random sig 11 in 4.0.2
Greetings! :) [Sent to debian-x because I do not know the proper package against which to submit a bug report. Branden, please advise for general X bug reports.] This is the second sig11 I have seen lately. I have also seen cut'n'paste fail miserably for the last few days. (Well, the cut seems fine, but the paste is often noise, sometimes text from elsewhere on screen, and often one of my rxvt-xpm terminals dies during the 'paste' operation.) I do not know if the cut'n'paste problem is related to the signal 11s. This sig11, I was running windowmaker, xmms, wmxmms, wmbiff, about ten rxvt-xpm terminals (most running bash, one mutt, probably a few vims) konqueror, and xscreensaver. The xscreensaver was running a screen hack, though I did not notice which one. :( xmms was stopped but still open. I was not interacting with my computer myself, though it does do stuff on its own once in a while in typical unix fashion. :) I am running Linux kernel: Linux amidala 2.4.2 #2 SMP Tue Mar 20 20:34:01 PST 2001 i686 unknown I built it myself from kernel.org sources, gpg verified etc. The video card is a matrox g400max running with only a single monitor attached. Does anyone know what other information would be useful in tracking down this crash? (I've found that I can also reliably cause an X crash through BitKeeper's 'citool' application, though I haven't put any effort into figuring out a simpler test case than my whole source tree + BitKeeper. Are these two related?) The machine has otherwise been very stable -- it is only in the last few days (two weeks at most, probably only one week) that I have had these problems. I try to keep fairly up-to-date with debian unstable. Thanks all. :) [Branden, also note that I would find the XFree86.?.log file more useful if it date-time stamped once in a while similar to crontab's --mark-- facility -- consider asking the good people at xf86 to add such a feature to help debugging. If the 1000 lines of mode changes happened when I loaded X, fine. If one line was printed for each desktop switch I do (with windowmaker's ^+alt+left|right hot keys), fine. If the 1000 lines were printed in the second before horrible death, it sure would be nice to know. :] -- Earthlink: The #1 provider of unsolicited bulk email to the Internet. XFree86 Version 4.0.2 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6400) Release Date: 18 December 2000 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux 2.2.18 i686 [ELF] Module Loader present (==) Log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log, Time: Thu Mar 22 18:49:07 2001 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (??) unknown. (==) ServerLayout Single (**) |--Screen Screen0 (0) (**) | |--Monitor Mitsubishi (**) | |--Device G400_0 (**) |--Input Device Mouse0 (**) |--Input Device Keyboard0 (WW) The directory /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/PEX/ does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (**) FontPath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/freefont/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:noscale,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/:noscale (==) RgbPath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb (==) ModulePath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules (--) using VT number 7 (WW) Cannot open APM (II) Module ABI versions: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.1 XFree86 Video Driver: 0.3 XFree86 XInput driver : 0.1 XFree86 Server Extension : 0.1 XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.2 (II) Loader running on linux (II) LoadModule: bitmap (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Module bitmap: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.2 (II) Loading font Bitmap (II) LoadModule: pcidata (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.3 (II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1 (II) PCI: Config type is 1 (II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x, mode1Res1 = 0x8000 (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 8086,7190 card , rev 03 class 06,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 8086,7191 card , rev 03 class 06,04,00 hdr 01 (II) PCI: 00:07:0: chip 8086,7110 card , rev 02 class 06,01,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:07:1: chip 8086,7111 card , rev 01 class 01,01,80 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:07:2: chip 8086,7112 card , rev 01 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:07:3: chip 8086,7113 card , rev 02 class
random sig 11 in 4.0.2
Greetings! :) [Sent to debian-x because I do not know the proper package against which to submit a bug report. Branden, please advise for general X bug reports.] This is the second sig11 I have seen lately. I have also seen cut'n'paste fail miserably for the last few days. (Well, the cut seems fine, but the paste is often noise, sometimes text from elsewhere on screen, and often one of my rxvt-xpm terminals dies during the 'paste' operation.) I do not know if the cut'n'paste problem is related to the signal 11s. This sig11, I was running windowmaker, xmms, wmxmms, wmbiff, about ten rxvt-xpm terminals (most running bash, one mutt, probably a few vims) konqueror, and xscreensaver. The xscreensaver was running a screen hack, though I did not notice which one. :( xmms was stopped but still open. I was not interacting with my computer myself, though it does do stuff on its own once in a while in typical unix fashion. :) I am running Linux kernel: Linux amidala 2.4.2 #2 SMP Tue Mar 20 20:34:01 PST 2001 i686 unknown I built it myself from kernel.org sources, gpg verified etc. The video card is a matrox g400max running with only a single monitor attached. Does anyone know what other information would be useful in tracking down this crash? (I've found that I can also reliably cause an X crash through BitKeeper's 'citool' application, though I haven't put any effort into figuring out a simpler test case than my whole source tree + BitKeeper. Are these two related?) The machine has otherwise been very stable -- it is only in the last few days (two weeks at most, probably only one week) that I have had these problems. I try to keep fairly up-to-date with debian unstable. Thanks all. :) [Branden, also note that I would find the XFree86.?.log file more useful if it date-time stamped once in a while similar to crontab's --mark-- facility -- consider asking the good people at xf86 to add such a feature to help debugging. If the 1000 lines of mode changes happened when I loaded X, fine. If one line was printed for each desktop switch I do (with windowmaker's ^+alt+left|right hot keys), fine. If the 1000 lines were printed in the second before horrible death, it sure would be nice to know. :] -- Earthlink: The #1 provider of unsolicited bulk email to the Internet. XFree86 Version 4.0.2 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6400) Release Date: 18 December 2000 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux 2.2.18 i686 [ELF] Module Loader present (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Thu Mar 22 18:49:07 2001 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (??) unknown. (==) ServerLayout "Single" (**) |--Screen "Screen0" (0) (**) | |--Monitor "Mitsubishi" (**) | |--Device "G400_0" (**) |--Input Device "Mouse0" (**) |--Input Device "Keyboard0" (WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/PEX/" does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (**) FontPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/freefont/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:noscale,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/:noscale" (==) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" (--) using VT number 7 (WW) Cannot open APM (II) Module ABI versions: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.1 XFree86 Video Driver: 0.3 XFree86 XInput driver : 0.1 XFree86 Server Extension : 0.1 XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.2 (II) Loader running on linux (II) LoadModule: "bitmap" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.2 (II) Loading font Bitmap (II) LoadModule: "pcidata" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.3 (II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1 (II) PCI: Config type is 1 (II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x, mode1Res1 = 0x8000 (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 8086,7190 card , rev 03 class 06,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 8086,7191 card , rev 03 class 06,04,00 hdr 01 (II) PCI: 00:07:0: chip 8086,7110 card , rev 02 class 06,01,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:07:1: chip 8086,7111 card , rev 01 class 01,01,80 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:07:2: chip 8086,7112 card , rev 01 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:07:3: chip 8086,7113
developer's libs missing?
Greetings folks! [Apologies for not returning after winter break; my senior project is taking too much of time.] I am trying to compile plex86 on my Debian unstable system with XFree86 4.0.2-7, kernel 2.4.2 SMP (on dual celerons), glibc 2.2.2-1. I get an error message saying it cannot find libX11 [1]. I asked on the plex86 list if I was missing an obvious library since I thought I had all the right packages installed. I think the xlibs-dev package is missing some required header files: specifically, libX11.h. $ dpkg -L xlibs-dev | grep -i libx11 /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.a /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so Shouldn't there be some header files included with this package? If I missed a package, could someone swing the clue-bat this direction and help me out? Thanks. :) [1]: $ make make -C user CC="gcc" CFLAGS="-g -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes" LDFLAGS="" make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/plex86/user' make -C plugins make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/plex86/user/plugins' make -C bochs make[3]: Entering directory `/tmp/plex86/user/plugins/bochs' c++ -shared -o plugin-bochs.so io.o pc_system.o state_file.o \ iodev/libiodev.a gui/libgui.a \ -lX11 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[3]: *** [plugin-bochs.so] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/plex86/user/plugins/bochs' make[2]: *** [all] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/plex86/user/plugins' make[1]: *** [ALL] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/plex86/user' make: *** [all] Error 2 -- Earthlink: The #1 provider of unsolicited bulk email to the Internet. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
developer's libs missing?
Greetings folks! [Apologies for not returning after winter break; my senior project is taking too much of time.] I am trying to compile plex86 on my Debian unstable system with XFree86 4.0.2-7, kernel 2.4.2 SMP (on dual celerons), glibc 2.2.2-1. I get an error message saying it cannot find libX11 [1]. I asked on the plex86 list if I was missing an obvious library since I thought I had all the right packages installed. I think the xlibs-dev package is missing some required header files: specifically, libX11.h. $ dpkg -L xlibs-dev | grep -i libx11 /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.a /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so Shouldn't there be some header files included with this package? If I missed a package, could someone swing the clue-bat this direction and help me out? Thanks. :) [1]: $ make make -C user CC=gcc CFLAGS=-g -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes LDFLAGS= make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/plex86/user' make -C plugins make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/plex86/user/plugins' make -C bochs make[3]: Entering directory `/tmp/plex86/user/plugins/bochs' c++ -shared -o plugin-bochs.so io.o pc_system.o state_file.o \ iodev/libiodev.a gui/libgui.a \ -lX11 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[3]: *** [plugin-bochs.so] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/plex86/user/plugins/bochs' make[2]: *** [all] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/plex86/user/plugins' make[1]: *** [ALL] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/plex86/user' make: *** [all] Error 2 -- Earthlink: The #1 provider of unsolicited bulk email to the Internet.
winter break
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winter break
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[OT] X on m68k
* Christian T. Steigies [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001214 03:23]: We don't _need_ to compile it on m68k, since it does not even work yet. But I still have some hope that one or more of the zillions of m68k users step forward to pick up the pieces and make X work (btw no reply yet from the X guy, Michael). Hmm. That just reminded me. One of my calculators has an m68k chip. I want it to run X. :) Heheh. -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [mongoose@users.sourceforge.net: X upgrade policy]
* Marcelo E. Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001213 00:21]: But the question still remains: why should a user put packages on hold before an upgrade? He's got a working configuration, and AFAICS it's possible to keep it. Using the -u flag with apt would have saved him as much as using = in dselect. -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jstevens@eng.mcd.mot.com: Xfree broken]
John, I am going to guess at what you are trying to say; cutting and
pasting error messages, complete with examples of what you are trying to
execture (say, how script(1) would perform) would help immensely,
particularly with this description.
There, that said, my guess says you are trying to run clients connecting
to X using standard TCP sockets. /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc has a bit
-nolisten tcp that turns off listening to tcp sockets. This is a Good
Thing.
If you cannot use ssh(1) to forward your X connections, you could remove
the -nolisten tcp, but be aware that you will be much less secure in the
process. Consider, and reconsider, using ssh(1) for that. (Check the
debian-x archives for the last day or so for an email from me regarding
something very similar. A hint: Debian has turned off the automatic ssh
X forwarding for security reasons, but as long as you trust both hosts,
there is nothing to worry about.)
HTH
* Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001213 02:10]:
- Forwarded message from John Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
From: John Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Xfree broken
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:51:33 -0800
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Branden:
Sorry to bother you so soon after my last question, but here goes:
cant connect user not authorized
other hosts cannot send clients. Xterm from a previously happy system
can no
longer send anything.
My dependance on X has become obvious, nothing else works.
If you have time, thanks
- End forwarded message -
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Re: [jstevens@eng.mcd.mot.com: Xfree broken]
[Error messages from John] [Branden -- will the Xwrapper.config 'console' or 'root' option prevent client connections from other hosts? Or does this effect only who can run X locally, as I hope it does? :] Bummer about not being able to use ssh. (Though I am surprised the firewall would let X connections work, but not ssh! If I had to firewall only one, I would have chosen differently. :) I also fear I wasn't clear in my previous email -- remove the whole '-nolisten tcp' bit, including the 'tcp'. You will either need to figure out how the MIT magic cookies work, or use the xhost +host options (or xauth, which I think is the magic cookies) to enable the connections from elsewhere. HTH. :) * John K. Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001213 10:08]: Seth : Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server Application initialization failed: couldn't connect to display ":0.0" - and - Can't open display "blah:0.0" Sorry for the lack of error messages, just too much in a hurry. I DID remove -nolisten from /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc, it now reads: exec X -dpi 100 tcp I have clients that cannot use ssh on this network. I am behind a firewall. and still no connect... Oh, well. Thanks for your time. -- -- John K. Stevenson, Motorola Tempe. (602) 438-3961 (FAX 602-438-6140) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tempe. AZ Pager: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 800-759- pin 1738917 -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jstevens@eng.mcd.mot.com: Xfree broken]
John, I *think* xhost needs to be used more like: xhost +blah -- no space. ObQuestion: Have you restarted X since removing the -nolisten tcp bit? :) * John K. Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001213 14:43]: Seth: Oops, I am unclear again: I did use "xhost + blah", and it still refuses. Also removed '-nolisten tcp'. I am rsh'ing from an old AIX box, do I need to add an ssh client to it? I don't really have access to the box aside from my few clients. The systems that are interacting are all on the same side as the Firewall. Having 'tcp' on /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc line seemed to cause no problem. Alas, it still is offline. I'm sure it will be some small configuration problem. It might be an imcompatability of R4 or something. Once this is working I will look into MIT Magic X cookies. Thanks again. Arnold wrote: [Error messages from John] [Branden -- will the Xwrapper.config 'console' or 'root' option prevent client connections from other hosts? Or does this effect only who can run X locally, as I hope it does? :] Bummer about not being able to use ssh. (Though I am surprised the firewall would let X connections work, but not ssh! If I had to firewall only one, I would have chosen differently. :) I also fear I wasn't clear in my previous email -- remove the whole '-nolisten tcp' bit, including the 'tcp'. You will either need to figure out how the MIT magic cookies work, or use the xhost +host options (or xauth, which I think is the magic cookies) to enable the connections from elsewhere. HTH. :) * John K. Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001213 10:08]: Seth : Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server Application initialization failed: couldn't connect to display ":0.0" - and - Can't open display "blah:0.0" Sorry for the lack of error messages, just too much in a hurry. I DID remove -nolisten from /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc, it now reads: exec X -dpi 100 tcp I have clients that cannot use ssh on this network. I am behind a firewall. and still no connect... Oh, well. Thanks for your time. -- -- John K. Stevenson, Motorola Tempe. (602) 438-3961 (FAX 602-438-6140) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tempe. AZ Pager: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 800-759- pin 1738917 -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- -- John K. Stevenson, Motorola Tempe. (602) 438-3961 (FAX 602-438-6140) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tempe. AZ Pager: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 800-759- pin 1738917 -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dwarf@polaris.net: Problem with X after upgrade to potato]
[No need to mail Branden directly; debian-user or debian-x are probably the better forums anyway.] * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001213 20:46]: - Forwarded message from Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] - When working in X, I am often switching back to a console VC, and then returning back to the X VC when done at the console. After the upgrade, often, but not always, switching back to the X server's VC will cause the server to restart. It doesn't always happen, but it happens often enough to make doing honest work very difficult. (restarting mozilla is a real yawn) Dale, I had this same problem myself, with pre-release versions of Branden's .debs. (The -phase1 and -phase2 releases.) I wrote a message off to matrox, they wrote back some obvious things, but nothing helped. Sadly, I don't recall if the problem went away when I upgraded the matrox-supplied mga_drv.o driver, or at some point when Branden updated the CVS he was tracking. :( It might not hurt to comment out the GLX/DRI stuff in your XF86Config-4 file, if you don't need them. It isn't perfect. :) HTH -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
* Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001213 22:43]: Let me know if this works out, and I will babysit XFree86 builds for m68k myself, using the recently-donated G3. Well, I wasn't thinking of emulating one of those old machines -- I was thinking of setting up gcc to know about the processor on one machine while compiling on another. You know, using the -b flag? -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [mongoose@users.sourceforge.net: X upgrade policy]
* Marcelo E. Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001213 00:21]: But the question still remains: why should a user put packages on hold before an upgrade? He's got a working configuration, and AFAICS it's possible to keep it. Using the -u flag with apt would have saved him as much as using = in dselect. -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [jstevens@eng.mcd.mot.com: Xfree broken]
John, I am going to guess at what you are trying to say; cutting and
pasting error messages, complete with examples of what you are trying to
execture (say, how script(1) would perform) would help immensely,
particularly with this description.
