Re: [Dorset] Nokia announcement
On 11/02/11 13:45, Terry Coles wrote: How are the mighty fallen! Nokia have been the leading phone provider ever since there were mobiles, (certainly in Europe). They missed the boat on Smartphones, because they stayed with Symbian, but they had a chance to catch up with MeeGo. Now they've hitched a ride with another lame duck, then I think the end is inevitable. WinMo 7 hasn't attracted much take-up and what sales figures that have been released are actually shipments to suppliers not end-user purchases. The fact that Nokia are now going to ship WinMo 7 phones will give the platform a boost, but from the feedback I've seen, users are generally not impressed. I saw a comment somewhere along the lines of "two turkeys don't make an eagle". Made me laugh. It's hard to say who has more at stake here - both Nokia and MS need some good news (and I agree, I'm dubious that they'll get it). -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Nokia announcement
On 11 February 2011 13:59, John Carlyle-Clarke wrote: > > I saw a comment somewhere along the lines of "two turkeys don't make an > eagle". Yes, Vic Gundotra (VP of Engineering at Google and known for giving the Keynote speech at Google I/O 2010) tweeted that on Wednesday. He used to work at Microsoft until 2007 actually, before joining Google. -- Check out Sudoku Way, my Tetris meet Sudoku game for Android at https://market.android.com/details?id=net.cogitas.sudokuway Using Twitter? Check out Find Tweets, my Twitter app client for Android at https://market.android.com/details?id=net.cogitas.findtweets Google Android, programming and web design at http://www.cogitas.net/blog/ -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Nokia announcement
On 11/02/11 14:02, Terry Coles wrote: On Friday 11 Feb 2011, Terry Coles wrote: How are the mighty fallen! Nokia have been the leading phone provider ever since there were mobiles, (certainly in Europe). They missed the boat on Smartphones, because they stayed with Symbian, but they had a chance to catch up with MeeGo. Even the Beeb doubt if the marriage will work: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2011/02/is_the_nokiamicrosoft_horse_a.html 1. There are hardly any Apps yet. 2. The system uses data even when it's switched off (probably fixed now, but T-Mobile are still arguing with MS about that). 3. The SD card can't be removed. Just in case you doubt this, look at the comments in the above link. c.f http://blog.cocoia.com/2011/hp-webos-event-roundup/ Another competitor enters the ring (potentially, at least) and their offering looks pretty good. WebOS is based on the Linux kernel, but the rest is closed source as far as I know. MeeGo also incorporates Moblin, and Intel are still supporting that project for now, so we may yet see it on cheaper netbooks to compete with Chrome OS and or WebOS. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Nokia announcement
On Friday 11 Feb 2011, John Carlyle-Clarke wrote: > c.f http://blog.cocoia.com/2011/hp-webos-event-roundup/ > > Another competitor enters the ring (potentially, at least) and their > offering looks pretty good. WebOS is based on the Linux kernel, but the > rest is closed source as far as I know. HP hardware has been linux compliant for some time. The good news is that this will put even more presuure on hardware developers to ensure that their offerings find their way into the HP stable or the Ubuntu Catalogue http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/219394/canonical_opens_up_catalog_of_linuxfriendly_components.html. -- Terry Coles 64 bit computing with Kubuntu Linux -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Nokia announcement
On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 18:01 +, John Carlyle-Clarke wrote: > On 11/02/11 14:02, Terry Coles wrote: > > On Friday 11 Feb 2011, Terry Coles wrote: > >> How are the mighty fallen! Nokia have been the leading phone provider ever > >> since there were mobiles, (certainly in Europe). They missed the boat on > >> Smartphones, because they stayed with Symbian, but they had a chance to > >> catch up with MeeGo. > > > > Even the Beeb doubt if the marriage will work: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2011/02/is_the_nokiamicrosoft_horse_a.html > > > >> 1. There are hardly any Apps yet. > >> 2. The system uses data even when it's switched off (probably fixed now, > >> but T-Mobile are still arguing with MS about that). > >> 3. The SD card can't be removed. > > > > Just in case you doubt this, look at the comments in the above link. > > > > > > c.f http://blog.cocoia.com/2011/hp-webos-event-roundup/ > > Another competitor enters the ring (potentially, at least) and their > offering looks pretty good. WebOS is based on the Linux kernel, but the > rest is closed source as far as I know. > > MeeGo also incorporates Moblin, and Intel are still supporting that > project for now, so we may yet see it on cheaper netbooks to compete > with Chrome OS and or WebOS. > Yeah the WebOS stuff is interesting It's major shortfall for me is that only o2 are selling the mobiles in the UK. I've been wondering what was going on with Meego for a bit, given it's backers it seemed to be moving very slowly, while google were ripping on with Android (though Chrome OS iirc has missed a fair few project milestones...) Samsung have something called Bada which I haven't really looked at but it can use a Linux kernel Nokia's decision seems strange to me in that they are tying themselves closely to M$ when IMO the rest of the market bar Apple are seemingly hedging there bets by offering devices with varying OS's It smells odd. But I have an awful sense of smell :) -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Nokia announcement
