Re: testing upgrade issues with OpneOffice

[Rene Engelhard]

Hi.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 07:54:41PM -0500, JW Foster wrote:
> I,m getting this error message for several days now.
> 
> E: Couldn't configure pre-depend openoffice.org-java-common for
> openoffice.org-report-builder, probably a dependency cycle.

Yes. See the BTS:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571771
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573589

Already worked around in the packages, but as ftp-master still is down...
(see debian-devel-announce)

Grüße/Regards,

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Bluetooth keyboard trouble

[martin]

Hi,

This last days my keyboard has stop working. If I just let the computer start 
as normal, nothing works. The keyboard in question is a logitech dinovo edge 
with bluetooth connection, using the included receiver. I have observe the 
following:

* When trying to type on the keyboard, a red bluetooth icon appears on the 
keyboard
* In grub the keyboard works as normal
* If continuously pressing enter in grub to until the network has been setup, 
the keyboard will work for a while. If leaving the computer and coming back 
later, the may or may not work keyboard.
* There is a built in mouse that is affected as well.

I'm currently running up-to-date testing. keyboard is fully charge.

Any ideas what can be wrong is appreciated :) 

   Martin


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Re: handling removable media without gnome-volume-manager

[Dave Thayer]

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:23:18PM -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote:
> 
> the rule file is a udev rule file, right ?

Correct.

> Doesn't this mean that in the case of a specific device, you can simply
> match the device exactly and then mount it to a static mount point ?

Yes, this is the most straightforward approach, for each USB MSD you
can write a udev rule and a correspoding fstab entry (or automount
mapping). A good resource for this is Daniel Drake's writeup at 
. 

I did this for a long time but grew tired of having to edit conf files
every time I got a new toy. Hence, the label-based automount script.
 
> This seems like one of those problems which should have been solved a
> long time ago.

Gnome and KDE seem to do a pretty good job of handling this, as long
as you are willing to play within the bounds of the DE world. I'm kind
of a retro-grouch, so these things don't do me a whole lot of good.

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Re: gnome desktop and text terminal stop

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-31 21:04, Gero Putzar wrote:

Hi,

I am running Lenny on a computer that is used remotely as number cruncher
and as a work station at the same time. Now for the second time the desktop
login (gdm) has become very slow or virtually stopped accepting input. The
mouse pointer is still moving but very very slow and there seems to be no
reaction on keyboard input.

It looks pretty similar to when the load is too high, e.g. when it's
swapping all the time or the root partition is full, but that's not the
case.

I can still login via ssh and everything is fine through that channel. Using
'top' I see that the computer is basically idling. I can't find anything
suspicious in the log files.


Memory?  Excess swappage?

No, you already mentioned that...


I stopped and restarted gdm via ssh, no change. When gdm is stopped, the
text console does not accept input from the keyboard either. I did an init 1
and still the text console doesn't work. A complete reboot works. Everything
is working fine now.

The computer runs permanently (also hosting some network services). Last
night I had it run some memory and cpu intensive jobs and when I wanted to
log in the morning, it didn't work.

I can't experiment very much with it, I need it running. And anyway I have
no idea how to trigger this behaviour on purpose. If you have any idea how I
could get a clue or what I could look at when this happens again, please
give me a hint.


What if you stop gdm and just have the bare Elder Days console login 
prompt?  Get your GUI by running "startx".


If you can easily log in from the bare console, that might tell you 
something.



The computer is a HP workstation, 2 Xeon quadcores, 32GB RAM if that
matters.


Heat maybe frazzling something?

There are daemons that can log SMART and CPU temps to syslog.  Maybe 
there's also something like that for your video card.


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Re: NIC issue or other?

[Stan Hoeppner]

bri...@aracnet.com put forth on 3/31/2010 10:06 PM:
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 21:45:37 -0500
> Stan Hoeppner  wrote:
> 
>> Got this error message stream on a server today.  Never seen this
>> before. Does this mean my NIC is going south?  Or is something else
>> going on?  I tried manualy bringing the NIC back up but ifdown/up
>> didn't fix the problem. Had to reboot the server to fix it.  eth0
>> seems to be working fine now.
> 
> can't comment on the problem, however, if the driver is a module you
> might want to try unloading and reloading the module.  that might reset
> the card and wouldn't need to reboot.

The driver is built into the kernel.  Thanks for the suggestion though.

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Re: NIC issue or other?

[briand]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 21:45:37 -0500
Stan Hoeppner  wrote:

> Got this error message stream on a server today.  Never seen this
> before. Does this mean my NIC is going south?  Or is something else
> going on?  I tried manualy bringing the NIC back up but ifdown/up
> didn't fix the problem. Had to reboot the server to fix it.  eth0
> seems to be working fine now.

can't comment on the problem, however, if the driver is a module you
might want to try unloading and reloading the module.  that might reset
the card and wouldn't need to reboot.



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NIC issue or other?

[Stan Hoeppner]

Got this error message stream on a server today.  Never seen this before.
Does this mean my NIC is going south?  Or is something else going on?  I
tried manualy bringing the NIC back up but ifdown/up didn't fix the problem.
 Had to reboot the server to fix it.  eth0 seems to be working fine now.

Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: [ cut here ]
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: WARNING: at net/sched/sch_generic.c:261
dev_watchdog+0xf7/0x186()
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: Hardware name:
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 (e100): transmit queue 0
timed out
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: Modules linked in:
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: Pid: 0, comm: swapper Not tainted 2.6.32.9 #1
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: Call Trace:
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: [] ? warn_slowpath_common+0x5e/0x8a
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: [] ? warn_slowpath_fmt+0x26/0x2a
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: [] ? dev_watchdog+0xf7/0x186
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: [] ? __wake_up+0x29/0x39
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: [] ? __queue_work+0x4d/0x5a
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: [] ? dev_watchdog+0x0/0x186
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: [] ? run_timer_softirq+0x115/0x168
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: [] ? __do_softirq+0x78/0xe5
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: [] ? do_softirq+0x23/0x27
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: [] ? smp_apic_timer_interrupt+0x6c/0x76
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: [] ? apic_timer_interrupt+0x2a/0x30
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: [] ? default_idle+0x2a/0x3d
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: [] ? cpu_idle+0x37/0x4e
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: [] ? start_kernel+0x233/0x236
Mar 31 17:04:54 greer kernel: ---[ end trace 9c92c0e4b7673ea9 ]---
Mar 31 17:04:55 greer kernel: e100 :00:0d.0: firmware: using built-in
firmware e100/d101m_ucode.bin
Mar 31 17:04:55 greer kernel: e100: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex
Mar 31 17:46:17 greer kernel: e100 :00:0d.0: firmware: using built-in
firmware e100/d101m_ucode.bin
Mar 31 17:46:17 greer kernel: e100: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex
Mar 31 18:19:54 greer kernel: e100 :00:0d.0: firmware: using built-in
firmware e100/d101m_ucode.bin
Mar 31 18:19:55 greer kernel: e100: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex
Mar 31 19:01:12 greer kernel: e100 :00:0d.0: firmware: using built-in
firmware e100/d101m_ucode.bin
Mar 31 19:01:13 greer kernel: e100: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex
Mar 31 19:34:52 greer kernel: e100 :00:0d.0: firmware: using built-in
firmware e100/d101m_ucode.bin
Mar 31 19:34:53 greer kernel: e100: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex
Mar 31 20:16:24 greer kernel: e100 :00:0d.0: firmware: using built-in
firmware e100/d101m_ucode.bin
Mar 31 20:16:25 greer kernel: e100: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex
Mar 31 20:54:10 greer kernel: e100 :00:0d.0: firmware: using built-in
firmware e100/d101m_ucode.bin
Mar 31 20:54:11 greer kernel: e100: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex

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Re: connecting to WPA wireless network with ipw2100

[David Parker]

- Original Message -
From: Seb 
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 8:32 pm
Subject: connecting to WPA wireless network with ipw2100
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org

> Hello all!
> 
> I just aquired an IBM Thinkpad X31 laptop and have to work out the
> wireless (amongst other things). The firmware (firmware-ipw2x00) and
> drivers are installed and working (I think).
> 
> dojo:~# lspci | grep -i wireless
> 02:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 
> 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04)
> 
> I'm using wicd from the lenny-backports since I had very good
> experiences with wicd on my other machines. However, if I try and
> connect to my wireless - WPA-TKIP, Mixed mode (B and G) - I keep
> getting the message: "Connection failed: Could not contact the
> wireless access point." I'm positive the WAP is up and running since
> I'm writing this here from my other machine through it.
> 
> Syslog contains some dhclient messages that look like this:
> 
> 00:57:52 dhclient: Listening on LPF/eth2/00:04:23:96:55:2a
> 00:57:52 dhclient: Sending on   LPF/eth2/00:04:23:96:55:2a
> 00:57:52 dhclient: Sending on   Socket/fallback
> 
> And that's all that sticks out to me...
> 
> Any hints/tips/clues much appreciated, let me know if you need any
> more info.
> 
> TIA, Sebi
> 

Hello,
 
 Proving that your wireless card can communicate with your access point would 
be a good first step.  You can see if your card is picking up the access point 
by installing the wireless-tools package and then running this command:
 
 /sbin/iwscan list
 
 You should see information about every access point within an acceptable range 
of your laptop.  If your access point shows up, then at least you know that it 
is not a driver problem.  If it does not show up, or if you can't even get 
iwscan to work, then you might have a driver problem or some bad hardware.
 
