Re: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions
Hi everyone, This note is a follow-up to this discussion thread. Around the middle of April, the CloudStack PMC received an e-mail indicating (to our surprise) that we needed to provide the people organizing Montreal’s upcoming ApacheCon (which includes the CloudStack Collab Conf) with a schedule by Thursday, April 19th. As this was sooner than we had expected, we were not able to get the group of people who had volunteered to look at the CFP together for a call. Giles, Will Stevens, and I ended up examining the 29 submissions. We determined that four people had submitted more than one proposal (which is perfectly fine, of course). Being that we needed to respond to the organizers quickly, we decided if we limited each person who submitted one or more abstracts to only one that we would then be able to accept a presentation from each person. Please let me know if you have questions. Thanks, Mike On 3/27/18, 1:39 PM, "Tutkowski, Mike" wrote: Hi everyone, As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, the CloudStack Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration Conference: http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ Even though the event is six months away, we are on a tight schedule with regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do so before March 30th. That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small committee to sort through these presentation submissions. If you are interested in helping out in this process, please reply to this message. Thanks! Mike
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> >> > number of > >> > > >> presentations. To do this, it seems like a > CloudStack-focused > >> > panel > >> > > would > >> > > >> be a good approach, but I am definitely open > to another > >> > approach. > >> > > We don’t > >> > > >> want to exclude anyone (in or out of the > CloudStack > >> > Community) who > >> > > might > >> > > >> like to provide input. Anyone who is > interested would, of > >> > course, > >> > > be free > >> > > >> to join us in combing through the proposals. > >> > > >>> We don’t need to get started on this right > away. The CFP just > >> > > closed > >> > > >> yesterday. Let’s wait for feedback from > Giles (who is > >> > currently on > >> > > >> vacation) and go from there. > >> > > >>> Thanks! > >> > > >>> Mike > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> On 3/31/18, 6:59 AM, "Ron Wheeler" < > >> > rwhee...@artifact-software.com > <mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com> > >> > > > > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > > >>> Is this a real concern? > >> > > >>> Why would a large number of Apache > contributors who are > >> > not > >> > > >> interested > >> > > >>> in Cloudstack (enough to outvote those > "part of the > >> > Cloudstack > >> > > >>> community") get involved as reviewers > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> Reviewing involves some commitment of > time so I am hard > >> > > pressed > >> > > >> to guess > >> > > >>> why some Apache contributor would > volunteer to do the > >> > work in > >> > > >> order to > >> > > >>> veto a presentation that they have not > yet seen or have > >> > no > >> > > >> interest in > >> > > >>> seeing. > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> Are we guaranteed a fixed number of > hours of > >> > presentations or > >> > > is > >> > > >> the > >> > > >>> review process part of the allocation > of overall time? > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> On what basis can some group veto a > presentation? > >> > > >>> That would seem to be a very strong > action and I would > >> > hope > >> > > that > >> > > >> it > >> > > >>> requires a strong reason. > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> OTOH if a large??? number of Apache > contributors > >> > (regardless > >> > > of > >> > > >> their > >> > > >>> affiliation) say that a presentation > has serious issues > >> > or > >> > > very > >> > > >> limited > >> > > >>> interest, that would seem to be a red >
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gt;> > > >>> requires improvement or needs to be dropped in favour of >> > > another >> > > >>> Cloudstack presentation, if it can not be fixed. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> We should also be aware that this is an opportunity to >> > > "market" >> > > >>> Cloudstack to the broader Apache community. >> > > >>> Outside reviewers might have valuable input into how >> > > >> presentations can >> > > >>> attract new adopters or be clearer to the broader DevOps >> > > >> community. >> > > >>> We also need to remember that we do have an active >> > community >> > > and >> > > >> other >> > > >>> opportunities during the year to present presentations >> > that do >> > > >> not get >> > > >>> selected for this conference. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> If their is a real fear that a lot of "outsiders" are >> > going to >> > > >> disrupt >> > > >>> the review process, a more reasonable response would >> > seem to >> > > be >> > > >> to get >> > > >>> more reviewers from the community. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> I have volunteered already. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Ron >> > > >>> >> > > >>>> On 30/03/2018 11:11 PM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote: >> > > >>>> Hi Rafael, >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> It’s a little bit tricky in our particular situation. Allow >> > me >> > > >> to explain: >> > > >>>> As you are likely aware, the CloudStack Collaboration >> > > >> Conference will be held as a track in the larger ApacheCon >> > > conference in >> > > >> Montreal this coming September. >> > > >>>> It is true, as you say, that anyone who wishes to do so can >> > > >> contribute to reviewing the CFP for ApacheCon. >> > > >>>> What is a bit of a concern, however, is that we might get >> > > >> certain CloudStack CFP proposals vetoed by people who are >> > not, per >> > > se, a >> > > >> part of our community. >> > > >>>> That being the case, I have contacted the organizers for >> > > >> ApacheCon to see if there is some way we can section off the >> > > CloudStack CFP >> > > >> from the larger ApacheCon CFP for review purposes. >> > > >>>> Assuming we can do this, the panel that I am proposing here >> > > >> would handle this review task. >> > > >>>> I hope that helps clarify the situation. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Thanks! >> > > >>>> Mike >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> On 3/30/18, 8:38 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" < >> > > >> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com <mailto:rafaelweingart...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > > >>>> Are we going to have a separated review process? >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> I thought anybody could go here [1] and apply for a >> > > >> reviewer position and >> > > >>>> start reviewing. Well, that is what I did. I have >> > already >> > > >> reviewed some >> > > >>>> CloudStack proposals (of course I did not review >> > mines). >> > > >> After asking to >> > > >>>> review presentations, Rich has giving me access to the >> > > >> system. I thought >> > > >>>> everybody interest in helping was going to do the same. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> [1] >> > > >> https://cfp.apachecon.com/conference.html?apachecon- >> > > north-america-2018 >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Swen - swen.io <http://swen.io> < >> > > >> m...@swen.io <mailto:m...@swen.io>> wrote: >> > > >>>>> Hi Mike, >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> congrats! >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> I can help sort through presentations. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> Best regards, >> > > >>>>> Swen >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >> > > >>>>> Von: Tutkowski, Mike [mailto:mike.tutkow...@netapp.com <mailto:mike.tutkow...@netapp.com>] >> > > >>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2018 21:40 >> > > >>>>> An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <mailto:dev@cloudstack.apache.org>; >> > > >> us...@cloudstack.apache.org <mailto:us...@cloudstack.apache.org> >> > > >>>>> Betreff: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation >> > > >> Submissions >> > > >>>>> Hi everyone, >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, >> > > >> the CloudStack >> > > >>>>> Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration >> > > >> Conference: >> > > >>>>> http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> Even though the event is six months away, we are on a >> > > >> tight schedule with >> > > >>>>> regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do >> > > >> so before March 30th. >> > > >>>>> That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small >> > > >> committee to sort >> > > >>>>> through these presentation submissions. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> If you are interested in helping out in this process, >> > > >> please reply to this >> > > >>>>> message. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> Thanks! >> > > >>>>> Mike >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> -- >> > > >>>> Rafael Weingärtner >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Ron Wheeler >> > > President >> > > Artifact Software Inc >> > > email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com <mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com> >> > > skype: ronaldmwheeler >> > > phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Rafael Weingärtner >> > >> > >> > >> -- >> Rafael Weingärtner >> > > -- > Ron Wheeler > President > Artifact Software Inc > email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com <mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com> > skype: ronaldmwheeler > phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 > -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
