Re: Grub dilemma

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 03:15:49AM +0200, Michael Wagner wrote:
> * Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 18.10.2008
>  
> > This is for grub package /boot/grub/menu.lst.  If you are installing
> > grub-pc, you have /boot/grub/grub.cfg
> > 
> > menuentry "Debian GNU/Linux" {
> > set root=(hd0,1)
> > linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro
> > initrd /initrd.img
> > }
> 
> Hello Osamu,
> 
> these are the first lines in my /boot/grub/grub.cfg on Debian
> 
> # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE
> #
> # It is automatically generated by /usr/sbin/update-grub using templates
> # from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub
> 
> So I think it's not the right way to edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg. Better
> edit the templates in /etc/grub.d and then run "update-grub".

Yes I know that too.

"*edit*/boot/grub/grub.cfg" is not the right thing.
"*inspect* /boot/grub/grub.cfg" is good  thing.

If other partition has an old broken grub configuration due to broken grub
installation caused by rc2 d-i, update-grub does not work as expected.
So as a last resort measure, we can edit it (but do not blame others if
your modificatio is overwritten by runing "update-grub".)

Osamu


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Re: dpkg-diversion confusion

[Sven Joachim]

On 2008-10-19 04:28 +0200, Todd A. Jacobs wrote:

> I have a custom VNC jar file in /usr/share/java/vncviewer-4.1-local.jar,
> and I want it to be used instead of the jar file installed by vnc-java
> in /usr/share/java/vncviewer-3.3.3r2.jar, but I can't seem to get the
> syntax right:
>
> $ sudo dpkg-divert --add --rename --divert \
>   /usr/share/java/vncviewer-4.1-local.jar \
>   /usr/share/java/vncviewer-3.3.3r2.jar
>
> pkg-divert: rename involves overwriting
> `/usr/share/java/vncviewer-4.1-local.jar' with
>   different file `/usr/share/java/vncviewer-3.3.3r2.jar', not
>   allowed
>
> How is this *supposed* to be done? The man pages aren't really very
> clear to me.

You have to supply a _new_ file name as the first argument, since this
is what the diverted file will be renamed to, e.g.

$ sudo dpkg-divert --add --rename --divert --local \
   /usr/share/java/vncviewer-3.3.2.jar.distrib \
   /usr/share/java/vncviewer-3.3.3r2.jar

Then you can copy/symlink/rename your
/usr/share/java/vncviewer-4.1-local.jar to vncviewer-3.3.3r2.jar.

Sven


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Debian on MacBook

[Koh Choon Lin]

Hi!

Anyone has any luck with gNS on MacBook, single boot? Some time ago,
there exists a problem with this configuration -- waiting a minute
during booting while it searches for the boot record, and I wonder if
this was solved now so I can procure one during Christmas.



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Fluxbox Very Slow Window Movement and Lag

[j]

I posted this on the Fluxbox mailing lists and have had no response
unfortunately.

I am hoping that Debian Users may be able to provide some insight or
resolution to this problem.

With Opaque Window moving enabled when I move a Window around the screen it
lags behind the mouse pointer considerably.  So much so that I can count a
number of seconds depending on how long I wiggle the mouse around the
screen before the window catches up.  Typing in window (terminals etc) is
fine and loading windows is quick its mainly moving and resizing although
resizing is less noticeable as it doesn't draw the window as it resizes

I orginally thought it was something to do with X and my ATI Radeon card
and had been troubleshooting it from that perspective until I installed
openbox and e16 as a test and found that they run perfect and are nice and
fast.

I am running a minimal Debian Lenny AMD64 netinst.
Graphics card is an ATI Radeon 4850 with the latest Drivers from ATI 8.10

I notice that if I use the "Vesa" driver it improves but the slow/lagging
window problem is still there just not as prominent.

Perhaps i'm missing some required dependancies for fluxbox???

Hopefully someone knows whats going on or maybe Ih have found a bug?


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Why the BLEEP was my sound removed?

[Rico Secada]

Hi, 

I just upgraded from Etch to Lenny on my laptop.

Normally I get sound working using the snd-maestro3 module, but I can
see that support has been removed.

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464191

This is something that is affecting a lot of users.

Yes, I can use 2.6.18 instead of 2.6.26, and yes I can download and
installed firmware manually, but hell then I might as well run
something different if I have to mess around like that to get sound
working.

Can someone please explain why the BLEEP support was removed?

Rico.


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Re: Why the BLEEP was my sound removed?

[CaT]

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 12:12:08PM +0200, Rico Secada wrote:
> Can someone please explain why the BLEEP support was removed?

It was probably removed because the BLEEP is mostlikely non-BLEEP and
as such would violate the BLEEP. But that's just a BLEEP.

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no servlet class on sun-java6 ?

[abdelkader belahcene]

Hi,
I took a program ( using servlet ) from a book, so I suppose it runs
correctly, I tried it on my PC using sun-java6.  Does it have another name?
Other programs, with (swing, applet ...), run correcly.
I searched servlet class in javax, I didn't find it
the error is at the import javax.servlet.*; import javax.servlet.http.*;

here is the example

import java.io.*;
import javax.servlet.*;
import javax.servlet.http.*;
public class CalculPerimeter extends HttpServlet {
public void doGet( HttpServletRequest req, HttpServletResponse rep)
throws IOException, ServletException {
 rep.setContentType("text/html");
 PrintWriter pw = rep.getWriter();
 pw.println("");
 pw.println("");
 pw.println(" Just a servlet ");
 pw.println("");
 pw.println("");
 if (req.getParameter("ray") == null) {
pw.print(" ");
pw.println(" need to know the value of the ray!");
 }
 else {
int tmp=Integer.parseInt(req.getParameter("ray"));
Circle C = new Circle(0, 0, tmp);
double p = C.perimeter();
pw.println("The ray is "+tmp+"perimeter "+ p);
 }
 pw.println("");
 pw.println("");
}
}

The Circle class is of couse defined.

