Re: Apache Extras PoC

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 01/10/2014 David Nalley wrote:

Roberto and others from Sourceforge have set up a proof of concept for
the SF-based replacement for Apache Extras. You can take a look below.
Comments/Input welcome.
https://sourceforge.net/directory/vertical:Apache-Extras/


This was sent to the dev@community list, but seeing the very limited 
feedback I'm CCing the dev@openoffice.apache.org list too.


I can say I managed to build OpenOffice trunk by replacing (and I'm not 
suggesting that anyone commits this, it is just a proof of concept!)

-OOO_EXTRAS=http://ooo-extras.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/
+OOO_EXTRAS=http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/
and
-URL2 = $(OOO_EXTRAS)$(MD5)-$(name)
+URL2 = $(OOO_EXTRAS)$(MD5)-$(name)/download
in external_deps.lst after deleting all third-party packages. So the 
archive seems complete and working.


Honestly, with the very long filenames we use,
http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/?source=directory
is hardly readable, and this should definitely be improved is possible.

For the rest, does anybody know the status of the OpenOffice section in 
Apache Extras?

https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/ooo-extras/downloads/list
Didn't anybody complain so far simply because we haven't tried to upload 
new auxiliary libraries there after December 2013? Or someone tried and 
was hit by the new policy of Google Code as applied to Apache Extras? If 
we are to change, it would be good to know in what way the current 
solution is broken. My reading was that new uploads were forbidden, and 
indeed if I login at the above URL I don't see an "Upload file" 
function, but I used it only once in the past, so I'm not sure I'm 
looking at the right places.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Improved OOXML support?

[Jörg Schmidt]

> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:13 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Improved OOXML support?
> 
> With regard to the quotation from me, yes, it is possible to 
> find funding for improvements.  There have been requests for 
> bids from organization such as the OSB Alliance.  It is 
> difficult to know whether they have found someone to bid on 
> the work they want though, at an affordable price.  
> 
> The improved OOXML support was funded by an organization.  
> You've seen Jürgen Schmidt's response on the difficulty there 
> has been integrating that code into Apache OpenOffice.  I 
> don't doubt his appraisal.

Furthermore Jürgen spoke of it also: 

"We decided for us (some developer) that we don't spend further time on
this."

and this does not relate to technical problems, but it describes the developers 
do not have time. 



Jörg


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Re: Improved OOXML support?

[Jörg Schmidt]

> From: Andreas Säger [mailto:saege...@t-online.de] 

> > I find it really strange that it seems impossible to find 
> companies that are
> > willing to integrate corresponding filter in AOO, as a 
> normal commercial support.
> > 
> 
> If I were in need of an OOXML suite, I would pay for the real one. The
> other one is LibreOffice. Nobody needs a third one.

I think it's good that we live in a free society and customers have the right to
see things differently. 


Jörg


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Re: Improved OOXML support?

[Andreas Säger]

Am 22.10.2014 um 07:03 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> 

> I find it really strange that it seems impossible to find companies that are
> willing to integrate corresponding filter in AOO, as a normal commercial 
> support.
> 

If I were in need of an OOXML suite, I would pay for the real one. The
other one is LibreOffice. Nobody needs a third one.


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Problems logging into cwiki with seamonkey browser

[Keith N. McKenna]

I just tried to log in to my cwiki account for the first time since I
switched to seamonkey from Firefox as my default browser and I am unable
to log in. I still have Firefox installed and am able to log in with it.
Is anyone else using seamonkey and having trouble accessing the cwiki?
Versions are seamonkey 2.30 and Firefox 33.0

Regards
Keith




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Re: Concerns about the AOO community

[Kay Schenk]

On 10/22/2014 12:18 PM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
> 2014-10-22 20:35 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Zasuwik :
> 
>> 2014-10-22 9:56 GMT+02:00 Jürgen Schmidt :
>>
>>> On 21/10/14 18:00, Mateusz Zasuwik wrote:
 For instance, here:

> In other words, for some reason, development of OpenOffice has all but
 stalled, while LibreOffice remains an active project.