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with X > >> > number of > >> > > >> presentations. To do this, it seems like a > CloudStack-focused > >> > panel > >> > > would > >> > > >> be a good approach, but I am definitely open to > another > >> > approach. > >> > > We don’t > >> > > >> want to exclude anyone (in or out of the CloudStack > >> > Community) who > >> > > might > >> > > >> like to provide input. Anyone who is interested > would, of > >> > course, > >> > > be free > >> > > >> to join us in combing through the proposals. > >> > > >>> We don’t need to get started on this right away. > The CFP just > >> > > closed > >> > > >> yesterday. Let’s wait for feedback from Giles (who is > >> > currently on > >> > > >> vacation) and go from there. > >> > > >>> Thanks! > >> > > >>> Mike > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> On 3/31/18, 6:59 AM, "Ron Wheeler" < > >> > rwhee...@artifact-software.com > >> > > > > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > > >>> Is this a real concern? > >> > > >>> Why would a large number of Apache > contributors who are > >> > not > >> > > >> interested > >> > > >>> in Cloudstack (enough to outvote those "part > of the > >> > Cloudstack > >> > > >>> community") get involved as reviewers > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> Reviewing involves some commitment of time so > I am hard > >> > > pressed > >> > > >> to guess > >> > > >>> why some Apache contributor would volunteer to > do the > >> > work in > >> > > >> order to > >> > > >>> veto a presentation that they have not yet > seen or have > >> > no > >> > > >> interest in > >> > > >>> seeing. > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> Are we guaranteed a fixed number of hours of > >> > presentations or > >> > > is > >> > > >> the > >> > > >>> review process part of the allocation of > overall time? > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> On what basis can some group veto a > presentation? > >> > > >>> That would seem to be a very strong action and > I would > >> > hope > >> > > that > >> > > >> it > >> > > >>> requires a strong reason. > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> OTOH if a large??? number of Apache > contributors > >> > (regardless > >> > > of > >> > > >> their > >> > > >>> affiliation) say that a presentation has > serious issues > >> > or > >> > > very > >> > > >> limited > >> > > >>> interest, that would seem to be a red flag > that the > >> > > presentation > >> > > >>> requires improvement or needs to be dropped in > favour of > >> > > another > >> > > >>> Cloudstack presentation, if it can not be > fixed. > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> We should also be aware that this is an > opportunity to > >> > > "market" > >> > > >>> Cloudstack to the broader Apache community. > >> > > >>> Outside revi
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f the >> > Cloudstack >> > > >>> community") get involved as reviewers >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Reviewing involves some commitment of time so I am >> hard >> > > pressed >> > > >> to guess >> > > >>> why some Apache contributor would volunteer to do >> the >> > work in >> > > >> order to >> > > >>> veto a presentation that they have not yet seen or >> have >> > no >> > > >> interest in >> > > >>> seeing. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Are we guaranteed a fixed number of hours of >> > presentations or >> > > is >> > > >> the >> > > >>> review process part of the allocation of overall >> time? >> > > >>> >> > > >>> On what basis can some group veto a presentation? >> > > >>> That would seem to be a very strong action and I >> would >> > hope >> > > that >> > > >> it >> > > >>> requires a strong reason. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> OTOH if a large??? number of Apache contributors >> > (regardless >> > > of >> > > >> their >> > > >>> affiliation) say that a presentation has serious >> issues >> > or >> > > very >> > > >> limited >> > > >>> interest, that would seem to be a red flag that the >> > > presentation >> > > >>> requires improvement or needs to be dropped in >> favour of >> > > another >> > > >>> Cloudstack presentation, if it can not be fixed. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> We should also be aware that this is an opportunity >> to >> > > "market" >> > > >>> Cloudstack to the broader Apache community. >> > > >>> Outside reviewers might have valuable input into how >> > > >> presentations can >> > > >>> attract new adopters or be clearer to the broader >> DevOps >> > > >> community. >> > > >>> We also need to remember that we do have an active >> > community >> > > and >> > > >> other >> > > >>> opportunities during the year to present >> presentations >> > that do >> > > >> not get >> > > >>> selected for this conference. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> If their is a real fear that a lot of "outsiders" >> are >> > going to >> > > >> disrupt >> > > >>> the review process, a more reasonable response would >> > seem to >> > > be >> > > >> to get >> > > >>> more reviewers from the community. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> I have volunteered already. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Ron >> > > >>> >> > > >>>> On 30/03/2018 11:11 PM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote: >> > > >>>> Hi Rafael, >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> It’s a little bit tricky in our particular situation. >> Allow >> > me >> > > >> to explain: >> > > >>>> As you are likely aware, the CloudStack Collaboration >> > > >> Conference will be held as a track in the larger ApacheCon >> > > conference in >> > > >> Montreal this coming September. >> > > >>>> It is true, as you say, that anyone who wishes to do so >> can >> > > >> contribute to reviewing the CFP for ApacheCon. >> > > >>>> What is a bit of a concern, however, is that we might >> get >> > > >> certain CloudStack CFP proposals vetoed by people who are >> > not, per >> > > se, a >> > > >> part of our community. >> > > >>>> That being the case, I have contacted the organizers for >> > > >> ApacheCon to see if there is some way we can section off >> the >> > > CloudStack CFP >> > > >> from the larger ApacheCon CFP for review purposes. >> > > >>>> Assuming we can do this, the panel that I am proposing >> here >> > > >> would handle this review task. >> > > >>>> I hope that helps clarify the situation. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Thanks! >> > > >>>> Mike >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> On 3/30/18, 8:38 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" < >> > > >> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >>>> Are we going to have a separated review process? >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> I thought anybody could go here [1] and apply for a >> > > >> reviewer position and >> > > >>>> start reviewing. Well, that is what I did. I have >> > already >> > > >> reviewed some >> > > >>>> CloudStack proposals (of course I did not review >> > mines). >> > > >> After asking to >> > > >>>> review presentations, Rich has giving me access to >> the >> > > >> system. I thought >> > > >>>> everybody interest in helping was going to do the >> same. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> [1] >> > > >> https://cfp.apachecon.com/conference.html?apachecon- >> > > north-america-2018 >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Swen - swen.io < >> > > >> m...@swen.io> wrote: >> > > >>>>> Hi Mike, >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> congrats! >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> I can help sort through presentations. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> Best regards, >> > > >>>>> Swen >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >> > > >>>>> Von: Tutkowski, Mike [mailto:mike.tutkow...@netapp.com] >> > > >>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2018 21:40 >> > > >>>>> An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; >> > > >> us...@cloudstack.apache.org >> > > >>>>> Betreff: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation >> > > >> Submissions >> > > >>>>> Hi everyone, >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, >> > > >> the CloudStack >> > > >>>>> Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration >> > > >> Conference: >> > > >>>>> http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> Even though the event is six months away, we are on a >> > > >> tight schedule with >> > > >>>>> regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do >> > > >> so before March 30th. >> > > >>>>> That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small >> > > >> committee to sort >> > > >>>>> through these presentation submissions. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> If you are interested in helping out in this process, >> > > >> please reply to this >> > > >>>>> message. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> Thanks! >> > > >>>>> Mike >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> -- >> > > >>>> Rafael Weingärtner >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Ron Wheeler >> > > President >> > > Artifact Software Inc >> > > email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com >> > > skype: ronaldmwheeler >> > > phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Rafael Weingärtner >> > >> > >> > >> -- >> Rafael Weingärtner >> > > -- > Ron Wheeler > President > Artifact Software Inc > email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com > skype: ronaldmwheeler > phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 >