 I have a laptop with an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG wireless card 
and it works fine on my WPA-TKIP wireless network using the ipw2200 driver.  
(AP is a Linksys WAP54G).
 
 Hope this helps.
 
     - Dave
 

testing upgrade issues with OpneOffice

[JW Foster]

I,m getting this error message for several days now.

E: Couldn't configure pre-depend openoffice.org-java-common for
openoffice.org-report-builder, probably a dependency cycle.


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gnome desktop and text terminal stop

[Gero Putzar]

Hi,

I am running Lenny on a computer that is used remotely as number cruncher
and as a work station at the same time. Now for the second time the desktop
login (gdm) has become very slow or virtually stopped accepting input. The
mouse pointer is still moving but very very slow and there seems to be no
reaction on keyboard input.

It looks pretty similar to when the load is too high, e.g. when it's
swapping all the time or the root partition is full, but that's not the
case.

I can still login via ssh and everything is fine through that channel. Using
'top' I see that the computer is basically idling. I can't find anything
suspicious in the log files.

I stopped and restarted gdm via ssh, no change. When gdm is stopped, the
text console does not accept input from the keyboard either. I did an init 1
and still the text console doesn't work. A complete reboot works. Everything
is working fine now.

The computer runs permanently (also hosting some network services). Last
night I had it run some memory and cpu intensive jobs and when I wanted to
log in the morning, it didn't work.

I can't experiment very much with it, I need it running. And anyway I have
no idea how to trigger this behaviour on purpose. If you have any idea how I
could get a clue or what I could look at when this happens again, please
give me a hint.

The computer is a HP workstation, 2 Xeon quadcores, 32GB RAM if that
matters.

Thanks, Gero.


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Re: connecting to WPA wireless network with ipw2100

[David Parker]

Whoops.

>  /sbin/iwscan list
 
Sorry, that command should be:
 
 /sbin/iwlist scan
 
     - Dave
 

Re: bind9 rndc reload problem (SOLVED)

[Jari Fredriksson]

On 1.4.2010 4:24, Jari Fredriksson wrote:
> 
> I think this is how it is supposed to be in Debian.
> 
> So.
> 1. I change a zone file
> 2. I add one to serial in the zone file
> 3. I command "rndc reload"
> 4. rndc connects to named, and all seems good
> 5. changes do not show up :(
> 
> Any ideas?
> 

Found it in BIND FAQ :/

Q:  
Why don't my zones reload when I do an "rndc reload" or SIGHUP?

A:  
A zone can be updated either by editing zone files and reloading the
server or by dynamic update, but not both. If you have enabled dynamic
update for a zone using the "allow-update" option, you are not supposed
to edit the zone file by hand, and the server will not attempt to reload it


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Re: bind9 rndc reload problem

[David Parker]

- Original Message -
From: Jari Fredriksson 
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:24 pm
Subject: bind9 rndc reload problem
To: Debian Users list 

> 
> When I command "rndc reload", this will be written to daemon.log
> 
> Apr  1 04:13:17 spitfire named[19287]: received control 
> channel command
> 'reload'
> Apr  1 04:13:17 spitfire named[19287]: loading 
> configuration from
> '/etc/bind/named.conf'
> Apr  1 04:13:17 spitfire named[19287]: using default 
> UDP/IPv4 port
> range: [1024, 65535]
> Apr  1 04:13:17 spitfire named[19287]: using default 
> UDP/IPv6 port
> range: [1024, 65535]
> Apr  1 04:13:17 spitfire named[19287]: reloading 
> configuration succeeded
> Apr  1 04:13:17 spitfire named[19287]: reloading zones succeeded
> 
> All seems good. But no, if I have changed, or modified the zone 
> records,for example added or removed an address, the changes do 
> not show!
> 
> Using Debian Lenny, BIND 9.6.1-P3
> 
> I tried to google, but could not find a suitable solution.
> 
> The new configuration comes alive if I do a restart for bind, 
> but that
> reload does not make it.
> 
> The configuration files are as follows:
> 
> /etc/bind/named.conf
>     |
>     /etc/bind/named.conf.local
>  |
>  
> /etc/bind/myzone.hosts
> I think this is how it is supposed to be in Debian.
> 
> So.
> 1. I change a zone file
> 2. I add one to serial in the zone file
> 3. I command "rndc reload"
> 4. rndc connects to named, and all seems good
> 5. changes do not show up :(
> 
> Any ideas?
> 

Hello,
 
 Are you changing the serial number in the zone file?  Generally, a good way to 
create the serial number is to use the format of:
 
 MMDDNN
 
 Where:
 
 Y = Year
 M = Month
 D = Day
 N = revision number starting at 00
 
 So if you edit the file on March 31, 2010, you would make the serial number 
2010033100.  If you edit it again on the same day, you would just increment the 
last digit.  You should update the serial number in any zone file you edit 
before running "rndc reload".
 
     - Dave

bind9 rndc reload problem

[Jari Fredriksson]

When I command "rndc reload", this will be written to daemon.log

Apr  1 04:13:17 spitfire named[19287]: received control channel command
'reload'
Apr  1 04:13:17 spitfire named[19287]: loading configuration from
'/etc/bind/named.conf'
Apr  1 04:13:17 spitfire named[19287]: using default UDP/IPv4 port
range: [1024, 65535]
Apr  1 04:13:17 spitfire named[19287]: using default UDP/IPv6 port
range: [1024, 65535]
Apr  1 04:13:17 spitfire named[19287]: reloading configuration succeeded
Apr  1 04:13:17 spitfire named[19287]: reloading zones succeeded

All seems good. But no, if I have changed, or modified the zone records,
for example added or removed an address, the changes do not show!

Using Debian Lenny, BIND 9.6.1-P3

I tried to google, but could not find a suitable solution.

The new configuration comes alive if I do a restart for bind, but that
reload does not make it.

The configuration files are as follows:

/etc/bind/named.conf
|
/etc/bind/named.conf.local
 |
 /etc/bind/myzone.hosts

I think this is how it is supposed to be in Debian.

So.
1. I change a zone file
2. I add one to serial in the zone file
3. I command "rndc reload"
4. rndc connects to named, and all seems good
5. changes do not show up :(

Any ideas?

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connecting to WPA wireless network with ipw2100

[Seb]

Hello all!

I just aquired an IBM Thinkpad X31 laptop and have to work out the
wireless (amongst other things). The firmware (firmware-ipw2x00) and
drivers are installed and working (I think).

dojo:~# lspci | grep -i wireless
02:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI 
Adapter (rev 04)

I'm using wicd from the lenny-backports since I had very good
experiences with wicd on my other machines. However, if I try and
connect to my wireless - WPA-TKIP, Mixed mode (B and G) - I keep
getting the message: "Connection failed: Could not contact the
wireless access point." I'm positive the WAP is up and running since
I'm writing this here from my other machine through it.

Syslog contains some dhclient messages that look like this:

00:57:52 dhclient: Listening on LPF/eth2/00:04:23:96:55:2a
00:57:52 dhclient: Sending on   LPF/eth2/00:04:23:96:55:2a
00:57:52 dhclient: Sending on   Socket/fallback

And that's all that sticks out to me...

Any hints/tips/clues much appreciated, let me know if you need any
more info.