Re: security question

[Bogdan]

Emanoil Kotsev wrote:

Bogdan wrote:

  

Paul Johnson wrote:


Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
  
  

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 07:51:38PM +0300, Bogdan wrote:
  



Although I don't like it, the bank i work with only offers Internet
Banking that works only under Internet Explorer. So, unfortunately, if
I want to check out my account I see myself obliged to boot Windows :(.
I
know that IE can be installed through wine but no one  seems to
guaranty safety... Would IE installed on my Debian be less safe than
the one running in it's native environment? If yes, why would that be
so?

  
  

I wouldn't trust IE to do banking in any event.

Actually, I don't trust any internet banking.  I go to the bank, the
bank's machine, or I phone them.



I don't even trust ATMs if they run Windows.  Which pretty much
eliminates the possibility of me ever banking with Bank of America or
Wells Fargo.

  
  

Hey guys,

Thanks for your answers!
Although i really like my bank, I considered switching because of this
reason, but as far as I can tell, there is only one bank in Romania that
offers Internet Banking with Firefox :(, and I don't like it.
I'm thinking on mailing my bank on the issue... but I guess it won't
make any difference.
Oh well... a lot of people still think Linux is some fruit and Firefox
some weird animal :).

Best regards,




You can go with this issue to the EU commission and complain. I think the
right way is first to complain or search for help at the bank and make it
clear that you do not have alternatives then search for help from your
local consumer protection and rights organisation, however it might be
called in english or romanian and if they don't respond then write to the
commission that you are being blackmailed to use windows.

Unbelievable the story - and we are in the 21. century

thumbs up

regards


  


Hey,

Andrei, I didn't know that Unicredit Tiriac works with Firefox, I was 
meaning ING :D.


Emanoil, my bank is a Romanian one, Transilvania Bank, so I'm guessing 
you might not have heard of it :). But this Internet Explorer issue is 
not a singular case, I can name a lot of other banks that only support IE.
This is stupid! Any decent web developer would make his app work at 
least with IE,  Firefox and Safari ( my opinion )! I really don't 
understand why these, let's face it, hugely funded  internet banking 
applications restrict you to the weakest browser in the market. The guys 
developing them are paid big time and still they assume everybody uses 
the same crap and also they manage to fool the banks into believing 
them! Sad... :)


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Re: creating and logging a daily cron job

[michael]

On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 19:45 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Fri,17.Oct.08, 18:10:26, Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>  
> > > this doesn't seem to be true the job runs and produces output and
> > > root mail is (via /etc/aliases - thanks to Doug!) sent to me but yet I
> > > don't get any o/p from /etc/cron.daily jobs whereas I do from all my
> > > crontab jobs...
> > 
> > I think the *.sh extention is what's wrong, try removing it. just name the
> > script backup. That's what I did and it suddenly worked and is working
> > since 4 years ago.
>  
> Actually the dot:
> 
> ,[ run-parts(8) ]
> | If neither the --lsbsysinit option nor the --regex option is given then 
> | the names must consist entirely of upper and lower case
> | letters, digits, underscores, and hyphens.
> `

Okay, my shorthand description of my problem was perhaps too shorthand!
The script isn't actually backup.sh but rather a link and as far as I
can tell is okay:


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/cron.daily$ ls -lt|head
total 92
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   46 Oct  9 13:30 backup-rsync-hdb1_users-VERI
-> /home/michael/bin/backup-rsync-hdb1_users-VERI*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  314 Mar 14  2007 aptitude*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  577 Mar  8  2007 chkrootkit*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1154 Mar  4  2007 ntp*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5041 Feb 26  2007 apt*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  469 Feb 26  2007 sysstat*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1450 Jan 21  2007 webalizer*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3961 Jan 20  2007 exim4-base*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3283 Dec 20  2006 standard*


thanks, Michael


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Re: Why the BLEEP was my sound removed?

[Rico Secada]

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:18:31 +1100
CaT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 12:12:08PM +0200, Rico Secada wrote:
> > Can someone please explain why the BLEEP support was removed?
> 
> It was probably removed because the BLEEP is mostlikely non-BLEEP and
> as such would violate the BLEEP. But that's just a BLEEP.

That was what I thought, a pain in the BLEEP. :-)

> -- 
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>   and on closer inspection a roll of cash was found protruding
>   from Linn's anus, the full amount of cash taken in the robbery."
> -
> http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/robber-hides-loot-up-his-booty/2008/05/09/1210131248617.html
> 


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Re: libz.so.1 conflict/compatibility issue

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 17:50:36 -0700, Ken Teague wrote:
> Florian Kulzer wrote:
>> That does not tell you which library is used in the end. I would run
>>
>> ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/epiphany-browser | grep libz
>>   
> host:~# ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/epiphany-browser |grep libz
> libz.so.1 => /usr/local/bin/acusim/LINUX64/V1.7e/base/lib/libz.so.1  
> (0x7fd39ad83000)

Something that I missed previously: Didn't you say this is a Lenny
system? Programs in /usr/X11R6/bin/ should not exist anymore from Etch
onwards. Please explain in more detail how you have set this up, does
the program run in a Sarge chroot? (So far I had assumed we were talking
about a "clean" Lenny system.)

> host:~# ldconfig -pNX |grep libz
> libz.so.1 (libc6.x86-64) => /usr/lib/libz.so.1
> libz.so.1 (libc6) => /usr/lib32/libz.so.1
> /libz.so (libc6,x86-64) => /usr/lib/libz.so
>
> It appears that it's calling upon the older libz.so.1 and causing  
> imcompatibilities. 

The ldconfig output looks normal to me; all programs should find the
system version of libz.so.1. On Lenny this should be a symlink to
/usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3.3, provided by package zlib1g version
1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-12.