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t;> be a good approach, but I am definitely open to another > approach. > > We don’t > > >> want to exclude anyone (in or out of the CloudStack > Community) who > > might > > >> like to provide input. Anyone who is interested would, of > course, > > be free > > >> to join us in combing through the proposals. > > >>> We don’t need to get started on this right away. The CFP just > > closed > > >> yesterday. Let’s wait for feedback from Giles (who is > currently on > > >> vacation) and go from there. > > >>> Thanks! > > >>> Mike > > >>> > > >>> On 3/31/18, 6:59 AM, "Ron Wheeler" < > rwhee...@artifact-software.com > > > > > >> wrote: > > >>> Is this a real concern? > > >>> Why would a large number of Apache contributors who are > not > > >> interested > > >>> in Cloudstack (enough to outvote those "part of the > Cloudstack > > >>> community") get involved as reviewers > > >>> > > >>> Reviewing involves some commitment of time so I am hard > > pressed > > >> to guess > > >>> why some Apache contributor would volunteer to do the > work in > > >> order to > > >>> veto a presentation that they have not yet seen or have > no > > >> interest in > > >>> seeing. > > >>> > > >>> Are we guaranteed a fixed number of hours of > presentations or > > is > > >> the > > >>> review process part of the allocation of overall time? > > >>> > > >>> On what basis can some group veto a presentation? > > >>> That would seem to be a very strong action and I would > hope > > that > > >> it > > >>> requires a strong reason. > > >>> > > >>> OTOH if a large??? number of Apache contributors > (regardless > > of > > >> their > > >>> affiliation) say that a presentation has serious issues > or > > very > > >> limited > > >>> interest, that would seem to be a red flag that the > > presentation > > >>> requires improvement or needs to be dropped in favour of > > another > > >>> Cloudstack presentation, if it can not be fixed. > > >>> > > >>> We should also be aware that this is an opportunity to > > "market" > > >>> Cloudstack to the broader Apache community. > > >>> Outside reviewers might have valuable input into how > > >> presentations can > > >>> attract new adopters or be clearer to the broader DevOps > > >> community. > > >>> We also need to remember that we do have an active > community > > and > > >> other > > >>> opportunities during the year to present presentations > that do > > >> not get > > >>> selected for this conference. > > >>> > > >>> If their is a real fear that a lot of "outsiders" are > going to > > >> disrupt > > >>> the review process, a more reasonable response would > seem to > > be > > >> to get > > >>> more reviewers from the community. > > >>> > > >>> I have volunteered already. > > >>> > > >>
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from Giles (who is > currently on > > >> vacation) and go from there. > > >>> Thanks! > > >>> Mike > > >>> > > >>> On 3/31/18, 6:59 AM, "Ron Wheeler" < > rwhee...@artifact-software.com > > > > > >> wrote: > > >>> Is this a real concern? > > >>> Why would a large number of Apache contributors who are > not > > >> interested > > >>> in Cloudstack (enough to outvote those "part of the > Cloudstack > > >>> community") get involved as reviewers > > >>> > > >>> Reviewing involves some commitment of time so I am hard > > pressed > > >> to guess > > >>> why some Apache contributor would volunteer to do the > work in > > >> order to > > >>> veto a presentation that they have not yet seen or have > no > > >> interest in > > >>> seeing. > > >>> > > >>> Are we guaranteed a fixed number of hours of > presentations or > > is > > >> the > > >>> review process part of the allocation of overall time? > > >>> > > >>> On what basis can some group veto a presentation? > > >>> That would seem to be a very strong action and I would > hope > > that > > >> it > > >>> requires a strong reason. > > >>> > > >>> OTOH if a large??? number of Apache contributors > (regardless > > of > > >> their > > >>> affiliation) say that a presentation has serious issues > or > > very > > >> limited > > >>> interest, that would seem to be a red flag that the > > presentation > > >>> requires improvement or needs to be dropped in favour of > > another > > >>> Cloudstack presentation, if it can not be fixed. > > >>> > > >>> We should also be aware that this is an opportunity to > > "market" > > >>> Cloudstack to the broader Apache community. > > >>> Outside reviewers might have valuable input into how > > >> presentations can > > >>> attract new adopters or be clearer to the broader DevOps > > >> community. > > >>> We also need to remember that we do have an active > community > > and > > >> other > > >>> opportunities during the year to present presentations > that do > > >> not get > > >>> selected for this conference. > > >>> > > >>> If their is a real fear that a lot of "outsiders" are > going to > > >> disrupt > > >>> the review process, a more reasonable response would > seem to > > be > > >> to get > > >>> more reviewers from the community. > > >>> > > >>> I have volunteered already. > > >>> > > >>> Ron > > >>> > > >>>> On 30/03/2018 11:11 PM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote: > > >>>> Hi Rafael, > > >>>> > > >>>> It’s a little bit tricky in our particular situation. Allow > me > > >> to explain: > > >>>> As you are likely aware, the CloudStack Collaboration > > >> Conference will be held as a track in the larger ApacheCon > > conference in > > >> Montreal this coming September. > > >>>> It is true, as you say, that anyone who wishe
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review process part of the allocation of overall time? > > >>> > > >>> On what basis can some group veto a presentation? > > >>> That would seem to be a very strong action and I would > hope > > that > > >> it > > >>> requires a strong reason. > > >>> > > >>> OTOH if a large??? number of Apache contributors > (regardless > > of > > >> their > > >>> affiliation) say that a presentation has serious issues > or > > very > > >> limited > > >>> interest, that would seem to be a red flag that the > > presentation > > >>> requires improvement or needs to be dropped in favour of > > another > > >>> Cloudstack presentation, if it can not be fixed. > > >>> > > >>> We should also be aware that this is an opportunity to > > "market" > > >>> Cloudstack to the broader Apache community. > > >>> Outside reviewers might have valuable input into how > > >> presentations can > > >>> attract new adopters or be clearer to the broader DevOps > > >> community. > > >>> We also need to remember that we do have an active > community > > and > > >> other > > >>> opportunities during the year to present presentations > that do > > >> not get > > >>> selected for this conference. > > >>> > > >>> If their is a real fear that a lot of "outsiders" are > going to > > >> disrupt > > >>> the review process, a more reasonable response would > seem to > > be > > >> to get > > >>> more reviewers from the community. > > >>> > > >>> I have volunteered already. > > >>> > > >>> Ron > > >>> > > >>>> On 30/03/2018 11:11 PM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote: > > >>>> Hi Rafael, > > >>>> > > >>>> It’s a little bit tricky in our particular situation. Allow > me > > >> to explain: > > >>>> As you are likely aware, the CloudStack Collaboration > > >> Conference will be held as a track in the larger ApacheCon > > conference in > > >> Montreal this coming September. > > >>>> It is true, as you say, that anyone who wishes to do so can > > >> contribute to reviewing the CFP for ApacheCon. > > >>>> What is a bit of a concern, however, is that we might get > > >> certain CloudStack CFP proposals vetoed by people who are > not, per > > se, a > > >> part of our community. > > >>>> That being the case, I have contacted the organizers for > > >> ApacheCon to see if there is some way we can section off the > > CloudStack CFP > > >> from the larger ApacheCon CFP for review purposes. > > >>>> Assuming we can do this, the panel that I am proposing here > > >> would handle this review task. > > >>>> I hope that helps clarify the situation. > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks! > > >>>> Mike > > >>>> > > >>>> On 3/30/18, 8:38 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" < > > >> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> Are we going to have a separated review process? > > >>>> > > >>>> I thought anybody could go here [1] and apply for a > > >> reviewer position and > > >>>> start reviewing. Well, that is what I did. I have > already > > >> reviewed some > > >>>> CloudStack proposals (of course I did not review > mines). > > >> After asking to > > >>>> review presentations, Rich has giving me access to the > > >> system. I thought > > >>>> everybody interest in helping was going to do the same. > > >>>> > > >>>> [1] > > >> https://cfp.apachecon.com/conference.html?apachecon- > > north-america-2018 > > >>>> > > >>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Swen - swen.io < > > >> m...