Re: What package contains the time daemon?
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:32:53PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > It is, once ntpdate has slammed the correct time into the system at boot > time, then ntp takes over. Unless I misremember, you don't even need ntpdate. Starting ntp with -g will do just fine (and it's the default config - I add -N). I don't even have ntpdate installed. -- "A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier." - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/indeed/story-e6frev20-118083480 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150726040937.ga5...@zip.com.au
Re: What package contains the time daemon?
On Saturday 25 July 2015 20:08:34 Bob Bernstein wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Jul 2015, Iain M Conochie wrote:
> >> No. This is an incorrect response.
> >
> > Really?
>
> Um...your own homework, below, suggests that ntp is
> not the only package that performs the task in
> question. Since ntpdate does not depend on ntp, then I
> have to say, simply REALLY!
But ntpdate is only used at bootup, once. The machine can and will drift.
Running ntp as a daemon, it checks the round trip time and initially
adjusts the time to within a few milliseconds of NBS time, trimming the
clocks own tick so that its initial every 3 or 4 minute checks can be
reduced to 30 minutes or so after a few hours. And you are always on
time.
> > apt-cache search ntp | grep ^ntp
> > ntp - Network Time Protocol daemon and utility programs
> > ntp-doc - Network Time Protocol documentation
> > ntpdate - client for setting system time from NTP servers
> > ntpstat - show network time protocol (ntp) status
>
> My beef here is with the original respondent, whose
> glib one work reply ("ntp") suggested that was the
> be-all and end-all of the question.
It is, once ntpdate has slammed the correct time into the system at boot
time, then ntp takes over.
> I have run out of
> patience with the self-appointed experts on this list
> who are clearly suffering from delusions of adequacy,
> if not outright IQ insufficiency.
Insults not called for Bob. I suggest you study the appropriate manpages
to learn how this works IF you want to do it right.
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> 'loony' merely because I have a pet halibut? I've heard
> tell that Sir Gerald Nabarro has a pet prawn called Simon
> - you wouldn't call him a loony!
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Unwanted application autostarting at login with XFCE
Reposting, since the original post seems to have gotten lost in the mail. I've got an annoying problem. Every time I login to the XFCE desktop, an application starts that I don't want. (It happens to be abiword.) I close the application window and go on, but it starts up again the next time I login. I've checked Applications -> Settings -> Session and Startup in the "Application Autostart" and "Session" tabs, but abiword is not listed there. I've searched the Internet, but did not find anything. Any ideas? -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1047528619.2127116.1437875357260.javamail.zim...@wowway.com
Re: What package contains the time daemon?
The Wanderer writes: > The original question was "What package contains the daemon that > updates the time from a central site?". > The ntp package contains such a daemon - indeed, until systemd, almost > certainly the primary such daemon. The chrony package provides a time daemon that uses the NTP protocol and interoperates with ntpd. Note that NTP is a peer-to-peer protocol: the daemon and client are the same thing. BTW chrony and ntpd do not merely set the time. They synchronizes it with the stratum one servers using sophisticated algorithms to account for noise and propagation delays. Ntpdate is a simple program which merely fetches the time once from a server and sets the system clock. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87egjvzobf@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: What package contains the time daemon?
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015, The Wanderer wrote: This is bordering on code-of-conduct questionability. I'm glad to hear that. I can see that my work here is done. -- I am not a loony. Why should I be tarred with the epithet 'loony' merely because I have a pet halibut? I've heard tell that Sir Gerald Nabarro has a pet prawn called Simon - you wouldn't call him a loony! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/nycvar.QRO.7.75.3.1507252103170.1569@arjgebyy.ybpnyqbznva
Re: What package contains the time daemon?
Am 26.07.2015 um 02:23 schrieb The Wanderer: > The original question was "What package contains the daemon that updates > the time from a central site?". > > The ntp package contains such a daemon - indeed, until systemd, almost > certainly the primary such daemon. (And AFAIK the only reason it might > not be the primary such daemon now is systemd's "we're already here, so > you might as well use our tools instead of looking for alternatives" > effect, analogously to how IE got its dominant market share.) I think you are mixing up daemon with server here. You can have a client, which is a daemon. ntp implements both, an NTP client and server. systemd-timesyncd only implements a client (running as daemon). chrony, fwiw, is another client (running as daemon). ntpdate is a client (triggered via if-up.d hooks). Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: What package contains the time daemon?
On 07/25/2015 at 08:08 PM, Bob Bernstein wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Jul 2015, Iain M Conochie wrote:
>
>>> No. This is an incorrect response.