There, that said, my guess says you are trying to run clients connecting
to X using standard TCP sockets. /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc has a bit
-nolisten tcp that turns off listening to tcp sockets. This is a Good
Thing.
If you cannot use ssh(1) to forward your X connections, you could remove
the -nolisten tcp, but be aware that you will be much less secure in the
process. Consider, and reconsider, using ssh(1) for that. (Check the
debian-x archives for the last day or so for an email from me regarding
something very similar. A hint: Debian has turned off the automatic ssh
X forwarding for security reasons, but as long as you trust both hosts,
there is nothing to worry about.)
HTH
* Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001213 02:10]:
- Forwarded message from John Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
From: John Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Xfree broken
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:51:33 -0800
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U)
X-Accept-Language: en
Branden:
Sorry to bother you so soon after my last question, but here goes:
cant connect user not authorized
other hosts cannot send clients. Xterm from a previously happy system
can no
longer send anything.
My dependance on X has become obvious, nothing else works.
If you have time, thanks
- End forwarded message -
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Re: [jstevens@eng.mcd.mot.com: Xfree broken]
[Error messages from John] [Branden -- will the Xwrapper.config 'console' or 'root' option prevent client connections from other hosts? Or does this effect only who can run X locally, as I hope it does? :] Bummer about not being able to use ssh. (Though I am surprised the firewall would let X connections work, but not ssh! If I had to firewall only one, I would have chosen differently. :) I also fear I wasn't clear in my previous email -- remove the whole '-nolisten tcp' bit, including the 'tcp'. You will either need to figure out how the MIT magic cookies work, or use the xhost +host options (or xauth, which I think is the magic cookies) to enable the connections from elsewhere. HTH. :) * John K. Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001213 10:08]: Seth : Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server Application initialization failed: couldn't connect to display :0.0 - and - Can't open display blah:0.0 Sorry for the lack of error messages, just too much in a hurry. I DID remove -nolisten from /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc, it now reads: exec X -dpi 100 tcp I have clients that cannot use ssh on this network. I am behind a firewall. and still no connect... Oh, well. Thanks for your time. -- -- John K. Stevenson, Motorola Tempe. (602) 438-3961 (FAX 602-438-6140) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tempe. AZ Pager: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 800-759- pin 1738917 -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: How do I get the TCP port back?
* Norbert Veber [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001213 13:28]: I while back during one of my upgrades, I read something about a new default -- X no longer listens on port 6000 for connections. I didnt pay much attention at the time, but now it turns out that I need to have remote X clients connecting to my machine, and I cant figure out how to turn this back on! :) tastelessNorbert; is working at certicom really like working for a pointy-haired-boss, sadistic HR, etc?/tasteless apologeticI'm sorry; I had too./apologetic You have two options. The best option is to use ssh(1)'s X tunnelling feature. It isn't turned on by default with the debain ssh packages, but if you trust both hosts, it is safe to turn on. (If you don't trust both hosts, don't turn it on. :) If, sadly, you can't use ssh's nifty features, then removing '-nolisten tcp' from /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc will do the job. -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [jstevens@eng.mcd.mot.com: Xfree broken]
John, I *think* xhost needs to be used more like: xhost +blah -- no space. ObQuestion: Have you restarted X since removing the -nolisten tcp bit? :) * John K. Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001213 14:43]: Seth: Oops, I am unclear again: I did use xhost + blah, and it still refuses. Also removed '-nolisten tcp'. I am rsh'ing from an old AIX box, do I need to add an ssh client to it? I don't really have access to the box aside from my few clients. The systems that are interacting are all on the same side as the Firewall. Having 'tcp' on /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc line seemed to cause no problem. Alas, it still is offline. I'm sure it will be some small configuration problem. It might be an imcompatability of R4 or something. Once this is working I will look into MIT Magic X cookies. Thanks again. Arnold wrote: [Error messages from John] [Branden -- will the Xwrapper.config 'console' or 'root' option prevent client connections from other hosts? Or does this effect only who can run X locally, as I hope it does? :] Bummer about not being able to use ssh. (Though I am surprised the firewall would let X connections work, but not ssh! If I had to firewall only one, I would have chosen differently. :) I also fear I wasn't clear in my previous email -- remove the whole '-nolisten tcp' bit, including the 'tcp'. You will either need to figure out how the MIT magic cookies work, or use the xhost +host options (or xauth, which I think is the magic cookies) to enable the connections from elsewhere. HTH. :) * John K. Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001213 10:08]: Seth : Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server Application initialization failed: couldn't connect to display :0.0 - and - Can't open display blah:0.0 Sorry for the lack of error messages, just too much in a hurry. I DID remove -nolisten from /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc, it now reads: exec X -dpi 100 tcp I have clients that cannot use ssh on this network. I am behind a firewall. and still no connect... Oh, well. Thanks for your time. -- -- John K. Stevenson, Motorola Tempe. (602) 438-3961 (FAX 602-438-6140) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tempe. AZ Pager: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 800-759- pin 1738917 -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- -- John K. Stevenson, Motorola Tempe. (602) 438-3961 (FAX 602-438-6140) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tempe. AZ Pager: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 800-759- pin 1738917 -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
* Christian T. Steigies [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001213 15:37]: Just for reference: Build needed 18:30:59 (so that Branden knows how long I need _at least_ to get a new MANIFEST). Could a cross-compile environment bring this down? Is there any *need* to compile these things on an m68k? I imagine those new g4s are a bit faster... :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [pooh@lava.cs.tu-berlin.de: Debian Package xserver-common_4.0.1-11]
Rene (sorry, no idea how to get the nifty ' atop the 'e'. :) -- I haven't got a clue what you mean. :) It isn't so obvious to me, nor likely obvious to anyone else, that the 3.3.6 X server is in the package labeled 4.0.1-11. :) Sometimes, it is the obvious things that need to be pointed out -- since it mightnot be obvious to anyone else. :) Chances are good you want the task-x-window-system package installed. HTH * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001213 20:03]: I can't really follow this one. - Forwarded message from Rene Tschirley [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Rene Tschirley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Debian Package xserver-common_4.0.1-11 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:46:17 +0100 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Dear Branden, I'm sorry to bother you, but I'm a little confused with the package xserver-common_4.0.1-11 which I recently installed to my computer. Obviously, it contains the Server XFree86-3.3.6 and not 4.0.1 as the package name suggested. That's a pity, because I just changed from a self-compiled XServer back to good old Debian packages, but as you can imagine, the old XServer won't accept my configuration and my video card. Is this a bug or a feature? ;-) Bye, René -- Dipl.-Inform. René Tschirley, http://cg.cs.tu-berlin.de/~pooh TU Berlin, Computer Graphics and Computer Assisted Medicine research group - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson| One man's theology is another man's Debian GNU/Linux | belly laugh. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Robert Heinlein http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [dwarf@polaris.net: Problem with X after upgrade to potato]
[No need to mail Branden directly; debian-user or debian-x are probably the better forums anyway.] * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001213 20:46]: - Forwarded message from Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] - When working in X, I am often switching back to a console VC, and then returning back to the X VC when done at the console. After the upgrade, often, but not always, switching back to the X server's VC will cause the server to restart. It doesn't always happen, but it happens often enough to make doing honest work very difficult. (restarting mozilla is a real yawn) Dale, I had this same problem myself, with pre-release versions of Branden's .debs. (The -phase1 and -phase2 releases.) I wrote a message off to matrox, they wrote back some obvious things, but nothing helped. Sadly, I don't recall if the problem went away when I upgraded the matrox-supplied mga_drv.o driver, or at some point when Branden updated the CVS he was tracking. :( It might not hurt to comment out the GLX/DRI stuff in your XF86Config-4 file, if you don't need them. It isn't perfect. :) HTH -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: Utah GLX
* Terry 'Mongoose' Hendrix II [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001212 00:14]: You're forcing people to give up performance, correctness, and hardware GL accelration altogether in some cases. Aha! We have found the root of the problem. :) Please reconsider this statement. Who forces you to do anything? Does Branden force you out of bed in the morning? Does Branden force you to use his 3.3.x packages? Does Branden force you to use his 4.0 packages? Does Branden force you to do *anything*? Who forces you out of bed in the morning? Who forces you to go to work each and every weekday in order to purchase video cards as nice as the g400? Who forces you to own a computer? Who forces you to use X at all? Or even the XFree86 implementation of X? Who forces you to use applications that require GL support? Who forces you to use applications that function properly under only one implementation of OpenGL?[1][2] No. No one forced you to do anything. The tools[3] exist to ensure your Utah-GLX setup is never touched. You chose not to use the tool. No one forced you to not use the tool. No one forced you to not know about the tool's existence, or to think the tool archaic. Let us go over this again: no one forced you to do anything. Upgrading the X packages is *entirely up to whoever owns the computer*. If you own your computer, then it is entirely up to you. No one forced you to do a blasted thing. No one forced you to upgrade X from 3.3.6 to 4.0.1. That is your decision, and your decision alone. (Don't you feel empowered now? :) Cheers. :) [1]: Yes, I crafted this sentence to disparage the applications. Consider it a different light or perspective on the problem, though I don't doubt that Utah-GLX might support certain operations better. [2]: Trademarks be damned. [3]: = in dselect. -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Utah GLX
[note: I've cut nothing from the body of Terry's original email, only interspersed my comments in his email.] * Terry 'Mongoose' Hendrix II [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001212 00:52]: Seth Arnold wrote: Please reconsider this statement. Who forces you to do anything? Does Branden force you out of bed in the morning? Does Branden force you to use his 3.3.x packages? Does Branden force you to use his 4.0 packages? Does Branden force you to do *anything*? So I shouldn't trust packages from debian X team? I should install everything from source, and I should read every line of code. I put *trust in them. I didn't think I would have to check for a widget install ( gtk ) to render my new agp card unusable for the next few days. Ok. I think I get where this is headed. Instead of running ``apt-get upgrade'', run ``apt-get -u upgrade''. It will show you what will be upgraded. It sounds as if you knew many months ago that 4.0.x would break support for your currently installed DRI, and it sounds as if you were taken completely off-guard by its installation when you tried to install a new widget set. Using -u with apt would prevent this from happening. (I don't know why it isn't the default, but hey, I don't mind the extra three characters. :) I expressed concern about cutting out utah users before, and until DRI matures I can't see how you can defend the decision to weed it out. The thing is, no one is weeding anything out. Users can still run 3.3.x. cheers, Terry Cheers :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Utah GLX
* Terry 'Mongoose' Hendrix II [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001212 01:32]: The thing is, no one is weeding anything out. Users can still run 3.3.x. You can't install 3.3.6-18 anymore, so I think it is cutting users out. Perhaps it is cutting out users who join the project with woody's original release. You don't fall into this category. You *can* install 3.3.6-11potato18 though, which is probably pretty damn close to the 3.3.6-18 you miss so much. Games like tribes 2 won't be running on DRI, what will you thin debian users will say to that? I never liked how debian maintainers assume certian packages that can no longer be obtianed exist on a users system. Eh? Hmm. Maybe you forgot a 'not' somewhere in this sentence. Could you please rephrase that, and more directly apply it to your case of not putting the 3.3.6 packages on hold? I'm going to have to reinstall X and all my X dep apps tomarrow, and I hate knowing even after expressing concern agian on the issue of utah - I've wasted 2 days fixing it, yet I'm going to have to manually alter my status database to lock out debian X anyway. Oh man, I remember when I had a slow internet connection. Thank god for ATT and their cable connections! :) Downloading the new X packages takes only a few minutes, and I imagine the old X packages would download just as quickly for me. All the best to you and your poor modem. :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh -- X11 forwarding with new server-xfree86
Lukas, I think there are several things going on at once. xhost allows individual hosts to connect to X -- by default, X doesn't listen to tcp sockets (the -nolisten tcp bit in one of the /etc/X11/ files) so remote hosts will not be able to connect, with or without xhost authorization. Also, ssh does the tunnelling for you -- if you manually set DISPLAY on the other machine, which may be done in a shell script someplace :), then you do not get the benefit of ssh's tunnelling. Also, I would hope ssh could dump the local end of the pipe to X through unix domain sockets, for the slight speed help -- but if it requires using tcp to talk to the local server (which wouldn't surprise me at all), then you need to remove the -nolisten tcp bit. The fact that it complains about not opening the 10.0.1.4:0.0 display says to me that the DISPLAY environment variable is set someplace. Note also that Debian ships ssh in such a fashion that X forwarding doens't take place automatically -- you must edit files in /etc/ssh/ to fix this. (This is to prevent problems mentioned on [EMAIL PROTECTED]) HTH * Lukas Ruf [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001212 13:45]: Dear all, I updated my woody box yesterday to the newest server for XFree86 4.0. Since then, I cannot remotely start any tools that have to connect to the X-Client. The error message _X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 Error: Can't open display: 10.0.1.4:0.0 [1]Exit 1communicator appears even I run xhost + or I explicitely allowed the X server to connect. Does anyone know where I can fix the problem? Thanks in advance for any help. Kind regards, Lukas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [mongoose@users.sourceforge.net: X upgrade policy]
* Marcelo E. Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001212 14:40]: DRI's implementation is orders of magnitude cleaner and it *is* a better option for some people (most of the people, probably), but brushing Utah as a thing "in the past" is, at best, cluelessness. If *you* had trouble setting up Utah drivers it doesn't mean that *everyone* will have them. Well, I am at least partially correct in the sense that Utah-GLX does not work with 4.0.1. It only works with versions of 3.3.x; a version most decidedly much older than 4.0.1. That is my definition of 'past' -- something that once upon a time worked, but does not work any longer. Under this definition, the transparent cryptographic filesystem is "in the past" -- it worked with Linux kernel 2.0, but not newer releases. It might have been very good, and served the needs of its users well. It still provides functionality that hasn't been supplied by other packages. But it too is in the past, because it requires an older version of software than most people want to run. It seems clear to me that Utah-GLX fits this definition nicely. (Otherwise, Terry wouldn't be pissed right now. :) Whether it is better or worse, I am not prepared to make this sort of value judgement. -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Xwrapper.config
Branden, could you change the error message (sorry, only root is allowed to run X) to state that the answer lies in Xwrapper.config, or dpkg-reconfigure correct package name here? Thanks :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[branden@deadbeast.net: [ernst_sonnleitner@freenet.de: xdm don't run his start script with german settings (LANG=de_DE)]]
Ernst, I *think* the end problem is, XF86 uses a different set of locale names than FSF's glibc uses. I don't know the answer. Branden and (ben?) have exchanged a few emails in debian-x about possible solutions/sources of the problem. The debian-x archives may be interesting reading. Until something is figured out (or someone reminds me of what the fix was, if there is a fix already :) I would suggest setting your locale information on a per-process basis. - Forwarded message from Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Envelope-to: sarnold@localhost Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:08:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:06:21 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:46:12 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: xdm don't run his start script with german settings (LANG=de_DE)] Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Branden Robinson) Resent-Message-ID: lHmhfC.A.u_.2qqN6@murphy Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] archive/latest/1991 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Bcc: - Forwarded message from Ernst Sonnleitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Ernst Sonnleitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: xdm don't run his start script with german settings (LANG=de_DE) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:33:28 +0100 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 10:31:48PM -0500 Organization: nobody is perfect Hello If I don't set locale xdm work well - login with user/password -my windowsmanager starts es@sonnleitner:~$ locale LANG=POSIX LC_CTYPE="POSIX" LC_NUMERIC="POSIX" LC_TIME="POSIX" LC_COLLATE="POSIX" LC_MONETARY="POSIX" LC_MESSAGES="POSIX" LC_PAPER="POSIX" LC_NAME="POSIX" LC_ADDRESS="POSIX" LC_TELEPHONE="POSIX" LC_MEASUREMENT="POSIX" LC_IDENTIFICATION="POSIX" - If I set my "locale" with /etc/language-de #!/bin/sh # $Id: language-de,v 1.4 1998/02/20 18:34:36 leutloff Exp $ # settings for german speaking users set LANG LANG=de_DE export LANG and activates it with /etc/X11/Xsession: if [ -f /etc/language-de ]; then source /etc/language-de; fi /etc/profile: if [ -f /etc/language-de ]; then source /etc/language-de; fi es@sonnleitner:~$ locale LANG=de_DE LC_CTYPE="de_DE" LC_NUMERIC="de_DE" LC_TIME="de_DE" LC_COLLATE="de_DE" LC_MONETARY="de_DE" LC_MESSAGES="de_DE" LC_PAPER="de_DE" LC_NAME="de_DE" LC_ADDRESS="de_DE" LC_TELEPHONE="de_DE" LC_MEASUREMENT="de_DE" LC_IDENTIFICATION="de_DE" LC_ALL= xdm started but after the loginscreen, after user/password return there is only one xterm open, no windowmanager started. I have read about that as the emergency screen, normaly touched with user/password F1 with the possibility to repair a bad start script. Regards Ernst - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson| The basic test of freedom is perhaps Debian GNU/Linux | less in what we are free to do than in [EMAIL PROTECTED] | what we are free not to do. http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | -- Eric Hoffer - End forwarded message - -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [bruce@perens.com: user not authorized to run the X server]
