i'll give it a try.

it didn't compile with gcc-4.0? what about the kqemu module? my kernel 
is compiled with 4.0 so kqemu has to be compiled with it as well...


thanks,

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Re: qemu & vt's

2005-11-04 Thread derek
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 05:36:34PM +0100, Lubos Vrbka wrote:
> ERROR: QEMU requires SDL or Cocoa for graphical output

i needed libsdl-dev. that's a virtual, provided by libsdl1.2-dev.

i also ended up needing gcc-3.4. kqemu was picky about that. so my
configure line look like,
$ ./configure --cc=gcc-3.4


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Re: qemu & vt's

2005-11-04 Thread Lubos Vrbka

you will need the source for qemu too. for example, if i'm in
/usr/local/src and i have the two sources downloaded...

$ tar xzf qemu-0.7.2.tar.gz
$ cd qemu-0.7.2
$ tar xzf ../kqemu-0.7.2.tar.gz
$ ./configure

this gave me the following error message:

ERROR: QEMU requires SDL or Cocoa for graphical output
To build QEMU with graphical output configure with --disable-gfx-check
Note that this will disable all output from the virtual graphics card.

i might continue with the --disable-gfx-check option, however i'd rather 
have graphics enabled. which debian package would provide me with SDL or 
Cocoa?


thanks for help,

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Re: What is a soname?

2005-11-04 Thread Paul E Condon
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:09:20AM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> Hello,
> With the current ABI transitions, I have noted a lot of mention about
> soname changes, always wondering what it means. Could someone
> explain... thanks
> 

I just googled soname. The top hit is a performer of contemporary Tibetan
mountain songs. This is probably not the answer you need. More likely is
something related to the .so extension for shared object files.

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Re: busybox in debian

2005-11-04 Thread Kent West
S guo wrote:

> Has anyone used the busybox in Debian? I read the introduction to the
> package "BusyBox" in Debian and thought it would be quite easy to use.
> However, I installed the package busybox, which is just BusyBox
> binary, and tried to run "busybox --install" in the directory where I
> would like to have the symlinks. Nothing happened!

Hmm; for me, it generated a bunch of error messages.

When I ran "busybox ls", I got a file listing, albeit a bit slower than
using the native "ls".

And that concludes my knowlege of busybox.

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Re: Getting Apache to transfer .sh file instead of trying to execute it as CGI

2005-11-04 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 04:03:26PM +0100, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
> Does anyone here have any idea about how I can persuade Apache to treat
> this shell script as a normal text file ?

I believe it is a mime-type issue. Try putting the following in a
.htaccess file in the same directory:

AddType text/plain .sh

You need Override FileInfo at least (see
 for
1.3)

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Re: What to do with attackers?

2005-11-04 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 09:30:30AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Sorry, I don't agree.  Rejecting the attackers packets just confirms
> that you are indeed there.

Unless you are rejecting all traffic on all ports (so that rules out any
server then) they'll know you are there anyway.

> 2 of those got past iptabes because they came from a verizon dns
> server I was using but had been kitted.  I send vz a nastygram, and
> they re-image the box till the next time.

I remember you writing this in a previous message. Quite an interesting
entry-vector!

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Re: What to do with attackers?

2005-11-04 Thread John Hasler
Gene Heskett writes:
> Rejecting the attackers packets just confirms that you are indeed there.

They already know you are there.  If you weren't the upstream router would
have told them so.
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Re: one user space progamming problem

2005-11-04 Thread Mariusz Kruk

weiyun lv napisał(a):
If you want to simply check stdin, use select or poll. If U want to 
use other libraries to handle terminal (ncurses? slang?), U'll have to 
check it's docs to find apropriate functions.

  if( feof(stdin)){
   kbd();
   }
  read(...);

this way doesn't work, kbd() is never called. How can I poll to see if 
there is input or not while I can do something else, like read() ?


kbd() would be called after eof of stdin, which would happen if someone 
pressed ^D if the program was run in terminal.
If you want to wait for data, you need to use select or poll, as I had 
written before. Look at the examples in libc docs (info libc, chapter 13.8).



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