>
>> Really?
>
> Um...your own homework, below, suggests that ntp is not the only
> package that performs the task in question. Since ntpdate does not
> depend on ntp, then I have to say, simply REALLY!
It's the only package (at least of the ones he listed) which contains a
time-sync daemon, though:
>> apt-cache search ntp | grep ^ntp
>> ntp - Network Time Protocol daemon and utility programs
This provides the daemon.
>> ntp-doc - Network Time Protocol documentation
This is documentation.
>> ntpdate - client for setting system time from NTP servers
This provides a client, not a daemon. It talks to the daemon across the
network, which is why there's no dependency.
>> ntpstat - show network time protocol (ntp) status
This provides a utility program of some kind. At a glance, I can't quite
work out what the utility does, but it's clearly not a daemon.
> My beef here is with the original respondent, whose glib one work
> reply ("ntp") suggested that was the be-all and end-all of the
> question. I have run out of patience with the self-appointed experts
> on this list who are clearly suffering from delusions of adequacy, if
> not outright IQ insufficiency.
Chill, dude. This is bordering on code-of-conduct questionability.
The original question was "What package contains the daemon that updates
the time from a central site?".
The ntp package contains such a daemon - indeed, until systemd, almost
certainly the primary such daemon. (And AFAIK the only reason it might
not be the primary such daemon now is systemd's "we're already here, so
you might as well use our tools instead of looking for alternatives"
effect, analogously to how IE got its dominant market share.)
In the "systemd era", just listing ntp is indeed incomplete, and I
wouldn't have been comfortable giving an answer which didn't mention
other options myself - but for someone who wants to install a time
daemon without having to worry about ancillary details, ntp is the
package they probably want, so it's not entirely unreasonable to give it
as a flat answer to a question which specifically asks for the name of a
package.
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Various problems after upgrade to Jessie
So I had several systems running Wheezy, since Jessie went GA I've upgraded most of them. One got into an unbootable state and I haven't had a chance to try with a rescue disk yet. The rest are all switched over, "apt-get upgrade" says nothing remains to be done, but there are some remaining problems... 1. On two graphical desktops (which both use the same /home, mounted via NFS), when I initially upgraded, the GNOME Character Palette kept crashing. Message 'Error / "Character Palette" has quit unexpectedly'. After multiple reboots, I was able to add it back (and it had lost my custom set of characters, luckily I had them in a text-file). However, now after I click one character to select it, the whole palette goes black (making it hard to find a character). 2. On a laptop I upgraded today, the Character Palette is now crashing. 3. On the laptops and the desktop, I get prompted to open my GNOME keyring (entering my login password unlocks it) by a pop-up window after I log in. 4. One of the desktops had a qemu virtual machine that would start at boot from a custom script. Since the update, the process starts at boot but a VNC client connecting to it hangs forever, and it's not clear that it's even proceeding with the boot process. If I kill that process, it doesn't stop. If I "kill -9" the process, I get a zombie... root 2834 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?Zl Jul18 1:02 [qemu-system-i38] If I try restarting the script anyway, it fails with the following error (even though said pidfile does not exist)... * Could not acquire pidfile: No such file or directory Suggestions for solving any of the problems? -- David Lee Lambert * KD8WQF * (cell) +1 586-873-8813 IM: davidleelambert (Yahoo!, Skype and Google Talk) "Justicia, Tierra y Libertad" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55b421f7.5070...@lmert.com
Re: What package contains the time daemon?
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015, Iain M Conochie wrote:
No. This is an incorrect response.
Really?
Um...your own homework, below, suggests that ntp is
not the only package that performs the task in
question. Since ntpdate does not depend on ntp, then I
have to say, simply REALLY!
apt-cache search ntp | grep ^ntp
ntp - Network Time Protocol daemon and utility programs
ntp-doc - Network Time Protocol documentation
ntpdate - client for setting system time from NTP servers
ntpstat - show network time protocol (ntp) status
My beef here is with the original respondent, whose
glib one work reply ("ntp") suggested that was the
be-all and end-all of the question. I have run out of
patience with the self-appointed experts on this list
who are clearly suffering from delusions of adequacy,
if not outright IQ insufficiency.
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Re: What package contains the time daemon?