Are there any environmental variables that influence the linker? Post
the output of

env | grep LD_

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Re: Grub dilemma

[Daniel Burrows]

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 06:21:52PM +0200, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was 
heard to say:
> 2008/10/18 Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >  I am not installing Ubuntu - it's already installed on hda3. I say
> > again I want to install another Linux on hda3 which uses Lilo...not
> > Grub. I'm asking whether Lilo will screw up Grub. I don't know whether
> > the install will give me the option to skip installing Lilo. If it does
> > there is no problem...but if it doesn't will there be a problem.
> >
> 
> If the distro writes LILO to the MBR, then yes that will destroy grub.
> Do you feel confident that you can restore grub from the boot disk in
> the event that it is needed? It is a trivial task but only for those
> who have done it before. In any case, be sure to back it up.

  Also, it sounds like grub looks for its menu.lst on hda3.  If that's
the case, you'll want to change it before you wipe hda3 to install a
new distribution.

  Daniel


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ACPI power management broken since 2.6.23-1

[Anton Piatek]

Hi,
Kernel 2.6.23-1 is the last kernel I seem to be able to run and have
my laptop go to sleep.

I am trying to figure out what i need to do to make the newer kernels
sleep, but am a bit stuck.

Can anyone give me some pointers to try and figure out what I might be
missing to make it work? I admit I don't entirely understand how ACPI
works...

Anton

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Re: ACPI power management broken since 2.6.23-1

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008, Anton Piatek wrote:
> Kernel 2.6.23-1 is the last kernel I seem to be able to run and have
> my laptop go to sleep.
> 
> I am trying to figure out what i need to do to make the newer kernels
> sleep, but am a bit stuck.
> 
> Can anyone give me some pointers to try and figure out what I might be
> missing to make it work? I admit I don't entirely understand how ACPI
> works...

It helps wonders if you tell us what laptop you have (and a major hint:
upgrade your laptop BIOS and firmware if an update is available from the
vendor).

Also, what is wrong with the sleep?  Is it the sleep?  Is it the resume?
What happens that is wrong?  If the screen is black, is the machine still
alright but just with the backlight turned off?  What is in the kernel log
when the sleep/resume breaks?  etc.

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Re: ACPI power management broken since 2.6.23-1

[Anton Piatek]

2008/10/19 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008, Anton Piatek wrote:
>> Kernel 2.6.23-1 is the last kernel I seem to be able to run and have
>> my laptop go to sleep.
>>
>> I am trying to figure out what i need to do to make the newer kernels
>> sleep, but am a bit stuck.
>>
>> Can anyone give me some pointers to try and figure out what I might be
>> missing to make it work? I admit I don't entirely understand how ACPI
>> works...
>
> It helps wonders if you tell us what laptop you have (and a major hint:
> upgrade your laptop BIOS and firmware if an update is available from the
> vendor).
>
> Also, what is wrong with the sleep?  Is it the sleep?  Is it the resume?
> What happens that is wrong?  If the screen is black, is the machine still
> alright but just with the backlight turned off?  What is in the kernel log
> when the sleep/resume breaks?  etc.

Youre right - the laptop details will help:
IBM T43p

I will look into bios updates too though they are going to be tricky
as it seems i need a non-usb floppy or windows xp (neither of which I
have)

The laptop doesn't go to sleep - I use the kde powermanagement tool to
set the sleep when the lid is closed, but in the newer kernels it just
doesnt work - all the sleep options are greyed out and I can't figure
out why.
I have looked through various logs but have been unable to find pretty
much anything acpi/sleep related at all.

Maybe the problem is not the kernel... i suppose it could be that kde
doesnt like something in the newer kernels.

Anton
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Samba domain not found

[Clifford W. Hansen]

I am trying to setup a Samba domain inside an Active Directory network.

This is a separate domain and will be replacing the AD, the problem is that 
one of the machines connected to the AD cannot find the domain when told to 
use it.

We can see this domain when we goto Network Places (Windows XP) but are unable 
to access it.

We are really at a loss here, as I previously setup a test domain and it 
worked (this was a couple of months ago), this machine was then completly 
reinstalled and this new domain isn't working.

I initially set up the domain in a VM (this was at home) and this worked.

Has anyone had this issue before and solved it, I can't seem to convince Uncle 
Google to give me an answer. (I might be asking the wrong question)
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Re: Grub dilemma

[Frank]

Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 06:21:52PM +0200, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was 
> heard to say:
>> 2008/10/18 Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>  I am not installing Ubuntu - it's already installed on hda3. I say
>>> again I want to install another Linux on hda3 which uses Lilo...not
>>> Grub. I'm asking whether Lilo will screw up Grub. I don't know whether
>>> the install will give me the option to skip installing Lilo. If it does
>>> there is no problem...but if it doesn't will there be a problem.
>>>
>> If the distro writes LILO to the MBR, then yes that will destroy grub.
>> Do you feel confident that you can restore grub from the boot disk in
>> the event that it is needed? It is a trivial task but only for those
>> who have done it before. In any case, be sure to back it up.
> 
>   Also, it sounds like grub looks for its menu.lst on hda3.  If that's
> the case, you'll want to change it before you wipe hda3 to install a
> new distribution.
> 
>   Daniel
> 
> 
   OK would this require a Grub reinstall ??? I've been using Debian for
years but this Grub stuff is above me !

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Compiling alsa-driver-1.0.17 for Debian etch

[Samuel Bächler]

Dear All

*This email just sums up what I did to compile the alsa-driver-1.0.17 
with the hope that it might
be useful to someone else.* (1) to (6) is information provided by Nigel  
Henry  (see 'Alsa not
working properly' on debian-user@lists.debian.org).  I am using etch 
(see system information).


Following Nigel I:
(1) Downloaded alsa driver 1.0.17 to /path/to/alsa_driver.
(2) Installed build-essential, kernel-package and linux-headers-2.6.18-6.
(3) Changed to /path/to/alsa_driver and unpacked tar-file using 'tar 
xjvf  alsa-driver-1.0.17.tar.bz2'.

(4) Changed to alsa-driver-1.0.17 (directory with unpacked files).
(5) Typed './configure'.
(6) Typed 'make'.