@swen.io> wrote: > > >>>>> Hi Mike, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> congrats! > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I can help sort through presentations. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Best regards, > > >>>>> Swen > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > >>>>> Von: Tutkowski, Mike [mailto:mike.tutkow...@netapp.com] > > >>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2018 21:40 > > >>>>> An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; > > >> us...@cloudstack.apache.org > > >>>>> Betreff: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation > > >> Submissions > > >>>>> Hi everyone, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, > > >> the CloudStack > > >>>>> Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration > > >> Conference: > > >>>>> http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Even though the event is six months away, we are on a > > >> tight schedule with > > >>>>> regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): > > >>>>> > > >>>>> https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html > > >>>>> > > >>>>> If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do > > >> so before March 30th. > > >>>>> That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small > > >> committee to sort > > >>>>> through these presentation submissions. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> If you are interested in helping out in this process, > > >> please reply to this > > >>>>> message. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thanks! > > >>>>> Mike > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Rafael Weingärtner > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > > > -- > > Ron Wheeler > > President > > Artifact Software Inc > > email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com > > skype: ronaldmwheeler > > phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Rafael Weingärtner > > > -- Rafael Weingärtner
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e reasonable response would seem to > be > >> to get > >>> more reviewers from the community. > >>> > >>> I have volunteered already. > >>> > >>> Ron > >>> > >>>> On 30/03/2018 11:11 PM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote: > >>>> Hi Rafael, > >>>> > >>>> It’s a little bit tricky in our particular situation. Allow me > >> to explain: > >>>> As you are likely aware, the CloudStack Collaboration > >> Conference will be held as a track in the larger ApacheCon > conference in > >> Montreal this coming September. > >>>> It is true, as you say, that anyone who wishes to do so can > >> contribute to reviewing the CFP for ApacheCon. > >>>> What is a bit of a concern, however, is that we might get > >> certain CloudStack CFP proposals vetoed by people who are not, per > se, a > >> part of our community. > >>>> That being the case, I have contacted the organizers for > >> ApacheCon to see if there is some way we can section off the > CloudStack CFP > >> from the larger ApacheCon CFP for review purposes. > >>>> Assuming we can do this, the panel that I am proposing here > >> would handle this review task. > >>>> I hope that helps clarify the situation. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks! > >>>> Mike > >>>> > >>>> On 3/30/18, 8:38 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" < > >> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> Are we going to have a separated review process? > >>>> > >>>> I thought anybody could go here [1] and apply for a > >> reviewer position and > >>>> start reviewing. Well, that is what I did. I have already > >> reviewed some > >>>> CloudStack proposals (of course I did not review mines). > >> After asking to > >>>> review presentations, Rich has giving me access to the > >> system. I thought > >>>> everybody interest in helping was going to do the same. > >>>> > >>>> [1] > >> https://cfp.apachecon.com/conference.html?apachecon- > north-america-2018 > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Swen - swen.io < > >> m...@swen.io> wrote: > >>>>> Hi Mike, > >>>>> > >>>>> congrats! > >>>>> > >>>>> I can help sort through presentations. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best regards, > >>>>> Swen > >>>>> > >>>>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > >>>>> Von: Tutkowski, Mike [mailto:mike.tutkow...@netapp.com] > >>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2018 21:40 > >>>>> An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; > >> us...@cloudstack.apache.org > >>>>> Betreff: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation > >> Submissions > >>>>> Hi everyone, > >>>>> > >>>>> As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, > >> the CloudStack > >>>>> Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration > >> Conference: > >>>>> http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ > >>>>> > >>>>> Even though the event is six months away, we are on a > >> tight schedule with > >>>>> regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): > >>>>> > >>>>> https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html > >>>>> > >>>>> If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do > >> so before March 30th. > >>>>> That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small > >> committee to sort > >>>>> through these presentation submissions. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you are interested in helping out in this process, > >> please reply to this > >>>>> message. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks! > >>>>> Mike > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Rafael Weingärtner > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > > -- > Ron Wheeler > President > Artifact Software Inc > email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com > skype: ronaldmwheeler > phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 > > > > -- Rafael Weingärtner
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h the proposals. > >>> We don’t need to get started on this right away. The CFP just > closed > >> yesterday. Let’s wait for feedback from Giles (who is currently on > >> vacation) and go from there. > >>> Thanks! > >>> Mike > >>> > >>> On 3/31/18, 6:59 AM, "Ron Wheeler" > > >> wrote: > >>> Is this a real concern? > >>> Why would a large number of Apache contributors who are not > >> interested > >>> in Cloudstack (enough to outvote those "part of the Cloudstack > >>> community") get involved as reviewers > >>> > >>> Reviewing involves some commitment of time so I am hard > pressed > >> to guess > >>> why some Apache contributor would volunteer to do the work in > >> order to > >>> veto a presentation that they have not yet seen or have no > >> interest in > >>> seeing. > >>> > >>> Are we guaranteed a fixed number of hours of presentations or > is > >> the > >>> review process part of the allocation of overall time? > >>> > >>> On what basis can some group veto a presentation? > >>> That would seem to be a very strong action and I would hope > that > >> it > >>> requires a strong reason. > >>> > >>> OTOH if a large??? number of Apache contributors (regardless > of > >> their > >>> affiliation) say that a presentation has serious issues or > very > >> limited > >>> interest, that would seem to be a red flag that the > presentation > >>> requires improvement or needs to be dropped in favour of > another > >>> Cloudstack presentation, if it can not be fixed. > >>> > >>> We should also be aware that this is an opportunity to > "market" > >>> Cloudstack to the broader Apache community. > >>> Outside reviewers might have valuable input into how > >> presentations can > >>> attract new adopters or be clearer to the broader DevOps > >> community. > >>> We also need to remember that we do have an active community > and > >> other > >>> opportunities during the year to present presentations that do > >> not get > >>> selected for this conference. > >>> > >>> If their is a real fear that a lot of "outsiders" are going to > >> disrupt > >>> the review process, a more reasonable response would seem to > be > >> to get > >>> more reviewers from the community. > >>> > >>> I have volunteered already. > >>> > >>> Ron > >>> > >>>> On 30/03/2018 11:11 PM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote: > >>>> Hi Rafael, > >>>> > >>>> It’s a little bit tricky in our particular situation. Allow me > >> to explain: > >>>> As you are likely aware, the CloudStack Collaboration > >> Conference will be held as a track in the larger ApacheCon > conference in > >> Montreal this coming September. > >>>> It is true, as you say, that anyone who wishes to do so can > >> contribute to reviewing the CFP for ApacheCon. > >>>> What is a bit of a concern, however, is that we might get > >> certain CloudStack CFP proposals vetoed by people who are not, per > se, a > >> part of our community. > >>>> That being the case, I have contacted the organizers for > >> ApacheCon to see if there is some way we can section off the > CloudStack CFP > >> from the larger ApacheCon CFP for review purposes. > >>>> Assuming we can do this, the panel that I am proposing here > >> would handle this review task. > >>>> I hope that helps clarify the situation. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks! > >>>> Mike > >>>> > >>>> On 3/30/18, 8:38 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" < > >> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> Are we going t