Am 25.07.2015 um 21:26 schrieb Holger Schramm: > Am 25.07.2015 um 20:52 schrieb John J. Boyer: >> I am wondering if my Jessie system is updating its clock regularly. It >> gives a >> different time than my Windows box. What package contains the daemon >> that updates the time from a central site? > > If you are using systemd, look for timedatectl. Settings are at > /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf In most cases, simply running "systemctl enable systemd-timesyncd" and starting it via "systemctl start systemd-timesyncd" should be sufficient. In stretch, systemd-timesyncd is actually enabled by default, for jessie, you need to enable it explicitly. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: What package contains the time daemon?
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 19:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Bob Bernstein wrote: > On Sat, 25 Jul 2015, Gary Dale wrote: > > ntp > No. This is an incorrect response. According to the Description of the package ntp: "This package contains the NTP daemon and utility programs. " Cheers, Ron. -- La perfection est atteinte non quand il ne reste rien à ajouter, mais quand il ne reste rien à enlever. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150725193509.5e67e...@ron.cerrocora.org
Re: What package contains the time daemon?
On 26/07/15 00:08, Bob Bernstein wrote: On Sat, 25 Jul 2015, Gary Dale wrote: ntp No. This is an incorrect response. Really? apt-cache search ntp | grep ^ntp ntp - Network Time Protocol daemon and utility programs ntp-doc - Network Time Protocol documentation ntpdate - client for setting system time from NTP servers ntpstat - show network time protocol (ntp) status -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55b41a31.6020...@thargoid.co.uk
Re: What package contains the time daemon?
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015, Gary Dale wrote: ntp No. This is an incorrect response. -- I am not a loony. Why should I be tarred with the epithet 'loony' merely because I have a pet halibut? I've heard tell that Sir Gerald Nabarro has a pet prawn called Simon - you wouldn't call him a loony! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/nycvar.QRO.7.75.3.1507251907200.6744@arjgebyy.ybpnyqbznva
Re: difficulty entering balance mode
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 01:43:12PM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> On 2015-07-25 14:53 -0400, Haines Brown wrote:
>
> > I've reduced things to elementals. That is, I do $ emacs -q -l
> > .emacs-test. This .emacs-test file has in it only these lines:
> >
> > (autoload 'balance-mode "balance")
> >(setq auto-mode-alist
> > (append '(("\\.bal\\'" . balance-mode)) auto-mode-alist))
> >
> > When I do M-x f to find .balance.bal, now it opens on first try, but
> > emacs does not enter balance mode. I get this error:
> >
> > file mode specification error: (file-error) "Cannot open load file "no
> > such file or directory" "balance".
> Emacs cannot find the lisp module for some reason. The real file name
> would be "balance.el" or "balance.elc". Since I don't know what OS
> you're on, I can't advise how to look for it.
OS here is Linux Debian Wheezy.
The balance file must have a .bal extension. I assume that user's home
directory is in emacs' path because it finds the .emacs file
there. Indeed for years I have used a .balance.bal file in user's home
directory without any problem. The permissions on the old balance.bal
file and the current one are the same.
> When it loads a module, emacs looks for one of those files in
> directories which are in the lisp variable load-path.
> But in this test scenario the reason is probably simply that load-path
> isn't set as it is when you eval your normal init code.
My basic .emacs configuration file defines a number of paths, but the
closest to a definition of user's home directory is
(add-to-list 'load-path "/home/haines/.emacs.d/elisp/")
Adding this line to my test configuration does not help. Placing a copy
of balance.bal into ~/.emacs.d/elisp/ did not help.
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Re: What package contains the time daemon?
On 07/25/2015 02:59 PM, Gary Dale wrote: > On 25/07/15 02:52 PM, John J. Boyer wrote: >> I am wondering if my Jessie system is updating its clock regularly. It >> gives a >> different time than my Windows box. What package contains the daemon >> that updates the time from a central site? >> >> Thanks, >> John >> > ntp > I use ntpdate. rdate is another package. ~$ zgrep 'time server' /var/log/syslog* | less may show you recent time adjustments. Regards, Ralph signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: What package contains the time daemon?
Am 25.07.2015 um 20:52 schrieb John J. Boyer: > I am wondering if my Jessie system is updating its clock regularly. It > gives a > different time than my Windows box. What package contains the daemon > that updates the time from a central site? If you are using systemd, look for timedatectl. Settings are at /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf -- Holger -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55b3e2d7.2010...@schramm.by
Re: What package contains the time daemon?
On Sat 25 Jul 2015 at 13:52:28 -0500, John J. Boyer wrote: > I am wondering if my Jessie system is updating its clock regularly. It > gives a different time than my Windows box. What package contains the > daemon that updates the time from a central site? You might want to quantify this time difference (1 second, 1 hour, 1 day etc) and say which machine you regard as being correct. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/25072015201922.ff645bf1b...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: What package contains the time daemon?