After (6) I got the following error-messages:

/path/to/Alsa_drivers/alsa-driver-1.0.17/acore/rtctimer.c:4: error: 
redefinition of 'is_power_of_2'
/path/to/Alsa_drivers/alsa-driver-1.0.17/include/adriver.h:1424: error: 
previous definition of 'is_power_of_2' was here
make[3]: *** [/path/to/Alsa_drivers/alsa-driver-1.0.17/acore/rtctimer.o] 
Fehler 1

make[2]: *** [/path/to/Alsa_drivers/alsa-driver-1.0.17/acore] Fehler 2
make[1]: *** [_module_/path/to/Alsa_drivers/alsa-driver-1.0.17] Fehler 2
make: *** [compile] Fehler 2

By commenting out (/* static inline ... */)
static inline int is_power_of_2(unsigned long n)
{
   return (n != 0 && ((n & (n - 1)) == 0));
}
in '/path/to/Alsa_drivers/alsa-driver-1.0.17/acore/rtctimer.c' I typed 
'make' again and everything worked fine.


(7) Typed 'make install' to complete the job.
(8) Rebooted the laptop.
(9) Saw the right version nr in '/proc/asound/version'
(10) Alsa control seemed to work better so far.

s.

System information
 *uname -a* tells me that I am using *Linux foosys 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP 
Thu Oct 9 15:52:18 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux*.



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Re: ALSA not working properly

[Samuel Bächler]

[snip at lot], :-)]


 Moving on to option 2, simply upgrade the alsa driver. Many patches
 have been added to the alsa driver since 1.0.12rc1, particularly with
 reference to the snd-hda-intel module, so go to the link below, and
 download alsa driver 1.0.17, which is the current stable version.

 http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page

 I'd suggest creating a new folder in your /home/user directory for
 this Alsa stuff. I simply name mine Alsa-drivers, and download all
 the Alsa packages into this folder/directory.

 You now need to install some packages, so as to get your newly
 downloaded alsa driver built, and installed.

 Su to root on the CLI, and open synaptic, and install the following
 packages. build-essential kernel-package linux-headers-2.6.18-6

 That done, close synaptic,and run apt-get install
 linux-headers-$(uname -r)

 This will install the headers for your kernel.

 Now to build, and install the 1.0.17 alsa driver.

 As user, cd to where you downloaded the driver, then do: tar xjvf
 alsa-driver-1.0.17.tar.bz2

 A new folder/directory has now been created, so do:

 cd alsa-driver-1.0.17

 Now type: ./configure, and when that runs to completion, type: make,
 which may take some time. When make completes, with hopefully no
 errors, su to root, and type make install. If all has gone well, and
 after a reboot, (using the Etch kernel, not the musix one, if you've
 also installed that) running cat /proc/asound/version should now show
 the alsa driver as 1.0.17.

 Now you may, or may not have better control of sounds on your T60.

That seems to work on my laptop. See threat *Compiling alsa-driver-1.0.17
for Debian etch* on this list for details.

Big *thank you* goes to Nigel.

Cheers

Sam


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Re: no servlet class on sun-java6 ?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 11:13:39AM +0100, abdelkader belahcene wrote:
> Hi,
> I took a program ( using servlet ) from a book, so I suppose it runs
> correctly, I tried it on my PC using sun-java6.  Does it have another name?
> Other programs, with (swing, applet ...), run correcly.
> I searched servlet class in javax, I didn't find it
> the error is at the import javax.servlet.*; import javax.servlet.http.*;

http://forums.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=785611

windows oriented but should get you pointed the right way.

A


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Re: Grub dilemma

[Daniel Burrows]

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 01:28:11PM -0400, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard 
to say:
> Daniel Burrows wrote:
> >   Also, it sounds like grub looks for its menu.lst on hda3.  If that's
> > the case, you'll want to change it before you wipe hda3 to install a
> > new distribution.
> > 
> >   Daniel
> > 
> > 
>OK would this require a Grub reinstall ??? I've been using Debian for
> years but this Grub stuff is above me !

  I think that grub-install(8) will do what you want.  e.g., run
"grub-install /dev/hdXX".

  You probably want to have an alternate way of booting before you do
this, of course...

  Daniel


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Re: Non-Debian Provided Packages

[Paul Cartwright]

Miles Fidelman wrote:

>>   
> While I love apt for most things, I've installed lots of non-debian
> packages, using the basic configure; make; make install approach.  For
> many packages, that's the only way to get the latest version.  I've yet
> to get Sympa to work from its .deb, for example.
> 

when I have to do the make/isntall approach, I installed checkinstall.
That way, after the make, you run checkinstall, which installs it so apt
knows about it.. and makes it removeable by apt..

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Re: ACPI power management broken since 2.6.23-1

[Mark Allums]

Anton Piatek wrote:

2008/10/19 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008, Anton Piatek wrote:

Kernel 2.6.23-1 is the last kernel I seem to be able to run and have
my laptop go to sleep.

I am trying to figure out what i need to do to make the newer kernels
sleep, but am a bit stuck.

Can anyone give me some pointers to try and figure out what I might be
missing to make it work? I admit I don't entirely understand how ACPI
works...

It helps wonders if you tell us what laptop you have (and a major hint:
upgrade your laptop BIOS and firmware if an update is available from the
vendor).

Also, what is wrong with the sleep?  Is it the sleep?  Is it the resume?
What happens that is wrong?  If the screen is black, is the machine still
alright but just with the backlight turned off?  What is in the kernel log
when the sleep/resume breaks?  etc.


Youre right - the laptop details will help:
IBM T43p

I will look into bios updates too though they are going to be tricky
as it seems i need a non-usb floppy or windows xp (neither of which I
have)

The laptop doesn't go to sleep - I use the kde powermanagement tool to
set the sleep when the lid is closed, but in the newer kernels it just
doesnt work - all the sleep options are greyed out and I can't figure
out why.
I have looked through various logs but have been unable to find pretty
much anything acpi/sleep related at all.