 Much of OpenOffice's recent decline may be due to IBM's withdrawal from
>>> the
 project. OpenOffice 4.1.1. An anonymous informant alleges -- and web
 searches appear to confirm -- that IBM did nothing to publicize
>>> OpenOffice
 4.1.1 when it was released on August 21, and that, since then, IBM
 developers have disappeared from the OpenOffice mailing lists.
>>>
>>> well I see still IBM developers here on the list frequently but of
>>> course less. It is simply because we do less but it does not mean
>>> anything else.
>>>
>>> But the question is of course more why does it matter. If we do to much
>>> people say we control the project,if do to less people say OpenOffice is
>>> dead. Really strange and people should think about Apache and how Apache
>>> works. It is potentially a harder time for OpenOffice if we do less but
>>> it is up to the community to keep the project alive together with us.
>>> Nobody should rely on our resources and expect that we will do it.
>>>
>>> OpenOffice is and remains a powerful brand even if the projects runs
>>> slower. Important is the quality and if it solves the daily tasks of our
>>> users.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Juergen.
>>
>> Thank you for answer. So, for me, the most important question is "why IBM
>> minimize its involvement?".
>>
>> The part about controlling project is irrelevant for me, because every
>> project has its own carriage horse. For OO it was Sun/Oracle/IBM, for
>> LibreOffice it's SUSE, Collabora, Lanedo. The role of community is hype for
>> me. I am just a little surprised with speed of AOO development, especially
>> when we recall from memory IBM's announcements about Lotus Symphony's end
>> of life and when we recall their promises about release "IBM OpenOffice
>> Edition". I thought this company will do their best to renew code,
>> interface and it will undertake tries to monetize this project what should
>> let OpenOffice thrive. Lotus contained many nice solutions i.g. tabs system
>> and now everything seems to be going down.
>>
>> People (users) are worrying about OpenOffice status so I would like to just
>> rectify some opinions floating around. Many says that IBM alone stop
>> believing in OpenOffice. You confirm that IBM is doing less. Wiki is not
>> updated for a long time. So this symptoms are showing... what exactly?
>>
> 
> If people are worried they just need to start contributing to AOO, for
> example translating http://www.openoffice.org/pl/.
> 
> Just drop an email to l10n and the AOO community will provide tools and
> instructions to let you all become active stakeholders.
> 
> *Ask* not, what AOO can do for you. *Ask* what, you can do for AOO.

EXACTLY! :)

Thanks for pointing this out.

> 
> We value people by their actions, everyone is pretty much welcome in a
> community where meritocracy and diversity are the only way forward.
> 
> Roberto
> 

-- 
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 Only the paranoid survive."
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crash reporter -- can someone supply commit information on this?

[Kay Schenk]

I know the crash reporter was disabled sometime before March, 2012.

But can someone provide the commit message on this?

And, if it was part of wither the 3.4.1 offering or 4.0, I would like to
add this removal to the release notes as we continue to get questions
about it.

Unfortunately, information about this was just recently removed from the
Help files, so miscommunication *for a while*.
-- 
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 Only the paranoid survive."
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Re: procedure for interaction with localization volunteers?

[Kay Schenk]

[top posting}

Please ignore this message. I think I've determined the process here.


On 10/20/2014 04:23 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> What is our process for localization of new items to either the ui or
> helpcontent?
> 
> More specific:
> -- how do these items get ported to Pootle
> -- are translation volunteers notified of these changes
> 
> There's nothing specific about this on the localization web page --
> https://www.openoffice.org/l10n/
> 
> Mostly the reason I'm asking is if notification to
> 
> l...@openoffice.apache.org
> 
> is in order when these kinds of changes are made.
> 

-- 
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Re: Concerns about the AOO community

[Fernando Cassia]

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Mateusz Zasuwik  wrote:

>
> People (users) are worrying about OpenOffice status so I would like to just
> rectify some opinions floating around. Many says that IBM alone stop
> believing in OpenOffice. You confirm that IBM is doing less. Wiki is not
> updated for a long time. So this symptoms are showing... what exactly?