On 25/07/15 02:52 PM, John J. Boyer wrote: I am wondering if my Jessie system is updating its clock regularly. It gives a different time than my Windows box. What package contains the daemon that updates the time from a central site? Thanks, John ntp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55b3dc90.5070...@torfree.net
What package contains the time daemon?
I am wondering if my Jessie system is updating its clock regularly. It gives a different time than my Windows box. What package contains the daemon that updates the time from a central site? Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer; President, AbilitiesSoft, Inc. http://www.abilitiessoft.org Madison, Wisconsin USA We develop software for people with disabilities which is abailable at no cost. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150725185228.ga14...@debian.abilitiessoft.org
Browser with weak ciphers in testing ?
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host ipv6 on bridge not working
Hi all, I’ve a working setup on a virtualization host with two NIC’s, one for LAN and the other for DMZ. The host itself is only accessible on the LAN NIC. The containers (openvz) are connected to either one of the NIC’s. Both NIC’s are connected to a router/firewall that routes between WAN, DMZ and LAN. My network is dual stack. This setup is currently working for both IPv4 and IPv6, but has two strange issues with IPv6: 1. IPv6 only works if I disable RA’s on the DMZ side of the router. When enabled, the DMZ NIC, that does not have IP’s configured for the hardware node itself, will auto configure IPv6, even if I set net.ipv6.conf.all.accept_ra = 0. The LAN NIC that has an IPv6 address and all containers will lose their IPv6 connectivity both on DMZ and on the LAN side. Disabling RA on the router’s DMZ interface is no problem, but it’s still strange. What could be the cause? 2. Without the RA, the containers have full IPv6 connectivity. The hardware node however does have a LAN IPv6 address, but can’t be reached. On the LAN I get a ‘no route to host’ error. It seems as even though the LAN NIC / bridge has an IPv6, it doesn’t advertise itself accordingly on the LAN. The setup seems fine, the routing seems fine, but I can neither ssh -6 nor ping6 to or from the hardware node. What could I do / test to solve this issue? The setup in interfaces: # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The primary LAN network interface iface eth0 inet manual iface eth0 inet6 manual auto vzbr_lan iface vzbr_lan inet static address 192.168.1.xx netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.1 dns-nameservers 192.168.1.1 dns-search somedomain.tld bridge_ports eth0 bridge_stp off bridge_waitport 0 bridge_df 0 iface vzbr_lan inet6 static address :::3::xx netmask 64 gateway :::3::1 dns-nameservers :::3::1 dns-search somedomain.tld # The primary DMZ network interface iface eth1 inet manual iface eth1 inet6 manual auto vzbr_dmz iface vzbr_dmz inet manual bridge_ports eth1 bridge_stp off bridge_waitport 0 bridge_fd 0 iface vzbr_dmz inet6 manual The resulting routing: $ ip -6 route show :::3::/64 dev vzbr_lan proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 0 :::3::/64 dev vzbr_lan proto kernel metric 256 expires 2591598sec mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 0 fe80::1 dev venet0 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 0 fe80::/64 dev eth0 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 0 fe80::/64 dev vzbr_lan proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 0 fe80::/64 dev vzbr_dmz proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 0 fe80::/64 dev eth1 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 0 fe80::/64 dev venet0 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 0 fe80::/64 dev veth115.0 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 0 fe80::/64 dev veth114.0 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 0 fe80::/64 dev veth111.0 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 0 fe80::/64 dev veth112.0 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 0 fe80::/64 dev veth113.0 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 0 fe80::/64 dev veth103.0 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 0 fe80::/64 dev veth102.0 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 0 default via :::3::1 dev vzbr_lan metric 1024 mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 0 default via fe80::204:76ff:fe21:8122 dev vzbr_lan proto kernel metric 1024 expires 22sec mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 64 thanks, P. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/f8bdc1bb-b1a5-413a-bd80-d50cd0f2b...@onemanifest.net
Re: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?
Hi,
Nicolas George:
> I have read that some windows install images are available gratis.
Before i do that i dismantle my new computer.
But there are enough old Linux ISOs in my regression test vault.
> Trying
> one (without actually installing) would be a good way of proving that the LG
> support is spreading nonsense.
Currently i believe the statement that it is not an intentional
feature of the whole series.
The answer (in german language) was qualified and detailed.
It matches my own opinion at the time i started this thread.