TIA, Sebi


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Re: How to read log files

[Jari Fredriksson]

On 28.3.2010 19:33, Jari Fredriksson wrote:
> On 28.3.2010 19:11, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> Is there a good resource for learning to read log files such as the
>> kernel log, messages, dmesg, and such? I have been googling but found
>> nothing really comprehensive yet understandable for a newbie. Where
>> should I start?
>>
> 
> Install logwatch, it will email you the essentials of daily logs.
> 

Another one is logcheck. It will mail hourly much more log messages, but
tries to eliminate noise. It has a "plugin" mechanism to include filters
for the exclusion. Still posts plenty.

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Re: Why can't I reinstall locales?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-31 16:50, Ernie Dunbar wrote:

So today, Debsecan warns me about this issue:

CVE-2010-0015 nis/nss_nis/nis-pwd.c in the GNU C Library (aka glibc...
  
  - locales, libc6 (remotely exploitable, medium urgency)


And I figure, it's a good time to upgrade locales. Apt-get upgrade doesn't
think this needs to be upgraded, so I manually remove it and then try to
reinstall it.

Except it doesn't reinstall - I just get this error:

# apt-get install locales
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  locales: Depends: glibc-2.7-1
E: Broken packages


Apparently, glibc-2.7-1 is a dummy package, one which I can't install.

What do I do about this? I have perl scripts complaining loudly about the
lack of Locale.



Stable?

For as long as I can remember, though, package containing "the C 
library" has been named libc6.


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Why can't I reinstall locales?

[Ernie Dunbar]

So today, Debsecan warns me about this issue:

CVE-2010-0015 nis/nss_nis/nis-pwd.c in the GNU C Library (aka glibc...
  
  - locales, libc6 (remotely exploitable, medium urgency)


And I figure, it's a good time to upgrade locales. Apt-get upgrade doesn't
think this needs to be upgraded, so I manually remove it and then try to
reinstall it.

Except it doesn't reinstall - I just get this error:

# apt-get install locales
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  locales: Depends: glibc-2.7-1
E: Broken packages


Apparently, glibc-2.7-1 is a dummy package, one which I can't install.

What do I do about this? I have perl scripts complaining loudly about the
lack of Locale.


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Re: `Print selection' unimplemented in Iceweasel?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-31 17:01, Merciadri Luca wrote:

Bob Cox wrote:
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 18:47:15 +0100, Brad Rogers (b...@fineby.me.uk) wrote: 

  

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:50:10 +0200
Merciadri Luca  wrote:

Hello Merciadri,



And is it in your `File' menu?
  
No, it's not.  


I see it in File > Print > [ Print dialogue pop-up appears ] > Options >
Print Selection Only.  This final option is of course greyed-out if no
selection is already selected.

  

Okay. I think that this is the same for Brad. But why is there no such
option directly without needing to use the tab? I mean, there is `Print
pages' with `All', `Current' and `Range' options. Why is there no
`Selection' option there? It is even present in Icedove/Thunderbird!



QED: http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson/Print_Selection.png

It only becomes "ungreyed" when you actually select something on a 
web page.


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Re: `Print selection' unimplemented in Iceweasel?

[Merciadri Luca]

Bob Cox wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 18:47:15 +0100, Brad Rogers (b...@fineby.me.uk) 
> wrote: 
>
>   
>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:50:10 +0200
>> Merciadri Luca  wrote:
>>
>> Hello Merciadri,
>>
>> 
>>> And is it in your `File' menu?
>>>   
>> No, it's not.  
>> 
>
> I see it in File > Print > [ Print dialogue pop-up appears ] > Options >
> Print Selection Only.  This final option is of course greyed-out if no
> selection is already selected.
>
>   
Okay. I think that this is the same for Brad. But why is there no such
option directly without needing to use the tab? I mean, there is `Print
pages' with `All', `Current' and `Range' options. Why is there no
`Selection' option there? It is even present in Icedove/Thunderbird!

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Re: `Print selection' unimplemented in Iceweasel?

[Merciadri Luca]

Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:50:10 +0200
> Merciadri Luca  wrote:
>
> Hello Merciadri,
>
>   
>> And is it in your `File' menu?
>> 
>
> No, it's not.  
>
>   
And where is it, then (assuming you are not speaking about Printing
`Options')?

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Re: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:24:12 -0400 (EDT), Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 31 2010, Stephen Powell wrote:
>> As best as I can tell, kernel-package was at one time used by the
>> Debian kernel team to create official Debian stock kernel image
>> packages.  But at some point in the past there was a parting of the
>> ways, and the Debian kernel team started using other tools to create
>> official Debian stock kernel image packages.
>
> Arguably, at this point, they should have also stopped using
> /etc/kernel-img.conf (perhaps still parsing it as a fallbacK), and
> started using and documenting a _new_ file.  If that had been done,
> with the postinst only reading /etc/kernel=img.conf when the new config
> file was not present, would have allowed for a graceful transition to
> the new, differently documented, configuration file.

I agree completely.  Unfortunately, that was not done; and so we find
ourselves in the middle of muddle today.  But it's not too late.
The kernel team could start doing that.  And I believe that they should,
especially since there are now substantial differences between the supported
options in the config file for stock kernel image packages and kernel image
packages created by kernel-package.  You were using it first; so they
should be the ones to change.

(For those of you who do not recognize the name, this poster, Manoj
Srivastava, is the author and Debian package maintainer for the
kernel-package package, and is therefore the world's foremost authority
on this subject.)  Thanks for contributing, Manoj!

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Re: lenny/volatile KEYEXPIRED 1269969909

[Berni Elbourn]

d.sastre.med...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 09:26:16PM +0100, Berni Elbourn wrote:

d.sastre.med...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 07:35:58PM +0100, Berni Elbourn wrote:

Hi,

Is anyone else geting these when aptitude updating:

Fetched 44.6kB in 2min0s (369B/s)
Reading package lists... Done
W: GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org lenny/volatile Release: The 
following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1269969909 KEYEXPIRED 
1269969909 KEYEXPIRED 1269969909

W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems

WJFFM.


Which mirror are you using?


$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/volatile.list
deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main
contrib non-free
deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main
contrib non-free


Great. Thanks that one works here too  ... seems the uk mirrors just 
need to update.


Berni


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Re: Linux-image testing

[Aioanei Rares]

JW Foster wrote:

Can anyone tell me the difference between the trunk version & the other
version. I installed the trunk version & it seems to be running well but
the last update tried to install the other  version in testing. Why? &
it does not install, craps out with a lot of errors.??


  

Paste the errors.


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Linux-image testing

[JW Foster]

Can anyone tell me the difference between the trunk version & the other
version. I installed the trunk version & it seems to be running well but
the last update tried to install the other  version in testing. Why? &
it does not install, craps out with a lot of errors.??


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Re: No updates seen in a while

[Paul Johnson]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:51:31 +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

> John Hasler wrote:
>> "S.D.A." writes:
>>> Precisely, far too many lists on Debian and they could use some
>>> consolidation. My view is if an issue affects users of Debian; then it
>>> should be posted to the 'user' lists.
> 
> No.
> 
> debian-user is for "Help and discussion among users of Debian".
> 
> debian-announce is for "Important announcements".
> 
> cf. http://lists.debian.org/users.html
> 
> There are many different needs of different people. A higher number of
> mailing lists makes it just easier to accommodate all these needs. (It
> is rather simple to subscribe and unsubscribe).

Not only that, but there's also the gmane.linux.debian.* hierarchy...


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Re: lenny/volatile KEYEXPIRED 1269969909

[d . sastre . medina]

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 09:26:16PM +0100, Berni Elbourn wrote:
> d.sastre.med...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 07:35:58PM +0100, Berni Elbourn wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Is anyone else geting these when aptitude updating:
> >>
> >> Fetched 44.6kB in 2min0s (369B/s)
> >> Reading package lists... Done
> >> W: GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org lenny/volatile Release: The 
> >> following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1269969909 KEYEXPIRED 
> >> 1269969909 KEYEXPIRED 1269969909
> >> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
> > 
> > WJFFM.
> > 
> 
> Which mirror are you using?

$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/volatile.list
deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main
contrib non-free
deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main
contrib non-free

and 

pub   2048R/6D849617 2009-01-24 [caduca: 2013-01-23]
uid  Debian-Volatile Archive Automatic Signing Key
(5.0/lenny)

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Re: `Print selection' unimplemented in Iceweasel?

[Bob Cox]

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 18:47:15 +0100, Brad Rogers (b...@fineby.me.uk) wrote: 

> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:50:10 +0200
> Merciadri Luca  wrote:
> 
> Hello Merciadri,
> 
> > And is it in your `File' menu?
> 
> No, it's not.  