* Drew Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001212 18:18]: That's dpkg-reconfigure, actually... "dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-common" doesn't seem to do anything for me. It runs, exits, and Xwrapper.config is exactly the same as it was before. This would probably mean you set your debconf severity level to such a state that it doesn't bother asking you the question. Reconfigure debconf, and see if that changes matters. :) (And if you think Branden screwed up the priority of the question, be sure to let the list know. :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [mongoose@users.sourceforge.net: X upgrade policy]
* Terry 'Mongoose' Hendrix II [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001211 23:29]: I told the X people months ago not to force out utah - that's why I'm pissed off. An overnight upgrade of gtk shouldn't break my x server. I also think hiding behind the debian stand-by "it's not even supposed to work" is why packages are always broken - no one cares. Why *should* XF86 support Utah? SGI donated GLX, PI integrated it, MetroX donated code to load drivers as modules at run time, the kernel supports the AGPGART driver needed for this new GLX stuff... Don't get me wrong -- the nice people doing the Utah-GLX broke important ground, but trying to support it in 4.0 doesn't seem productive to me. Trying to get Debian to support something upstream doesn't support seems even less productive. And as for broken packages, if one *really* wishes to avoid this situation, one will run one of the stable releases. If I had a company, with important servers, they would all run stable. For a home machine, I am perfectly willing to wonder why on earth something broke, and I even find a level of fun in tracking it down -- so I run unstable. If you don't fit this description, then you have the choice of running stable. *Those* packages *do* work, as evidenced by the large number of people running Debian. No, I've never heard the "it's not even supposed to work" line by anyone other than myself -- and that once was in relation to someone using the woody packages (linked against glibc 2.2.94 or something like that) being run on potato. (To this end, Charl P. Botha has been doing a good job compiling the 4.0.1 source packages for potato. This is supposed to work fine, and from his description (and user's accolades) it does work fine.) As for your recent problems -- welcome to the bleeding edge. When apt offers to remove a bunch of packages for you, while installing a whole bunch, it *does* ask if this is all right with you first. If you discover after installing the new packages that it wasn't right for you, backing out the new packages isn't too bad either. dpkg provides two command line options to this effect, and apt, despite providing only one option, it is usually the option people want. :) Life on the bleeding edge sometimes means giving up on the past. If there are parts of the past you didn't want to give up on, it is easily within your abilities using apt to prevent this, or running a distribution of Debian where the past is what you live in constantly. It isn't horrible -- many people do that. I wouldn't consider anything else for the machines where their continued stability matters. Cheers. :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [mongoose@users.sourceforge.net: X upgrade policy]
* Terry 'Mongoose' Hendrix II [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001211 23:29]: I told the X people months ago not to force out utah - that's why I'm pissed off. An overnight upgrade of gtk shouldn't break my x server. I also think hiding behind the debian stand-by it's not even supposed to work is why packages are always broken - no one cares. Why *should* XF86 support Utah? SGI donated GLX, PI integrated it, MetroX donated code to load drivers as modules at run time, the kernel supports the AGPGART driver needed for this new GLX stuff... Don't get me wrong -- the nice people doing the Utah-GLX broke important ground, but trying to support it in 4.0 doesn't seem productive to me. Trying to get Debian to support something upstream doesn't support seems even less productive. And as for broken packages, if one *really* wishes to avoid this situation, one will run one of the stable releases. If I had a company, with important servers, they would all run stable. For a home machine, I am perfectly willing to wonder why on earth something broke, and I even find a level of fun in tracking it down -- so I run unstable. If you don't fit this description, then you have the choice of running stable. *Those* packages *do* work, as evidenced by the large number of people running Debian. No, I've never heard the it's not even supposed to work line by anyone other than myself -- and that once was in relation to someone using the woody packages (linked against glibc 2.2.94 or something like that) being run on potato. (To this end, Charl P. Botha has been doing a good job compiling the 4.0.1 source packages for potato. This is supposed to work fine, and from his description (and user's accolades) it does work fine.) As for your recent problems -- welcome to the bleeding edge. When apt offers to remove a bunch of packages for you, while installing a whole bunch, it *does* ask if this is all right with you first. If you discover after installing the new packages that it wasn't right for you, backing out the new packages isn't too bad either. dpkg provides two command line options to this effect, and apt, despite providing only one option, it is usually the option people want. :) Life on the bleeding edge sometimes means giving up on the past. If there are parts of the past you didn't want to give up on, it is easily within your abilities using apt to prevent this, or running a distribution of Debian where the past is what you live in constantly. It isn't horrible -- many people do that. I wouldn't consider anything else for the machines where their continued stability matters. Cheers. :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: Utah GLX
* Terry 'Mongoose' Hendrix II [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001212 00:14]: You're forcing people to give up performance, correctness, and hardware GL accelration altogether in some cases. Aha! We have found the root of the problem. :) Please reconsider this statement. Who forces you to do anything? Does Branden force you out of bed in the morning? Does Branden force you to use his 3.3.x packages? Does Branden force you to use his 4.0 packages? Does Branden force you to do *anything*? Who forces you out of bed in the morning? Who forces you to go to work each and every weekday in order to purchase video cards as nice as the g400? Who forces you to own a computer? Who forces you to use X at all? Or even the XFree86 implementation of X? Who forces you to use applications that require GL support? Who forces you to use applications that function properly under only one implementation of OpenGL?[1][2] No. No one forced you to do anything. The tools[3] exist to ensure your Utah-GLX setup is never touched. You chose not to use the tool. No one forced you to not use the tool. No one forced you to not know about the tool's existence, or to think the tool archaic. Let us go over this again: no one forced you to do anything. Upgrading the X packages is *entirely up to whoever owns the computer*. If you own your computer, then it is entirely up to you. No one forced you to do a blasted thing. No one forced you to upgrade X from 3.3.6 to 4.0.1. That is your decision, and your decision alone. (Don't you feel empowered now? :) Cheers. :) [1]: Yes, I crafted this sentence to disparage the applications. Consider it a different light or perspective on the problem, though I don't doubt that Utah-GLX might support certain operations better. [2]: Trademarks be damned. [3]: = in dselect. -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: Utah GLX
[note: I've cut nothing from the body of Terry's original email, only interspersed my comments in his email.] * Terry 'Mongoose' Hendrix II [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001212 00:52]: Seth Arnold wrote: Please reconsider this statement. Who forces you to do anything? Does Branden force you out of bed in the morning? Does Branden force you to use his 3.3.x packages? Does Branden force you to use his 4.0 packages? Does Branden force you to do *anything*? So I shouldn't trust packages from debian X team? I should install everything from source, and I should read every line of code. I put *trust in them. I didn't think I would have to check for a widget install ( gtk ) to render my new agp card unusable for the next few days. Ok. I think I get where this is headed. Instead of running ``apt-get upgrade'', run ``apt-get -u upgrade''. It will show you what will be upgraded. It sounds as if you knew many months ago that 4.0.x would break support for your currently installed DRI, and it sounds as if you were taken completely off-guard by its installation when you tried to install a new widget set. Using -u with apt would prevent this from happening. (I don't know why it isn't the default, but hey, I don't mind the extra three characters. :) I expressed concern about cutting out utah users before, and until DRI matures I can't see how you can defend the decision to weed it out. The thing is, no one is weeding anything out. Users can still run 3.3.x. cheers, Terry Cheers :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: Utah GLX
* Terry 'Mongoose' Hendrix II [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001212 01:32]: The thing is, no one is weeding anything out. Users can still run 3.3.x. You can't install 3.3.6-18 anymore, so I think it is cutting users out. Perhaps it is cutting out users who join the project with woody's original release. You don't fall into this category. You *can* install 3.3.6-11potato18 though, which is probably pretty damn close to the 3.3.6-18 you miss so much. Games like tribes 2 won't be running on DRI, what will you thin debian users will say to that? I never liked how debian maintainers assume certian packages that can no longer be obtianed exist on a users system. Eh? Hmm. Maybe you forgot a 'not' somewhere in this sentence. Could you please rephrase that, and more directly apply it to your case of not putting the 3.3.6 packages on hold? I'm going to have to reinstall X and all my X dep apps tomarrow, and I hate knowing even after expressing concern agian on the issue of utah - I've wasted 2 days fixing it, yet I'm going to have to manually alter my status database to lock out debian X anyway. Oh man, I remember when I had a slow internet connection. Thank god for ATT and their cable connections! :) Downloading the new X packages takes only a few minutes, and I imagine the old X packages would download just as quickly for me. All the best to you and your poor modem. :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: ssh -- X11 forwarding with new server-xfree86
Lukas, I think there are several things going on at once. xhost allows individual hosts to connect to X -- by default, X doesn't listen to tcp sockets (the -nolisten tcp bit in one of the /etc/X11/ files) so remote hosts will not be able to connect, with or without xhost authorization. Also, ssh does the tunnelling for you -- if you manually set DISPLAY on the other machine, which may be done in a shell script someplace :), then you do not get the benefit of ssh's tunnelling. Also, I would hope ssh could dump the local end of the pipe to X through unix domain sockets, for the slight speed help -- but if it requires using tcp to talk to the local server (which wouldn't surprise me at all), then you need to remove the -nolisten tcp bit. The fact that it complains about not opening the 10.0.1.4:0.0 display says to me that the DISPLAY environment variable is set someplace. Note also that Debian ships ssh in such a fashion that X forwarding doens't take place automatically -- you must edit files in /etc/ssh/ to fix this. (This is to prevent problems mentioned on [EMAIL PROTECTED]) HTH * Lukas Ruf [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001212 13:45]: Dear all, I updated my woody box yesterday to the newest server for XFree86 4.0. Since then, I cannot remotely start any tools that have to connect to the X-Client. The error message _X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 Error: Can't open display: 10.0.1.4:0.0 [1]Exit 1communicator appears even I run xhost + or I explicitely allowed the X server to connect. Does anyone know where I can fix the problem? Thanks in advance for any help. Kind regards, Lukas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [mongoose@users.sourceforge.net: X upgrade policy]
* Marcelo E. Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001212 14:40]: DRI's implementation is orders of magnitude cleaner and it *is* a better option for some people (most of the people, probably), but brushing Utah as a thing in the past is, at best, cluelessness. If *you* had trouble setting up Utah drivers it doesn't mean that *everyone* will have them. Well, I am at least partially correct in the sense that Utah-GLX does not work with 4.0.1. It only works with versions of 3.3.x; a version most decidedly much older than 4.0.1. That is my definition of 'past' -- something that once upon a time worked, but does not work any longer. Under this definition, the transparent cryptographic filesystem is in the past -- it worked with Linux kernel 2.0, but not newer releases. It might have been very good, and served the needs of its users well. It still provides functionality that hasn't been supplied by other packages. But it too is in the past, because it requires an older version of software than most people want to run. It seems clear to me that Utah-GLX fits this definition nicely. (Otherwise, Terry wouldn't be pissed right now. :) Whether it is better or worse, I am not prepared to make this sort of value judgement. -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
[branden@deadbeast.net: [ernst_sonnleitner@freenet.de: xdm don't run his start script with german settings (LANG=de_DE)]]
Ernst, I *think* the end problem is, XF86 uses a different set of locale names than FSF's glibc uses. I don't know the answer. Branden and (ben?) have exchanged a few emails in debian-x about possible solutions/sources of the problem. The debian-x archives may be interesting reading. Until something is figured out (or someone reminds me of what the fix was, if there is a fix already :) I would suggest setting your locale information on a per-process basis. - Forwarded message from Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:08:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:06:21 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:46:12 -0500 To: debian-x@lists.debian.org Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: xdm don't run his start script with german settings (LANG=de_DE)] Mail-Followup-To: debian-x@lists.debian.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Branden Robinson) Resent-Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-From: debian-x@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: debian-x@lists.debian.org archive/latest/1991 X-Loop: debian-x@lists.debian.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Bcc: - Forwarded message from Ernst Sonnleitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Ernst Sonnleitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: xdm don't run his start script with german settings (LANG=de_DE) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:33:28 +0100 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 10:31:48PM -0500 Organization: nobody is perfect Hello If I don't set locale xdm work well - login with user/password -my windowsmanager starts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locale LANG=POSIX LC_CTYPE=POSIX LC_NUMERIC=POSIX LC_TIME=POSIX LC_COLLATE=POSIX LC_MONETARY=POSIX LC_MESSAGES=POSIX LC_PAPER=POSIX LC_NAME=POSIX LC_ADDRESS=POSIX LC_TELEPHONE=POSIX LC_MEASUREMENT=POSIX LC_IDENTIFICATION=POSIX - If I set my locale with /etc/language-de #!/bin/sh # $Id: language-de,v 1.4 1998/02/20 18:34:36 leutloff Exp $ # settings for german speaking users set LANG LANG=de_DE export LANG and activates it with /etc/X11/Xsession: if [ -f /etc/language-de ]; then source /etc/language-de; fi /etc/profile: if [ -f /etc/language-de ]; then source /etc/language-de; fi [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locale LANG=de_DE LC_CTYPE=de_DE LC_NUMERIC=de_DE LC_TIME=de_DE LC_COLLATE=de_DE LC_MONETARY=de_DE LC_MESSAGES=de_DE LC_PAPER=de_DE LC_NAME=de_DE LC_ADDRESS=de_DE LC_TELEPHONE=de_DE LC_MEASUREMENT=de_DE LC_IDENTIFICATION=de_DE LC_ALL= xdm started but after the loginscreen, after user/password return there is only one xterm open, no windowmanager started. I have read about that as the emergency screen, normaly touched with user/password F1 with the possibility to repair a bad start script. Regards Ernst - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson| The basic test of freedom is perhaps Debian GNU/Linux | less in what we are free to do than in [EMAIL PROTECTED] | what we are free not to do. http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | -- Eric Hoffer - End forwarded message - -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [mongoose@users.sourceforge.net: X upgrade policy]
* Marcelo E. Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001212 16:39]: [...] and Utah's has some advantages for some people. And the one person who has seemed to be effected thus far did not take the time and effort to put his packages on hold. :-P Whether it is better or worse, I am not prepared to make this sort of value judgement. What value judgement are you talking about? This is a (measurable) technical issue. Oh no, *time* falls into the equation as well. Getting GL on 4.0.x is quite simple and fast -- recompile kernel to include AGPGART device and the video card kernel module. Load it and the agpgart modules. Have the following Loaded in the XF86Config file: GLcore, dbe, dri, glx. Compared against Utah, at least the last time I looked at it, this is really pretty quick and easy. Whether or not the features supported by Utah are imporant enough to justify the work involved with getting it to go is entirely dependent upon the applications one needs to run. For me, I never missed the features. For mongoose (terry?), he obviously misses the features of Utah, but not enough to ensure they wouldn't be overwritten. Yes, it is a value judgement, based entirely on measurable technical details. -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [bruce@perens.com: user not authorized to run the X server]
* Drew Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001212 18:18]: That's dpkg-reconfigure, actually... dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-common doesn't seem to do anything for me. It runs, exits, and Xwrapper.config is exactly the same as it was before. This would probably mean you set your debconf severity level to such a state that it doesn't bother asking you the question. Reconfigure debconf, and see if that changes matters. :) (And if you think Branden screwed up the priority of the question, be sure to let the list know. :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: Tracking XFree86 CVS on a Potato system
* Juliusz Chroboczek [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001211 10:30]: First of all, I'd like to know whether building Branden's packages on a Potato system yields a usable version of XFree86. Thanks for the note about not needing CC:s. I never know when I see posts from new people. :) You can indeed build Branden's packages for potato, but Charl P. Botha has done this already! I submitted the URL he gave for this a while ago to google, so it should be able to find him and his packages without effort. (It would also be in the archives, but that takes more effort to search than google. :) Of course, I don't know if he tracks Branden as quickly as Branden tracks CVS -- so, Charl also wrote a quick description on building the 4.0.1 source packages Branden makes on potato. But, if you are truly making this a development box, why not go all out, and run woody, what with its often updates to everything? :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: quick fix for building nvidia xfree4 drivers on kernel 2.4.0-test11
If the Makefile was written well, it will be simple. Open the Makefile with your favorite editor (vim is mine! :) and look for lines similar to -DSOMETHING. Add the -DKERNEL_2_3 bit to this line. Or, if there isn't something that looks right, see if there is a CCFLAGS line -- and add the -DKERNEL_2_3 flag there. HTH :) * dude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001211 16:59]: thanks! sounds like agreat idea, but im fairly new to this so editing the complier flags would be a bit too much for me (now) mind showing me what this would look like? g On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Raphael Deimel wrote: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:49:40 +0100 From: Raphael Deimel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dude [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-x Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: quick fix for building nvidia xfree4 drivers on kernel 2.4.0-test11 Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] i saw on on tomshardware site that worked for 2.2 is it essentialy the same for 2.4? i'm currently running xf4, kernel 2.4.0-test10 with NVidia's own accellerated drivers (hell, this is what graphics speed supposed to be ;) You could fetch the latest driver (0.9.5) and insert Mads Buus Jensen's code snippet in nv.h (as he suggested - THANKS for the quick'n'dirty fix). AND you should edit the Makefile to include -DKERNEL_2_3 within the compiler flags (think he forgot that one) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [mongoose@users.sourceforge.net: X upgrade policy]