Maybe the problem is not the kernel... i suppose it could be that kde
doesnt like something in the newer kernels.

Anton



There have been many updates to the various ACPI tools and support 
programs and daemons.  Most of them are in sid.  You may need to update 
these things as well as the kernel.  ACPI is still evolving in Linux. 
Expect it to be broken from time to time.


Mark Allums


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Re: Problems in Debian Lenny XFCE I386 Weekly 20080922

[Samuel Bächler]

Hi Masatran

Masatran / Deepak, R. wrote:

I recently installed Debian Lenny XFCE I386 Weekly 20080922 alongside Debian
Etch. I use Sawfish with XFCE panel, Thunar, etc. I have these problems:

  

Do not put all your questions in one email. Moreover your mail looks
like you did not try hard enough by yourself. Tough I must confess
that I do by far not consider myself to be a first class hacker I did
not understand much of your questions.

1. Some XFCE icons are missing, including "Show Desktop". Thunar shows the
   same icon (sheet of paper) for everything.

2. MPD won't play. Sonata says "No Read Permission". I copied the config
   from Etch but it doesn't work. NMap shows nothing running on port 6600.

3. CHBG is missing . The
   Etch version has dependency problems. The experimental version is missing
   the I386 version. I tried QIV but the wallpaper doesn't show up through
   translucent XFCE terminal.

4. Firefox takes me to a web page that says that it is an alpha build. But I
   thought that Lenny is frozen? Am I misunderstanding something?

5. LUKS couldn't decrypt my home partition; I thought I had lost all my data
   :-( Etch was able to read it fine. However, when I rebooted into Lenny,
   the partition worked fine.


sam


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Re: Non-Debian Provided Packages

[Paul Johnson]

Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
>> Jason C. Wells wrote:
>>  
>>> Is it advisable to install non-Debian provided packages?
>>> For example .deb files are out for openoffice3 but they haven't made
>>> their way to lenny yet.  It seems like the Sun provided .deb files
>>> aren't quite so slick with handling dependencies.  That or I am
>>> missing some important bit of understanding on how .debs work.
>>> 
>> Generally, not advisable.  OOo3 is in experimental right now if you're
>> looking for the Debian package for that.
>>   
> While I love apt for most things, I've installed lots of non-debian
> packages, using the basic configure; make; make install approach.  For
> many packages, that's the only way to get the latest version.  I've
> yet to get Sympa to work from its .deb, for example.
That's odd...I previously used Sympa for years without problems out of
the Debian package.  Debconf does pretty much everything for you.



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Re: security question

[Paul Johnson]

Carl Fink wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 07:51:38PM +0300, Bogdan wrote:
>   
>> Although I don't like it, the bank i work with only offers Internet  
>> Banking that works only under Internet Explorer. So, unfortunately, if I  
>> want to check out my account I see myself obliged to boot Windows :(. I  
>> know that IE can be installed through wine but no one  seems to guaranty  
>> safety... Would IE installed on my Debian be less safe than the one  
>> running in it's native environment? If yes, why would that be so?
>> 
>
> One other possibility: install virtualbox-ose, and run an occasional Windows
> session inside Debian when you need to bank.  That's what I do with some
> specific software I need for my job.
>
> Alternatives include Xen and VMWare Player.
>   
I'm not sure I'd consider VMPlayer particularly viable.  It's non-free,
and has serious stability issues that would have caused massive data
loss if I didn't have a nightly backup.




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file mailing utility?

[Miles Fidelman]

Hi Folks,

I'm not really sure where to ask this question, but I expect that 
someone on this list will have ideas.


I find myself, more and more, having to send large files to people by 
email - which, of course runs into lots of problems both on the outgoing 
and receiving ends.


I've started to use some of the on-line services that will upload a file 
to temporary storage, then forward a link, by email, to recipients - who 
can then click the link and download the files (e.g., filemail.com, 
pando.com).


But, since I happen to run several servers (Debian LAMP environment, 
Postfix for email), I've started to look for a utility I can install 
that will provide this same functionality.


Anybody out there running such a beast?  Suggestions?

Thanks Much,

Miles Fidelman

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Re: How can I clean the cache of debtorrent?

[Samuel Bächler]

Hi Simon

I just saw that there is a debtorrent-specific mailing-list. I never
used debtorrent before

Simon Pepping @ Home wrote:

How can I clean the cache of debtorrent? I did this by find, also cleaning
empty directories, but that was too aggressive, and brought debtorrent in a
non-startable state:

2008-10-18 09:37:35,499 MainThread DebTorrent.launchmanycore ERROR SYSTEM
ERROR - EXCEPTION GENERATED
Traceback (most recent call last):
...
  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/DebTorrent/download_bt1.py", line
952, in loadState
d = self.pickled_data['resume data']['priority']
KeyError: 'resume data'

Or maybe it was due to the fact that I forgot to stop debtorrent client when
I did the cleanup. I solved the problem by purging and reinstalling
debtorrent. Maybe it would have sufficed to bring the cache back to a clean
state: /var/cache/debtorrent/.DebTorrent/{data,piece,torrent}cache?

Which parts of the cache must be kept? Can you suggestions for a good script
for this, that can run in a cron job?

Regards, Simon Pepping
  



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iptables problems

[Jerry Stuckle]

Hi, all,

I'm trying to get iptables to work on a new debian vps.  This worked 
before my hosting company changed to virtuozzo for their vm.


On the new system I'm getting the following error:

iptables: No chain/target/match by that name


This is a response to any iptables statement using the ipt_recent 
module, i.e.


iptables -A FTP -p tcp --syn -m recent --name badFTP --rcheck --seconds 
3600 -j REJECT


I tried

modprobe ipt_recent

But get the error:

FATAL: Module ipt_recent not found.

Of course, this all worked in the previous version.


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Re: Grub dilemma

[Sjoerd Hiemstra]

Op Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:28:11 -0400 Frank wrote:
> I've been using Debian for years but this Grub stuff is above me !