I see it in File > Print > [ Print dialogue pop-up appears ] > Options >
Print Selection Only.  This final option is of course greyed-out if no
selection is already selected.

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Re: How to read log files

[Dotan Cohen]

> Sure, a very efficient way to do some bug hunting is just to copy-paste
> the error in google's search, after removing some locale file names that
> are probably not unique. Usually that gives you a "this is wrong, and
> this is what you can do about is". When it doesn't is when the fun begins...
>

For very liberal values of "fun"!


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Re: How to read log files

[Dotan Cohen]

> Based on your previous posts, I take that to mean
>
> Tell me what book I should get to teach me how to fix errors I may encounter
> on my linux system.
>

No, a better paraphrase might be: "Please suggest resources (both
online and off) from where I could learn more about Debian-based
systems, specifically how to parse log files for errors".


> My answer is  Google is your friend.  I am not about to do your research
> for you.  This is a Help List but it is expected that the person asking for
> help has already tried other sources before asking for help here.
>

Actually I ask so that I could research the problems myself. My
ultimate goal is to learn, not to fix any particular problem.


> Microsoft help costs $, unless you search the net for answers.  Linux
> answers, be they good or bad, abound on the net.  Ask the right question and
> you will get answers.  You should have learned some of the questions to ask,
> Google, by all of the answers you have received in this thread.
>

If I were having a specific problem, then yes I would google it. But
googling for "how to parse linux log files" is not getting me any good
learning material. I had hoped that the gurus here might have come
across such a resource in their travels.


> Happy researching
>

Thanks, Wayne, it often is!


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Re: lenny/volatile KEYEXPIRED 1269969909

[Berni Elbourn]

d.sastre.med...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 07:35:58PM +0100, Berni Elbourn wrote:

Hi,

Is anyone else geting these when aptitude updating:

Fetched 44.6kB in 2min0s (369B/s)
Reading package lists... Done
W: GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org lenny/volatile Release: The 
following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1269969909 KEYEXPIRED 
1269969909 KEYEXPIRED 1269969909

W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems


WJFFM.



Which mirror are you using?


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Re: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Wed, Mar 31 2010, Stephen Powell wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:08:29 -0400 (EDT), John Hasler wrote:
>> Stephen Powell wrote:
>>> If there is a bug...
>> 
>> There clearly is.
>>>
>>> But as for it's operation, it is working as designed.
>> 
>> Design errors are still bugs.
>
> The main difference between a bug and a feature is that a feature is
> documented and a bug is not.  So perhaps you are right.  I can find
> no official documentation for /etc/kernel-img.conf as used by the
> maintainer scripts which ship with official Debian stock kernel image 
> packages.
> There is some documentation for the version of /etc/kernel-img.conf
> which is used by the maintainer scripts which are packaged with kernel
> image packages created by make-kpkg in the kernel-package package,
> but that clearly doesn't apply here.
>
> As best as I can tell, kernel-package was at one time used by the
> Debian kernel team to create official Debian stock kernel image
> packages.  But at some point in the past there was a parting of the
> ways, and the Debian kernel team started using other tools to create
> official Debian stock kernel image packages.

Arguably, at this point, they should have also stopped using
 /etc/kernel-img.conf (perhaps still parsing it as a fallbacK), and
 started using and documenting a _new_ file.  If that had been done,
 with the postinst only reading /etc/kernel=img.conf when the new config
 file was not present, would have allowed for a graceful transition to
 the new, differently documented, configuration file.

> What I learned about /etc/kernel-img.conf I learned from reading the
> man page that comes with the *Lenny* version of kernel-package.
> However, starting with the Squeeze version of kernel-package, there is
> a major philosophical departure from the past.  The new philosophy of
> the maintainer scripts that are packaged with a kernel image package
> created by make-kpkg is that *no* post-installation tasks such as
> creating an initial RAM filesystem, updating the symlinks, or
> re-running the boot loader will be performed.  If you want those
> things, you need to do them in a hook script.  The maintainer scripts
> that ship with stock kernel image packages still support most of these
> options.  Documentation for most of these options has been removed
> from the man page that ships with the Squeeze version of
> kernel-package.  The closest thing to documentation for the Squeeze
> version of /etc/kernel-img.conf, as used by the maintainer scripts for
> official Debian stock kernel image packages, is the man page for
> kernel-img.conf that ships with the *Lenny* version of kernel-package.
>
> This is not a good situation, and it should be addressed.  The problem
> is, against what package would you open a bug report, since the file
> does not belong to a package?  The file is referenced by the
> maintainer scripts of *every* stock kernel image package for *every*
> architecture, as well as by some other packages, such as the
> update-initramfs script of initramfs-tools.  (By the way, the fact
> that "do_bootloader = yes" is *not* honored for initial RAM filesystem
> *creation*, but *is* honored by an initial RAM filesystem *update*,
> may be a bug in the update-initramfs script of the initramfs-tools
> package.)

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Re: lenny/volatile KEYEXPIRED 1269969909

[d . sastre . medina]

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 07:35:58PM +0100, Berni Elbourn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is anyone else geting these when aptitude updating:
> 
> Fetched 44.6kB in 2min0s (369B/s)
> Reading package lists... Done
> W: GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org lenny/volatile Release: The 
> following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1269969909 KEYEXPIRED 
> 1269969909 KEYEXPIRED 1269969909
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems

WJFFM.

I tried to check that key in different keyserves (wwwkeys.de.pgp.net, 
pgp.mit.edu)

The answer is always the same: 

Error handling request: No keys found

From volatile.debian.org:

Archive signing key

   The archive key for lenny can be found in the
debian-archive-keyring package, which is installed by default, or in
lenny-volatile.asc[1] on this webserver.

This box uses:
# apt-cache show debian-archive-keyring
Package: debian-archive-keyring
Priority: important
Section: misc
Installed-Size: 60
Maintainer: Debian Release Team 
Architecture: all
Version: 2009.01.31
Depends: gnupg
Filename:
pool/main/d/debian-archive-keyring/debian-archive-keyring_2009.01.31_all.deb
Size: 12798
MD5sum: 3cdeff20c1e3a43070a02b3c36dbef8f
SHA1: 4737f742e01cb09f18c521948a38a09ff7cb2996
SHA256:
f541347f0d803962c29bd4e832dcdf25916b7e449d78b92eb5e17a622ca2b6b7
Description: GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive
 The Debian project digitally signs its Release files. This package
 contains the archive keys used for that.
Tag: admin::file-distribution, role::data, security::authentication,
suite::debian

# dpkg -l debian-archive-keyring
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
|
Estado=No/Instalado/Config-files/Desempaquetado/Fallo-config/Medio-inst/espera-disparo/pendiente-disparo
|/ Err?=(ninguno)/Retenido/Requiere-reinst/X=ambos problemas
(Estado,Err: mayúsc.=malo)
||/ Nombre  Versión
Descripción
+++-===-===-==
ii  debian-archive-keyring  2009.01.31
GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive

You could try manually fetching the key and import it into your keyring.

[1] http://www.debian.org/volatile/lenny-volatile.asc

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Re: How to read log files

[Sjoerd Hardeman]

Jochen Schulz schreef:
> Camaleón:
>> Then he could use a serial port and instruct kernel (at boot time) to log 
>> out there. I've done that one time, with a VM machine and another linux 
>> (openSUSE).
>>
>> What are the recommended steps to achieve this in Debian?
> 
> /etc/inittab contains examples. (Legacy) Grub can be configured to work
> over a serial line, too. Don't know about grub-pc.
Probably slightly easier: are you doing a specific job/connecting a
specific piece of hardware/... when your kernel panics? That can give
you a clue where to look.

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Re: lenny/volatile KEYEXPIRED 1269969909

[Berni Elbourn]

Berni Elbourn wrote:


Hi,

Is anyone else geting these when aptitude updating:

Fetched 44.6kB in 2min0s (369B/s)
Reading package lists... Done
W: GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org lenny/volatile Release: The 
following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1269969909 KEYEXPIRED 
1269969909 KEYEXPIRED 1269969909

W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems





Ok a bit more. Thanks to a steer from the Surrey LUG ... the 
etch/volatile key expired today...


I deleted that key:

pub   1024D/BBE55AB3 2007-03-31 [expired: 2010-03-30]
uid  Debian-Volatile Archive Automatic Signing Key 
(4.0/etch)


Now I get:

Fetched 44.6kB in 2min0s (370B/s)
Reading package lists... Done
W: GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org lenny/volatile Release: The 
following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not 
available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3

W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems

Hopefully the lenny/volatile mirrors will update soon...?