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>>> interest, that would seem to be a red flag that the presentation >>> requires improvement or needs to be dropped in favour of another >>> Cloudstack presentation, if it can not be fixed. >>> >>> We should also be aware that this is an opportunity to "market" >>> Cloudstack to the broader Apache community. >>> Outside reviewers might have valuable input into how >> presentations can >>> attract new adopters or be clearer to the broader DevOps >> community. >>> We also need to remember that we do have an active community and >> other >>> opportunities during the year to present presentations that do >> not get >>> selected for this conference. >>> >>> If their is a real fear that a lot of "outsiders" are going to >> disrupt >>> the review process, a more reasonable response would seem to be >> to get >>> more reviewers from the community. >>> >>> I have volunteered already. >>> >>> Ron >>> >>>> On 30/03/2018 11:11 PM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote: >>>> Hi Rafael, >>>> >>>> It’s a little bit tricky in our particular situation. Allow me >> to explain: >>>> As you are likely aware, the CloudStack Collaboration >> Conference will be held as a track in the larger ApacheCon conference in >> Montreal this coming September. >>>> It is true, as you say, that anyone who wishes to do so can >> contribute to reviewing the CFP for ApacheCon. >>>> What is a bit of a concern, however, is that we might get >> certain CloudStack CFP proposals vetoed by people who are not, per se, a >> part of our community. >>>> That being the case, I have contacted the organizers for >> ApacheCon to see if there is some way we can section off the CloudStack CFP >> from the larger ApacheCon CFP for review purposes. >>>> Assuming we can do this, the panel that I am proposing here >> would handle this review task. >>>> I hope that helps clarify the situation. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> On 3/30/18, 8:38 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" < >> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Are we going to have a separated review process? >>>> >>>> I thought anybody could go here [1] and apply for a >> reviewer position and >>>> start reviewing. Well, that is what I did. I have already >> reviewed some >>>> CloudStack proposals (of course I did not review mines). >> After asking to >>>> review presentations, Rich has giving me access to the >> system. I thought >>>> everybody interest in helping was going to do the same. >>>> >>>> [1] >> https://cfp.apachecon.com/conference.html?apachecon-north-america-2018 >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Swen - swen.io < >> m...@swen.io> wrote: >>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>> >>>>> congrats! >>>>> >>>>> I can help sort through presentations. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Swen >>>>> >>>>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >>>>> Von: Tutkowski, Mike [mailto:mike.tutkow...@netapp.com] >>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2018 21:40 >>>>> An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; >> us...@cloudstack.apache.org >>>>> Betreff: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation >> Submissions >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, >> the CloudStack >>>>> Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration >> Conference: >>>>> http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ >>>>> >>>>> Even though the event is six months away, we are on a >> tight schedule with >>>>> regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): >>>>> >>>>> https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html >>>>> >>>>> If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do >> so before March 30th. >>>>> That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small >> committee to sort >>>>> through these presentation submissions. >>>>> >>>>> If you are interested in helping out in this process, >> please reply to this >>>>> message. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Rafael Weingärtner >>>> >>>> >>> -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
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s://cfp.apachecon.com/conference.html?apachecon-north-america-2018 On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Swen - swen.io < m...@swen.io> wrote: Hi Mike, congrats! I can help sort through presentations. Best regards, Swen -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Tutkowski, Mike [mailto:mike.tutkow...@netapp.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2018 21:40 An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; us...@cloudstack.apache.org Betreff: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions Hi everyone, As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, the CloudStack Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration Conference: http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ Even though the event is six months away, we are on a tight schedule with regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do so before March 30th. That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small committee to sort through these presentation submissions. If you are interested in helping out in this process, please reply to this message. Thanks! Mike -- Rafael Weingärtner -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
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st in >> seeing. >> >> Are we guaranteed a fixed number of hours of presentations or is > the >> review process part of the allocation of overall time? >> >> On what basis can some group veto a presentation? >> That would seem to be a very strong action and I would hope that > it >> requires a strong reason. >> >> OTOH if a large??? number of Apache contributors (regardless of > their >> affiliation) say that a presentation has serious issues or very > limited >> interest, that would seem to be a red flag that the presentation >> requires improvement or needs to be dropped in favour of another >> Cloudstack presentation, if it can not be fixed. >> >> We should also be aware that this is an opportunity to "market" >> Cloudstack to the broader Apache community. >> Outside reviewers might have valuable input into how > presentations can >> attract new adopters or be clearer to the broader DevOps > community. >> We also need to remember that we do have an active community and > other >> opportunities during the year to present presentations that do > not get >> selected for this conference. >> >> If their is a real fear that a lot of "outsiders" are going to > disrupt >> the review process, a more reasonable response would seem to be > to get >> more reviewers from the community. >> >> I have volunteered already. >> >> Ron >> >>> On 30/03/2018 11:11 PM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote: >>> Hi Rafael, >>> >>> It’s a little bit tricky in our particular situation. Allow me > to explain: >>> >>> As you are likely aware, the CloudStack Collaboration > Conference will be held as a track in the larger ApacheCon conference in > Montreal this coming September. >>> >>> It is true, as you say, that anyone who wishes to do so can > contribute to reviewing the CFP for ApacheCon. >>> >>> What is a bit of a concern, however, is that we might get > certain CloudStack CFP proposals vetoed by people who are not, per se, a > part of our community. >>> >>> That being the case, I have contacted the organizers for > ApacheCon to see if there is some way we can section off the CloudStack CFP > from the larger ApacheCon CFP for review purposes. >>> >>> Assuming we can do this, the panel that I am proposing here > would handle this review task. >>> >>> I hope that helps clarify the situation. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Mike >>> >>> On 3/30/18, 8:38 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" < > rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Are we going to have a separated review process? >>> >>> I thought anybody could go here [1] and apply for a > reviewer position and >>> start reviewing. Well, that is what I did. I have already > reviewed some >>> CloudStack proposals (of course I did not review mines). > After asking to >>> review presentations, Rich has giving me access to the > system. I thought >>> everybody interest in helping was going to do the same. >>> >>> [1] > https://cfp.apachecon.com/conference.html?apachecon-north-america-2018 >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Swen - swen.io < > m...@swen.io> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Mike, >>>> >>>> congrats! >>>> >>>> I can help sort through presentations. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Swen >>>> >>>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >>>> Von: Tutkowski, Mike [mailto:mike.tutkow...@netapp.com] >>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2018 21:40 >>>> An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; > us...@cloudstack.apache.org >>>> Betreff: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation > Submissions >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, > the CloudStack >>>> Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration > Conference: >>>> >>>> http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ >>>> >>>> Even though the event is six months away, we are on a > tight schedule with >>>> regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): >>>> >>>> https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html >>>> >>>> If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do > so before March 30th. >>>> >>>> That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small > committee to sort >>>> through these presentation submissions. >>>> >>>> If you are interested in helping out in this process, > please reply to this >>>> message. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Rafael Weingärtner >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Ron Wheeler >> President >> Artifact Software Inc >> email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com >> skype: ronaldmwheeler >> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 >> >> >> > >-- >Ron Wheeler >President >Artifact Software Inc >email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com >skype: ronaldmwheeler >phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
