Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity

2013-03-11 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/10/13 4:49 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
 On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote:
 Most of the cases the screen shots will be developed by the organisation
 who want to use it. So when ever there is a request for permission, it
 shall be granted immediately, including the screen shots of our website. If
 the want any screen shot, which they can not make it themselves, then the
 same can be provided by openoffice.org.

 For example, if they want a screen shot with Tamil text, I can provide them.

 
 We don't see many cases where they create their own screen shots. That
 doesn't mean it doesn't happen, of course.  But it may mean that those
 who create their own screenshots don't think they need permission to
 use them, so they never write to us.
 
 When we are contacted it is almost always for permission to use an
 existing screenshot from our website.
 
 But certainly it is one possibility to create in advance screenshots
 in just English but then say on the website that we can create
 additional languages on request.  However, the more that we do in
 advance the easier it is for the journalist example, and more likely
 they will use our materials.

Sure anybody can create screenshots on their own but the idea here is to
have a set of high quality screenshots in place. It makes a huge
difference to have a screenshot of an hello world document or a more
sophisticated document with real life content and well formatted, or a
more complex spreadsheet with charts, or a power presentation ...

We don't need a huge collection but 1 or 2 for each application or a
collage of some of them together.

I think it's basic press and marketing material that we should have in
place. Simply to make it easy for people who need a screenshot and that
we are satisfied with the outcome.

Juergen



 
 -Rob
 
 
 With Warm Regards

 V.Kadal Amutham
 919444360480
 914422396480


 On 10 March 2013 20:36, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 The PMC receives requests, every couple of weeks, from book publishers
 for permission to use OpenOffice screenshots in a book.  Most often
 they are asking to use a specific screenshot from the website that
 they have identified, such as:

 http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/writer-big.png

 Generally, Apache permits the use of product screenshots in books, per
 the trademark policy here:
 http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook

 However, that only covers the trademark.  There is another rights
 owner to consider, the author of the document included in the
 screenshot, including any text, graphics, images, etc., displayed.  Of
 course, the book publisher can avoid that issue by making their own
 screenshots.  But that is extra work.  Generally they are trying to
 clear permissions for dozens or hundreds of images.  The more
 difficult we make it, the less likely they are use it.  Since this is
 free publicity for us, we should try to make it easy for them to use.

 Another issue is that our posted screenshots are quite old.  They
 don't reflect the new Apache branding.

 Here's how we can do better:

 1) Create a set of demo documents that showcase the capabilities of
 OpenOffice.  Use either public-domain text (Charles Dickens, for
 examples) or Loren Ipsum, or original text contributed to the project
 under ALv2 by the original authors.   We want documents, for all of
 our applications. that look good, and are clearly under ALv2.

 Multilingual text would be ideal, or separate documents for different
 languages.  (We do get requests from book publishers in many
 countries, so having a native-language screenshot is ideal)

 2) Create screenshots for each document, on each platform  Do it with
 AOO 3.4.1 for now.  But plan on repeating with each major new release.
  Agree on screen resolutions, color depth, and image formats, so we
 have uniformity.

 3) Host the screenshots online, along with text that explains their
 purpose and permissions.

 What do we think?  I can help with the webpage and with screen shots
 on Windows.  But I'll need help assembling a set of showcase demo
 files.

 Note: aside from book publishers, this will also be useful for
 journalists who want a screenshot for an article.

 -Rob

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Re: Board report April: infrastructure wishlist

2013-03-11 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/10/13 8:50 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
 Juergen Schmidt wrote:
 Am Sonntag, 10. März 2013 um 00:39 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
 Seeing the many recent discussions about infrastructure (wiki, forum,
 buildbots, Pootle, domains, certificates...) I believe we should use the
 report to make a sort of Infrastructure wishlist. ...
 how about the suggestion to buy a code signing certificate
 
 Good idea. Let's really try to make a simple list of What and Why.
 This should be considered as a wishlist and not a list of actions we
 demand: we tell the Board what could help in making our project more
 efficient (and we will likely ask Infra to comment on the list before we
 send it); the Board, while allocating resources, can use these
 suggestions (discussions about what budget to use may or may not be
 relevant, but a list of priorities would be fine for the time being).
 