You know what is FUD? Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt, and that´s exactly what
you are doing, spreading FUD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

FC
-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto
Revolucionario
- George Orwell

Re: New look for AOO

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 06/10/2014 Claudio Filho wrote:

If somebody wish to try, replace this zip[1] in
/opt/openoffice4/share/config/ (for linux), or find the
image_industrial.zip in win or osx and replace in your env.
[1]https://www.dropbox.com/s/2j27prfg0y1dqvr/images_industrial.zip?dl=0


I had a look and it is indeed nice! Why don't we add it as an alternate 
icon set, named "Flat" or whatever you wish? It is a task completely 
feasible for some of our new developers, since we already removed Tango 
(and the removal was not immediately smooth, but we later fixed it) and 
it isn't hard to find the right places in the code by looking at the 
history. Feel free to open an issue if you would like to see it 
implemented, and please send the link here so that new developers 
looking for more interesting challenges know about it.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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RE: Improved OOXML support?

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

With regard to the quotation from me, yes, it is possible to find funding for 
improvements.  There have been requests for bids from organization such as the 
OSB Alliance.  It is difficult to know whether they have found someone to bid 
on the work they want though, at an affordable price.  

The improved OOXML support was funded by an organization.  You've seen Jürgen 
Schmidt's response on the difficulty there has been integrating that code into 
Apache OpenOffice.  I don't doubt his appraisal.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Jörg Schmidt [mailto:joe...@j-m-schmidt.de] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:54
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Subject: Re: Improved OOXML support?

> > I find it really strange that it seems impossible to find 
> companies that are> willing to integrate corresponding filter 
> in AOO, as a normal commercial support.
>  
> Probably because it is not an easy task, too much of a moving 
> target, and more.Yes, you can figure out a series of files, 
> but there will always be something that is not completely 
> compatible.

This is absolutely not a problem, the compatibility already provides the 
LibreOffice would be enough (for now).

> I suspect that a bigger detriment to someone building 
> commercial filters for AOO OOXML support is finding a 
> meaningful business model,

Commercial filters are not the issue, but that someone would pay the filter 
development ready, but no company finds that implements this, at least by the 
companies that are listed here:
http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html


Greetings,
Jörg


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Re: Concerns about the AOO community

[Jörg Schmidt]

> From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] 

> But the question is of course more why does it matter. If we 
> do to much
> people say we control the project,

This not correspond to reality, but it is only a guess that you spread for 
years. 

Yes, it may be that IBM is criticized by opponents of the OpenOffice project, 
only that IBM should not care.


Jörg


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Re: Improved OOXML support?

[Jörg Schmidt]

> > I find it really strange that it seems impossible to find 
> companies that are> willing to integrate corresponding filter 
> in AOO, as a normal commercial support.
>  
> Probably because it is not an easy task, too much of a moving 
> target, and more.Yes, you can figure out a series of files, 
> but there will always be something that is not completely 
> compatible.

This is absolutely not a problem, the compatibility already provides the 
LibreOffice would be enough (for now).

> I suspect that a bigger detriment to someone building 
> commercial filters for AOO OOXML support is finding a 
> meaningful business model,

Commercial filters are not the issue, but that someone would pay the filter 
development ready, but no company finds that implements this, at least by the 
companies that are listed here:
http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html


Greetings,
Jörg


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Re: Concerns about the AOO community

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 21/10/2014 Mateusz Zasuwik wrote:

...Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/LibreOffice-OpenOffice-and-rumors-of-unification


In short, your links are not very significant. I assume you are doing it 
in good faith, but the above is not well-sourced (and the "disappeared" 
developers all "reappeared" since the day that article was written), 
Github (which is not the official repository: see the website for the 
official one) and Ohloh misrepresent the OpenOffice contributions for a 
number of reasons that you can find in the archives and placeholder wiki 
pages are, well, placeholders (the "5.0" page you mention was created 
back in May without a special meaning or plan).