Berni


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Re: How to read log files

[Sjoerd Hardeman]

Wayne schreef:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>> As a last resort buy a book on linux that covers the subject you want
>>> answered.
>>>
>>
>> That was quite what I asked: where could I read more on the subject?
>> Dead trees are fine!
>>
> 
> Based on your previous posts, I take that to mean
> 
> Tell me what book I should get to teach me how to fix errors I may
> encounter on my linux system.
> 
> My answer is  Google is your friend.  I am not about to do your research
> for you.  This is a Help List but it is expected that the person asking
> for help has already tried other sources before asking for help here.
> 
> Microsoft help costs $, unless you search the net for answers.  Linux
> answers, be they good or bad, abound on the net.  Ask the right question
> and you will get answers.  You should have learned some of the questions
> to ask, Google, by all of the answers you have received in this thread.
Sure, a very efficient way to do some bug hunting is just to copy-paste
the error in google's search, after removing some locale file names that
are probably not unique. Usually that gives you a "this is wrong, and
this is what you can do about is". When it doesn't is when the fun begins...

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Re: How to read log files

[Wayne]

Dotan Cohen wrote:

As a last resort buy a book on linux that covers the subject you want
answered.



That was quite what I asked: where could I read more on the subject?
Dead trees are fine!



Based on your previous posts, I take that to mean

Tell me what book I should get to teach me how to fix errors I may 
encounter on my linux system.


My answer is  Google is your friend.  I am not about to do your research
for you.  This is a Help List but it is expected that the person asking 
for help has already tried other sources before asking for help here.


Microsoft help costs $, unless you search the net for answers.  Linux 
answers, be they good or bad, abound on the net.  Ask the right question 
and you will get answers.  You should have learned some of the questions 
to ask, Google, by all of the answers you have received in this thread.


Happy researching

Wayne


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Re: X: display refreshing just stops

[Perttu Muurimäki]

Ron Johnson  writes:

> On 2010-03-30 00:21, Perttu Muurimäki wrote:
>> Ron Johnson  writes:
>>
>>> On 2010-03-27 12:57, Perttu Muurimäki wrote:
 Hi again,

 Problem: Screen freezes until I touch any key or move the mouse.
>>> When does the freeze *start*?
>>
>> Sometimes when I'm not typing or moving the mouse. Once per 5 minutes
>> perhaps. Usually when something else is going on - for example typing
>> url and waiting for the browser to render the page just to realize that
>> it has done so several seconds ago but display doesn't show
>> it. Sometimes in the middle of window managers menu creation. I can see
>> the whole menu area but it contains only half of the entries.
>>
  For
 minutes I can just stare at Gkrellm and see the clock (and everything
 else) not doing anything. Everything on screen has stopped at whatever
 they were doing at the moment it freezed. However, in the background
 everything works (so the machine itself is alright) since the second I
 touch 'shift' -key the display comes back alive and I see things - that
 were running when display freezed - finished. This happens every few
 minutes. I am developing a shift -hitting habit :|

 I'm not sure whether kernel or X is the culprit. Graphics chip is intel
 845g and the X-driver is xserver-xorg-video-intel. Kernel is
 linux-image-2.6-amd64 2.6.32 and I've tried with kernel mode setting and
 without.
>
> My first guess is xserver-xorg-video-intel, but I've been wrong before.
>

This time You were right :) I found an oldish nvidia card in our "stuff
room" and with that (and xserver-xorg-video-nv) everything seems to work
flawlessly. Now that the culprit is known I can file a decent bug report
against it. Thank You.

 Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

>>> Can you ssh in from a different machine while it's frozen?
>>
>> YES! In fact I've tested this by going two floors down to server room,
>> login there, ssh from there to my workstation, find that everything works and
>> then come back. Nothing on the screen has changed!
>
> When that happens again, I'd run back down to the server room, ssh in
> and tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors.
>
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Re: Conclusion: Looking for good dark background GTK themes

[Charles Kroeger]

Try ude. That's all I use. It has a very black option, you will see nothing
but black.  xfce might let you use it as a wm..then maybe not. It's awfully
simple, fast, and clean. Forget about upgrades there aren't any. I think it
has been abandoned, still and all that doesn't stop making it the best
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Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:30:05 -0400 (EDT), Peter E. wrote:
> 
> Good of you to give the explanation and instructions 
> in msg02584.html.  My only remaining concern is that, 
> with this being unfamiliar territory with several 
> parameters to be adjusted, there appears to be a 
> non-trivial risk of a small error leaving the system 
> unbootable again.
>

Here is a link to an online version of the man page for kernel-img.conf
that appears to be close to the available options supported by the
maintainer scripts for *official stock Debian kernel image
packages* under Squeeze/Sid.  Note that many of these options no
longer work for *kernel image packages created by make-kpkg* under
Squeeze/Sid.  I cannot guarantee its accuracy.  For example,
I don't know if "do_bootfloppy = yes" still works.  I haven't tried
it.

   http://www.wlug.org.nz/kernel-img.conf%285%29

To create an environment that works for both kinds of kernel image
packages, I recommend that you customize /etc/kernel-img.conf as
outlined in the other thread *and* create the hook script environment
outlined in the web page mentioned in the other thread.  The hook
scripts seem to be necessary at the moment in order for lilo to get
run during the installation of a new kernel image package.  Whether
that is a bug (unintended) or a feature (intended) I am not sure.
But if you customize /etc/kernel-img.conf as recommended *and* set
up the hook scripts as recommended, all your bases will be covered.

As I see it, this whole problem started when the Debian kernel team
decided to stop using kernel-package to create official Debian stock
kernel images and started using other tools, which were initially
based on kernel-package scripts, of course.  Over time, they have
slowly drifted apart, yet both groups of maintainer scripts still use
/etc/kernel-img.conf as a configuration file.  In other words, this
is not a lilo-specific problem: this is a general kernel image
maintainer script problem.  To further muddy the waters, kernel upstream
now offers a "make deb-pkg" option to create a Debian package directly
from the kernel source package, without going through any Debian-specific
tools.  I have never used it.  I have no idea if it uses
/etc/kernel-img.conf, or if so, what options it supports.
What a mess we have here!

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lenny/volatile KEYEXPIRED 1269969909

[Berni Elbourn]

Hi,

Is anyone else geting these when aptitude updating:

Fetched 44.6kB in 2min0s (369B/s)
Reading package lists... Done
W: GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org lenny/volatile Release: The 
following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1269969909 KEYEXPIRED 
1269969909 KEYEXPIRED 1269969909

W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems



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Re: GUI for IPv6

[Andrei Popescu]

On Wed,31.Mar.10, 17:27:49, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
 
> Yeah! I too love debian's text only configuration files.
> 
> However, WICD is /my/ exception for using a config-gui instead of an
> editor. Just select the network you'd like to connect, optionally enter
> the password and done. (Wireless) network is configured and
> autoconnects. Don't even bother to authenticate as root.

It even has a curses text interface so you don't need X to operate it ;)

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Re: `Print selection' unimplemented in Iceweasel?

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:50:10 +0200
Merciadri Luca  wrote:

Hello Merciadri,

> And is it in your `File' menu?

No, it's not.  

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Re: How to read log files

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:00:18 -0400 (EDT), Dotan Cohen wrote
> Wayne wrote:
>> As a last resort buy a book on linux that covers the subject you want
>> answered.
>>
> 
> That was quite what I asked: where could I read more on the subject?
> Dead trees are fine!

I think I understand Dotan's point.  I cut my teeth in the IBM mainframe
environment.  (And indeed, I still work in that environment.)  In the
historical IBM mainframe environment, there were messages manuals.
*Every message* produced by the operating system, as well as IBM
program products, was listed in a messages manual somewhere.  It gave
an explanation of the message, its fields, what it meant, and in the
case of error messages, what to do about it.  (Sometimes the "what to
do about it" part was not too helpful, such as "correct the error and
resubmit the job".  But anyway ...)  By contrast, most Linux messages
are not documented anywhere, unless you call C source code documentation.

Someone who comes from the mainframe environment experiences culture shock
when he tries to look up a message.  There's usually no place to look
it up.  Yes, you can search the internet, but often you find it in
a post about an unrelated topic and the message is not explained.

I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, Toto.

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Re: How to read log files

[Dotan Cohen]

> As a last resort buy a book on linux that covers the subject you want
> answered.
>

That was quite what I asked: where could I read more on the subject?
Dead trees are fine!

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Re: `Print selection' unimplemented in Iceweasel?