I.e. something like an obtrusive automounter would be to blame.
This does not outrule that the individual drive is mad.
I had funny incidents with libburn users and with own drives.
E.g. i can make my Optiarc BD-5300S deformat BD-RE media just
by showing it a CD-RW. It stays in this mood until i give its
USB box a power-off.
> > mount: unknown filesystem type 'efivarfs'
> Assuming the system actually has a UEFI firmware, that means your system is
> booted in BIOS compatibility ("lecacy") mode rather than with a UEFI
> bootloader.
Ahum.
I did not do the fundamental netinstall myself but rather
got it debianized from my hardware provider.
Mainboard https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P9D_WS/
features "New UEFI BIOS".
The system disk has an MBR partition table. No partition of
type 0xef to see. /boot is sda2 of type 0x83 "Linux".
/boot/EFI is sda1, 0x06 "FAT16", 953 MB, totally empty.
So yes, my system does not boot via UEFI.
Might be that the "New UEFI BIOS" is bored by running in
legacy mode.
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
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Re: Boot Error on new PowerPC Mac Mini Installation
On 24/07/15 12:24 PM, Nathaniel Nelson wrote: Hello! I hope this is the proper way to seek Debian support, and that I'm not making a mistake/emailing the wrong list/whatever. I've never used Debian before, and I'm trying to install it on an old Mac Mini with a PowerPC G4 processor. I downloaded the PowerPC iso file (debian-8.1.0-powerpc-netinst.iso) and burned it to an empty CD. I was able to successfully navigate the installation process. A couple points of interest: * I chose to use the entire available hard drive space and set up LVM (unencrypted). So I wiped Mac OS and all my old files from the computer. * I chose to use a single partition (the recommended/default choice) and after writing partition changes to the hard drive I received a warning that Yaboot would need its own partition. It asked if I wanted to return to the menu, so I did, assuming I would be able to make this change after reversing the changes (as there was a menu option to do so). However the "reverse changes" button seemed to do nothing, and I couldn't return to an earlier step to specify different partition settings, so I simply continued and wrote the changes again. (Probably should have read the manual before starting... sorry) I'm not sure what size the HD is but I'm assuming it's small by today's standards. Fortunately yaboot doesn't seem to need much space. From a google search I came up with: #type name length base ( size ) system /dev/sda1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63 @ 1 ( 31.5k) Partition map /dev/sda2 Apple_Bootstrap bootstrap 1600 @ 64 (800.0k) NewWorld bootblock /dev/sda3 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 myLinux 85852160 @ 1664 ( 40.9G) Linux native /dev/sda4 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 swap 8000820 @ 202238668 ( 3.8G) Linux swap * At the end I was prompted to choose a partition for installing Yaboot. Although I had chosen to create only one partition, it offered me two choices: sda2 and sba1 (IIRC). Not knowing the difference I chose sda2, the first one from the list, and installation completed and the computer began to boot in Debian. The yaboot boot log displays, with a notable error flashing by that I paraphrase here: [FAILED] Failed to load Linux Kernel Modules Probably couldn't install past yaboot due to insufficient space. It looks like Apple uses a partition (sda1) for its partition map, so sda2 should only be large enough to hold yaboot and you should install to sda3. Swap partitions are optional. You can always create a swap file later instead of a partition. This is easier to resize than a swap partition. No other failures appear in the log. After everything finishes and the screen goes black, instead of a login screen, I get this message fullscreen: "Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again." First I assumed this was due to a mistake when I chose to install Yaboot in sda2, so I ran a full installation again from the CD. Everything went the same, however there was no prompt to choose a partition and pick sba1 instead. And after the install finished, I got the same error message. Googling, I read that I could open a terminal from this error window with Ctrl+Alt+F1. This works, and then I read that I should log in as root and run the command startx. And that the error should be fixed by installing x-window-system if the startx command isn't found. However, the startx command *is* found, xorg is already installed, and when it runs, this again triggers the fullscreen "Oh no!" warning. I read that the installer isn't meant to install on top of another full installation, and that most problems such as this can be fixed without a full reinstall, so I haven't made a third attempt at reinstallation. What else could potentially be the issue here? The potential issue is that the system could have conflicting settings. If you have separate / and /home partitions, you can always reformat / and keep your current /home. With smaller drives however you can run out of space in one or the other fairly easily. My advice is not to worry about it. If your drive is only 50G or so, don't use a separate /home partition. If you've got 100G or more, then create a / with about 20G - 30G and leave the rest for /home. Thanks for any help. I can also supply more logs if you direct me to which ones might be helpful. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55b3a283.60...@torfree.net