The role of community is hype for me.


It isn't to me. Like many others, I help OpenOffice in my (vanishing... 
so don't expect me to engage in a long e-mail conversations with you or 
anyone!) spare time and I strongly believe that a well-functioning 
community is vital. I believe that the suggestion Roberto just gave is 
very good: help us bring the Polish site up-to-date, it is an excellent 
way to experience our community!


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Concerns about the AOO community

[Roberto Galoppini]

2014-10-22 20:35 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Zasuwik :

> 2014-10-22 9:56 GMT+02:00 Jürgen Schmidt :
>
> > On 21/10/14 18:00, Mateusz Zasuwik wrote:
> > > For instance, here:
> > >
> > >> In other words, for some reason, development of OpenOffice has all but
> > > stalled, while LibreOffice remains an active project.
> > >
> > > Much of OpenOffice's recent decline may be due to IBM's withdrawal from
> > the
> > > project. OpenOffice 4.1.1. An anonymous informant alleges -- and web
> > > searches appear to confirm -- that IBM did nothing to publicize
> > OpenOffice
> > > 4.1.1 when it was released on August 21, and that, since then, IBM
> > > developers have disappeared from the OpenOffice mailing lists.
> >
> > well I see still IBM developers here on the list frequently but of
> > course less. It is simply because we do less but it does not mean
> > anything else.
> >
> > But the question is of course more why does it matter. If we do to much
> > people say we control the project,if do to less people say OpenOffice is
> > dead. Really strange and people should think about Apache and how Apache
> > works. It is potentially a harder time for OpenOffice if we do less but
> > it is up to the community to keep the project alive together with us.
> > Nobody should rely on our resources and expect that we will do it.
> >
> > OpenOffice is and remains a powerful brand even if the projects runs
> > slower. Important is the quality and if it solves the daily tasks of our
> > users.
> >
>
>
> Hey Juergen.
>
> Thank you for answer. So, for me, the most important question is "why IBM
> minimize its involvement?".
>
> The part about controlling project is irrelevant for me, because every
> project has its own carriage horse. For OO it was Sun/Oracle/IBM, for
> LibreOffice it's SUSE, Collabora, Lanedo. The role of community is hype for
> me. I am just a little surprised with speed of AOO development, especially
> when we recall from memory IBM's announcements about Lotus Symphony's end
> of life and when we recall their promises about release "IBM OpenOffice
> Edition". I thought this company will do their best to renew code,
> interface and it will undertake tries to monetize this project what should
> let OpenOffice thrive. Lotus contained many nice solutions i.g. tabs system
> and now everything seems to be going down.
>
> People (users) are worrying about OpenOffice status so I would like to just
> rectify some opinions floating around. Many says that IBM alone stop
> believing in OpenOffice. You confirm that IBM is doing less. Wiki is not
> updated for a long time. So this symptoms are showing... what exactly?
>

If people are worried they just need to start contributing to AOO, for
example translating http://www.openoffice.org/pl/.

Just drop an email to l10n and the AOO community will provide tools and
instructions to let you all become active stakeholders.

*Ask* not, what AOO can do for you. *Ask* what, you can do for AOO.

We value people by their actions, everyone is pretty much welcome in a
community where meritocracy and diversity are the only way forward.

Roberto

color names in Math

[Regina Henschel]

Hi all,

I'm going to work on https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118191.

ODF1.2 uses MathML and that allows font colors to be defined by 
html-color-names. The corresponding rgb-values are defined in HTML.


The problems are:

Math writes its "red" as "red" in mml and renders it as rgb 80 00 00. 
But "red" in HTML is defined as FF 00 00. The dark variant is named 
"maroon".