[Merciadri Luca]

Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:29:46 +0200
> Merciadri Luca  wrote:
>
> Hello Merciadri,
>
>   
>> Why does the `Print selection' option look unimplemented in Iceweasel?
>> I always found this option really interesting.
>> 
>
> I don't use that function normally, but just tried it on a web page, and
> it worked for me.
>
>   
And is it in your `File' menu?

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Re: `Print selection' unimplemented in Iceweasel?

[Merciadri Luca]

Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:41:58 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
>
>   
>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:29:46 +0200 Merciadri Luca wrote:
>> 
>
>   
>>> Why does the `Print selection' option look unimplemented in Iceweasel?
>>> I always found this option really interesting.
>>>   
>> I don't use that function normally, but just tried it on a web page, and
>> it worked for me.
>> 
>
> Yep, here also works.
>   
It seems that I do not have this function in my `File' menu!
> @Merciadri: "Print selection" is available under "Options" tab.
>   
I did not know it. Thankis. I will use this, then.

Thanks!

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Re: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:08:29 -0400 (EDT), John Hasler wrote:
> Stephen Powell wrote:
>> If there is a bug...
> 
> There clearly is.
>>
>> But as for it's operation, it is working as designed.
> 
> Design errors are still bugs.

The main difference between a bug and a feature is that a feature is
documented and a bug is not.  So perhaps you are right.  I can find
no official documentation for /etc/kernel-img.conf as used by the
maintainer scripts which ship with official Debian stock kernel image packages.
There is some documentation for the version of /etc/kernel-img.conf
which is used by the maintainer scripts which are packaged with kernel
image packages created by make-kpkg in the kernel-package package,
but that clearly doesn't apply here.

As best as I can tell, kernel-package was at one time used by the
Debian kernel team to create official Debian stock kernel image packages.
But at some point in the past there was a parting of the ways, and the Debian
kernel team started using other tools to create official Debian stock kernel
image packages.  What I learned about /etc/kernel-img.conf I learned from
reading the man page that comes with the *Lenny* version of kernel-package.
However, starting with the Squeeze version of kernel-package, there
is a major philosophical departure from the past.  The new philosophy
of the maintainer scripts that are packaged with a kernel image package
created by make-kpkg is that *no* post-installation tasks such as
creating an initial RAM filesystem, updating the symlinks, or re-running
the boot loader will be performed.  If you want those things, you need
to do them in a hook script.  The maintainer scripts that ship with
stock kernel image packages still support most of these options.  Documentation
for most of these options has been removed from the man page that ships with
the Squeeze version of kernel-package.  The closest thing to documentation
for the Squeeze version of /etc/kernel-img.conf, as used by the maintainer
scripts for official Debian stock kernel image packages, is the man page
for kernel-img.conf that ships with the *Lenny* version of kernel-package.

This is not a good situation, and it should be addressed.  The problem is,
against what package would you open a bug report, since the file does not
belong to a package?  The file is referenced by the maintainer scripts of
*every* stock kernel image package for *every* architecture, as well as by
some other packages, such as the update-initramfs script of initramfs-tools.
(By the way, the fact that "do_bootloader = yes" is *not* honored for initial
RAM filesystem *creation*, but *is* honored by an initial RAM filesystem
*update*, may be a bug in the update-initramfs script of the initramfs-tools
package.)

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Re: No updates seen in a while

[Johannes Wiedersich]

John Hasler wrote:
> "S.D.A." writes:
>> Precisely, far too many lists on Debian and they could use some
>> consolidation. My view is if an issue affects users of Debian; then it
>> should be posted to the 'user' lists.

No.

debian-user is for "Help and discussion among users of Debian".

debian-announce is for "Important announcements".

cf. http://lists.debian.org/users.html

There are many different needs of different people. A higher number of
mailing lists makes it just easier to accommodate all these needs. (It
is rather simple to subscribe and unsubscribe).

> Many "users" cannot tolerate the high volume of debian-user but need to
> see announcements.  These people subscribe only to the low-volume
> "announce" lists.  On the other hand it is hard to see why those who can
> tolerate the high volume here cannot also subscribe the the low-volume
> "announce" lists.

And even users tolerating the high volume of d-u might want to have an
important announcement stand out (with a different 'to') for easy
filtering.

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Re: `Print selection' unimplemented in Iceweasel?

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:43:36 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:32:29 +0100 Lisi wrote:
 
> For comparison purposes
> 
>> On Wednesday 31 March 2010 15:23:54 Camaleón wrote:
>> > embedded browser feature. Any plugins installed?
>> No!

Me neither.
 
> Yes, but nothing to do with printing. IW 3.5.8
> 
>> > What DE are you running?
>> KDE 3.5.10 (Vanilla Lenny again)
> 
> KDE 4.3.somethingorother.  Testing/Squeeze.

GNOME 2.22 / Lenny / Iceweasel 3.0.6. And "print selection" is working as 
it should.

So it seems we have a mix of setups here and some work while others 
don't. Really weird.

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Re: `Print selection' unimplemented in Iceweasel?

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:32:29 +0100
Lisi  wrote:

Hello Lisi,

For comparison purposes

> On Wednesday 31 March 2010 15:23:54 Camaleón wrote:
> > embedded browser feature. Any plugins installed?   
> No!

Yes, but nothing to do with printing. IW 3.5.8

> > What DE are you running?   
> KDE 3.5.10 (Vanilla Lenny again)

KDE 4.3.somethingorother.  Testing/Squeeze.

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Re: GUI for IPv6

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Alexander Samad wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:07 AM, Curt Howland  wrote:
> [snip]
> 
>> Anyway, WICD is the only networking GUI I've used that worked for me,
>> but is there another that handles IPv6?
> 
> gvim /etc/network/interfaces
> gvim /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
> 
> works for me :)

Yeah! I too love debian's text only configuration files.

However, WICD is /my/ exception for using a config-gui instead of an
editor. Just select the network you'd like to connect, optionally enter
the password and done. (Wireless) network is configured and
autoconnects. Don't even bother to authenticate as root.

It's damn smart simple. 8-)

YMMV, of course,

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Re: `Print selection' unimplemented in Iceweasel?

[Lisi]

On Wednesday 31 March 2010 15:23:54 Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:14:35 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> > On Wednesday 31 March 2010 14:46:02 Camaleón wrote:
> >> Have you previously selected some piece of text? ;-)
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> >> What version are you running?
> >
> > 3.0.6
> >
> > Vanilla Lenny.
>
> Same here :-?
>
> Strange... dunno what can interfere with this operation because is an
> embedded browser feature. Any plugins installed? 

No!

> What DE are you running? 

KDE 3.5.10 (Vanilla Lenny again)

> > To be honest, it doesn't bother me much.  I just wanted to say that
> > Merciadri is not alone.
> >
> > I have previously had the same thing in Konqueror, so out of interest, I
> > have just tried again.  I cannot print selection from Konqueror, but I
> > can from Opera.  Interesting..
>
> Yep. You can try testing with a new (empty) Iceweasel profile.

When I have everything else working on this new (re)installation I might come 
back to this and do just that.  I am getting curious. ;-)  Currently I am 
more bothered about the copy feature in Xsane that  has a glitch, since it 
inconveniences me more.

Lisi


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Re (2): Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

[peasthope]

Stephen,

From:   Stephen Powell 
Date:   Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:25:49 -0400 (EDT)
>http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/03/msg02547.html
> 
> Follow the "Thread Next" link for the solution.

Date:   Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:23:02 -0400 (EDT)
> If there is a bug, it would be that there is no documentation
> for the official version of /etc/kernel-img.conf, or that /etc/kernel-img.conf
> does not belong to a package, or both. 

Good of you to give the explanation and instructions 
in msg02584.html.  My only remaining concern is that, 
with this being unfamiliar territory with several 
parameters to be adjusted, there appears to be a 
non-trivial risk of a small error leaving the system 
unbootable again.

I'd hope that within weeks or months, Grub will work 
again on the NetVista.  So an alternative plan is to 
simply watch for a hint that Grub is safe to try again.
If I reinstall Grub and find that a problem still exists, 
reversion to Lilo is a known task.

In any case, I've begun to learn about /etc/kernel-img.conf.

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Re: No updates seen in a while

[John Hasler]

"S.D.A." writes:
> Precisely, far too many lists on Debian and they could use some
> consolidation. My view is if an issue affects users of Debian; then it
> should be posted to the 'user' lists.