Terry, a few quick comments -- first, Utah-glx is in the past. While their work may have been nifty at one point, and for people running 3.3.x perhaps necessary, XF 4.0.1 has a *much* easier GL system. Second, I'm not sure what you mean by ``I have a g400, not a v3'' -- last time I ran the dexter program, it did not automatically assume I had any type of video card -- rather, it allowed me to select my g400 from a list. But then, I haven't run dexter lately. Third, welcome to life running Debian unstable. :) If you want nice stable operating, run potato. It is very good. If you want the latest and greatest (including XF4.0.1's much improved GLX support), then running woody is just fine -- though there will be bumps along the way. Those bumps are part of running woody, until it is declared stable. (Well, heck, bumps might happen then too, but we try to minimize them. :) Fourth, there is no pressing need to email Branden directly -- he is awful busy. Using lists such as debian-user (for most X questions) or debian-x (for questions specific to the debian packaging of X) will usually get responses much faster. Cheers! :) * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001211 19:35]: - Forwarded message from Terry 'Mongoose' Hendrix II [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: "Terry 'Mongoose' Hendrix II" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: X upgrade policy Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:05:35 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: mongoose@localhost Reply-To: "Terry 'Mongoose' Hendrix" [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: Pine.LNX.4.10.10012111559520.437-10@localhost Why have you made the upgrade path in X impossible? You can't run utah on 4.0 - yet you blindly install 4.0 over every system by dependcies. You don't even bother checking /proc to see what card is installed. A simple grep of /proc/pci shows I have an AGP G400, not a V3! I have a machine that has half 3.3.6-18 and 4.0 installed now - and I had the utah package installed! You should check for utah before 'upgrading' blindly over it. I told you people not to do this - 3d accel is very important - you shouldn't dissmiss it outright. I'm having to reinstall all my X libs and applications now, and I can't develop my projects while fixing your mistakes. cheers, Terry --- | GooseEgghttp://gooseegg.sourceforge.net | | QuakeForge http://www.quakeforge.net | | Personalhttp://www.westga.edu/~stu7440| | | | Dream is running Debian GNU/Linux| --- - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson| The greatest productive force is human Debian GNU/Linux | selfishness. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Robert Heinlein http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [harri@synopsys.COM: gdm and kdm can't start X]
Would the /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config file affect gdm or kdm? * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001211 19:46]: Not sure what the problem is here; I don't know what would make the X server become a zombie process. - Forwarded message from Harald Dunkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Harald Dunkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: gdm and kdm can't start X Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:30:59 +0100 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-test11 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Hi Branden After the last update of XFree 4.0.1 gdm and kdm stopped working. The XServer doesn't come up. 'ps -ef' shows me '[ X defunct ]'. Is this an installation problem? Regards Harri -- Harald Dunkel | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Against stupidity the very gods Synopsys GmbH | Kaiserstr. 100 | Themselves contend in vain. 52134 Herzogenrath, Germany | +49 2407 9558 (fax? 44: 0) | Schiller, The Maid of Orleans - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson|Men use thought only to justify their Debian GNU/Linux |wrong doings, and speech only to conceal [EMAIL PROTECTED] |their thoughts. http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ |-- Voltaire -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tracking XFree86 CVS on a Potato system
* Juliusz Chroboczek [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001211 10:30]: First of all, I'd like to know whether building Branden's packages on a Potato system yields a usable version of XFree86. Thanks for the note about not needing CC:s. I never know when I see posts from new people. :) You can indeed build Branden's packages for potato, but Charl P. Botha has done this already! I submitted the URL he gave for this a while ago to google, so it should be able to find him and his packages without effort. (It would also be in the archives, but that takes more effort to search than google. :) Of course, I don't know if he tracks Branden as quickly as Branden tracks CVS -- so, Charl also wrote a quick description on building the 4.0.1 source packages Branden makes on potato. But, if you are truly making this a development box, why not go all out, and run woody, what with its often updates to everything? :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: quick fix for building nvidia xfree4 drivers on kernel 2.4.0-test11
If the Makefile was written well, it will be simple. Open the Makefile with your favorite editor (vim is mine! :) and look for lines similar to -DSOMETHING. Add the -DKERNEL_2_3 bit to this line. Or, if there isn't something that looks right, see if there is a CCFLAGS line -- and add the -DKERNEL_2_3 flag there. HTH :) * dude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001211 16:59]: thanks! sounds like agreat idea, but im fairly new to this so editing the complier flags would be a bit too much for me (now) mind showing me what this would look like? g On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Raphael Deimel wrote: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:49:40 +0100 From: Raphael Deimel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dude [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-x Mailing List debian-x@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: quick fix for building nvidia xfree4 drivers on kernel 2.4.0-test11 Resent-From: debian-x@lists.debian.org i saw on on tomshardware site that worked for 2.2 is it essentialy the same for 2.4? i'm currently running xf4, kernel 2.4.0-test10 with NVidia's own accellerated drivers (hell, this is what graphics speed supposed to be ;) You could fetch the latest driver (0.9.5) and insert Mads Buus Jensen's code snippet in nv.h (as he suggested - THANKS for the quick'n'dirty fix). AND you should edit the Makefile to include -DKERNEL_2_3 within the compiler flags (think he forgot that one) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [mongoose@users.sourceforge.net: X upgrade policy]
Terry, a few quick comments -- first, Utah-glx is in the past. While their work may have been nifty at one point, and for people running 3.3.x perhaps necessary, XF 4.0.1 has a *much* easier GL system. Second, I'm not sure what you mean by ``I have a g400, not a v3'' -- last time I ran the dexter program, it did not automatically assume I had any type of video card -- rather, it allowed me to select my g400 from a list. But then, I haven't run dexter lately. Third, welcome to life running Debian unstable. :) If you want nice stable operating, run potato. It is very good. If you want the latest and greatest (including XF4.0.1's much improved GLX support), then running woody is just fine -- though there will be bumps along the way. Those bumps are part of running woody, until it is declared stable. (Well, heck, bumps might happen then too, but we try to minimize them. :) Fourth, there is no pressing need to email Branden directly -- he is awful busy. Using lists such as debian-user (for most X questions) or debian-x (for questions specific to the debian packaging of X) will usually get responses much faster. Cheers! :) * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001211 19:35]: - Forwarded message from Terry 'Mongoose' Hendrix II [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Terry 'Mongoose' Hendrix II [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: X upgrade policy Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:05:35 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Terry 'Mongoose' Hendrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why have you made the upgrade path in X impossible? You can't run utah on 4.0 - yet you blindly install 4.0 over every system by dependcies. You don't even bother checking /proc to see what card is installed. A simple grep of /proc/pci shows I have an AGP G400, not a V3! I have a machine that has half 3.3.6-18 and 4.0 installed now - and I had the utah package installed! You should check for utah before 'upgrading' blindly over it. I told you people not to do this - 3d accel is very important - you shouldn't dissmiss it outright. I'm having to reinstall all my X libs and applications now, and I can't develop my projects while fixing your mistakes. cheers, Terry --- | GooseEgghttp://gooseegg.sourceforge.net | | QuakeForge http://www.quakeforge.net | | Personalhttp://www.westga.edu/~stu7440| | | | Dream is running Debian GNU/Linux| --- - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson| The greatest productive force is human Debian GNU/Linux | selfishness. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Robert Heinlein http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [harri@synopsys.COM: gdm and kdm can't start X]
Would the /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config file affect gdm or kdm? * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001211 19:46]: Not sure what the problem is here; I don't know what would make the X server become a zombie process. - Forwarded message from Harald Dunkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Harald Dunkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: gdm and kdm can't start X Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:30:59 +0100 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-test11 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Hi Branden After the last update of XFree 4.0.1 gdm and kdm stopped working. The XServer doesn't come up. 'ps -ef' shows me '[ X defunct ]'. Is this an installation problem? Regards Harri -- Harald Dunkel | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Against stupidity the very gods Synopsys GmbH | Kaiserstr. 100 | Themselves contend in vain. 52134 Herzogenrath, Germany | +49 2407 9558 (fax? 44: 0) | Schiller, The Maid of Orleans - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson|Men use thought only to justify their Debian GNU/Linux |wrong doings, and speech only to conceal [EMAIL PROTECTED] |their thoughts. http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ |-- Voltaire -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [bdarrow@optonline.net: interesting problems]
Ok, this situation is less than fun. My first thought -- pretty much guaranteed to work -- download/buy/use the latest release of potato, and reinstall. Not much fun, but I bet X will work. Second thought -- try dpkg -l | grep 4.0.1 and apt-get remove all these packages. Check your /var/cache/apt/archives directory for the old X packages. (If you don't clean your apt repository much, your old X .debs might still be around.) Sadly, I have long since trashed my repository, and have no traces of the original 3.3.x archives around. I would imagine there are many mirrors of the old packages around -- ftp.cdrom.com and ftp.kernel.org come to mind as likely to have mirrors going back a ways. Best of luck. * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001210 16:24]: - Forwarded message from Bill Darrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Bill Darrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: interesting problems Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:09:02 -0500 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Good afternoon. I've spent most of my day working at this interesting problem I am having. I upgraded earlier today only to notice that xf4 was replacing xf3.3.6. I had found bad experiences with this software before and chose to continue use of 3.3.6. I notified others of my problem and recieved information about installing the old xserver while basically still using the new base. This idea seems brilliant except for the fact that I was alarmed when I found that xserver-mach64 no longer exists. I can't grab one from an old dist as the dependencies are fucked up from those ones. Also, once I felt cornered, I tried using xf4, but it couldn't get a screen to work. None of the combinations seemed to work, I tried forever and it just kept spitting out that 'no screens found' after it found none of them to be useable. Now, I can't go back to the old xserver or use the new one. I do not have money to seek professional help in this situation and I do not have enough money to buy a different video card. I use this machine for work and it is all I have. Please see if you can help, I wasted an entire day with no pay now trying to upgrade and running into perl and x problems now. I can't afford another day like this one. Please, any help is greatly appreciated. You are my last resort. Time is precious, Bill Darrow - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson|"Why do we have to hide from the police, Debian GNU/Linux |Daddy?" [EMAIL PROTECTED] |"Because we use vi, son. They use http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ |emacs." -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [bdarrow@optonline.net: interesting problems]
Ok, this situation is less than fun. My first thought -- pretty much guaranteed to work -- download/buy/use the latest release of potato, and reinstall. Not much fun, but I bet X will work. Second thought -- try dpkg -l | grep 4.0.1 and apt-get remove all these packages. Check your /var/cache/apt/archives directory for the old X packages. (If you don't clean your apt repository much, your old X .debs might still be around.) Sadly, I have long since trashed my repository, and have no traces of the original 3.3.x archives around. I would imagine there are many mirrors of the old packages around -- ftp.cdrom.com and ftp.kernel.org come to mind as likely to have mirrors going back a ways. Best of luck. * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001210 16:24]: - Forwarded message from Bill Darrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Bill Darrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: interesting problems Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:09:02 -0500 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Good afternoon. I've spent most of my day working at this interesting problem I am having. I upgraded earlier today only to notice that xf4 was replacing xf3.3.6. I had found bad experiences with this software before and chose to continue use of 3.3.6. I notified others of my problem and recieved information about installing the old xserver while basically still using the new base. This idea seems brilliant except for the fact that I was alarmed when I found that xserver-mach64 no longer exists. I can't grab one from an old dist as the dependencies are fucked up from those ones. Also, once I felt cornered, I tried using xf4, but it couldn't get a screen to work. None of the combinations seemed to work, I tried forever and it just kept spitting out that 'no screens found' after it found none of them to be useable. Now, I can't go back to the old xserver or use the new one. I do not have money to seek professional help in this situation and I do not have enough money to buy a different video card. I use this machine for work and it is all I have. Please see if you can help, I wasted an entire day with no pay now trying to upgrade and running into perl and x problems now. I can't afford another day like this one. Please, any help is greatly appreciated. You are my last resort. Time is precious, Bill Darrow - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson|Why do we have to hide from the police, Debian GNU/Linux |Daddy? [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Because we use vi, son. They use http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ |emacs. -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
[bdarrow@optonline.net: Re: [bdarrow@optonline.net: interesting problems]]
Bill, I have resent thi message to the debian-x list, I hope you don't mind -- perhaps this information will help someone else in the future. I've also broken your message apart into paragraphs, somewhat arbitrarily. :) I'm glad to hear you managed to fix the problem! :) - Forwarded message from Bill Darrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:56:47 -0800 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:54:47 -0500 From: Bill Darrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Seth Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: interesting problems] Good news my friend. I was able to come to a workable solution. I spent the last 5 hours or so trying to figure this stuff out. I found that it finds no screens since none are useable. This doesn't really make any sense and I would guess this is simply due to the fact that the ati drivers suck terribly. They are probably probing incorrectly and gathering incorrect information which proves any possibility of a workable screen false. I am going to send a bug report to the xfree86 team about this. On second note, I am sending you information on how to resolve this problem for future reference in case anyone else ends up in a situation like I did. Basically, I was able to get the xserver-mach64 package from the potato package archive. I installed this package and to my surprise, its dependencies are actually met with the woody x packages. I then also installed xserver-common-v3 which I figured the mach64 xserver would need. I then relinked /etc/X11/X to the correct location of the mach64 xserver. Then, I needed to edit /etc/X11/Xserver to verify that all the information within it was correct. Once this was complete, I found that the old xf86config was still on the system but was renamed to xf86config-v3. So I ran that binary and created a new configuration file. My card was no longer in the archive, but I still was able go through the process, I just chose 'n' when it asked if I wanted to write the Xserver file. At this point, my xserver ran and operated as usual just like in the 3.3.6 days. Thanks for the help. Bill Darrow Seth Arnold wrote: Ok, this situation is less than fun. My first thought -- pretty much guaranteed to work -- download/buy/use the latest release of potato, and reinstall. Not much fun, but I bet X will work. Second thought -- try dpkg -l | grep 4.0.1 and apt-get remove all these packages. Check your /var/cache/apt/archives directory for the old X packages. (If you don't clean your apt repository much, your old X .debs might still be around.) Sadly, I have long since trashed my repository, and have no traces of the original 3.3.x archives around. I would imagine there are many mirrors of the old packages around -- ftp.cdrom.com and ftp.kernel.org come to mind as likely to have mirrors going back a ways. Best of luck. * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001210 16:24]: - Forwarded message from Bill Darrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Bill Darrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: interesting problems Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:09:02 -0500 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Good afternoon. I've spent most of my day working at this interesting problem I am having. I upgraded earlier today only to notice that xf4 was replacing xf3.3.6. I had found bad experiences with this software before and chose to continue use of 3.3.6. I notified others of my problem and recieved information about installing the old xserver while basically still using the new base. This idea seems brilliant except for the fact that I was alarmed when I found that xserver-mach64 no longer exists. I can't grab one from an old dist as the dependencies are fucked up from those ones. Also, once I felt cornered, I tried using xf4, but it couldn't get a screen to work. None of the combinations seemed to work, I tried forever and it just kept spitting out that 'no screens found' after it found none of them to be useable. Now, I can't go back to the old xserver or use the new one. I do not have money to seek professional help in this situation and I do not have enough money to buy a different video card. I use this machine for work and it is all I have. Please see if you can help, I wasted an entire day with no pay now trying to upgrade and running into perl and x problems now. I can't afford another day like this one. Please, any help is greatly appreciated. You are my last resort. Time is precious, Bill Darrow - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson|Why do we have to hide from the police, Debian GNU/Linux |Daddy? [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Because we use vi, son. They use