 So:
 
 What: Buy a code signing certificate
 Why [please check!]: This would allow the project to digitally sign the
 convenience binaries it ships, and avoid Windows and Mac OS X warnings
 about unsigned installers.

The MacOSX part is not yet finally evaluated but we need either a valid
certificate and/or a Apple developer ID. The process itself has to be
evaluated.

 
 What: Acquire a *.openoffice.org certificate
 Why: This would allow to avoid false alarms when enforcing HTTPS to
 browse OpenOffice sites, and give the possibility of secure login to
 wiki.openoffice.org and forum.openoffice.org
 
 What: Allocate budget for additional domains
 Why: This would help in transferring legacy domains to Apache, see
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4906
 
 What: Officially support MWiki [remember this is a wishlist!]
 Why: wiki.openoffice.org is an important service to our users, with over
 15K [right?] pages and many [how many?] users. And we don't want to put
 an additional burden on Infra without getting additional resources for it.
 
 What: Officially support phpBB
 Why: forum.openoffice.org is an important service to our users, with
 [numbers?]. And we don't want to put an additional burden on Infra
 without getting additional resources for it.
 
 Anything else? Buildbots, Pootle?

Pootle: the hardware should be sufficient to work with the server and we
should have enough disk space for ~ 3 OpenOffice related projects. I am
thinking here about stable long term product lines that potentially get
more translations later or important fixes or changes.

Juergen


 
 Regards,
   Andrea.
 
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Questions

2013-03-11 Thread Kim YongRim

HiThank you, I am sorry disturbing you.would you like to help me? I think you 
do so.I would like to ask you serveral questions.1. Have you AOO project's 
requirement specifications?2. Have you AOO project's architecture design, each 
kind of design document related with architecture design? for exmaple, class 
diagram, use-case diagram, dependency and etc.3. Now I am conding in Linux 
konsole, have you other developmet tools like MS visual studio or Eclipse and 
where do you work in ? What developmet tools do you use?4. Today, AOO is very 
much large and heavy. It needs high cpu and memory.   From here, you lost lots 
of user. have you  solution it? If you have, what is it?5. In future, Offline 
Office would disappear and Web Office like google doc is used widely. I make 
WebOffice by using AOO, is it possible?
Your dev guide is very general and is used at coding time by developer fixing 
any bug in the subproject.I can't know your total idea. I wish hear in detail.
I wait your kindness answer.

Bye..
  

Re: wrong source location for Apache OpenOffice at Ohloh

2013-03-11 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Luc Maisonobe wrote:

It seems the source code location for Apache OpenOffice are wrong and
still point to the old incubator subversion. As a result, the project is
declared as having no commits at all since a few months! See
https://www.ohloh.net/p/openoffice.


(forwarding this message to the dev list)

Luc is right, see
https://www.ohloh.net/p/openoffice/enlistments

Can anybody add the current (non-incubator) SVN repositories, please?

Thanks,
  Andrea.

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Re: wrong source location for Apache OpenOffice at Ohloh

2013-03-11 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Roberto Galoppini rgalopp...@geek.net wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:
 Luc Maisonobe wrote:

 It seems the source code location for Apache OpenOffice are wrong and
 still point to the old incubator subversion. As a result, the project is
 declared as having no commits at all since a few months! See
 https://www.ohloh.net/p/openoffice.


 (forwarding this message to the dev list)

 Luc is right, see
 https://www.ohloh.net/p/openoffice/enlistments

 Can anybody add the current (non-incubator) SVN repositories, please?