Many "users" cannot tolerate the high volume of debian-user but need to
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"announce" lists.  On the other hand it is hard to see why those who can
tolerate the high volume here cannot also subscribe the the low-volume
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Re: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

[John Hasler]

Stephen Powell writes:
> *You* didn't modify /etc/kernel-img.conf; but the *Debian installer*,
> on your behalf, *did* modify it during installation when it selected
> grub as the bootloader.  Changing boot loaders after installation
> often requires manually editing this file.

> If there is a bug...

There clearly is.

> But as for it's operation, it is working as designed.

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Re: `Print selection' unimplemented in Iceweasel?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-31 09:14, Lisi wrote:

On Wednesday 31 March 2010 14:46:02 Camaleón wrote:

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:42:10 +0100, Lisi wrote:

On Wednesday 31 March 2010 14:19:27 Camaleón wrote:

@Merciadri: "Print selection" is available under "Options" tab.

Not here. It is greyed out.

Have you previously selected some piece of text? ;-)


Yes.


What version are you running?


3.0.6

Vanilla Lenny.

To be honest, it doesn't bother me much.  I just wanted to say that Merciadri 
is not alone.


I have previously had the same thing in Konqueror, so out of interest, I have 
just tried again.  I cannot print selection from Konqueror, but I can from 
Opera.  Interesting..




Print Selection works for me in Sid, IW 3.5.8.

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Re: `Print selection' unimplemented in Iceweasel?

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:14:35 +0100, Lisi wrote:

> On Wednesday 31 March 2010 14:46:02 Camaleón wrote:

>> Have you previously selected some piece of text? ;-)
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> What version are you running?
> 
> 3.0.6
> 
> Vanilla Lenny.

Same here :-?

Strange... dunno what can interfere with this operation because is an 
embedded browser feature. Any plugins installed? What DE are you running?

> To be honest, it doesn't bother me much.  I just wanted to say that
> Merciadri is not alone.
> 
> I have previously had the same thing in Konqueror, so out of interest, I
> have just tried again.  I cannot print selection from Konqueror, but I
> can from Opera.  Interesting..

Yep. You can try testing with a new (empty) Iceweasel profile.

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Re: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:48:50 -0400 (EDT), briand wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:25:49 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote:
>> This file is classified as a "configuration file",
>> and therefore user modifications
>> to it are preserved.
>
> except that I didn't modify it, so it should have been overwritten with
> a file which would have allowed lilo to run.
> 
> I seem to remember being asked if I wanted config files overwritten
> when they are found to differ from what the package wants to install.

Two things are relevant here:

(1) /etc/kernel-img.conf does not belong to *any* package.  It is a
*system-wide* configuration file that affects the installation of
kernel image packages, but it does not belong to *any* package.
Therefore, it cannot be *replaced* by installing a package.

There is a package that is intended for use by those who wish to create
their own custom kernel image packages.  It is called kernel-package.
And it contains a *sample file* in the format of /etc/kernel-img.conf.
It is called /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/examples/sample.kernel-img.conf.
But the sample file and the configuration file are two different things.
Installing kernel-package will not replace /etc/kernel-img.conf.
kernel-package also contains a "man page" for kernel-img.conf, but it
only documents those options used by the maintainer scripts which
get packaged with kernel image packages created by make-kpkg.
There are other options which are used by the maintainer scripts
that are packaged with official Debian stock kernels that are not
documented in this man page.  And most people don't have kernel-package
installed anyway.  Unless you're building your own custom kernels,
you don't need it.

(2) *You* didn't modify /etc/kernel-img.conf;
but the *Debian installer*, on your behalf,
*did* modify it during installation when it selected grub as the
bootloader.  Changing boot loaders after installation often requires
manually editing this file.

If there is a bug, it would be that there is no documentation
for the official version of /etc/kernel-img.conf, or that /etc/kernel-img.conf
does not belong to a package, or both.  But as for it's operation,
it is working as designed.

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Re: `Print selection' unimplemented in Iceweasel?

[Lisi]

On Wednesday 31 March 2010 14:46:02 Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:42:10 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> > On Wednesday 31 March 2010 14:19:27 Camaleón wrote:
> >> @Merciadri: "Print selection" is available under "Options" tab.
> >
> > Not here. It is greyed out.
>
> Have you previously selected some piece of text? ;-)

Yes.

> What version are you running?

3.0.6

Vanilla Lenny.

To be honest, it doesn't bother me much.  I just wanted to say that Merciadri 
is not alone.

I have previously had the same thing in Konqueror, so out of interest, I have 
just tried again.  I cannot print selection from Konqueror, but I can from 
Opera.  Interesting..

Lisi


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Re: No updates seen in a while

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-31 08:51, Brad Rogers wrote:

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:32:29 -0400
"S.D.A."  wrote:

Hello S.D.A.,


update' for my SID laptop this morning. Says over 900 packages need to
be updated! Now I know it's been a few days since we received updates,
and I update every day prior to the downtime; Surely that can't be
right, can it?


Depends on all sorts of things (like what you've got installed) but yes,
at first sight, that seems like a lot.



SDA must have a lot more packages installed than I (who haven't 
upgraded in about a week) do:


$ apt-show-versions -u | wc
2491494   15535

(Yes, I run Sid.)

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Re: No updates seen in a while

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:32:29 -0400
"S.D.A."  wrote:

Hello S.D.A.,

> update' for my SID laptop this morning. Says over 900 packages need to
> be updated! Now I know it's been a few days since we received updates,
> and I update every day prior to the downtime; Surely that can't be
> right, can it?

Depends on all sorts of things (like what you've got installed) but yes,
at first sight, that seems like a lot.

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Re: `Print selection' unimplemented in Iceweasel?

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:42:10 +0100, Lisi wrote:

> On Wednesday 31 March 2010 14:19:27 Camaleón wrote:

>> @Merciadri: "Print selection" is available under "Options" tab.
> 
> Not here. It is greyed out.

Have you previously selected some piece of text? ;-)

What version are you running?

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Re: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

[briand]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:25:49 -0400 (EDT)
Stephen Powell  wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:04:19 -0400 (EDT), Peter E wrote:
> > 
> > As described in discussion a few weeks back, Lilo is installed 
> > in place of Grub in Squeeze on the IBM NetVista 6578-RAU 
> > here.  That's necessary for now.
> > 
> > But then a system update runs update-initramfs which tries 
> > to run update-grub which is not there.  I should be able 
> > to comment out the update-grub; and the assumption that 
> > grub is present should warrant a bug report.
> > 
> > Any advice or comments?
> 
> Hello again, Peter.  This is not a bug.  The maintainer script for the
> new kernel image package is trying to run update-grub because it is
> being told to do so by entries in /etc/kernel-img.conf.  This file is
> classified as a "configuration file", and therefore user modifications
> to it are preserved.  The Debian installer put lines in that file for
> grub during installation.  See another recent thread for another
> report of the same roblem:
> 

except that I didn't modify it, so it should have been overwritten with
a file which would have allowed lilo to run.

I seem to remember being asked if I wanted config files overwritten
when they are found to differ from what the package wants to install.

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Re: `Print selection' unimplemented in Iceweasel?

[Lisi]

On Wednesday 31 March 2010 14:19:27 Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:41:58 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:29:46 +0200 Merciadri Luca wrote:
> >> Why does the `Print selection' option look unimplemented in Iceweasel?
> >> I always found this option really interesting.
> >
> > I don't use that function normally, but just tried it on a web page, and
> > it worked for me.
>
> Yep, here also works.
>
> @Merciadri: "Print selection" is available under "Options" tab.

Not here. It is greyed out.

Lisi


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Re: No updates seen in a while

[S.D.A.]

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 09:22:16AM +0100, Brad Rogers uttered:
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 23:53:19 +0300
> Andrei Popescu  wrote:
> 
> Hello Andrei,
> 
> > security-master)[1] and testing/unstable users should be subscribed to 
> > debian-devel-announce. It's low-traffic enough to not be a burden to 
> > follow.
> 
> I tend to agree, but as per my reply to John (Hasler), not everyone will
> see it that way.

Precisely, far too many lists on Debian and they could use some
consolidation. My view is if an issue affects users of Debian; then it
should be posted to the 'user' lists.

Speaking of this issue (FTP master being down); I did an 'aptitude
update' for my SID laptop this morning. Says over 900 packages need to
be updated! Now I know it's been a few days since we received updates,
and I update every day prior to the downtime; Surely that can't be
right, can it?