There's an article about Grub at newbie level that might interest you.
www.tuxmagazine.com , click 'Download' at the right side, download issue
#8 and read pages 31 through 38: 'Give multiple distros the boot'.


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Re: iptables problems

[Jeff D]

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> Hi, all,
>
> I'm trying to get iptables to work on a new debian vps.  This worked before my
> hosting company changed to virtuozzo for their vm.
>
> On the new system I'm getting the following error:
>
> iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
>
>
> This is a response to any iptables statement using the ipt_recent module, i.e.
>
> iptables -A FTP -p tcp --syn -m recent --name badFTP --rcheck --seconds 3600
> -j REJECT
>
> I tried
>
> modprobe ipt_recent
>
> But get the error:
>
> FATAL: Module ipt_recent not found.
>
> Of course, this all worked in the previous version.
>
>
>

perhaps they forgot to copy over the modules?  Do you see any modules in:
/lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/

If not, I'd contact your provider to see about getting those installed.

Jeff


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Re: security question

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun,19.Oct.08, 14:02:11, Bogdan wrote:

> Andrei, I didn't know that Unicredit Tiriac works with Firefox, I was 
> meaning ING :D.

There might be others as well. You could search the archives of rlug 
(offtopic), as this subject comes up regularly.

Regards,
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Re: Debian on MacBook

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun,19.Oct.08, 16:41:10, Koh Choon Lin wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Anyone has any luck with gNS on MacBook, single boot? Some time ago,
> there exists a problem with this configuration -- waiting a minute
> during booting while it searches for the boot record, and I wonder if
> this was solved now so I can procure one during Christmas.
 
Please don't get me wrong, but this is a mailing list for *Debian* 
users. Though there is a (small) chance somebody is running gNS 
(gNewSense?) you would probably get more and better answers in their 
mailing lists/forums.

Regards,
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Re: file mailing utility?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun,19.Oct.08, 15:10:31, Miles Fidelman wrote:

> I've started to use some of the on-line services that will upload a file to 
> temporary storage, then forward a link, by email, to recipients - who can 
> then click the link and download the files (e.g., filemail.com, pando.com).
>
> But, since I happen to run several servers (Debian LAMP environment, 
> Postfix for email), I've started to look for a utility I can install that 
> will provide this same functionality.
>
> Anybody out there running such a beast?  Suggestions?

How about an ftp server (or am I missing something in your 
requirements)?

Regards,
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Re: file mailing utility?

[Miles Fidelman]

Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Sun,19.Oct.08, 15:10:31, Miles Fidelman wrote:
  
I've started to use some of the on-line services that will upload a file to 
temporary storage, then forward a link, by email, to recipients - who can 
then click the link and download the files (e.g., filemail.com, pando.com).


But, since I happen to run several servers (Debian LAMP environment, 
Postfix for email), I've started to look for a utility I can install that 
will provide this same functionality.


Anybody out there running such a beast?  Suggestions?



How about an ftp server (or am I missing something in your 
requirements)?


  
with a basic file server, I either need to make every file publicly 
available, or do something to make a file accessible only to a specific 
recipient, be it setting up a separate account, using a secret filename, 
or encrypting the file


there are a number of services (e.g. filemail.com) that do all of this 
in an integrated fashion

1) fill in the blanks: email address, filename
2) automatically uploads file
3) automatically encrypts, stores, assigns URL (ftp or http)
4) sends an email to the specified recipient(s) - who can then download 
the file - email may include a password (or it can be in the URL)


In essence, the idea is to make sending a large file by email, almost as 
easy as sending a small one - without running afoul of size limits at 
either the sending or receiving end.


I'm looking for a package that will do all of this, that I can install 
locally.


Miles


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Re: file mailing utility?

[Test]

you might try ftpmail as some solution ...

You can request files by email which on the server are handled through
ftp... and sent by email...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTPmail

http://www.csdl.tamu.edu/~cchung/cpsc689/ftpmail/ftpmtoc.html


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Re: USB ownership

[Hans Ekbrand]

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 04:57:00PM +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> Paul Cartwright:
> >
> > My wife plugged in a USB stick, to save a file to it. It would not let
> > her save a file, permission denied. 
> ...
> > I am logged in first, vt7, she is logged in 2nd, vt8, and when I
> > switched to my login, there was the disk window open ( /media/disk).
> 
> I don't know what Debian's current default solution for auto-mounting
> is, but the problem is that this program simply cannot tell who of you
> is using the USB drive.

I don't the last part of this sentence is accurate. Only one VT is
current when the USB-stick is inserted, the automounter should use the
policy: The user who own the VT which is active when the USB-stick is
inserted gets write permission on it.

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Re: USB ownership

[Hans Ekbrand]

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 06:07:27PM +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I don't know what Debian's current default solution for auto-mounting
> > is, but the problem is that this program simply cannot tell who of you
> > is using the USB drive.
> 
> pmount, i use it through gkrellm:

1. When you claim pmount is the default solution for auto-mounting, what
do you mean by that?

2. AFAIK, pmount does not in it self take into account which user is
owning the active VT when the USB-stick is inserted. Does gkrellm
provide that functionality?

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Re: Why the BLEEP was my sound removed?

[Ron Johnson]

On 10/19/08 05:12, Rico Secada wrote:
Hi, 


I just upgraded from Etch to Lenny on my laptop.

Normally I get sound working using the snd-maestro3 module, but I can
see that support has been removed.

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464191

This is something that is affecting a lot of users.

Yes, I can use 2.6.18 instead of 2.6.26, and yes I can download and
installed firmware manually, but hell then I might as well run
something different if I have to mess around like that to get sound
working.


This response to the bug that you referenced explains exactly how to 
get sound to work again.


http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=48;bug=464191


Can someone please explain why the BLEEP support was removed?


Probably because it violates the DFSG (Debian Free Software Guidelines).