 I set up the original locations.  And I've tried several times to
 update, as recently as last week.  But Ohloh times out and will not
 accept the new locations.  I need to debug this further to see if it
 is an issue on the ASF side or the Ohloh side.

 I'll be talking to them later today, let me know if I can help.


It is not urgent.

The numbers do not reflect what we're actually doing.  Ohloh
explicitly requires that we include only the trunk, though most of our
big 4.0 work, like side panel and accessibility,  is currently
occurring in branches.  So even if Ohloh was getting our current trunk
code, it would be missing our actual work.  It will be more
interesting when we actually merge the code into the trunk.

-Rob

 Best,

 Roberto

 -Rob

 Thanks,
   Andrea.

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Re: Apache OpenOffice at SourceForge Enterprise Directory

2013-03-11 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Roberto Galoppini rgalopp...@geek.net wrote:
 SourceForge has just launched a new Enterprise Directory, a
 sub-section of our site focused specifically on Enterprise projects.
 These are the projects that are geared specifically for use within a
 company, you can read more about it at our blog.

 We are honoured to host Apache OpenOffice among our the first
 enterprise-grade applications, see
 https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/


This looks great, Roberto.

 Note that the new directory has been designed to allow a richer
 community interaction through the new reviews and ratings system, plus
 a richer list of project features, a resource center (now containing
 pointers to Extensions and Templates in the Add-ons  Plugins
 section, and some titles in the Related books section) and more.

 It would be interesting to see our community to engage by providing
 in-depth reviews as well as ratings, as well as add more info about
 upcoming events and if we want also about partners (support,
 training).


A question:  Are the ratings correct?  They don't seem consistent.
For example compare the overall rating (number of stars) with the
actual reviews posted.

We have a page for services here:
http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html

And a wishlist item from me:  If we could get RSS or Atom feeds for
new templates and for new extensions, then we can use this
information, for example, to automatically send Tweets from @ApacheOO,
or (eventually) feature them in an area of the homepage.

-Rob


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Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity

2013-03-11 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Wasn't there an issue a while back about creating screenshots on
 particular platforms, something about it being a Microsoft copyright
 issue to have screenshots for Windows, or an Apple copyright issue to
 have screenshots for Mac?


There was paranoia, certainly, but I have not seen any credible
argument against using screenshots from Windows or Mac.

We might want, from an open source promotion perspective, to use open
source platforms for creating our screen shots.  But at the same time,
an article for a Windows-focused tech journal would want the
screenshot to reflect what their audience is familiar with.

In any case, I have not seen a single instance of anyone get into
trouble from using Windows screenshots.

-Rob

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[CODE][PROPOSAL]: replace cppunit with GoogleTest

2013-03-11 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
Hi,

as part of our ip cleanup we remove the cppunit sources and allow the
system cppunit only. This is sup-optimal and a limitation from my point
of view.

I looked for an alternative and found GoogleTest [1] which seems to be a
possible alternative. I don't have time to investigate deeper in this at
the moment but maybe there is a new volunteer who is interested to
investigate some time here. I think it's a perfect task to get started
and play around with some basic modules like cppu etc.

Juergen

[1] http://code.google.com/p/googletest/

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[CODE][PROPOSAL]: replace cppunit with GoogleTest

2013-03-11 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
Hi,

as part of our ip cleanup we remove the cppunit sources and allow the
system cppunit only. This is sup-optimal and a limitation from my point
of view.

I looked for an alternative and found GoogleTest [1] which seems to be a
possible alternative. I don't have time to investigate deeper in this at
the moment but maybe there is a new volunteer who is interested to
investigate some time here. I think it's a perfect task to get started
and play around with some basic modules like cppu etc.

Juergen

[1] http://code.google.com/p/googletest/

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Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: replace cppunit with GoogleTest

2013-03-11 Thread janI
On 11 March 2013 16:56, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 as part of our ip cleanup we remove the cppunit sources and allow the
 system cppunit only. This is sup-optimal and a limitation from my point
 of view.