Yes, WebOS is interesting and of course, MeeGo isn't entirely dead but it is a major blow to its future on smartphones (that doesn't mean it won't succeed elsewhere though, notably on netbooks). As for Nokia's decision, it is going to have a major impact on the future of the industry - either it is going to sink Nokia completely or it is going to establish Windows Mobile 7 as a serious contender. A third option would be that Nokia is going to get another CEO in a few months, they are going to get back on their decision, 2011 will be a bad year for them but they will make a comeback in 2012 with a shiny MeeGo and three flagship devices, each in a different price range (This is my dream scenario as I don't want to see Nokia sink, I rather like their non-smart phones, very reliable, and I certainly don't want to see Windows Mobile 7 establish itself in the smartphone market). So far, the reviews of Windows Mobile 7 have been rather good but users haven't rushed to buy those devices, my guess being that too many people have had frustrating experiences with Windows on their computer and do not want to bring these problems over to their smartphone. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Nokia announcement
On 11/02/11 20:27, Natalie Hooper wrote: Yes, WebOS is interesting and of course, MeeGo isn't entirely dead but it is a major blow to its future on smartphones (that doesn't mean it won't succeed elsewhere though, notably on netbooks). As for Nokia's decision, it is going to have a major impact on the future of the industry - either it is going to sink Nokia completely or it is going to establish Windows Mobile 7 as a serious contender. A third option would be that Nokia is going to get another CEO in a few months, they are going to get back on their decision, 2011 will be a bad year for them but they will make a comeback in 2012 with a shiny MeeGo and three flagship devices, each in a different price range (This is my dream scenario as I don't want to see Nokia sink, I rather like their non-smart phones, very reliable, and I certainly don't want to see Windows Mobile 7 establish itself in the smartphone market). So far, the reviews of Windows Mobile 7 have been rather good but users haven't rushed to buy those devices, my guess being that too many people have had frustrating experiences with Windows on their computer and do not want to bring these problems over to their smartphone. -- You just have to look at the past to realise on a few can succeed in the computing business. Android is one, Apple another so 3rd place is likely to be Windoz, so Nokia have decided to join the sinking ship thinking they can make it work. They should have gone with Android and maintained their production to make money. I suspect they went with M$ anticipating a patent war against Linux, but this is not going to win as Linux is now unstoppable. Android is now no2, 800% increase this year and manufacturers are finally realising the benefits of a free (as in beer) OS! John. -- -- Discover Linux - Open Source Solutions to Business and Schools http://discoverlinux.co.uk -- -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Nokia announcement
John Cooper wrote: On 11/02/11 20:27, Natalie Hooper wrote: Yes, WebOS is interesting and of course, MeeGo isn't entirely dead but it is a major blow to its future on smartphones (that doesn't mean it won't succeed elsewhere though, notably on netbooks). As for Nokia's decision, it is going to have a major impact on the future of the industry - either it is going to sink Nokia completely or it is going to establish Windows Mobile 7 as a serious contender. A third option would be that Nokia is going to get another CEO in a few months, they are going to get back on their decision, 2011 will be a bad year for them but they will make a comeback in 2012 with a shiny MeeGo and three flagship devices, each in a different price range (This is my dream scenario as I don't want to see Nokia sink, I rather like their non-smart phones, very reliable, and I certainly don't want to see Windows Mobile 7 establish itself in the smartphone market). So far, the reviews of Windows Mobile 7 have been rather good but users haven't rushed to buy those devices, my guess being that too many people have had frustrating experiences with Windows on their computer and do not want to bring these problems over to their smartphone. -- You just have to look at the past to realise on a few can succeed in the computing business. Android is one, Apple another so 3rd place is likely to be Windoz, so Nokia have decided to join the sinking ship thinking they can make it work. They should have gone with Android and maintained their production to make money. I suspect they went with M$ anticipating a patent war against Linux, but this is not going to win as Linux is now unstoppable. Android is now no2, 800% increase this year and manufacturers are finally realising the benefits of a free (as in beer) OS! John. Nokia's current problems explains a lot. For some time I been thinking what sort of phone I need but cant find. I have big hands, old tired eyes, and hard of hearing, an industrial working enviroment thats dirty or wet, thats noisy, driving a tractor or working machinery, poor access to charging, lives in a pocket with other hardware. so I need a phone thats got, big keys, qwerty k/board like the Nokia 9210I communicator, a big bright screen, like an Iphone, a loud clear speaker, a proper closing all metal lid like the HP jordana or better, a battery with 3000mah rating so it lasts a week at least. Can I find such a phone? with all these features? Not a chance!! as if I havent tried, There are thousands of folk like myself world wide without such a phone. So I thinks to myself, ill know what Ill do, ill get in touch with Nokia to suggest such a