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dropped in favour of another > Cloudstack presentation, if it can not be fixed. > > We should also be aware that this is an opportunity to "market" > Cloudstack to the broader Apache community. > Outside reviewers might have valuable input into how presentations can > attract new adopters or be clearer to the broader DevOps community. > We also need to remember that we do have an active community and other > opportunities during the year to present presentations that do not get > selected for this conference. > > If their is a real fear that a lot of "outsiders" are going to disrupt > the review process, a more reasonable response would seem to be to get > more reviewers from the community. > > I have volunteered already. > > Ron > > On 30/03/2018 11:11 PM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote: > > Hi Rafael, > > > > It’s a little bit tricky in our particular situation. Allow me to explain: > > > > As you are likely aware, the CloudStack Collaboration Conference will be held as a track in the larger ApacheCon conference in Montreal this coming September. > > > > It is true, as you say, that anyone who wishes to do so can contribute to reviewing the CFP for ApacheCon. > > > > What is a bit of a concern, however, is that we might get certain CloudStack CFP proposals vetoed by people who are not, per se, a part of our community. > > > > That being the case, I have contacted the organizers for ApacheCon to see if there is some way we can section off the CloudStack CFP from the larger ApacheCon CFP for review purposes. > > > > Assuming we can do this, the panel that I am proposing here would handle this review task. > > > > I hope that helps clarify the situation. > > > > Thanks! > > Mike > > > > On 3/30/18, 8:38 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" < rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Are we going to have a separated review process? > > > > I thought anybody could go here [1] and apply for a reviewer position and > > start reviewing. Well, that is what I did. I have already reviewed some > > CloudStack proposals (of course I did not review mines). After asking to > > review presentations, Rich has giving me access to the system. I thought > > everybody interest in helping was going to do the same. > > > > [1] https://cfp.apachecon.com/conference.html?apachecon-north-america-2018 > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Swen - swen.io < m...@swen.io> wrote: > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > congrats! > > > > > > I can help sort through presentations. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Swen > > > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > > Von: Tutkowski, Mike [mailto:mike.tutkow...@netapp.com] > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2018 21:40 > > > An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; us...@cloudstack.apache.org > > > Betreff: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, the CloudStack > > > Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration Conference: > > > > > > http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ > > > > > > Even though the event is six months away, we are on a tight schedule with > > > regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): > > > > > > https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html > > > > > > If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do so before March 30th. > > > > > > That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small committee to sort > > > through these presentation submissions. > > > > > > If you are interested in helping out in this process, please reply to this > > > message. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Rafael Weingärtner > > > > > > -- > Ron Wheeler > President > Artifact Software Inc > email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com > skype: ronaldmwheeler > phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 > > > -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
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rupt > the review process, a more reasonable response would seem to be to get > more reviewers from the community. > > I have volunteered already. > > Ron > > On 30/03/2018 11:11 PM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote: > > Hi Rafael, > > > > It’s a little bit tricky in our particular situation. Allow me to explain: > > > > As you are likely aware, the CloudStack Collaboration Conference will be held as a track in the larger ApacheCon conference in Montreal this coming September. > > > > It is true, as you say, that anyone who wishes to do so can contribute to reviewing the CFP for ApacheCon. > > > > What is a bit of a concern, however, is that we might get certain CloudStack CFP proposals vetoed by people who are not, per se, a part of our community. > > > > That being the case, I have contacted the organizers for ApacheCon to see if there is some way we can section off the CloudStack CFP from the larger ApacheCon CFP for review purposes. > > > > Assuming we can do this, the panel that I am proposing here would handle this review task. > > > > I hope that helps clarify the situation. > > > > Thanks! > > Mike > > > > On 3/30/18, 8:38 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" wrote: > > > > Are we going to have a separated review process? > > > > I thought anybody could go here [1] and apply for a reviewer position and > > start reviewing. Well, that is what I did. I have already reviewed some > > CloudStack proposals (of course I did not review mines). After asking to > > review presentations, Rich has giving me access to the system. I thought > > everybody interest in helping was going to do the same. > > > > [1] https://cfp.apachecon.com/conference.html?apachecon-north-america-2018 > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Swen - swen.io wrote: > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > congrats! > > > > > > I can help sort through presentations. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Swen > > > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > > Von: Tutkowski, Mike [mailto:mike.tutkow...@netapp.com] > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2018 21:40 > > > An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; us...@cloudstack.apache.org > > > Betreff: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, the CloudStack > > > Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration Conference: > > > > > > http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ > > > > > > Even though the event is six months away, we are on a tight schedule with > > > regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): > > > > > > https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html > > > > > > If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do so before March 30th. > > > > > > That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small committee to sort > > > through these presentation submissions. > > > > > > If you are interested in helping out in this process, please reply to this > > > message. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Rafael Weingärtner > > > > > > -- > Ron Wheeler > President > Artifact Software Inc > email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com > skype: ronaldmwheeler > phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 > > > -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