Math writes its "blue" as "blue" in mml and renders it as rgb 00 00 80. 
But "blue" in HTML is defined as rgb 00 00 FF. The dark variant is named 
"navy".


Math writes its "cyan" as "aqua" in mml and renders it as rgb 00 80 80. 
But "aqua" in HTML is defined as rgb 00 FF FF. The dark variant is named 
"teal". A color name "cyan" does not exist as html-color-name.


Math writes its "magenta" as "fuchsia" in mml and renders it as rbg 80 
00 80. But "fuchsia" in HTML is defined as rgb FF 00 FF. The dark 
variant is named "purple". A color name "magenta" does not exist as 
html-color-name.


So in each case the rendering is different from the value in the file. 
If you get a foreign document or a pur MathML formula for import, which 
have no annotation containing the Starmath expression, then it is 
rendered wrongly.


I see two options in general
(a) change rendering to the rgb-values of the html-color-names contained 
in the file.

(b) change file export to write html-color-names which meet the rendering.

In addition, as more colors in Math is a very old wish, I want to add 
the missing html-color-name colors in this fix, so that it is possible 
to use 16 colors instead of only 8 colors now. That would not solve 
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=5156 totally but would 
help. For #rgb and ##rrggbb colors I would have to learn more about the 
code to solve it.


Suggestions, ideas, concerns?

Kind regards
Regina

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New Member

[Driss Ben Zoubeir]

Hi Together,

I am Driss from Tunisia. I am living in Germany where I work as electrical
engineer. I am interested in Programming, software testing, project
management and more... :)
I want to help on the project openoffice.
do not hesitate to contact me :)

Regards
Driss

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

[Mateusz Zasuwik]

2014-10-22 9:56 GMT+02:00 Jürgen Schmidt :

> On 21/10/14 18:00, Mateusz Zasuwik wrote:
> > For instance, here:
> >
> >> In other words, for some reason, development of OpenOffice has all but
> > stalled, while LibreOffice remains an active project.
> >
> > Much of OpenOffice's recent decline may be due to IBM's withdrawal from
> the
> > project. OpenOffice 4.1.1. An anonymous informant alleges -- and web
> > searches appear to confirm -- that IBM did nothing to publicize
> OpenOffice
> > 4.1.1 when it was released on August 21, and that, since then, IBM
> > developers have disappeared from the OpenOffice mailing lists.
>
> well I see still IBM developers here on the list frequently but of
> course less. It is simply because we do less but it does not mean
> anything else.
>
> But the question is of course more why does it matter. If we do to much
> people say we control the project,if do to less people say OpenOffice is
> dead. Really strange and people should think about Apache and how Apache
> works. It is potentially a harder time for OpenOffice if we do less but
> it is up to the community to keep the project alive together with us.
> Nobody should rely on our resources and expect that we will do it.
>
> OpenOffice is and remains a powerful brand even if the projects runs
> slower. Important is the quality and if it solves the daily tasks of our
> users.
>


Hey Juergen.

Thank you for answer. So, for me, the most important question is "why IBM
minimize its involvement?".

The part about controlling project is irrelevant for me, because every
project has its own carriage horse. For OO it was Sun/Oracle/IBM, for
LibreOffice it's SUSE, Collabora, Lanedo. The role of community is hype for
me. I am just a little surprised with speed of AOO development, especially
when we recall from memory IBM's announcements about Lotus Symphony's end
of life and when we recall their promises about release "IBM OpenOffice
Edition". I thought this company will do their best to renew code,
interface and it will undertake tries to monetize this project what should
let OpenOffice thrive. Lotus contained many nice solutions i.g. tabs system
and now everything seems to be going down.

People (users) are worrying about OpenOffice status so I would like to just
rectify some opinions floating around. Many says that IBM alone stop
believing in OpenOffice. You confirm that IBM is doing less. Wiki is not
updated for a long time. So this symptoms are showing... what exactly?