[branden@deadbeast.net: [picone@titan.eti.br: xf86cfg problems]]
Temporarily gone. Explanation cut; i'm tired of typing it. (archives full explanation.) - Forwarded message from Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Envelope-to: sarnold@localhost Delivery-date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:28:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:24:50 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:27:19 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: xf86cfg problems] Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Branden Robinson) Resent-Message-ID: guQTqB.A.xkH.9nRM6@murphy Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] archive/latest/1891 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Bcc: - Forwarded message from Reinaldo Picone Barbosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Reinaldo Picone Barbosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: xf86cfg problems Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 13:04:37 -0200 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.4.0-test10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Hi Branden, I am trying to use xf86cfg for a long time but I allways receive the same message: "Cannot open Cards database." I am using the last package version (4.0.1-10). What can I do? What should I do? ;) Tkx, Reinaldo Picone - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson| If you make people think they're Debian GNU/Linux | thinking, they'll love you; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | but if you really make them think, http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | they'll hate you. - End forwarded message - -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[branden@deadbeast.net: [picone@titan.eti.br: xf86cfg problems]]
Temporarily gone. Explanation cut; i'm tired of typing it. (archives full explanation.) - Forwarded message from Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:28:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:24:50 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:27:19 -0500 To: debian-x@lists.debian.org Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: xf86cfg problems] Mail-Followup-To: debian-x@lists.debian.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Branden Robinson) Resent-Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-From: debian-x@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: debian-x@lists.debian.org archive/latest/1891 X-Loop: debian-x@lists.debian.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Bcc: - Forwarded message from Reinaldo Picone Barbosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Reinaldo Picone Barbosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: xf86cfg problems Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 13:04:37 -0200 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.4.0-test10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Hi Branden, I am trying to use xf86cfg for a long time but I allways receive the same message: Cannot open Cards database. I am using the last package version (4.0.1-10). What can I do? What should I do? ;) Tkx, Reinaldo Picone - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson| If you make people think they're Debian GNU/Linux | thinking, they'll love you; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | but if you really make them think, http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | they'll hate you. - End forwarded message - -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
[branden@deadbeast.net: [jdfool@Club-internet.fr: Upgrading to Xfree 4.01]]
Sure there is Branden; Emmanuel, 4.0.1 is *not* for potato. If you want to run 4.0.1 on potato, please search for Charl P. Botha's packages built for potato. If things break, recognize that is because 4.0.1 was *never meant* for potato. If it works, then it is magic. If it breaks, that is to be expected. Best of luck. :) - Forwarded message from Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Envelope-to: sarnold@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:45:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:41:27 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:44:00 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Upgrading to Xfree 4.01] Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Branden Robinson) Resent-Message-ID: Cf3uE.A.OwD.1KBM6@murphy Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] archive/latest/1858 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Bcc: Not NEARLY enough information. - Forwarded message from Emmanuel Merliot [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Emmanuel Merliot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Upgrading to Xfree 4.01 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 21:25:19 +0100 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Hi, i tried to upgrade my standard potato box with Xfree4.01, but it seems to break all my xlib6-dependant packages, even if i try to install the xlib6 pseudo-package. Is there a FAQ or a doc to help acomplish this ? Is there an order to smooth update ? Many, many thanks in advance, Best regards, Emmanuel. - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson| You should try building some of the Debian GNU/Linux | stuff in main that is modern...turning [EMAIL PROTECTED] | on -Wall is like turning on the pain. http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | -- James Troup - End forwarded message - -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dmoulder@csse.monash.edu.au: Re: PowerPC XFree86 4.0.1buildsrevisited]
* Michel D?nzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001207 15:55]: Yes I have tried 800x600 and 640x480 and those modes were ok it was only my default 1024x756 which was the problem. Ahem, I was asking about other _depths_ actually, but thanks anyway :) Joining the conversation late ... err .. is 1024x756 really a normal resolution on your platform? Most folks have a 1024x768 display, but not a 1024x756. shrug -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
authorized users [rfe]
Branden, could you add a comment line to the Xwrapper.config file to the effect of, ``Valid values are: root, console, everybody'' -- I wasn't sure when this one hit me, so I guessed (and got it right, but self-documenting config files are nice :). Thanks :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [wsheets@att.net: /usr/X11R6/bin/X (xserver-common).]
[branden, you *need* to change the maintainer address to debian-x -- this is getting nuts. :] Walter: the /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config file needs to be updated. Change `root' to read `console' or `everyone' (or `everybody'?). * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001207 20:20]: - Forwarded message from Walter Sheets [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Walter Sheets [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: /usr/X11R6/bin/X (xserver-common). Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:09:53 -0800 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: none X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Message-Id: 00120720095300.1@k7 Hi Branden, With yesterday's update of xserver-common_4.01-10_i386 I can no longer run X with startx, which I always do. It yields the error message "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting." I have narrrowed the change down to the one file /usr/X11R6/bin/X which is packaged in xserver-common. If I replace that one file with the previous version (4.01-9) the error goes away. Is this a deliberate change in authentication policy or just a bug? If it is deliberate I need to know how to do the authentication properly. Thanks for sharing your time and hard work with all of us out here! Walt [EMAIL PROTECTED] - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson|A great work of art has never caused any Debian GNU/Linux |social problems. Social problems are [EMAIL PROTECTED] |caused by those trying to protect http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ |society from great works of art. -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: the continuing adventures of XFree86 4.0.1
* Christian T. Steigies [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001207 12:02]: I have no PCI bus, I don't see PCI mentioned in the config file, is there a way to stop loading that? Me, I would try moving the module to some other directory, and see what happens. :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [dmoulder@csse.monash.edu.au: Re: PowerPC XFree86 4.0.1buildsrevisited]
* Michel D?nzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001207 15:55]: Yes I have tried 800x600 and 640x480 and those modes were ok it was only my default 1024x756 which was the problem. Ahem, I was asking about other _depths_ actually, but thanks anyway :) Joining the conversation late ... err .. is 1024x756 really a normal resolution on your platform? Most folks have a 1024x768 display, but not a 1024x756. shrug -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
authorized users [rfe]
Branden, could you add a comment line to the Xwrapper.config file to the effect of, ``Valid values are: root, console, everybody'' -- I wasn't sure when this one hit me, so I guessed (and got it right, but self-documenting config files are nice :). Thanks :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [wsheets@att.net: /usr/X11R6/bin/X (xserver-common).]
[branden, you *need* to change the maintainer address to debian-x -- this is getting nuts. :] Walter: the /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config file needs to be updated. Change `root' to read `console' or `everyone' (or `everybody'?). * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001207 20:20]: - Forwarded message from Walter Sheets [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Walter Sheets [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: /usr/X11R6/bin/X (xserver-common). Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:09:53 -0800 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: none X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Branden, With yesterday's update of xserver-common_4.01-10_i386 I can no longer run X with startx, which I always do. It yields the error message X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. I have narrrowed the change down to the one file /usr/X11R6/bin/X which is packaged in xserver-common. If I replace that one file with the previous version (4.01-9) the error goes away. Is this a deliberate change in authentication policy or just a bug? If it is deliberate I need to know how to do the authentication properly. Thanks for sharing your time and hard work with all of us out here! Walt [EMAIL PROTECTED] - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson|A great work of art has never caused any Debian GNU/Linux |social problems. Social problems are [EMAIL PROTECTED] |caused by those trying to protect http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ |society from great works of art. -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: Problems with several application when using special locale
* Drew Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001205 05:09]: I don't have any locale-gen file, config or executable. Where does it come from? locales -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xserver-xfree8 4.0.1-8 on powerpc
* Frederic Seraphine [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001205 15:54]: Depth 16 (not 16 bpp!) is a weird mode indeed. In depth 16, the thought it was the same thing. I still must be computer graphic illiterate :-).o I always knew in my heart of hearts that the asymmetric nature of depth 16 was bad news; now I know why. Thanks everyone. :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with several application when using special locale
* Drew Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001205 05:09]: I don't have any locale-gen file, config or executable. Where does it come from? locales -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: xserver-xfree8 4.0.1-8 on powerpc
* Frederic Seraphine [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001205 15:54]: Depth 16 (not 16 bpp!) is a weird mode indeed. In depth 16, the thought it was the same thing. I still must be computer graphic illiterate :-).o I always knew in my heart of hearts that the asymmetric nature of depth 16 was bad news; now I know why. Thanks everyone. :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: Problems with several application when using special locale
* Morten B. Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001204 02:28]: When I use locale 'da_DK', xchat, Eterm and licq becomes unstable, (xchat segfaults, Eterm hangs, licq segfaults from time to time) Setting locale to 'C' solve these problems, I believe that this has something do with the latest X. GREAT! You found the source. Cool. Ok, have you edited /etc/locales.gen and then ran the locale-gen program? The newer libc .deb doesn't bother coming will full locales compiled -- it saves some 20 megs to build only the ones people want. :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with several application when using special locale
* Morten B. Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001204 02:28]: When I use locale 'da_DK', xchat, Eterm and licq becomes unstable, (xchat segfaults, Eterm hangs, licq segfaults from time to time) Setting locale to 'C' solve these problems, I believe that this has something do with the latest X. GREAT! You found the source. Cool. Ok, have you edited /etc/locales.gen and then ran the locale-gen program? The newer libc .deb doesn't bother coming will full locales compiled -- it saves some 20 megs to build only the ones people want. :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [aaron@eazel.com: xfonts-*]
Aaron, please ensure you have the xutils package installed, per the suggestion in the xfonts-* package descriptions. * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001204 15:18]: Sounds like he is using a really old phase1 or phase2 package. - Forwarded message from Aaron Brick [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Aaron Brick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: xfonts-* Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:41:26 -0800 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i hello branden, first, thenks for doing so much work on the X4 packages! i have been using them for some time and i appreciate your effort. i have been having a problem with the xfonts packages which you ought to know about. none of the fonts packages can be configured because mkfontdir fails owing to a lack of libXfont.so.1, which is not in any package (?!). presumably you know about this; please advise. thanks much, aaron. _ / \ /aaron brick\ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | \ 650 940 2080 / \_/ - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson| The first thing the communists do when Debian GNU/Linux | they take over a country is to outlaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] | cockfighting. http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | -- Oklahoma State Senator John Monks -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: half-offtopic-kde
Greetings Debian User, you should consider debian-user@lists.debian.org isntead of debian-x -- this mail list is intended for X developers. As for your question, something like: dpkg -i kde*deb in the directory you downloaded all the kde debs ought to do the job. BTW -- why not just use apt with the kde repository? :) * Debian User [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001203 10:46]: Sorry post this here, but im lost. Im trying install Kde2.0... I hava all .deb files, but that dont work with dselect, because of missing Packages.gz file list. So there is some tool to gerate that? Kde site say dpkg -i wanted package, but there is some tens of files, and i would like take advantage of task-kde2 deb file. thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: XFree86 4 and vmware / DGA
[Do you ever have one of those days when it just isn't obvious what quoting would be best to trim? This is one of those days. :] * Johannes Zellner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001203 13:20]: Hi, did anyone manage to run vmware-2 fullscreen with DGA on XFree86 4.x ? -- I get the vmware message: Your X server does not support XFree86 DGA accelerated graphics on your display hardware. Full-screen SVGA mode will not have acceleration. You may be able to download an updated XFree86 server at http://www.vmware.com/xfree86;. I've loaded the 'extmod' module and the 'dga' test program works nicely. I'm running a ATI 3D Rage LT Pro. I think this boils down to a fairly simple explanation -- version mismatch. vmware supports one version of DGA, which is also supported by xf86 3.3.x, but xf86 4.0.x supports a different version of DGA. Or, at least, this is how I understand the situation. :-/ -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: Problem getting XF 4.0.1(g) to work with Matrox G450
* Frederik Vanrenterghem [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001202 08:46]: I've tried recompiling the kernel (a 2.4.0test10), but that didn't work out, probably due to my Asus A7V motherboard or Duron 700 CPU or something. uhhh... this should be investigated. Compiling an application is a fairly straightforward task and should work no matter your CPU or motherboard. (Do you have bin86 installed? Many people forget to install this package.. :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FW: [otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my systemcompletl y, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
* Otto Wyss [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001201 22:07]: Okay, I'm going to send what I've gotten just to you, since it's rather much and you might decide what should be sent to debian-x. Well, I like to see everything, and I imagine anyone else would like to see everything too. :) First my XF86Config-4, which was created with dexter. I had to change the XkbModel/XkbLayout and the mouse to /dev/mouse (symlink to the real USB mouse device). As for this problem, I have several guesses, I think. First, the fbdev(4) manpage suggests you may need a BusID line, and says -scanpci might be needed to figure out what to put in this place. Second, the fbdevhw(4) manpage suggests that it is an OS-specific submodule that needs to be loaded. Use find(1) or locate(1) to see if anything matching this description is anywhere to be found. :) If it is, you may need to use `Option UseFBDev' in the device section. If it is not, then we need to figure out where this thing can be acquired. (A package by branden would make sense, particularly xvfb, but I can't promise anything. :) HTH :) --- # XF86Config-4 (XFree86 server configuration file) generated by Dexter, the # Debian X Configuration tool. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config manual page. # (Type man XF86Config at the shell prompt.) Section Files # FontPathunix/:7100# local font server # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi EndSection Section ServerFlags EndSection Section Module Loadddc LoadGLcore Loaddbe Loaddri Loadextmod Loadglx Loadpex5 Loadrecord Loadxie Loadbitmap Loadfreetype Loadspeedo Loadtype1 Loadvbe Loadint10 EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver keyboard Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRules xfree86 Option XkbModel pc102 Option XkbLayout de_CH EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Mouse Driver mouse Option CorePointer Option Protocol ImPS/2 Option Device/dev/mouse Option Emulate3Buttons true Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 EndSection Section Device Identifier Generic Graphics Device Driver fbdev EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Generic Monitor HorizSync 28-48 VertRefresh 43-72 Option DPMS EndSection Section Screen Identifier Default Screen Device Generic Graphics Device Monitor Generic Monitor DefaultDepth8 SubSection Display Depth 1 Modes 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 4 Modes 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 8 Modes 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 15 Modes 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 16 Modes 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 24 Modes 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection EndSection Section ServerLayout Identifier Default Layout Screen Default Screen InputDevice Generic Keyboard InputDevice Generic Mouse EndSection Section DRI Mode0666 EndSection # end of XF86Config --- And now follows the XFree86.0.log --- This is a pre-release version of XFree86, and is not supported in any way. Bugs may be reported to XFree86@XFree86.Org and patches submitted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions, please check the latest version in the XFree86 CVS repository (http://www.XFree86.Org/cvs) XFree86 Version 4.0.1f / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6400) Release Date: 16 November 2000 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems.