RE: Can't Configure Mirror (was: Can't Get Back To Graphical Install)
Wait, it seems to be working... From: Rasku, Stephen (Wurldtech) Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 7:41 AM To: Lisi Reisz; debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: RE: Can't Configure Mirror (was: Can't Get Back To Graphical Install) OK, I've restarted the install using the text install and it doesn't seem to be recognizing valid mirrors. I selected mirror.it.ubc.ca and it didn't work. From the log I can see it's trying to wget https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mirror.it.ubc.ca_debian_dists_jessie_Release&d=AwIFAg&c=IV_clAzoPDE253xZdHuilRgztyh_RiV3wUrLrDQYWSI&r=Zm722iRdbiS1TsBSEAsRkw7RURvZVMQDevKLlZVr5mA&m=0U-hAgAPV9sML2C_8rbf8gm1rUvOw7W1J4Il8GsLd5Y&s=OcMNp7M4JPyJMqqWXTo6oI5RVYugXgGVrHadpnqTnUE&e= . I can get to this page using the host's browser so I don't know why it's invalid. I was wondering if it was some sort of VirtualBox networking issue but I don't see any network errors in /var/log/syslog. ...Stephen From: Lisi Reisz [lisi.re...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 7:02 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Can't Get Back To Graphical Install On Saturday 25 July 2015 14:24:03 Rasku, Stephen (Wurldtech) wrote: > I want to setup a development environment with X. > Could I set this up from the text install? Yes. How you install is just how you install. It doesn't affect what you choose to install. I always use the text install to install X. I dislike the graphical install. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.debian.org_201507251502.25594.lisi.reisz-40gmail.com&d=AwIFAw&c=IV_clAzoPDE253xZdHuilRgztyh_RiV3wUrLrDQYWSI&r=Zm722iRdbiS1TsBSEAsRkw7RURvZVMQDevKLlZVr5mA&m=UVQ_7qNYuIIAVlRwTTvztevmxp4NdGVjfMyhgKAV0Vg&s=b-Ckp0Scgt-RkLREqyISmF1oVuGYoOMN6jvt81Jomos&e= -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.debian.org_4708A38C2E07B1448A2A864DB58DAEF4CB08C3-40ALPURAPA29.e2k.ad.ge.com&d=AwIFAg&c=IV_clAzoPDE253xZdHuilRgztyh_RiV3wUrLrDQYWSI&r=Zm722iRdbiS1TsBSEAsRkw7RURvZVMQDevKLlZVr5mA&m=0U-hAgAPV9sML2C_8rbf8gm1rUvOw7W1J4Il8GsLd5Y&s=LJolLPGFihpFKghdv0UZccsrl6B3v6SwHuCbaKUrGMc&e= -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4708a38c2e07b1448a2a864db58daef4cb0...@alpurapa29.e2k.ad.ge.com
RE: Can't Configure Mirror (was: Can't Get Back To Graphical Install)
OK, I've restarted the install using the text install and it doesn't seem to be recognizing valid mirrors. I selected mirror.it.ubc.ca and it didn't work. From the log I can see it's trying to wget http://mirror.it.ubc.ca/debian/dists/jessie/Release. I can get to this page using the host's browser so I don't know why it's invalid. I was wondering if it was some sort of VirtualBox networking issue but I don't see any network errors in /var/log/syslog. ...Stephen From: Lisi Reisz [lisi.re...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 7:02 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Can't Get Back To Graphical Install On Saturday 25 July 2015 14:24:03 Rasku, Stephen (Wurldtech) wrote: > I want to setup a development environment with X. > Could I set this up from the text install? Yes. How you install is just how you install. It doesn't affect what you choose to install. I always use the text install to install X. I dislike the graphical install. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.debian.org_201507251502.25594.lisi.reisz-40gmail.com&d=AwIFAw&c=IV_clAzoPDE253xZdHuilRgztyh_RiV3wUrLrDQYWSI&r=Zm722iRdbiS1TsBSEAsRkw7RURvZVMQDevKLlZVr5mA&m=UVQ_7qNYuIIAVlRwTTvztevmxp4NdGVjfMyhgKAV0Vg&s=b-Ckp0Scgt-RkLREqyISmF1oVuGYoOMN6jvt81Jomos&e= -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4708a38c2e07b1448a2a864db58daef4cb0...@alpurapa29.e2k.ad.ge.com
Re: Can't Get Back To Graphical Install
On Saturday 25 July 2015 14:24:03 Rasku, Stephen (Wurldtech) wrote: > I want to setup a development environment with X. > Could I set this up from the text install? Yes. How you install is just how you install. It doesn't affect what you choose to install. I always use the text install to install X. I dislike the graphical install. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201507251502.25594.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Dell Optiplex Chassis Sound with Pulseaudio
Dear Users! I've installed Pulseaudio in Jessie x64 and I'd like to use my PC internal chassis speaker. Now anything I choose in Pavucontrol and Pulseadio Sound-settings the music/sound always silent - and nothing muted. Please help me! Thanks!