 I looked for an alternative and found GoogleTest [1] which seems to be a
 possible alternative. I don't have time to investigate deeper in this at
 the moment but maybe there is a new volunteer who is interested to
 investigate some time here. I think it's a perfect task to get started
 and play around with some basic modules like cppu etc.

The project I worked with (at work) last year used GoogleTest, combined
with Python scripts and we had a little more than 10.000 unit test cases,
which was tested at the end of every build run, so it works. We had however
a pure C++ environment (apart from some php and js) so that may be a
difference to AOO.

I can really recommend it, and it a good oportunity for a new volunteer. If
nobody takes then I will grap it after I have finished l10n.

rgds
jan I.


 Juergen

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Spell check question from thread.

2013-03-11 Thread Holly J. Newton
Hi, 

I was trying to follow the advice of the comments about spell check but I'm 
really confused now. 

I was hoping you might know how to fix my grandfather's spellcheck. He uses 
word in windows.  When the spell check replaces a misspelled word, it's does so 
in all caps.  I tried selecting a different option under the formatting but 
nothing stops a misspelled word in the middle of a sentence from being replaced 
in ALL CAPS. 

I'd appreciate any help so much. 

Thanks!

Holly

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Re: FormatArea Draw

2013-03-11 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hi Ivan,

On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 09:49:51PM -0600, jorge ivan poot diaz wrote:
 Hello,
 I'm seeing the files in the source code in draw, examples:
 
 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/sd/uiconfig/sdraw/toolbar/drawingobjectbar.xml
 
 I want to know where the source code files are declared Icons Standard
 Toolbar and Formatting.

Do you want to know which of these xml files belongs to the Standard
toolbar, which to the Text Formatting toolbar, etc.? Or where is the
code that converts these xml into toolbars?

 I want to know how I can add another icon in the toolbar.

If you look at the file, you notice that the concept of an icon does not
exist there; all you have is what is called a UNO command, for example

.uno:FormatLine

The UNO command is the central point; from the UNO command the
application framework retrieves the label/text of the toolbar item, and
the icon bound to it.

The command to label binding is done in the XxxCommands.xcu that you
already know, with the Label/ContextLabel proeprty; if the Property
property has a value of 1, it indicates that the command is bound to an
icon.

Icons bound to UNO commands are located at
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/commandimagelist/

the naming scheme is the following:

* prefix:

sc_ 16x16 image
sch_16x16 high-contrast image
lc_ 26x26 image
lch_26x26 h-c image

* the UNO command without the protocol part (.uno:), in lowercase.

For examle, for .uno:FormatLine:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/commandimagelist/sc_formatline.png
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/commandimagelist/sch_formatline.png
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/commandimagelist/lc_formatline.png
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/commandimagelist/lch_formatline.png

In short, you don't add an icon to the toolbar; you add a UNO command.
If this UNO command is new (it does not exist in the current source
code), you'll have to implement the functionality that executes the
command (you click the toolbar item, the UNO command is dispatched,
that is, the functionality bound to it is executed), and also gives
information about the status of the functionality this command
represents (toolbar items are context sensitive, they are enabled or
disabled, etc., depending on the state of the feature they represent).


 Similarly, I've noticed that there are several xml files at this address:
 
 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/sd/uiconfig/sdraw/toolbar/

Yes, because there are several toolbars in Draw.

 What are the interface need to draw the toolbar?

There is a lot of code involved in transforming this xml file into
a toolbar, spread in several modules. The central part is the
application framework, drawing the toolbar onto the screen happens in
vcl. If you want to dive into this, the best -IMO - is setting a break
point in the framework code:

framework::ToolbarLayoutManager::implts_createElement

Note that it's better to start the application from withing the
debugger, because UI elements are cached, you won't see it's creation
from zero (reading that xml file) if you attach to an already opened
document.

If you want to see the creation of the other UI elements (menubar,
statusbar), break in framework::LayoutManager::createElement


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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