Re: Problem getting XF 4.0.1(g) to work with Matrox G450
* Frederik Vanrenterghem [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001202 08:46]: I've tried recompiling the kernel (a 2.4.0test10), but that didn't work out, probably due to my Asus A7V motherboard or Duron 700 CPU or something. uhhh... this should be investigated. Compiling an application is a fairly straightforward task and should work no matter your CPU or motherboard. (Do you have bin86 installed? Many people forget to install this package.. :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr: Bug#68389: [nrounds@haverford.edu: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7)]]
Nathaniel, you are right -- reporting a bug against -10 and hearing it is fixed in -7 is a little strange. WRT your error message, I have approached similar problems in the past by using dpkg directly on the apt-downloaded .deb packages, using the --force-overwrite option. The problem isn't the actual presence of a file there -- it is two packages that claim to own the file. My guess says your collection of packages may have the xconsole.real package moving around from one package to the next between upgrades. I don't know how well apt and/or dpkg would handle these situations. (BTW -- when using apt to upgrade from slink to potato, using dist-upgrade instead of just upgrade may take care of some of these issues... ) I hope this helps explain things. I don't know for sure what happened in your case, but usually force-overwrite does the right thing. :) * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001130 11:47]: - Forwarded message from Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Zdenek Kabelac [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bug#68389: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7)] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:24:31 +0100 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-From: Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Cc: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:33:11 GMT Resent-Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Debian-PR-Message: report 68389 X-Debian-PR-Package: xbase-clients X-Debian-PR-Keywords: X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Forwarded message from Nathaniel Rounds [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Delivery-date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:01:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:03:39 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Rounds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian Bug Tracking System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7) I assume that this email is going to a real person Hi. I am glad to hear that someone has looked at the bug report that I sent in, but I can't say that I particularly understood the attached explaination. Here's my dilemia: I had trouble updating xbase-client, and thus the bulk of x-window software from slink to potato. When potato became the stable debain release, I figured I'd better upgrade, but I held the slink versions of xbase-client and the various x-window applications which depend ot it and upgraded the rest of my system. So here is my problem: if I install the potato versions and they still don't work, I won't have the slink versions to go back to (I don't think I can get them from debian anymore) and so I will be left without a working x-window. No fun. Perhaps if you (and by you I mean Darren Benham, his associates, or any wise unix guru who runs accross my email) could explain exactly what the developer did in closing my bug report (#68389), I could figure out if I can upgrade with minimal fear of hosing my system. Thanks a lot, Nathaniel Rounds [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: This is an automatic notification regarding your Bug report #68389: xbase-clients: package preinst needs to get rid of xconsole alternative, which was filed against the xbase-clients package. It has been closed by one of the developers, namely Zdenek Kabelac [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Their explanation is attached below. If this explanation is unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate message then please contact the developer directly, or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or me. Darren Benham (administrator, Debian Bugs database) Received: (at 77550-done) by bugs.debian.org; 22 Nov 2000 14:18:11 + From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 22 08:18:10 2000 Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33] by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian)) id 13yaiv-vl-00; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:18:09 -0600 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19965 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from dual.fi.muni.cz ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [147.251.51.21]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25151 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from kabi by dual.fi.muni.cz with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian)) id 13yait-0001rw-00; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:07 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: fixed with -7 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Zdenek Kabelac [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:07 +0100 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FW: [otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my systemcompletl y, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
* Otto Wyss [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001130 15:11]:
Sorry if I had known, that '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' gets relayed to
debian-x, I wouldn't have sent it. Usually I send everything first at my
home address and than out to the world.
Well, Branden forwards email sent to his own account to debian-x if he
thinks someone else stands a chance of handling it or if he thinks the
conversation archived would be useful to someone in the future.
Unfortunatly for me, it's not that easy to find another employer.
Yes, I know; it was meant mostly in jest. :)
There is absolute nothing in the log (disk), probably because the cache
doesn't get flushed to disk. I guess there is nothing I could do to
force a flush in short intervalls. Is there any easy way to redirect the
output to another computer (running MacOS!) over the net?
Ok. I think we can defeat this one. If you don't mind playing with your
/etc/fstab file, you can change the partition that contains your
/var/log directory to be a synchronous mount. This of course will slow
things down a bit, but not by a terrible amount. (This is how the *BSDs
did their disk IO before Kirk McKusick invented SoftUpdates to get the
safety of synchronous writes with the speed of async mounts. :)
The other option is to have an endless loop of running sync(1). Someone
posted something similar not so long ago, but I am lousy at shell
scripting. The following C might do the job. :)
int main(void) {
while(1) {
if (system("/bin/sync") != 0)
break;
}
}
(Hmm. The system(3) manpage suggests this is very bad; however, since
the machine crashes anyway, it might not be horrible. Read the manpage
though and see if you can live with this before trying this version. :)
(A perl version wouldn't look much different, I don't think. If you
would rather use perl, I could dredge up my perl memories. :)
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Re: [joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr: Bug#68389: [nrounds@haverford.edu: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7)]]
Oh man, we have two very different ideas of systems. I felt slink was far too old to bother with when I was running potato, and if someone asked me to go back to potato today, I would be driven up the wall. :) I don't know why your report was closed. My guess is, whoever closed it simply raced through the report, and it looked similar to problems with the 4.0.1 series, and the closer knew that it was fixed in 4.0.1-7. This is just a guess though. shrug I don't know what your best bet is -- waiting for woody to become the new stable is probably going to be a long wait indeed. :-/ * Rounds Nathaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001130 19:30]: So here's the deal. Yes, it has been a few months since I first submitted this, but 1) my semester started in september (I am a junior at haverford college, as the email address suggests) so I have had very little time since mid-august to play sys-admin and tinker with my linux system. And 2) My system isn't really broken. I did more or less break it the first time I upgraded to potato using dist-upgrade, in august, because x-window needed several packages which depend on xbase-client. I solved the problem by going back to the old version (slink?) to get everything back up and running. When it became clear that xbase-client wasn't going to happen, I held the old versions of everything that depended on the new xbase-client -- 11 deb packages -- and upgraded everything else. So my system is working fine, I just haven't dared to try and upgrade those packages again, because life without x-window just isn't very much fun. I don't have any real problem using the old versions of those 11 packages, but if the xbase-client developer or anyone else wise in the ways of deb packages has had insight as to *why* xbase-client won't install on my system, then I would love to hear about it. I was specifically curious whether whatever action resulted in my bug report being closed involved insight that might be helpful to me. Anyway, thanks again for your time. Nathaniel On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Seth Arnold wrote: * Rounds Nathaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001130 16:38]: I don't know if you have access to the original bug report, but I tried Heh, the wonderful thing about debian is that the bug reports are all available via a filesystem rather than through CGI business. So, all the debian bug reports get indexed via altavista and google and whatnot. When doing searches for only vaugely related topics, the debian bug tracking system is often high on the list. :) At any rate, no method of installation I tried -- including a force install on the specific deb file using dpkg -- worked when I was playing with all of this a few months ago, I am just curious if "fixed in -7" means that I have any reason to expect things to go better if I try again. So does this mean that your package system has been broken for several months? (Since submitting this, which I think was in mid august..) Thanks a lot for responding so quicking -- even though Debian is a free system, I've gotten more support from you guys than Apple or Microsoft ever gave me. Amen. Nearly all free software projects will give the same level of support. (OpenBSD's misc@ group for instance discusses code patches with the primary architect of the whole setup; I worry about what goes on in the tech@ group. I remember one user asking a question, and within ten minutes, he had four answers all suggesting which manpage he needed to read. :) The one time I called MS, it took four techs and two hours to sort out that `autodetect' doesn't work on many network cards. And, I still pine for the days when MS's knowledge base was easy to use. *sigh* In the end, I think most of us remember our early days of stumbling blindly, and want to help make that process fun for newcomers :) , and most of us have our own strange questions that require the help of still more experienced users. Now if only I had a clue about your current problem. (BTW -- as long as you have the .debs on your system, you can revert to them at any time. Well, within C library versions I think this is the case. :) Cheers :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my system completly, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
Goodness; what a horrible .signature. That would be a real incentive for me to find a different employer. :) [Branden: it isn't Craig that you need to worry about -- it is RMS! :] In the meantime Otto, check your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file for a fontpath element that is a unix-domain socket, possibly on port 6601 or something similar. If you have one, try commenting it out. That has caused problems for many people. In order to get more information, try looking for /var/log/XFree86* files. With luck, it managed to write out as much as possible before dying. [Branden, do you know if our good friends at XFree86.org turn off buffering for these files? :] It is possible your USB mouse is giving trouble, but boy I hope that it wouldn't cause crashes this severe. shrug Cheers :) * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001130 01:50]: Guess I'm violating the license on this mail by forwarding it. Maybe Craig Sanders and this guy would like to file a class-action copyright infringment suit against me... - Forwarded message from Wyss, Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Wyss, Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my system completly, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:43:25 +0100 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Server-Uuid: a46faee8-2a4f-11d3-9c63-00508b4fa69c Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) X-WSS-ID: 1638DAFD80403-01-01 I have an uptodate woody (11/27/2000) with kernel 2.4.0-test11 (i386) using framebuffer support on an ATI Mach64. Now XFree 4.0.1-8 using fbdev (started with startx) crashes my system so worse, that I neither can't switch to any console nor get a connection across the network (telnet, ping). All I can do to get out of a completly blank screen is pressing the hard reset button. My setup used to work with XFree 3.3.6 and kernel 2.4.0-test5. Now how do I retrieve any useful information after the restart of my system, so I can make a useful bug report? What else can I do to help resolve this crash, i.e. kernel with debug support? Does my USB-keyboard/-mouse have an influence in this crash? Or is there any other package I might have to look at? Could you provide my a bash script with all the necessary commands, since I'm not very used to X? How do I install X so I could use/test version 3 and 4 through different startups (startx3/starx4)? O. Wyss PS. If you aren't the right person, could you please forward this message? --- PPS. Sorry for the following text, I can't stop it :-( - NOTICE - This message may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information and is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not use, disseminate, copy it in any form or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please delete it and any copies of it and notify CREDIT SUISSE ASSET MANAGEMENT immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message specifically states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of CREDIT SUISSE ASSET MANAGEMENT. CREDIT SUISSE GROUP, CREDIT SUISSE FIRST BOSTON, and each legal entity in the CREDIT SUISSE FIRST BOSTON or CREDIT SUISSE ASSET MANAGEMENT business units of CREDIT SUISSE FIRST BOSTON reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux |It tastes good. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-- Bill Clinton http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr: Bug#68389: [nrounds@haverford.edu: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7)]]
Nathaniel, you are right -- reporting a bug against -10 and hearing it is fixed in -7 is a little strange. WRT your error message, I have approached similar problems in the past by using dpkg directly on the apt-downloaded .deb packages, using the --force-overwrite option. The problem isn't the actual presence of a file there -- it is two packages that claim to own the file. My guess says your collection of packages may have the xconsole.real package moving around from one package to the next between upgrades. I don't know how well apt and/or dpkg would handle these situations. (BTW -- when using apt to upgrade from slink to potato, using dist-upgrade instead of just upgrade may take care of some of these issues... ) I hope this helps explain things. I don't know for sure what happened in your case, but usually force-overwrite does the right thing. :) * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001130 11:47]: - Forwarded message from Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Zdenek Kabelac [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bug#68389: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7)] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:24:31 +0100 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-From: Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-To: debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org Resent-Cc: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:33:11 GMT Resent-Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Debian-PR-Message: report 68389 X-Debian-PR-Package: xbase-clients X-Debian-PR-Keywords: X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Forwarded message from Nathaniel Rounds [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Delivery-date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:01:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:03:39 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Rounds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian Bug Tracking System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7) I assume that this email is going to a real person Hi. I am glad to hear that someone has looked at the bug report that I sent in, but I can't say that I particularly understood the attached explaination. Here's my dilemia: I had trouble updating xbase-client, and thus the bulk of x-window software from slink to potato. When potato became the stable debain release, I figured I'd better upgrade, but I held the slink versions of xbase-client and the various x-window applications which depend ot it and upgraded the rest of my system. So here is my problem: if I install the potato versions and they still don't work, I won't have the slink versions to go back to (I don't think I can get them from debian anymore) and so I will be left without a working x-window. No fun. Perhaps if you (and by you I mean Darren Benham, his associates, or any wise unix guru who runs accross my email) could explain exactly what the developer did in closing my bug report (#68389), I could figure out if I can upgrade with minimal fear of hosing my system. Thanks a lot, Nathaniel Rounds [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: This is an automatic notification regarding your Bug report #68389: xbase-clients: package preinst needs to get rid of xconsole alternative, which was filed against the xbase-clients package. It has been closed by one of the developers, namely Zdenek Kabelac [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Their explanation is attached below. If this explanation is unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate message then please contact the developer directly, or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or me. Darren Benham (administrator, Debian Bugs database) Received: (at 77550-done) by bugs.debian.org; 22 Nov 2000 14:18:11 + From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 22 08:18:10 2000 Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33] by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian)) id 13yaiv-vl-00; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:18:09 -0600 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19965 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from dual.fi.muni.cz ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [147.251.51.21]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25151 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from kabi by dual.fi.muni.cz with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian)) id 13yait-0001rw-00; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:07 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: fixed with -7 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Zdenek Kabelac [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:07 +0100 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr: Bug#68389: [nrounds@haverford.edu: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7)]]