Re: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?
Le septidi 7 thermidor, an CCXXIII, Thomas Schmitt a écrit :
> I will also try a non-Debian rescue system for BIOS.
I have read that some windows install images are available gratis. Trying
one (without actually installing) would be a good way of proving that the LG
support is spreading nonsense.
> At Linux runtime there seems to be few opportunity to
> access EFI. According to
> https://firmware.intel.com/blog/accessing-uefi-variables-linux
> and my kernel version 3.16.0-4-amd64, i should have the modern
> efivarfs. lsmod reports
> efivarfs 12902 0
> but there is no directory /sys/firmware/efi.
> If i do
>
> mkdir /mnt/efivars
> mount -t efivarfs none /mnt/efivars
>
> i get
>
> mount: unknown filesystem type 'efivarfs'
Assuming the system actually has a UEFI firmware, that means your system is
booted in BIOS compatibility ("lecacy") mode rather than with a UEFI
bootloader.
Regards,
--
Nicolas George
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Can't Get Back To Graphical Install
I am trying to install Debian 8 on a VirtualBox guest on a OS X host. It was complaining that there was something wrong with the mirror. It turns out the mirror I selected didn't support Debian 8. Now I want to get back to the graphical install to complete installation but I can't I've tried Host-F1 through Host-F12 and they are all text consoles. If I need to do Host-F5, I may be screwed. F5 is the VoiceOver activation key for OS X. Do I need to start over? I want to setup a development environment with X. Could I set this up from the text install? ...Stephen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4708a38c2e07b1448a2a864db58daef4cb0...@alpurapa29.e2k.ad.ge.com
Re: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?
Hi, i wrote: > > LG Germany answered quickly and stated that the drive is > > not known to show this behavior under MS-Windows. Lisi Reisz wrote: > Well, it was a nice idea while it lasted. And worth testing. Your theory is not totally ruled out yet. It is just hard to test because to surely distinguish it from the EFI theory i would have to put the drive into a BIOS computer and check whether the behavior changes. Currently i am not ready to shut down the machine. But when i do, i will make some experiments and maybe even break out the screw driver. (Being entirely softwerker this is not my usual habit.) Nicolas George wrote: > You could test if the observed behaviour happens when the computer is on the > UEFI boot menu or the GRUB menu. That will be the first stage of testing, yes. If it is an EFI runtime feature it might be not present before GRUB2 starts. I will also try a non-Debian rescue system for BIOS. Any constellation were the drive tray stays out will free LG drive firmware from suspicion. At Linux runtime there seems to be few opportunity to access EFI. According to https://firmware.intel.com/blog/accessing-uefi-variables-linux and my kernel version 3.16.0-4-amd64, i should have the modern efivarfs. lsmod reports efivarfs 12902 0 but there is no directory /sys/firmware/efi. If i do mkdir /mnt/efivars mount -t efivarfs none /mnt/efivars i get mount: unknown filesystem type 'efivarfs' Have a nice day :) Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/3198131709290...@scdbackup.webframe.org
Re: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?
Le septidi 7 thermidor, an CCXXIII, Thomas Schmitt a écrit : > LG Germany answered quickly and stated that the drive is > not known to show this behavior under MS-Windows. > (Linux is not on their compatibility list, they say.) You could test if the observed behaviour happens when the computer is on the UEFI boot menu or the GRUB menu. Regards, -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?
On Saturday 25 July 2015 12:44:47 Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > LG Germany answered quickly and stated that the drive is > not known to show this behavior under MS-Windows. > (Linux is not on their compatibility list, they say.) :-( Well, it was a nice idea while it lasted. And worth testing. I'd swear that sometimes gremlins get into our computers. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201507251256.56780.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?
Hi, LG Germany answered quickly and stated that the drive is not known to show this behavior under MS-Windows. (Linux is not on their compatibility list, they say.) Have a nice day :) Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/19720555113875147...@scdbackup.webframe.org
Re: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?