phone, Has anyone tried to talk to Nokia? its like trying to get through s brick wall with a screwdriver. There are no contact nos, no proper email addesses,,their tech help dont answer email, and when you eventually get a reply they dont want to pass on anything to their design teams. Id put good money up front for such a phone. i dont need email, on the go. i like to sit down with a decent laptop screen and take my time in in reading and replying.Texting ,yes, talking, yes. Ie the innards can be something standard, its the form factor thats missing out on my needs.. Where does one go and who do I talk to? Id still buy a new phone if I could get a spec like ive listed above. It doesnt matter if it weighs 2tice as muchand is twice as big, as a Nokia 9210 c0mmunicator, I must have at least 20 phones here all with their limitations to the point I wont/cant use them. Ted Hugh's dad nr Corfe. Ubuntu user. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Nokia announcement
On Friday 11 Feb 2011, Natalie Hooper wrote: > As for Nokia's decision, it is going to have a major impact on the future > of the industry - either it is going to sink Nokia completely or it is > going to establish Windows Mobile 7 as a serious contender. Seen this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/feb/16/nokia-windows-phone- microsoft-delay Knowing Microsoft's past performance, Windows Phone 8 will be delayed, will have features removed so they can stuff it out of the door and be so full of bugs that it'll take them until SP2 to get anything remotely usable. If that happens in less than 12 months I'll eat my 3 inch Tux! I don't think MS could have found a better way sink Nokia if they'd tried. (Maybe they did. Try that is.) -- Terry Coles 64 bit computing with Kubuntu Linux -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
[Dorset] Nokia announcement - MeeGo gets relegated to a project as opposed to the de-facto platform for their smartphones
Unfortunately for Linux/open source, Nokia has decided to use Windows Mobile and not their own open-source Linux-based MeeGo as their de-facto platform for their new range of smartphones. They have indicated they will carry on work on MeeGo but it will essentially become a side-project for them and they only intend to ship one MeeGo device in 2011. It is worth noting that Stephen Elop, the new CEO of Nokia since September 2010, worked for Microsoft between January 2008 and September 2010... You can read his open letter at http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/02/11/open-letter-from-ceo-stephen-elop-nokia-and-ceo-steve-ballmer-microsoft/?sf1066305=1 -- Check out Sudoku Way, my Tetris meet Sudoku game for Android at https://market.android.com/details?id=net.cogitas.sudokuway Using Twitter? Check out Find Tweets, my Twitter app client for Android at https://market.android.com/details?id=net.cogitas.findtweets Google Android, programming and web design at http://www.cogitas.net/blog/ -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Nokia announcement - MeeGo gets relegated to a project as opposed to the de-facto platform for their smartphones
On Friday 11 Feb 2011, Natalie Hooper wrote: > Unfortunately for Linux/open source, Nokia has decided to use Windows > Mobile and not their own open-source Linux-based MeeGo as their de-facto > platform for their new range of smartphones. They have indicated they will > carry on work on MeeGo but it will essentially become a side-project for > them and they only intend to ship one MeeGo device in 2011. How are the mighty fallen! Nokia have been the leading phone provider ever since there were mobiles, (certainly in Europe). They missed the boat on Smartphones, because they stayed with Symbian, but they had a chance to catch up with MeeGo. Now they've hitched a ride with another lame duck, then I think the end is inevitable. WinMo 7 hasn't attracted much take-up and what sales figures that have been released are actually shipments to suppliers not end-user purchases. The fact that Nokia are now going to ship WinMo 7 phones will give the platform a boost, but from the feedback I've seen, users are generally not impressed. In the end, only true Windows fanatics will believe that it's any good. For the rest, it will just add to the negative feedback. There are lots of ways that WinMo 7 phones are inferior to Android and iOS phones by the way, but the fact that: 1. There are hardly any Apps yet. 2. The system uses data even when it's switched off (probably fixed now, but T-Mobile are still arguing with MS about that). 3. The SD card can't be removed. will do for starters. > It is worth noting that Stephen Elop, the new CEO of Nokia since September > 2010, worked for Microsoft between January 2008 and September 2010... Says it all. -- Terry Coles 64 bit computing with Kubuntu Linux -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Nokia announcement - MeeGo gets relegated to a project as opposed to the de-facto platform for their smartphones
On Friday 11 Feb 2011, Terry Coles wrote: > How are the mighty fallen! Nokia have been the leading phone provider ever > since there were mobiles, (certainly in Europe). They missed the boat on > Smartphones, because they stayed with Symbian, but they had a chance to > catch up with MeeGo. Even the Beeb doubt if the marriage will work: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2011/02/is_the_nokiamicrosoft_horse_a.html > 1. There are hardly any Apps yet. > 2. The system uses data even when it's switched off (probably fixed now, > but T-Mobile are still arguing with MS about that). > 3. The SD card can't be removed. Just in case you doubt this, look at the comments in the above link. -- Terry Coles 64 bit computing with Kubuntu Linux -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