* Rounds Nathaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001130 16:38]: I don't know if you have access to the original bug report, but I tried Heh, the wonderful thing about debian is that the bug reports are all available via a filesystem rather than through CGI business. So, all the debian bug reports get indexed via altavista and google and whatnot. When doing searches for only vaugely related topics, the debian bug tracking system is often high on the list. :) At any rate, no method of installation I tried -- including a force install on the specific deb file using dpkg -- worked when I was playing with all of this a few months ago, I am just curious if fixed in -7 means that I have any reason to expect things to go better if I try again. So does this mean that your package system has been broken for several months? (Since submitting this, which I think was in mid august..) Thanks a lot for responding so quicking -- even though Debian is a free system, I've gotten more support from you guys than Apple or Microsoft ever gave me. Amen. Nearly all free software projects will give the same level of support. (OpenBSD's misc@ group for instance discusses code patches with the primary architect of the whole setup; I worry about what goes on in the tech@ group. I remember one user asking a question, and within ten minutes, he had four answers all suggesting which manpage he needed to read. :) The one time I called MS, it took four techs and two hours to sort out that `autodetect' doesn't work on many network cards. And, I still pine for the days when MS's knowledge base was easy to use. *sigh* In the end, I think most of us remember our early days of stumbling blindly, and want to help make that process fun for newcomers :) , and most of us have our own strange questions that require the help of still more experienced users. Now if only I had a clue about your current problem. (BTW -- as long as you have the .debs on your system, you can revert to them at any time. Well, within C library versions I think this is the case. :) Cheers :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr: Bug#68389: [nrounds@haverford.edu: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7)]]
Oh man, we have two very different ideas of systems. I felt slink was far too old to bother with when I was running potato, and if someone asked me to go back to potato today, I would be driven up the wall. :) I don't know why your report was closed. My guess is, whoever closed it simply raced through the report, and it looked similar to problems with the 4.0.1 series, and the closer knew that it was fixed in 4.0.1-7. This is just a guess though. shrug I don't know what your best bet is -- waiting for woody to become the new stable is probably going to be a long wait indeed. :-/ * Rounds Nathaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001130 19:30]: So here's the deal. Yes, it has been a few months since I first submitted this, but 1) my semester started in september (I am a junior at haverford college, as the email address suggests) so I have had very little time since mid-august to play sys-admin and tinker with my linux system. And 2) My system isn't really broken. I did more or less break it the first time I upgraded to potato using dist-upgrade, in august, because x-window needed several packages which depend on xbase-client. I solved the problem by going back to the old version (slink?) to get everything back up and running. When it became clear that xbase-client wasn't going to happen, I held the old versions of everything that depended on the new xbase-client -- 11 deb packages -- and upgraded everything else. So my system is working fine, I just haven't dared to try and upgrade those packages again, because life without x-window just isn't very much fun. I don't have any real problem using the old versions of those 11 packages, but if the xbase-client developer or anyone else wise in the ways of deb packages has had insight as to *why* xbase-client won't install on my system, then I would love to hear about it. I was specifically curious whether whatever action resulted in my bug report being closed involved insight that might be helpful to me. Anyway, thanks again for your time. Nathaniel On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Seth Arnold wrote: * Rounds Nathaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001130 16:38]: I don't know if you have access to the original bug report, but I tried Heh, the wonderful thing about debian is that the bug reports are all available via a filesystem rather than through CGI business. So, all the debian bug reports get indexed via altavista and google and whatnot. When doing searches for only vaugely related topics, the debian bug tracking system is often high on the list. :) At any rate, no method of installation I tried -- including a force install on the specific deb file using dpkg -- worked when I was playing with all of this a few months ago, I am just curious if fixed in -7 means that I have any reason to expect things to go better if I try again. So does this mean that your package system has been broken for several months? (Since submitting this, which I think was in mid august..) Thanks a lot for responding so quicking -- even though Debian is a free system, I've gotten more support from you guys than Apple or Microsoft ever gave me. Amen. Nearly all free software projects will give the same level of support. (OpenBSD's misc@ group for instance discusses code patches with the primary architect of the whole setup; I worry about what goes on in the tech@ group. I remember one user asking a question, and within ten minutes, he had four answers all suggesting which manpage he needed to read. :) The one time I called MS, it took four techs and two hours to sort out that `autodetect' doesn't work on many network cards. And, I still pine for the days when MS's knowledge base was easy to use. *sigh* In the end, I think most of us remember our early days of stumbling blindly, and want to help make that process fun for newcomers :) , and most of us have our own strange questions that require the help of still more experienced users. Now if only I had a clue about your current problem. (BTW -- as long as you have the .debs on your system, you can revert to them at any time. Well, within C library versions I think this is the case. :) Cheers :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: upgrading to the X4 server
* Johannes Zellner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001129 16:55]: is there any documentation how to upgrade from a 3.3.6 Server to the 4.x server? No, I don't think there is. However, this might help you: (And no, I don't know why I installed the proxy, frame buffer deal, nested X server, or what uses the X print server.. :) $ dpkg -l '*x*' | grep 4.0.1 ii lbxproxy 4.0.1-8Low Bandwidth X (LBX) proxy server ii libxaw-dev 4.0.1-8X Athena widget set library development file ii libxaw64.0.1-8X Athena widget set library (version 6) ii libxaw74.0.1-8X Athena widget set library ii proxymngr 4.0.1-8X proxy services manager ii xbase-clients 4.0.1-8miscellaneous X clients ii xfonts-100dpi 4.0.1-8100 dpi fonts for X ii xfonts-75dpi 4.0.1-875 dpi fonts for X ii xfonts-base4.0.1-8standard fonts for X ii xfonts-pex 4.0.1-8fonts for minimal PEX support in X ii xfonts-scalabl 4.0.1-8scalable fonts for X ii xfree86-common 4.0.1-8X Window System (XFree86) infrastructure ii xfwp 4.0.1-8X firewall proxy server ii xlib6g 4.0.1-8pseudopackage providing X libraries ii xlib6g-dev 4.0.1-8pseudopackage providing X library developmen ii xlibmesa3 4.0.1-8XFree86 version of Mesa 3D graphics library ii xlibosmesa34.0.1-8XFree86 version of Mesa off-screen rendering ii xlibs 4.0.1-8X Window System client libraries ii xlibs-dev 4.0.1-8X Window System client library development f ii xnest 4.0.1-8nested X server ii xprt 4.0.1-8X print server ii xserver-common 4.0.1-8files and utilities common to all X servers ii xserver-xfree8 4.0.1-8the XFree86 X server ii xterm 4.0.1-8X terminal emulator ii xutils 4.0.1-8XFree86 utility programs ii xvfb 4.0.1-8virtual framebuffer X server -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: modules for the X 4.x server
* Johannes Zellner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001129 18:19]: is there a location where I can find information about all the modules which are coming with the new X Server ? Short of the source, I think my XF86Config-4 file is the closest thing around. :) $ cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | grep -i load Load "ddc" Load "bitmap" Load "speedo" Load "vbe" Load "int10" Load "GLcore" Load "dbe" Load "dri" Load "extmod" Load "glx" Load "pex5" Load "record" Load "xie" Load "freetype" Load "type1" God only knows what int10 and record does. I also probably don't need some of these (actually, glx/dri doesn't work in my current dual-head setup, so removing those might actually help! :) -- but what the hey, it mostly works great. :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrading to the X4 server
* Johannes Zellner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001129 16:55]: is there any documentation how to upgrade from a 3.3.6 Server to the 4.x server? No, I don't think there is. However, this might help you: (And no, I don't know why I installed the proxy, frame buffer deal, nested X server, or what uses the X print server.. :) $ dpkg -l '*x*' | grep 4.0.1 ii lbxproxy 4.0.1-8Low Bandwidth X (LBX) proxy server ii libxaw-dev 4.0.1-8X Athena widget set library development file ii libxaw64.0.1-8X Athena widget set library (version 6) ii libxaw74.0.1-8X Athena widget set library ii proxymngr 4.0.1-8X proxy services manager ii xbase-clients 4.0.1-8miscellaneous X clients ii xfonts-100dpi 4.0.1-8100 dpi fonts for X ii xfonts-75dpi 4.0.1-875 dpi fonts for X ii xfonts-base4.0.1-8standard fonts for X ii xfonts-pex 4.0.1-8fonts for minimal PEX support in X ii xfonts-scalabl 4.0.1-8scalable fonts for X ii xfree86-common 4.0.1-8X Window System (XFree86) infrastructure ii xfwp 4.0.1-8X firewall proxy server ii xlib6g 4.0.1-8pseudopackage providing X libraries ii xlib6g-dev 4.0.1-8pseudopackage providing X library developmen ii xlibmesa3 4.0.1-8XFree86 version of Mesa 3D graphics library ii xlibosmesa34.0.1-8XFree86 version of Mesa off-screen rendering ii xlibs 4.0.1-8X Window System client libraries ii xlibs-dev 4.0.1-8X Window System client library development f ii xnest 4.0.1-8nested X server ii xprt 4.0.1-8X print server ii xserver-common 4.0.1-8files and utilities common to all X servers ii xserver-xfree8 4.0.1-8the XFree86 X server ii xterm 4.0.1-8X terminal emulator ii xutils 4.0.1-8XFree86 utility programs ii xvfb 4.0.1-8virtual framebuffer X server -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: X 4 xf86cfg
* Johannes Zellner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001129 18:14]: wow, my X4 is already running. But when I try to use xf86cfg I get a message: Cannot open Cards database. what am I missing? Line 164 in changelog.Debian.gz for xfree86-common: * debian/xserver-xfree86.*: stop shipping xf86config tool and related files -- TEMPORARILY -- it will be back in a future Debian release I think this was done because these tools worked only occasionally. I was lucky, and mine worked like a charm. For most people, it did the whole segfault sort of thing. :-/ -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: modules for the X 4.x server
* Johannes Zellner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001129 18:19]: is there a location where I can find information about all the modules which are coming with the new X Server ? Short of the source, I think my XF86Config-4 file is the closest thing around. :) $ cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | grep -i load Load ddc Load bitmap Load speedo Load vbe Load int10 Load GLcore Load dbe Load dri Load extmod Load glx Load pex5 Load record Load xie Load freetype Load type1 God only knows what int10 and record does. I also probably don't need some of these (actually, glx/dri doesn't work in my current dual-head setup, so removing those might actually help! :) -- but what the hey, it mostly works great. :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: NV r128 problems with 4.0.1-8
[Sorry for quick reply, class starts soon :] Jelmer, I too have noticed this. I normally run mozilla instead of netscsape navigator 4.x, but it most definately corresponds to the browser -- click *poof*, drag *poof*, etc. I too am running a 2.4.0 kernel, 2.4.0-test10. I am running these on an SMP machine; I wonder if that has anything to do with it? (Compiles work wonderfully well, so I do not believe the issue is my memory...) * Jelmer Feenstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001128 04:34]: Hi, This has been happening for quite some time now. X flies back into textmode every once in a while with a signal 11 caught. I really don't have a clue which could be causing this behaviour. The last 3 (or so) crashes were while I was using netscape. I'm running Linux kernel version 2.4.0-test8. I already posted something similar on this list and got a reply I had a Voodoo 3/4/5 which I obviously don't :) I checked the mailinglist archives but couldn't find what could be causing the signal 11's, I did find another problem I used to have, the X freezing because of having a fontserver entry in FontPath. Any ideas how to get rid of the random crashes ? Thanks in advance, Jelmer Feenstra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[branden@deadbeast.net: [wmhardrock@hotmail.com: Broken badly]]
Vincent, please don't email branden directly -- for details of debian packaging, debian-x is the correct forum; for general debian integration, debian-user is probably the correct forum; for general X questions, the xfree86.org lists are probably correct. In the meantime, try directly installing/upgrading debconf before the various X packages. Sometime this won't be necessary, but I do not know how long that is -- I asked about it many months ago. :) - Forwarded message from Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Envelope-to: sarnold@localhost Delivery-date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:10:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:08:01 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:06:59 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Broken badly] Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Branden Robinson) Resent-Message-ID: u67mlB.A.Ba.lBBJ6@murphy Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] archive/latest/1715 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Bcc: debconf - Forwarded message from Vincent Foley [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: "Vincent Foley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Broken badly Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:54:11 -0500 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Originating-IP: [207.61.209.248] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2000 18:54:11.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[987CF540:01C0596C] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I run woody oon my box at home andI have a problem with Xfree86 4.0.1-8. When I apt-got xserver-xfree86, it wouldn't finish installing it, because there was a programmation error somewhere. It was a bash error, on line 1, it says that there's a bad EOF : `'' And this prevents me from using X. Could you see what's wrong? Because I'm about to reinstall potato (and I don't want to do that, but I'll do if I have to). Please tell me what I can do to fix this mess, or how I can get 3.3.6 back on my system. Vincent _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson|If you wish to strive for peace of soul, Debian GNU/Linux |then believe; if you wish to be a [EMAIL PROTECTED] |devotee of truth, then inquire. http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ |-- Friedrich Nietzsche - End forwarded message - -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[branden@deadbeast.net: [alex_f@uclink4.berkeley.edu: xc/lib/Xaw/Text.c truncated in xfree86-1, 3.3.6-11]]
Alex, Branden suggests checking the amount of drive space you have free. This seems wise enough, though I imagine you wouldn otice the problem elsewhere. How about quotas? Are you running into quotas? Considering that something builds, I am imagining that it wasn't a problem for whoever built 3.3.6-11 (is that still branden? :) and is more likely an issue on your local machine. And, future emails similar to this would best be aimed at debian-x@ or debian-user@ -- a much wider distribution than simply branden, and probably a lot faster too. :) - Forwarded message from Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Envelope-to: sarnold@localhost Delivery-date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:15:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:10:11 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:08:19 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: xc/lib/Xaw/Text.c truncated in xfree86-1, 3.3.6-11] Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Branden Robinson) Resent-Message-ID: 42fUnD.A._OB.1CBJ6@murphy Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] archive/latest/1716 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Bcc: df ? - Forwarded message from Alex Fabrikant [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Alex Fabrikant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: xc/lib/Xaw/Text.c truncated in xfree86-1, 3.3.6-11 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:06:04 -0800 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en I'm trying to rebuild xfree, under 2.2 stable. When I apt-get source xfree86-1, the tarball has file "xc/lib/Xaw/Text.c" truncated, apparently in a random place in the file, in the middle of line 2267 [at byte 68608] -- `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` Alex Fabrikant)\._.,--,'``. [EMAIL PROTECTED] /, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. ICQ UIN: 1783262'._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson|"To be is to do" -- Plato Debian GNU/Linux |"To do is to be" -- Aristotle [EMAIL PROTECTED] |"Do be do be do" -- Sinatra http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | - End forwarded message - -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NV r128 problems with 4.0.1-8
[Sorry for quick reply, class starts soon :] Jelmer, I too have noticed this. I normally run mozilla instead of netscsape navigator 4.x, but it most definately corresponds to the browser -- click *poof*, drag *poof*, etc. I too am running a 2.4.0 kernel, 2.4.0-test10. I am running these on an SMP machine; I wonder if that has anything to do with it? (Compiles work wonderfully well, so I do not believe the issue is my memory...) * Jelmer Feenstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001128 04:34]: Hi, This has been happening for quite some time now. X flies back into textmode every once in a while with a signal 11 caught. I really don't have a clue which could be causing this behaviour. The last 3 (or so) crashes were while I was using netscape. I'm running Linux kernel version 2.4.0-test8. I already posted something similar on this list and got a reply I had a Voodoo 3/4/5 which I obviously don't :) I checked the mailinglist archives but couldn't find what could be causing the signal 11's, I did find another problem I used to have, the X freezing because of having a fontserver entry in FontPath. Any ideas how to get rid of the random crashes ? Thanks in advance, Jelmer Feenstra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
[branden@deadbeast.net: [wmhardrock@hotmail.com: Broken badly]]
Vincent, please don't email branden directly -- for details of debian packaging, debian-x is the correct forum; for general debian integration, debian-user is probably the correct forum; for general X questions, the xfree86.org lists are probably correct. In the meantime, try directly installing/upgrading debconf before the various X packages. Sometime this won't be necessary, but I do not know how long that is -- I asked about it many months ago. :) - Forwarded message from Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:10:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:08:01 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:06:59 -0500 To: debian-x@lists.debian.org Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Broken badly] Mail-Followup-To: debian-x@lists.debian.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Branden Robinson) Resent-Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-From: debian-x@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: debian-x@lists.debian.org archive/latest/1715 X-Loop: debian-x@lists.debian.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Bcc: debconf - Forwarded message from Vincent Foley [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Vincent Foley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Broken badly Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:54:11 -0500 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Originating-IP: [207.61.209.248] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2000 18:54:11.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[987CF540:01C0596C] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I run woody oon my box at home andI have a problem with Xfree86 4.0.1-8. When I apt-got xserver-xfree86, it wouldn't finish installing it, because there was a programmation error somewhere. It was a bash error, on line 1, it says that there's a bad EOF : `'' And this prevents me from using X. Could you see what's wrong? Because I'm about to reinstall potato (and I don't want to do that, but I'll do if I have to). Please tell me what I can do to fix this mess, or how I can get 3.3.6 back on my system. Vincent _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson|If you wish to strive for peace of soul, Debian GNU/Linux |then believe; if you wish to be a [EMAIL PROTECTED] |devotee of truth, then inquire. http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ |-- Friedrich Nietzsche - End forwarded message - -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