Re: Reporting broken download link

[Marcus]

Am 10/22/2014 11:46 AM, schrieb mick hagger:

When trying to install latest version 4.1.1. i am prompted to close previous 
version 3.4.1.
I have uninstalled that version but install keeps stopping with same request, 
hence it is stuck in a loop.


as you don't report a problem with the download but with installation, 
please go to the user forums to get help:


https://forum.openoffice.org/

Thanks

Marcus

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RE: Improved OOXML support?

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

 inline

-Original Message-
From: BRM [mailto:bm_witn...@yahoo.com.INVALID] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 08:12
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Improved OOXML support?

On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:03 AM, Jörg Schmidt  
wrote:
  

> From: BRM [mailto:bm_witn...@yahoo.com.INVALID] 
> > Unfortunately that will always be the state of OOXML 
> > integration for anyone other than Microsoft since OOXML is a 
> > poorly defined standard that relies on many binary extensions 
> > that are not published. Kind of like the old DOC/XLS/PPT/MDB 
> > formats that were (in many ways) memory dumps of their 
> > respective applications - only for OOXML they're wrapped by XML.
> > 
> > Until Microsoft publishes a real standard no one will ever be 
> > able to have true inter-operability.
> > Of course, this kind of hurts Microsoft too since they 
> > basically have the same problems with OOXML that they had 
> > with the old formats between versions of their own Office 
> > products; a good standard would make that a non-issue.
> Sorry, but in this case MS is not to blame. The OOXML format is published as 
> ISO
> standard. 

Yes it is a published ISO standard, but one that relies on many unpublished 
extensions.Yes, AOO can implement something that implements the one-off ISO 
standard (there have been no updates AFAIK);however, it will always be a 
chasing a moving, undocumented target for all those extensions which MS Office 
uses extensively.


  OOXML is in its 4th edition (December 2012) and I believe another is on its 
way. It is under active maintenance at the ISO level, and you can always get 
the specs most easily from ECMA. 
See .
  I'm not so sure about "unpublished" extensions.  There is a mechanism 
provided in the OOXML 
Standard for introducing extensions and my impression is that Microsoft is 
careful to use the mechanism and specify what theirs are, just as they also 
publish their profile for what they support in ODF.


> We could discuss problems of this ISO standard in detail, but this is not> 
> necessary because the fact that LibreOffice has implemented appropriate 
> filters,
> proves that it is not a problem of the OOXML standard.

No, just that someone has kept it up to some degree and spent time figuring out 
a set of those extensions that seems common enough.LO doesn't have perfect 
OOXML compatibility with MS Office either; just better than AOO right now.
And, as I noted, even MS Office has problems with OOXML compatibility between 
versions of itself.Not because of the standard but because of all the 
unpublished extensions to the standard; extensions which are likely just binary 
dumps of memory again.

> I find it really strange that it seems impossible to find companies that are> 
> willing to integrate corresponding filter in AOO, as a normal commercial 
> support.
 
Probably because it is not an easy task, too much of a moving target, and 
more.Yes, you can figure out a series of files, but there will always be 
something that is not completely compatible.While there may be a published 
XML-based Base for the OOXML file formats, there are still many parts that are 
not.
And yes, I'll applaud anyone that takes it on. Just saying, don't expect 
perfection, and don't expect to not to have to continuously be working on it 
because it is a continously moving target. And that is the juxt of my point in 
this whole thread.


I suspect that a bigger detriment to someone building commercial filters for 
AOO OOXML support is finding a meaningful business model, since these 
presumably have to be made freely available and even open-source.  It might be 
easier for developers who are immersed in the Microsoft (Office) technology to 
build better ODF conversions for Microsoft Office than start on the AOO side. 
That might be a superior point of leverage. I suspect there is still a business 
model problem since any enterprise or institution that finds this very 
important could presumably use their leverage with Microsoft directly to have 
better ODF support. 


$0.02
Ben
  


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Re: Improved OOXML support?