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t; > Are we going to have a separated review process? > > > > I thought anybody could go here [1] and apply for a reviewer > position and > > start reviewing. Well, that is what I did. I have already > reviewed some > > CloudStack proposals (of course I did not review mines). After > asking to > > review presentations, Rich has giving me access to the system. > I thought > > everybody interest in helping was going to do the same. > > > > [1] > https://cfp.apachecon.com/conference.html?apachecon-north-america-2018 > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Swen - swen.io > wrote: > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > congrats! > > > > > > I can help sort through presentations. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Swen > > > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > > Von: Tutkowski, Mike [mailto:mike.tutkow...@netapp.com] > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2018 21:40 > > > An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; us...@cloudstack.apache.org > > > Betreff: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation > Submissions > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, the > CloudStack > > > Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration > Conference: > > > > > > http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ > > > > > > Even though the event is six months away, we are on a tight > schedule with > > > regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): > > > > > > https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html > > > > > > If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do so > before March 30th. > > > > > > That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small > committee to sort > > > through these presentation submissions. > > > > > > If you are interested in helping out in this process, please > reply to this > > > message. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Rafael Weingärtner > > > > > > -- > Ron Wheeler > President > Artifact Software Inc > email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com > skype: ronaldmwheeler > phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 > > > >
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ope that helps clarify the situation. > > Thanks! > Mike > > On 3/30/18, 8:38 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" wrote: > > Are we going to have a separated review process? > > I thought anybody could go here [1] and apply for a reviewer position and > start reviewing. Well, that is what I did. I have already reviewed some > CloudStack proposals (of course I did not review mines). After asking to > review presentations, Rich has giving me access to the system. I thought > everybody interest in helping was going to do the same. > > [1] https://cfp.apachecon.com/conference.html?apachecon-north-america-2018 > > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Swen - swen.io wrote: > > > Hi Mike, > > > > congrats! > > > > I can help sort through presentations. > > > > Best regards, > > Swen > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Tutkowski, Mike [mailto:mike.tutkow...@netapp.com] > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2018 21:40 > > An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; us...@cloudstack.apache.org > > Betreff: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, the CloudStack > > Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration Conference: > > > > http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ > > > > Even though the event is six months away, we are on a tight schedule with > > regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): > > > > https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html > > > > If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do so before March 30th. > > > > That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small committee to sort > > through these presentation submissions. > > > > If you are interested in helping out in this process, please reply to this > > message. > > > > Thanks! > > Mike > > > > > > > > > -- > Rafael Weingärtner > > -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
Re: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions
lp sort through presentations. > > > > Best regards, > > Swen > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: Tutkowski, Mike [mailto:mike.tutkow...@netapp.com] > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2018 21:40 > > An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; us...@cloudstack.apache.org > > Betreff: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, the CloudStack > > Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration Conference: > > > > http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ > > > > Even though the event is six months away, we are on a tight schedule with > > regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): > > > > https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html > > > > If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do so before March 30th. > > > > That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small committee to sort > > through these presentation submissions. > > > > If you are interested in helping out in this process, please reply to this > > message. > > > > Thanks! > > Mike > > > > > > > > > -- > Rafael Weingärtner > > -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
Re: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions
Is this a real concern? Why would a large number of Apache contributors who are not interested in Cloudstack (enough to outvote those "part of the Cloudstack community") get involved as reviewers Reviewing involves some commitment of time so I am hard pressed to guess why some Apache contributor would volunteer to do the work in order to veto a presentation that they have not yet seen or have no interest in seeing. Are we guaranteed a fixed number of hours of presentations or is the review process part of the allocation of overall time? On what basis can some group veto a presentation? That would seem to be a very strong action and I would hope that it requires a strong reason. OTOH if a large??? number of Apache contributors (regardless of their affiliation) say that a presentation has serious issues or very limited interest, that would seem to be a red flag that the presentation requires improvement or needs to be dropped in favour of another Cloudstack presentation, if it can not be fixed. We should also be aware that this is an opportunity to "market" Cloudstack to the broader Apache community. Outside reviewers might have valuable input into how presentations can attract new adopters or be clearer to the broader DevOps community. We also need to remember that we do have an active community and other opportunities during the year to present presentations that do not get selected for this conference. If their is a real fear that a lot of "outsiders" are going to disrupt the review process, a more reasonable response would seem to be to get more reviewers from the community. I have volunteered already. Ron On 30/03/2018 11:11 PM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote: Hi Rafael, It’s a little bit tricky in our particular situation. Allow me to explain: As you are likely aware, the CloudStack Collaboration Conference will be held as a track in the larger ApacheCon conference in Montreal this coming September. It is true, as you say, that anyone who wishes to do so can contribute to reviewing the CFP for ApacheCon. What is a bit of a concern, however, is that we might get certain CloudStack CFP proposals vetoed by people who are not, per se, a part of our community. That being the case, I have contacted the organizers for ApacheCon to see if there is some way we can section off the CloudStack CFP from the larger ApacheCon CFP for review purposes. Assuming we can do this, the panel that I am proposing here would handle this review task. I hope that helps clarify the situation. Thanks! Mike On 3/30/18, 8:38 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" wrote: Are we going to have a separated review process? I thought anybody could go here [1] and apply for a reviewer position and start reviewing. Well, that is what I did. I have already reviewed some CloudStack proposals (of course I did not review mines). After asking to review presentations, Rich has giving me access to the system. I thought everybody interest in helping was going to do the same. [1] https://cfp.apachecon.com/conference.html?apachecon-north-america-2018 On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Swen - swen.io wrote: > Hi Mike, > > congrats! > > I can help sort through presentations. > > Best regards, > Swen > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Tutkowski, Mike [mailto:mike.tutkow...@netapp.com] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2018 21:40 > An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; us...@cloudstack.apache.org > Betreff: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions > > Hi everyone, > > As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, the CloudStack > Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration Conference: > > http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ > > Even though the event is six months away, we are on a tight schedule with > regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): > > https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html > > If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do so before March 30th. > > That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small committee to sort > through these presentation submissions. > > If you are interested in helping out in this process, please reply to this > message. > > Thanks! > Mike > > > -- Rafael Weingärtner -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
Re: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions
Hi Rafael, It’s a little bit tricky in our particular situation. Allow me to explain: As you are likely aware, the CloudStack Collaboration Conference will be held as a track in the larger ApacheCon conference in Montreal this coming September. It is true, as you say, that anyone who wishes to do so can contribute to reviewing the CFP for ApacheCon. What is a bit of a concern, however, is that we might get certain CloudStack CFP proposals vetoed by people who are not, per se, a part of our community. That being the case, I have contacted the organizers for ApacheCon to see if there is some way we can section off the CloudStack CFP from the larger ApacheCon CFP for review purposes. Assuming we can do this, the panel that I am proposing here would handle this review task. I hope that helps clarify the situation. Thanks! Mike On 3/30/18, 8:38 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" wrote: Are we going to have a separated review process? I thought anybody could go here [1] and apply for a reviewer position and start reviewing. Well, that is what I did. I have already reviewed some CloudStack proposals (of course I did not review mines). After asking to review presentations, Rich has giving me access to the system. I thought everybody interest in helping was going to do the same. [1] https://cfp.apachecon.com/conference.html?apachecon-north-america-2018 On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Swen - swen.io wrote: > Hi Mike, > > congrats! > > I can help sort through presentations. > > Best regards, > Swen > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Tutkowski, Mike [mailto:mike.tutkow...@netapp.com] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2018 21:40 > An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; us...@cloudstack.apache.org > Betreff: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions > > Hi everyone, > > As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, the CloudStack > Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration Conference: > > http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ > > Even though the event is six months away, we are on a tight schedule with > regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): > > https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html > > If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do so before March 30th. > > That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small committee to sort > through these presentation submissions. > > If you are interested in helping out in this process, please reply to this > message. > > Thanks! > Mike > > > -- Rafael Weingärtner
RE: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions
I'm happy to chip in. paul.an...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue -Original Message- From: Will Stevens Sent: 27 March 2018 21:20 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: users Subject: Re: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions I can support this. Cheers, Will On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 12:39 PM Tutkowski, Mike, wrote: > Hi everyone, > > As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, the CloudStack > Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration Conference: > > http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ > > Even though the event is six months away, we are on a tight schedule > with regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): > > https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html > > If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do so before March 30th. > > That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small committee to > sort through these presentation submissions. > > If you are interested in helping out in this process, please reply to > this message. > > Thanks! > Mike >
Re: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions
Are we going to have a separated review process? I thought anybody could go here [1] and apply for a reviewer position and start reviewing. Well, that is what I did. I have already reviewed some CloudStack proposals (of course I did not review mines). After asking to review presentations, Rich has giving me access to the system. I thought everybody interest in helping was going to do the same. [1] https://cfp.apachecon.com/conference.html?apachecon-north-america-2018 On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Swen - swen.io wrote: > Hi Mike, > > congrats! > > I can help sort through presentations. > > Best regards, > Swen > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Tutkowski, Mike [mailto:mike.tutkow...@netapp.com] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2018 21:40 > An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; us...@cloudstack.apache.org > Betreff: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions > > Hi everyone, > > As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, the CloudStack > Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration Conference: > > http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ > > Even though the event is six months away, we are on a tight schedule with > regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): > > https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html > > If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do so before March 30th. > > That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small committee to sort > through these presentation submissions. > > If you are interested in helping out in this process, please reply to this > message. > > Thanks! > Mike > > > -- Rafael Weingärtner
Re: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions
I can help with this. 2018-03-27 17:32 GMT-03:00 Khosrow Moossavi : > I can help as well. > > > > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Will Stevens > wrote: > > > I can support this. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Will > > > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 12:39 PM Tutkowski, Mike, < > mike.tutkow...@netapp.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, the CloudStack > > > Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration Conference: > > > > > > http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ > > > > > > Even though the event is six months away, we are on a tight schedule > with > > > regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): > > > > > > https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html > > > > > > If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do so before March > > 30th. > > > > > > That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small committee to > sort > > > through these presentation submissions. > > > > > > If you are interested in helping out in this process, please reply to > > this > > > message. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Mike > > > > > >
Re: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions
I can help as well. On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Will Stevens wrote: > I can support this. > > Cheers, > > Will > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 12:39 PM Tutkowski, Mike, > > wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, the CloudStack > > Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration Conference: > > > > http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ > > > > Even though the event is six months away, we are on a tight schedule with > > regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): > > > > https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html > > > > If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do so before March > 30th. > > > > That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small committee to sort > > through these presentation submissions. > > > > If you are interested in helping out in this process, please reply to > this > > message. > > > > Thanks! > > Mike > > >
Re: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions
I can support this. Cheers, Will On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 12:39 PM Tutkowski, Mike, wrote: > Hi everyone, > > As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, the CloudStack > Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration Conference: > > http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ > > Even though the event is six months away, we are on a tight schedule with > regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): > > https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html > > If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do so before March 30th. > > That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small committee to sort > through these presentation submissions. > > If you are interested in helping out in this process, please reply to this > message. > > Thanks! > Mike >
Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions
Hi everyone, As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, the CloudStack Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration Conference: http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/ Even though the event is six months away, we are on a tight schedule with regards to the Call For Participation (CFP): https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do so before March 30th. That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small committee to sort through these presentation submissions. If you are interested in helping out in this process, please reply to this message. Thanks! Mike