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Re: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

[Stephen Powell]

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:04:19 -0400 (EDT), Peter E wrote:
> 
> As described in discussion a few weeks back, Lilo is installed 
> in place of Grub in Squeeze on the IBM NetVista 6578-RAU 
> here.  That's necessary for now.
> 
> But then a system update runs update-initramfs which tries 
> to run update-grub which is not there.  I should be able 
> to comment out the update-grub; and the assumption that 
> grub is present should warrant a bug report.
> 
> Any advice or comments?

Hello again, Peter.  This is not a bug.  The maintainer script for the
new kernel image package is trying to run update-grub because it is
being told to do so by entries in /etc/kernel-img.conf.  This file is
classified as a "configuration file", and therefore user modifications
to it are preserved.  The Debian installer put lines in that file for
grub during installation.  See another recent thread for another report
of the same roblem:

   http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/03/msg02547.html

Follow the "Thread Next" link for the solution.

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Re: `Print selection' unimplemented in Iceweasel?

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:41:58 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:29:46 +0200 Merciadri Luca wrote:

>> Why does the `Print selection' option look unimplemented in Iceweasel?
>> I always found this option really interesting.
> 
> I don't use that function normally, but just tried it on a web page, and
> it worked for me.

Yep, here also works.

@Merciadri: "Print selection" is available under "Options" tab.

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Re: squirrelmail: how select all messages?

[Pol Hallen]

> No plugins needed: just click the 'Toggle all' link above the message
> list or another under the list. If the list does not show all messages,
> you can click "Show all" link first, then "Toggle all".
done

thanks :)

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Re: `Print selection' unimplemented in Iceweasel?

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:29:46 +0200
Merciadri Luca  wrote:

Hello Merciadri,

> Why does the `Print selection' option look unimplemented in Iceweasel?
> I always found this option really interesting.

I don't use that function normally, but just tried it on a web page, and
it worked for me.

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Hi,

Why does the `Print selection' option look unimplemented in Iceweasel?
I always found this option really interesting.

If I want to print a part of a web page, I am obliged to copy the part
I want to print into OOwriter, and then print it.

Thanks.

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Re: squirrelmail: how select all messages?

[Jari Fredriksson]

On 31.3.2010 14:44, Pol Hallen wrote:
> hi all :)
> 
> Using squirrelmail on debian stable, I can't see how select all
> messages.
> it there a way or plugin to do this?
> thanks

No plugins needed: just click the 'Toggle all' link above the message
list or another under the list. If the list does not show all messages,
you can click "Show all" link first, then "Toggle all".

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Re: squirrelmail: how select all messages?

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:44:13 +0200, Pol Hallen wrote:

> Using squirrelmail on debian stable, I can't see how select all
> messages.
> it there a way or plugin to do this?

Check if that helps:

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Plugins - Select Range
Category: Message & Folder Manipulation

This plugin allows users to quickly select many items from a list, such 
as the message list or the address book list. It can be useful, for 
example, when the user needs to delete, move, or modify the status of 
several messages at once, such as when handling high-volume mailing 
lists. JavaScript is required in the client browser in order for this 
plugin to function.
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squirrelmail: how select all messages?

[Pol Hallen]

hi all :)

Using squirrelmail on debian stable, I can't see how select all
messages.
it there a way or plugin to do this?
thanks

Pol


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Re: backports issue with firefox and a mms stream

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2010-03-31, Paul Eskello  wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> I'm a satisfied debian lenny user, but in some need of a more recent
> firefox/iceweasel then 3.0.6, so I decided to use the 3.5.8 version
> from the backports repo.
>
> Great, but my fav radiostream only offers a mms stream. My fresh 3.5.8
> doesn't 'interface' with mplayer. I pulled a new plugin-handler from
> backports as well, but nada. No mplayer seems available, nor could I
> find any solution online.
>
> Copying  the mms streamlink manual to a terminalscreen and starting
> mplayer by hand seems the only solution. At that point, I decided to
> revert to the y'old 3.0.6, wanting not to screw up many more things
> I'm not aware of now.
>
> Is this intentional behaviour of the backport ? Am I doing something
> wrong ? Yeah I know I can fetch firefox from their site, but I want to
> stick to the repo's.
>

Have you tried setting up the file association manually? If you put an
mms:// URL in the location bar, you will be prompted to choose an
application to handle that protocol.

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Re: backports issue with firefox and a mms stream

[Freeman]

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 09:22:07AM +0200, Paul Eskello wrote:
> Hi List,
> 
> I'm a satisfied debian lenny user, but in some need of a more recent
> firefox/iceweasel then 3.0.6, so I decided to use the 3.5.8 version
> from the backports repo.
> 
> Great, but my fav radiostream only offers a mms stream. My fresh 3.5.8
> doesn't 'interface' with mplayer. I pulled a new plugin-handler from
> backports as well, but nada. No mplayer seems available, nor could I
> find any solution online.
> 
> Copying  the mms streamlink manual to a terminalscreen and starting
> mplayer by hand seems the only solution. At that point, I decided to
> revert to the y'old 3.0.6, wanting not to screw up many more things
> I'm not aware of now.
> 
> Is this intentional behaviour of the backport ? Am I doing something
> wrong ? Yeah I know I can fetch firefox from their site, but I want to
> stick to the repo's.
> 

VLC is suppose to play mms, or it comes with an mms plugin. I don't have
first hand info.  I've never streamed mms.  After install, it would be a
matter of clicking on the link and choosing /usr/bin/vlc the subsequent
dialog.  The association can be saved saved.  I am assuming you have tried
the mplayer in debian-multimedia.org .

You might do well to sprint for the vlc in testing if it fits your MO.

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Re: what populates /proc/acpi/fan?

[Sjoerd Hardeman]

Camaleón schreef:

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:04:08 -0400, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:


On a Dell Precision T7400 machine running Debian Lenny (stable) with
2.6.26-2-amd64 kernel, I find that /proc/acpi/fan directory is empty. Is
there any package to install, module to load to populate this directory?


There is an utility for Dell laptops (i8kutils) to handle this:

***
http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i8kutils

utilities for Dell Inspiron and Latitude laptops

This is a collection of utilities to control Dell Inspiron and Latitude 
laptops. It includes programs to turn the fan on and off, to read fan 
status, CPU temperature, BIOS version and to handle the volume buttons 
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But seems to be only available for 32-bits architecture :-?

For the 64 bit version you can resort to squeeze:
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i8kutils

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Re: what populates /proc/acpi/fan?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:04:08 -0400, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:

> On a Dell Precision T7400 machine running Debian Lenny (stable) with
> 2.6.26-2-amd64 kernel, I find that /proc/acpi/fan directory is empty. Is
> there any package to install, module to load to populate this directory?

In fact, under some computers that directory is empty but in others I can 
see there is fan info (on/off status)

"acpi -V" will display all available information.
 
> The actual problem is like this:
> 
> Initially when the machine is rebooted it is very quiet. Then if I run a
> large simulation (with heavy CPU laod) for a day or so, the fan starts
> revving up to cool the CPU. But when the simulation is stopped, the fan
> does not stop rotating even after couple of hours. At this point, the
> load on the system is minimal, but the fan does not stop rotating.
> However, if I reboot the machine, the fan is quiet again. So, I am
> guessing it is an acpi related issue.
> 
> The fan is very noisy when it rotates, so I would like to manually stop
> the fan once in a while.

There is an utility for Dell laptops (i8kutils) to handle this:

***
http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i8kutils

utilities for Dell Inspiron and Latitude laptops

This is a collection of utilities to control Dell Inspiron and Latitude 
laptops. It includes programs to turn the fan on and off, to read fan 
status, CPU temperature, BIOS version and to handle the volume buttons 
and Fn-keys
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But seems to be only available for 32-bits architecture :-?

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backports issue with firefox and a mms stream

[Paul Eskello]

Hi List,

I'm a satisfied debian lenny user, but in some need of a more recent
firefox/iceweasel then 3.0.6, so I decided to use the 3.5.8 version
from the backports repo.

Great, but my fav radiostream only offers a mms stream. My fresh 3.5.8
doesn't 'interface' with mplayer. I pulled a new plugin-handler from
backports as well, but nada. No mplayer seems available, nor could I
find any solution online.

Copying  the mms streamlink manual to a terminalscreen and starting
mplayer by hand seems the only solution. At that point, I decided to
revert to the y'old 3.0.6, wanting not to screw up many more things
I'm not aware of now.

Is this intentional behaviour of the backport ? Am I doing something
wrong ? Yeah I know I can fetch firefox from their site, but I want to
stick to the repo's.

Regards,
P


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