[BRM]

On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:03 AM, Jörg Schmidt  
wrote:
  

> From: BRM [mailto:bm_witn...@yahoo.com.INVALID] 
> > Unfortunately that will always be the state of OOXML 
> > integration for anyone other than Microsoft since OOXML is a 
> > poorly defined standard that relies on many binary extensions 
> > that are not published. Kind of like the old DOC/XLS/PPT/MDB 
> > formats that were (in many ways) memory dumps of their 
> > respective applications - only for OOXML they're wrapped by XML.
> > 
> > Until Microsoft publishes a real standard no one will ever be 
> > able to have true inter-operability.
> > Of course, this kind of hurts Microsoft too since they 
> > basically have the same problems with OOXML that they had 
> > with the old formats between versions of their own Office 
> > products; a good standard would make that a non-issue.
> Sorry, but in this case MS is not to blame. The OOXML format is published as 
> ISO
> standard. 

Yes it is a published ISO standard, but one that relies on many unpublished 
extensions.Yes, AOO can implement something that implements the one-off ISO 
standard (there have been no updates AFAIK);however, it will always be a 
chasing a moving, undocumented target for all those extensions which MS Office 
uses extensively.

> We could discuss problems of this ISO standard in detail, but this is not> 
> necessary because the fact that LibreOffice has implemented appropriate 
> filters,
> proves that it is not a problem of the OOXML standard.

No, just that someone has kept it up to some degree and spent time figuring out 
a set of those extensions that seems common enough.LO doesn't have perfect 
OOXML compatibility with MS Office either; just better than AOO right now.
And, as I noted, even MS Office has problems with OOXML compatibility between 
versions of itself.Not because of the standard but because of all the 
unpublished extensions to the standard; extensions which are likely just binary 
dumps of memory again.

> I find it really strange that it seems impossible to find companies that are> 
> willing to integrate corresponding filter in AOO, as a normal commercial 
> support.
 
Probably because it is not an easy task, too much of a moving target, and 
more.Yes, you can figure out a series of files, but there will always be 
something that is not completely compatible.While there may be a published 
XML-based Base for the OOXML file formats, there are still many parts that are 
not.
And yes, I'll applaud anyone that takes it on. Just saying, don't expect 
perfection, and don't expect to not to have to continuously be working on it 
because it is a continously moving target. And that is the juxt of my point in 
this whole thread.

$0.02
Ben
  

Reporting broken download link

[mick hagger]

When trying to install latest version 4.1.1. i am prompted to close previous 
version 3.4.1.
I have uninstalled that version but install keeps stopping with same request, 
hence it is stuck in a loop.
Please help!!
Mick Hagger

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 21/10/14 18:00, Mateusz Zasuwik wrote:
> For instance, here:
> 
>> In other words, for some reason, development of OpenOffice has all but
> stalled, while LibreOffice remains an active project.
> 
> Much of OpenOffice's recent decline may be due to IBM's withdrawal from the
> project. OpenOffice 4.1.1. An anonymous informant alleges -- and web
> searches appear to confirm -- that IBM did nothing to publicize OpenOffice
> 4.1.1 when it was released on August 21, and that, since then, IBM
> developers have disappeared from the OpenOffice mailing lists.

well I see still IBM developers here on the list frequently but of
course less. It is simply because we do less but it does not mean
anything else.

But the question is of course more why does it matter. If we do to much
people say we control the project,if do to less people say OpenOffice is
dead. Really strange and people should think about Apache and how Apache
works. It is potentially a harder time for OpenOffice if we do less but
it is up to the community to keep the project alive together with us.
Nobody should rely on our resources and expect that we will do it.

OpenOffice is and remains a powerful brand even if the projects runs
slower. Important is the quality and if it solves the daily tasks of our
users.

Juergen


> 
> http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/LibreOffice-OpenOffice-and-rumors-of-unification
> 
> So if everything is ok, can someone reveal list of planned features for AOO
> 5.0 and answer for my other questions?
> 





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