[branden@deadbeast.net: [alex_f@uclink4.berkeley.edu: xc/lib/Xaw/Text.c truncated in xfree86-1, 3.3.6-11]]
Alex, Branden suggests checking the amount of drive space you have free. This seems wise enough, though I imagine you wouldn otice the problem elsewhere. How about quotas? Are you running into quotas? Considering that something builds, I am imagining that it wasn't a problem for whoever built 3.3.6-11 (is that still branden? :) and is more likely an issue on your local machine. And, future emails similar to this would best be aimed at debian-x@ or debian-user@ -- a much wider distribution than simply branden, and probably a lot faster too. :) - Forwarded message from Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:15:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:10:11 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:08:19 -0500 To: debian-x@lists.debian.org Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: xc/lib/Xaw/Text.c truncated in xfree86-1, 3.3.6-11] Mail-Followup-To: debian-x@lists.debian.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Branden Robinson) Resent-Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-From: debian-x@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: debian-x@lists.debian.org archive/latest/1716 X-Loop: debian-x@lists.debian.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Bcc: df ? - Forwarded message from Alex Fabrikant [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Alex Fabrikant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: xc/lib/Xaw/Text.c truncated in xfree86-1, 3.3.6-11 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:06:04 -0800 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en I'm trying to rebuild xfree, under 2.2 stable. When I apt-get source xfree86-1, the tarball has file xc/lib/Xaw/Text.c truncated, apparently in a random place in the file, in the middle of line 2267 [at byte 68608] -- `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` Alex Fabrikant)\._.,--,'``. [EMAIL PROTECTED] /, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. ICQ UIN: 1783262'._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson|To be is to do -- Plato Debian GNU/Linux |To do is to be -- Aristotle [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Do be do be do -- Sinatra http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | - End forwarded message - -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
app-defaults
I get an error of this sort: Preparing to replace xlibs 4.0.1-7 (using .../xlibs_4.0.1-8_i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement xlibs ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_4.0.1-8_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults', which is also in package xscreensaver dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Should I file a bugreport against xscreensaver? What is the correct thing to do? Thanks :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
app-defaults
I get an error of this sort: Preparing to replace xlibs 4.0.1-7 (using .../xlibs_4.0.1-8_i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement xlibs ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_4.0.1-8_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults', which is also in package xscreensaver dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Should I file a bugreport against xscreensaver? What is the correct thing to do? Thanks :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [andreas@schuldei.org: xterm keyboard]
On top of that, if he wants harsh, he should read posts by Theo de Raadt or D.J. Bernstein (sp?) some time. Someone even drew a rough picture of Theo clubbing someone for not reading manpages. :- Hehehe. * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001121 22:41]: I'm not even sure what he's talking about. Most North Americans know nothing of deadkeys. I'm certainly among them. (I know what they are, but none of the specifics he seems to expect.) - Forwarded message from Andreas Schuldei [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Andreas Schuldei [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: xterm keyboard Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:09:10 +0100 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Does your keybord support e.g. Alt-. and friends? Mine (german nodeadkeys) never did. other terminals (kde or gnome terminals for example) work well. I looked at your privat website and was surprised at how young and normal you look. You sound much harsher on the mailinglists... - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | The software said it required Windows [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 3.1 or better, so I installed Linux. http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [giuliano@ronchiato.it: X 4.0.1-6: problems]
Giuliano, I posted much the same question as your #1 yesterday, and someone had posted a response to my question shortly after I asked. Check the debian-x archives for their response. :) Regarding xf86cfg, this is to be expected. It is not nearly ready to be called a production tool. You can use dexter(1) to generate an XF86Config-4 file, or you can write one yourself. (See XF86Config(5).) And, I haven't a clue how to make the keyboard go. * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001121 22:41]: - Forwarded message from Giuliano Grandin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Giuliano Grandin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: X 4.0.1-6: problems Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:28:48 +0100 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.15 i686) X-Accept-Language: it, en Dear Mr. Branden, I'm Giuliano Grandin and I write from Italy. I have three problemss. 1. I have just downloaded Xfree 4.0.1-6, but at the end of the process of upgrading from 4.0.1-5, I got an error message and couldn't go on in any way. The message said that there was an error in the post-installation script of xserver-xfree86, the code number is 1 (one). Neither `dpkg --configure --pending', nor `apt-get -f install' could resolve the situation. 2. All the versions of XFree 4 gave me a message, and I can't use the keys of the italian keyboard obtained by pressing ALT-Gr and another key (for the at-sign for emails, for example). This is the message: The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Error:Can't find file xfree86 for keycodes include Exiting Abandoning keycodes file default Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap 3. xf86cfg hangs when I use it: if I use CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE I can exit it. Can you give me some help, please? Some docs to read? tia Giuliano Grandin - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson| I came, I saw, she conquered. The Debian GNU/Linux | original Latin seems to have been [EMAIL PROTECTED] | garbled. http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | -- Robert Heinlein -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
xserver-xfree86 postinst fails in 4.0.1-6
Branden, my roommate is having trouble with the 4.0.1-6 upgrade. He started out with a previous 4.0.1-x release, likely -3, -4 or -5. The error message returned is that the postinst failed. We have received two different error messages -- exit status 1 and exit status 5. Running startx as a user gives this: var: allowed_users, value: rootonly. var: nice_value, value: . X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting. giving up. xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): server error. His dialog and debconf are up to date. (Making the /etc/X11/X symlink ourselves did not make matters better. :) We have tried dpkg-reconfigure debconf, selecting dialog and medium severity, do not ask questions multiple times. This would not allow us to progess any further with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-free86. Trying dpkg-reconfigure debconf, selecting dialog, low severity, ask questions multiple times, we get prompted with the ``hello new users, /etc/X11, hit enter'' screen when running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but then the script dies, error status 1. At no time can we run dpkg --configure xserver-xfree86 because the xserver-xfree86 package is not completely installed. (Yes, we were a bit confused.) Changing the /etc/alternatives/perl to point to perl5.00503 (from perl5.6.0) did not improve the situation. It got much worse in a real hurry. Sadly, we cannot help diagnose the problem much, as we are going on thanksgiving break Real Soon Now. :-/ If you have any suggestions, that would be fine. My best guess is that deleting and reinstalling may be required, but .. bed time calls. :) Thanks Branden! :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
[oryn@mysteriousways.co.uk: Re: r128 driver broken]
Another person helped by removing the unix-domain-socket font server from the XF86Config-4. Would this be a good question to put into the FAQs that no one ever seems to read? :) (Or perhaps this means the decision to put the unix-domain-socket X font server into the XF86Config-4 file needs to be re-examined?) ;) [hmm. I'm sorry to notice my .sig did not survive oryn's quoting... I'll change that. :] - Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Envelope-to: sarnold@localhost Delivery-date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 02:01:04 -0800 To: Seth Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: r128 driver broken Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:59:48 + (GMT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.3 Thanx alot :))) that fixed it :) Quoting Seth Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001117 08:56]: I notice that the r128 driver no longer works as of 4.0.1-4, I'm not sure why the symptoms are that the screen goes black and the keyboard stops working, the machine doesn't lock up but I have to telnet to it in order the shut it down. Oryn, just for kicks, edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file, and comment out the FontPath line that uses the unix domain socket on port 7100 (if my memory serves). That has been causing problems with other people. -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' - End forwarded message - -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ketil@ii.uib.no: Bug#77511: relationships between packages for 3d support]
Ketil, the problem is, it *is* a complex relationship. Trying to explain the relationship in a package description is going to either bloat the package descriptions to many many pages, or will drive the author of any such description to commit themselves to a nearby mental institution. The main problem is keeping track of who did what when. Precision Insight has worked on integrating direct rendering into X based on a grant from SGI of technology, using Mesa-supplied code to support things in the meantime, all the while relying upon the kernel guys to include AGPGART support, and other people to write drivers capable of using the DRI technology as kernel modules (dri.sourceforge.net). Of course, all of this is complicated with the various versions of mesa (including the utah-mesa or mesa-utah people supporting similar things under X 3.3.x), X, and kernels available, and the occasional driver supplied by the card makers (often only available as a binary) for specific kernel versions, and compounded by Debian's ability to have practically everything available installed at once. It is even more complex with 3dfx cards. (Zephaniah will attest to this in a heartbeat I think. :) You will need the xlibmesa and xlibosmesa libraries installed. You will also need the 3dfx kernel module, which is probably available as a backport for some of the 2.2.x series, and probably available for 2.2.18-presomething, as well as being in the 2.4.0-testsomething series. I am pretty sure you will need some additional packages for your 3dfx card. Check the debian-x archives (if debian does not host any, I imagine geocrawler has archives available) -- search for emails from Zephaniah E. Hull [EMAIL PROTECTED] as he has done a wonderful job describing just what is required in getting those goofy 3dfx cards to work well. :- All told, it isn't as easy as it would like to be -- but I have a feeling that once 2.4.0 is out, and 4.0.x is the predominate version of X available, that support will improve over time to the point of simplicity. But it won't happen overnight. Cheers. * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001120 00:52]: - Forwarded message from Ketil Malde [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Ketil Malde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bug#77511: relationships between packages for 3d support Date: 20 Nov 2000 09:44:09 +0100 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Ketil Malde [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-From: Ketil Malde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Orignal-Sender: Ketil Malde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-To: debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org Resent-Cc: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:48:02 GMT Resent-Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Debian-PR-Message: report 77511 X-Debian-PR-Package: xserver-xfree86 X-Debian-PR-Keywords: X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Package: xserver-xfree86 Severity: wishlist Hi, After getting XFree 4 to work with the tdfx module, I'm now trying to get accelerated 3D. It appears that, according to http://dri.sourceforge.net/DRIuserguide.html that I need the 3dfx DRI kernel module, GLX modules for XFree86, and an XFree-supplied libGL - and, in particular, *not* libGL from Mesa, nor libglide - is this correct? As it is now, when I try to run a 3d demo like gears, I get a message about setting a 3DFX env var, and it appears to be unaccelerated, software only. An artifact of retaining Mesa with Glide, I suppose. So, for the wishlist, I'd think the package descriptions for XFree86, as well as Glide/Mesa might do well to describe the relationship and compatibilities in a bit more detail. As it is now, the Glide packages suggests their installation if you have an appropriate card, for instance. And perhaps have libGL from XFree (is it included? where?) to conflict with libGL from Mesa (although one might want to retain it under the libMesaGL name, of course)? The whole thing probably makes sense when you know how it's supposed to work, but with only a rudimentary overview of the packages, it's hard to figure out, I think. -kzm -- If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson|Experience should teach us to be most on Debian GNU/Linux |our guard to protect liberty when the [EMAIL PROTECTED] |government's purposes are beneficent. http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ |-- Louis Brandeis -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
[oryn@mysteriousways.co.uk: Re: r128 driver broken]
Another person helped by removing the unix-domain-socket font server from the XF86Config-4. Would this be a good question to put into the FAQs that no one ever seems to read? :) (Or perhaps this means the decision to put the unix-domain-socket X font server into the XF86Config-4 file needs to be re-examined?) ;) [hmm. I'm sorry to notice my .sig did not survive oryn's quoting... I'll change that. :] - Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 02:01:04 -0800 To: Seth Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: r128 driver broken Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:59:48 + (GMT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.3 Thanx alot :))) that fixed it :) Quoting Seth Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001117 08:56]: I notice that the r128 driver no longer works as of 4.0.1-4, I'm not sure why the symptoms are that the screen goes black and the keyboard stops working, the machine doesn't lock up but I have to telnet to it in order the shut it down. Oryn, just for kicks, edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file, and comment out the FontPath line that uses the unix domain socket on port 7100 (if my memory serves). That has been causing problems with other people. -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' - End forwarded message - -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
[ketil@ii.uib.no: Re: [ketil@ii.uib.no: Bug#77511: relationships between packages for 3d support]]
Sadly, the package system isn't mature enough (I don't think) to be able to say, if version x.x.x of package P is installed, then install version y.y.y of package Q -- otherwise, install version z.z.z or package R. As for standardizing on a 3d architecture, do realize that there are many video cards supported only under 3.3.x, and some video cards that are only supported under 4.0.1. It would not be kind to tell owners of either card, ``Stick with potato or buy a different card''. Furthermore, very few users are actually interested in hard-ware accelerated 3d graphics, whereas X is of utmost importance to the majority of users. In the end, Branden can only do what he has done thus far -- make it possible for all users to run X, and make it possible for those with accelerated 3d cards to run DRI under X, all without having to use CVS. It is an impossible job, and somehow Branden has pulled it off. :) It is still up to the user to figure out which subset of packages available will best meet the user's individual needs. :-/ The xlib*mesa3 libraries supply different libraries: $ dpkg -L xlibosmesa3 /. /usr /usr/X11R6 /usr/X11R6/lib /usr/X11R6/lib/libOSMesa.so.3.3 /usr/X11R6/lib/libOSMesa.so.3 /usr/share /usr/share/doc /usr/share/doc/xlibosmesa3 /usr/share/doc/xlibosmesa3/copyright /usr/share/doc/xlibosmesa3/changelog.Debian.gz $ dpkg -L xlibmesa3 /. /usr /usr/lib /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1.3 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 /usr/share /usr/share/doc /usr/share/doc/xlibmesa3 /usr/share/doc/xlibmesa3/copyright /usr/share/doc/xlibmesa3/changelog.Debian.gz Both are needed. Cheers :) - Forwarded message from Ketil Malde [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 04:18:00 -0800 To: Seth Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bug#77511: relationships between packages for 3d support] From: Ketil Malde [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: Seth Arnold's message of Mon, 20 Nov 2000 02:14:17 -0800 Date: 20 Nov 2000 13:16:58 +0100 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) Seth Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ketil, the problem is, it *is* a complex relationship. Trying to explain the relationship in a package description is going to either bloat the package descriptions to many many pages, or will drive the author of any such description to commit themselves to a nearby mental institution. Well, I was hoping the Glide packages would be able to say if you use XFree86 v4, you don't need/shouldn't install this package. If that is indeed the case. and compounded by Debian's ability to have practically everything available installed at once. Yes. Shouldn't it be possible for Debian (or each of the stable/unstable branches, at least) to standardize on a 3D infrastructure? At least Woody ought, IMHO, to go towards adoption of XFree/DRI, and warn against obsolescent packages that clutter up things. It is even more complex with 3dfx cards. (Zephaniah will attest to this in a heartbeat I think. :) I can't make mine work in Windows either, if that's a consolation. You will need the xlibmesa and xlibosmesa libraries installed. Are these the libGL that the DRI page talks about? You will also need the 3dfx kernel module There's source in Debian, too, for that matter. Check the debian-x archives Will do. All told, it isn't as easy as it would like to be -- but I have a feeling that once 2.4.0 is out, and 4.0.x is the predominate version of X available, that support will improve over time to the point of simplicity. But it won't happen overnight. If this is indeed the ultimate target, I'd really like Woody to focus on it. Anyway, thanks for your clarification. When I get a grasp of these things, I might sit down with Sketch and try to make some visual representations of the various ways to get 3D performance (XFree 4, Utah GLX, Mesa-glide - anything else?) Thanks, -kzm -- If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants - End forwarded message - -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [yori_h@nifty.com: (bug) xserver-xfree86_4.0.1-5]
* Taketoshi Sano [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001119 05:00]: Or you mean just the man page symlinking ? If so, excuse me for my confusion. Yes, man page symlinks. :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