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Re: security question

[Ron Johnson]

On 10/19/08 06:02, Bogdan wrote:
[snip]
This is stupid! Any decent web developer would make his app work at 
least with IE,  Firefox and Safari ( my opinion )! I really don't 
understand why these, let's face it, hugely funded  internet banking 
applications restrict you to the weakest browser in the market. The guys 
developing them are paid big time and still they assume everybody uses 
the same crap and also they manage to fool the banks into believing 
them! Sad... :)


Generalize this to all of "IT".  Corporate developers who have drunk 
the Microsoft Kool-Aid know or care nothing about anything beyond 
Microsoft.


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Re: Changelog broken on Lenny?

[Chris Burkhardt]

Stackpole, Chris wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I noticed that I had some updates on my Lenny box so double clicked the
> package manager icon in the gnome task bar. As I browsed through the
> packages I noticed that there were no change logs showing up. So I
> visited the site: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main
> 
>  
> 
> Sure enough, all of the folders are empty. I have not seen or heard
> anything about the changelog being down and I didn’t find anything with
> a quick google search, so I thought I would ask the list. Anyone know
> what’s going on? Is this planned? Any idea when it will be up again?

They all seem to be back in place now.

- Chris Burkhardt


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whole disk encryption -- not prompting for passphrase

[Hatta]

A short while ago I set up a system with whole disk encryption.  I used 
the guided LUKS

partitioning sytem to make 3 encrypted lvm volumes, root, home, and swap_1.

Anyway, I broke that installation, so I needed to reinstall.  I used a 
netboot image in expert
mode, manually opened the encrypted volume, and installed a new system 
to root. It seemed
to go fine, but on rebooting it does not prompt me for my passphrase, 
and it cannot find the

root filesystem to mount, I eventually end up in busybox.

I can mount my encrypted volumes just fine from a live CD, so they're 
ok.  So there's something wrong
with the boot process, debian's just not finding it.   Here's the error 
message I get:


Begin: Mounting root file system ... Begin: Running /scripts/local-top 
... [5.769352] device-mapper: uevent: version 1.0.3
[   5.771151] device mapper: ioctl: 4.13.0-ioctl (2007-10-18) 
initialised: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Volume group "debian" not found
   Volume group "debian" not found
done.
Begin: Waiting for root file system ... done.

And then I just wait for BusyBox.  Anyone have any idea what's going on 
here?



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Re: Fluxbox Very Slow Window Movement and Lag

[Amit Uttamchandani]

> 
> I am running a minimal Debian Lenny AMD64 netinst.
> Graphics card is an ATI Radeon 4850 with the latest Drivers from ATI 8.10

Give the open source xf86-viedo-ati driver a try. It supports your
chip. It actually is easier to set up and debug. I had problems with
the proprietary ATI driver performing poorly on window redraws. All was
solved when using the open source ati driver.

Good luck.

Amit


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[OT] Learning MIPS ISA using GCC and Debian

[Amit Uttamchandani]

I am learning the MIPS ISA in class and I guess the best way to learn
this is using real world examples. Thus, I was hoping I could write a
program in C and compile it into MIPS assembly and learn the MIPS ISA
that way.

I am not too familiar with gcc but I have used it and I also know that
objdump tool can be used to disassemble C programs. However, I am not
sure how to cross-compile into MIPS.

I apologize if this question is too obvious.

Running Debian Testing.

Thanks for any help.

Amit


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Re: [OT] Learning MIPS ISA using GCC and Debian

[Jerry Stuckle]

I would say that is one of the worst ways to learn MIPS.  A good 
compiler will have numerous optimizations, and the resultant code may 
bear little resemblance to the original C.  Even if you disable all 
optimizations, programming style will differ between that generated by 
the C compiler and what you write directly in MIPS.


Better to learn the instruction set, registers, etc. without trying 
shortcuts.  You'll be much better off in the long run.


Amit Uttamchandani wrote:

I am learning the MIPS ISA in class and I guess the best way to learn
this is using real world examples. Thus, I was hoping I could write a
program in C and compile it into MIPS assembly and learn the MIPS ISA
that way.

I am not too familiar with gcc but I have used it and I also know that
objdump tool can be used to disassemble C programs. However, I am not
sure how to cross-compile into MIPS.

I apologize if this question is too obvious.

Running Debian Testing.

Thanks for any help.

Amit





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Re: [OT] Learning MIPS ISA using GCC and Debian

[Ron Johnson]

On 10/19/08 19:39, Amit Uttamchandani wrote:

I am learning the MIPS ISA in class and I guess the best way to learn
this is using real world examples. Thus, I was hoping I could write a
program in C and compile it into MIPS assembly and learn the MIPS ISA
that way.

I am not too familiar with gcc but I have used it and I also know that
objdump tool can be used to disassemble C programs. However, I am not
sure how to cross-compile into MIPS.

I apologize if this question is too obvious.

Running Debian Testing.

Thanks for any help.


This package might help:
Package: gxemul
Priority: extra
Section: misc
Installed-Size: 2664
Maintainer: Jonathan Wiltshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Architecture: i386
Version: 0.4.6.5-2
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libx11-6
Recommends: gxemul-doc
Filename: pool/main/g/gxemul/gxemul_0.4.6.5-2_i386.deb
Size: 730708
MD5sum: 0dd799d6dae0656ab390a909614a4385
SHA1: 3b051ced38060006df0b05f8e73ca4afa3d45ced
SHA256: efaf50cde6c82939bd4172ade39eaa447f163b49bf2cf327121f04f5c476fbaf
Description: machine emulator for multiple architectures
 GXemul aims at emulating complete machines with enough hardware
 emulated to run real unmodified operating systems. The emulation of
 these machine types is good enough to run a least one guest operating
 system:
 .
 ARM-based machines:
  * CATS (NetBSD/cats, OpenBSD/cats)
  * IQ80321 (NetBSD/evbarm)
  * NetWinder (NetBSD/netwinder)
 MIPS-based machines:
  * DECstation 5000/200 (NetBSD/pmax, OpenBSD/pmax, Ultrix,
Linux/DECstation, Sprite)
  * Acer Pica-61 (NetBSD/arc)
  * NEC MobilePro 770, 780, 800, 880 (NetBSD/hpcmips)
  * Malta (NetBSD/evbmips
  * Algorithmics P5064 (NetBSD/algor)
  * SGI O2 (aka IP32) (NetBSD/sgi) (enough for root-on-nfs)
 PowerPC-based machines:
  * IBM 6050/6070 (PReP, PowerPC Reference Platform) (NetBSD/prep)
 SuperH-based machines:
  * Sega Dreamcast (NetBSD/dreamcast) (enough for ramdisk userland)
 .
 Other machine types and architectures are emulated less completely.
 See the documentation in the gxemul-doc package for the exact details
 and guides to installing guest operating systems.
Homepage: http://gavare.se/gxemul/
Tag: hardware::emulation, role::program