Hi, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Yes, I rather wondered whether it was the drive itself. Currently your theory has good chances to be true. Only the theory about EFI looks like a valid competitor. Have a nice day :) Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/19932555114012280...@scdbackup.webframe.org
Re: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?
Hi, The Wanderer wrote: > * The BIOS, or (more likely in a modern system) UEFI. Good point. I forgot that my new machine possibly runs two OSes simultaneously: EFI and Linux. But my experience with UEFI is restricted to creating the entry points in bootable ISOs. (The circumstances of my migration to the new machine prevented any playing with its boot OS. The old one died one week before the new one arrived.) > * The firmware on the optical drive itself. I now contacted the manufacturer LG. > Neither is likely to be nearly as accessible, Any proposals how to inspect remaining activities of EFI after the Linux kernel is up ? Have a nice day :) Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/19948555112634583...@scdbackup.webframe.org
Re: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?
On Saturday 25 July 2015 12:07:29 The Wanderer wrote: > * The firmware on the optical drive itself. Yes, I rather wondered whether it was the drive itself. https://lists.debian.org/201507241208.16237.lisi.re...@gmail.com Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201507251222.34749.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?
On 07/25/2015 at 07:06 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > i stumbled over btrace(8) which lists the SCSI commands by > blktrace, blkparse, and /sys/kernel/debug. > > The only traffic is every 2 seconds a 0x4A GET EVENT STATUS > NOTIFICATION command in "Polled" operational mode, and > notification class request "Media". I did not find out yet > how to get to view the drive's replies. > In summary there seems to be really no initiator in > the operating system for the tray movements. > Very astonishing. As far as I can see, this leaves two possible places to look: * The BIOS, or (more likely in a modern system) UEFI. * The firmware on the optical drive itself. Neither is likely to be nearly as accessible, on this level, as the OS or its userspace, but I can't see where else you could look at this point. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?
Hi, i stumbled over btrace(8) which lists the SCSI commands by blktrace, blkparse, and /sys/kernel/debug. The only traffic is every 2 seconds a 0x4A GET EVENT STATUS NOTIFICATION command in "Polled" operational mode, and notification class request "Media". I did not find out yet how to get to view the drive's replies. 11,102 2.047952134 0 C R (4a 01 00 00 10 00 00 00 08 00 ..) [0] 11,114 2.047580736 19046 G N [kworker/1:3] 11,115 2.047582462 19046 I R 8 (4a 01 00 00 10 00 00 00 08 00 ..) [kworker/1:3] 11,116 2.047582648 19046 D R 8 (4a 01 00 00 10 00 00 00 08 00 ..) [kworker/1:3] (I wonder why C with the older timestamp is listed before G, I, and D.) The other drives get the same treatment. I tested that e.g. xorriso's SCSI commands are reported. So either the drive really pulls in the tray on its own, or it is annoyed by a hundred 0x4A commands and finally wants to give the caller an answer. https://lwn.net/Articles/423619/ and Michael Biebl's previous proposal brought me to # cat /sys/block/sr1/events_poll_msecs 2000 # echo 0 >/sys/block/sr1/events_poll_msecs # cat /sys/block/sr1/events_poll_msecs 0 This silences the 0x4A commands. But the drive tray still gets pulled in. Shortly after, btrace reports 11,110 0.0 0 m N cfq20698S / put_queue A second experiment pulled in the tray without any btrace message. In summary there seems to be really no initiator in the operating system for the tray movements. Very astonishing. Have a nice day :) Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/95010799137...@scdbackup.webframe.org
Re: cups/cups-browsed: only advertise online network printers
On Fri 24 Jul 2015 at 15:16:32 +0200, Tuxo Holic wrote: > I' have a HP LaserJet 1020 USB - plugged to my server running > debian/stable with cups, the clients connect to it using cups-browsed > and the cups network protocol. > The server does *not* run 24/7 nor does my printer: I usually switch > on the LaserJet as soon as I need it and disable it once I'm done. > Cups does ignore the fact it is not running: it will advertise the > printer, clients can see it and start printing jobs already. Once the > printer comes online, the waiting jobs will be processed all at once. > Some people might prefer this approach, I'd prefer network printers to > be invisible on the client side, as long as they are not online. The > main reason is: this can confuse people and lead to additional > printing jobs until they realize their mistake of not switching on the > device. > Is it possible to limit job handling to *online* printers only on the > client or on the server side? Please stop cups-browsed on the client and post the output of 'lpstat -t'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150725103053.ga...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