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Re: [OT] Learning MIPS ISA using GCC and Debian

[Amit Uttamchandani]

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:55:03 -0400
Jerry Stuckle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would say that is one of the worst ways to learn MIPS.  A good 
> compiler will have numerous optimizations, and the resultant code may 
> bear little resemblance to the original C.  Even if you disable all 
> optimizations, programming style will differ between that generated by 
> the C compiler and what you write directly in MIPS.
> 
> Better to learn the instruction set, registers, etc. without trying 
> shortcuts.  You'll be much better off in the long run.
> 

Thanks for the advice. I guess you're right. I didn't consider that
aspect of it.

Amit


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Re: [OT] Learning MIPS ISA using GCC and Debian

[Amit Uttamchandani]

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:08:09 -0500
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 10/19/08 19:39, Amit Uttamchandani wrote:
> > I am learning the MIPS ISA in class and I guess the best way to learn
> > this is using real world examples. Thus, I was hoping I could write a
> > program in C and compile it into MIPS assembly and learn the MIPS ISA
> > that way.
> > 
> > I am not too familiar with gcc but I have used it and I also know that
> > objdump tool can be used to disassemble C programs. However, I am not
> > sure how to cross-compile into MIPS.
> > 
> > I apologize if this question is too obvious.
> > 
> > Running Debian Testing.
> > 
> > Thanks for any help.
> 
> This package might help:
> Package: gxemul
> Priority: extra
> Section: misc
> Installed-Size: 2664
> Maintainer: Jonathan Wiltshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Architecture: i386
> Version: 0.4.6.5-2
> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libx11-6
> Recommends: gxemul-doc
> Filename: pool/main/g/gxemul/gxemul_0.4.6.5-2_i386.deb

This is really really interesting. I will definitely give this a try.
Thank you!

Amit


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Re: Why the BLEEP was my sound removed?

[Rico Secada]

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:56:33 -0500
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 10/19/08 05:12, Rico Secada wrote:
> > Hi, 
> > 
> > I just upgraded from Etch to Lenny on my laptop.
> > 
> > Normally I get sound working using the snd-maestro3 module, but I
> > can see that support has been removed.
> > 
> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464191
> > 
> > This is something that is affecting a lot of users.
> > 
> > Yes, I can use 2.6.18 instead of 2.6.26, and yes I can download and
> > installed firmware manually, but hell then I might as well run
> > something different if I have to mess around like that to get sound
> > working.
> 
> This response to the bug that you referenced explains exactly how to 
> get sound to work again.
> 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=48;bug=464191

Like I wrote: "yes I can download and install firmware manually" 
 
> > Can someone please explain why the BLEEP support was removed?
> 
> Probably because it violates the DFSG (Debian Free Software
> Guidelines).

Someone already mentioned this, but thanks anyway.

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friend cannot see me on msn

[Andreas Berglund]

Hi!
I just added a friend of mine on msn. I can see her and I can send 
messages to her but when I'm online it looks to her like I'm offline and 
none of her messages reach me. She tried to send an invitation to me 
several times but none of them reached me. I have no idea where to even 
begin looking so any help would be very much appreciated.
The client I'm using is kopete 0.12.3, I don't know what client my 
friend uses but if you need to know I can ask her and I'd be happy to 
provide any other information that might be relevant.


regards
Andreas Berglund


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Re: friend cannot see me on msn

[Lachlan]

2008/10/20 Andreas Berglund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi!
> I just added a friend of mine on msn. I can see her and I can send messages
> to her but when I'm online it looks to her like I'm offline and none of her
> messages reach me. She tried to send an invitation to me several times but
> none of them reached me. I have no idea where to even begin looking so any
> help would be very much appreciated.
> The client I'm using is kopete 0.12.3, I don't know what client my friend
> uses but if you need to know I can ask her and I'd be happy to provide any
> other information that might be relevant.
>
> regards
> Andreas Berglund
>

I have no idea about kopete but the best msn client i've used on linux
is emesene.

www.emesene.org

you can do everything in emesene that you can do with the actual
microsoft client. be sure to look through the plugins and turn on what
you want.

had heaps of visibility issues with pidgin, amsn and a few others but
none so far with this one.

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Re: Why the BLEEP was my sound removed?

[Ron Johnson]

On 10/19/08 20:33, Rico Secada wrote:

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:56:33 -0500
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 10/19/08 05:12, Rico Secada wrote:
Hi, 


I just upgraded from Etch to Lenny on my laptop.

Normally I get sound working using the snd-maestro3 module, but I
can see that support has been removed.

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464191

This is something that is affecting a lot of users.

Yes, I can use 2.6.18 instead of 2.6.26, and yes I can download and
installed firmware manually, but hell then I might as well run
something different if I have to mess around like that to get sound
working.
This response to the bug that you referenced explains exactly how to 
get sound to work again.


http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=48;bug=464191


Like I wrote: "yes I can download and install firmware manually" 


So you did.  My apologies.

I disagree with you, though, about your reaction to having to 
manually d/l the binary firmware.  Using Linux means sometimes 
having to get your fingers a bit greasy.


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