Re: Cannot delete IMAP Mail-Folder in Trash

[Gabriel Kaufmann]

Finally I was able to resolve the issue. I had to do close Thunderbird. 
Delete the misbehaving folders on imap-server Maildir/Trash. Start 
Thunderbird, did "Repair" on Trash folder after that and the files were 
gone!


There's only one waisted "ghost" folder shown for renew subscription 
(grayed out) that does not exist on imap-server. But it's not shown in 
my Trash-Folder anymore! So that's a good success.


I hope deleting folders in future won't make the problem reappear.


Best regards

Gabriel Kaufmann

Re: Cannot delete IMAP Mail-Folder in Trash

[Gabriel Kaufmann]

I have the same Problem with thunderbird on Linux.

It looks like thunderbirds imap-implementation is a little bit broken. 
Even if thunderbird tried once to get a mailbox, it persists in the 
profile.


I have FS-Layout in dovecot. Thunderbird somtimes try to get a 
submailbox with INBOX/firstlevel^secondlevel^thirdlevel


Then it doesn't find this mailbox on the server (for sure, it's 
INBOX/firstlevel/secondlevel/thirdlevel) tb tries to get next


INBOX/firstlevel^^secondlevel^^thirdlevel

and then INBOX/firstlevelsecondlevelthirdlevel and so on. And 
on each first login, tb tries to get all of them again and again...



Go to $TB-profilefolder/ImapMail/ and delete all of the *.msf files 
and search for the wrong mailboxes, described above... you will finde 
them.


And they are probably also in some config-files in the profile. 
user.prefs i think, and panacea.dat i could find them.


Delete all of the entries (be careful). Close and restart firefox. 
Good look, the phantom-folders are gone.



jakob


I tried that. In addition to that I did Trash -> Context-Menu -> 
Settings and "Repair". I also deleted Trash.sdb and Trash.msf in 
ImapMail-Dir of given Mailbox (after closing Thunderbird of course and 
restart afterwards). I think the repair-button does more or less the 
same than deleting msf-files.


Trash was rebuilding... but the Folders are still there. I was able to 
get rid of some other "Junk folders" (that not even where shown in my 
Thunderbird-Trash inside Trash.sdb folder). But the folders causing 
current issue are still present after sync! And on server-side (vmail 
Mailbox on imap-server) these folders are also there!


I'm still not able to delete them in Thunderbird. Still getting error 
Folder contains children, delete them first". Obviously this isn't 
possible as those sub-folders are not shown in Thunderbird! On 
server-side of imap (vmail Mailbox) there are in fact sub-folders in 
those folders.



Best regards

Gabriel Kaufmann

Re: Cannot delete IMAP Mail-Folder in Trash

[Jakobus Schürz]

I have the same Problem with thunderbird on Linux.

It looks like thunderbirds imap-implementation is a little bit broken. 
Even if thunderbird tried once to get a mailbox, it persists in the profile.


I have FS-Layout in dovecot. Thunderbird somtimes try to get a 
submailbox with INBOX/firstlevel^secondlevel^thirdlevel


Then it doesn't find this mailbox on the server (for sure, it's 
INBOX/firstlevel/secondlevel/thirdlevel) tb tries to get next


INBOX/firstlevel^^secondlevel^^thirdlevel

and then INBOX/firstlevelsecondlevelthirdlevel and so on. And on 
each first login, tb tries to get all of them again and again...



Go to $TB-profilefolder/ImapMail/ and delete all of the *.msf files and 
search for the wrong mailboxes, described above... you will finde them.


And they are probably also in some config-files in the profile. 
user.prefs i think, and panacea.dat i could find them.


Delete all of the entries (be careful). Close and restart firefox. Good 
look, the phantom-folders are gone.



jakob


Am 06.02.2018 um 07:15 schrieb Rupert Gallagher:
We have the same problem, with a twist. When Thunderbird deletes a 
folder, it is still shown by the GUI. Dovecot deleted the folder 
correctly, and the sunscriptions file is also correct. Some other 
times, on shared folders, Thunderbird refuses to delete; in this case, 
apple mail on iphone can delete successfully. This suggests that the 
problem is in Thunderbird's code.


R


On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 21:55, Remko Lodder > wrote:
On 5 Feb 2018, at 17:32, Aki Tuomi > wrote:
On February 5, 2018 at 6:16 PM Gabriel Kaufmann 
> wrote:



Doesn't anyone have an idea?

It looks like Dovecot and/or Thunderbird simply "ignore" 
sub-folders of

IMAP-Folder in Trash/ as they are also not shown in Trash-Folder.
Sub-Folder for INBOX and other IMAP-Folders work perfect (using
layout=fs Mailbox).

Why doesn't this work for Trash?

Best regards

Gabriel Kaufmann



Can you try running this as root and provide output?

doveadm -Dv -o mail_debug=yes mailbox delete -u username 
Trash/Somefolder


Aki



I had the same with Mac Mail.app. I decided to rm -rf the sdbox file 
on the master and replica and I won.

It was persistant though and I think it had to do with the following:

I let my mail deliver in yearboxes, which have many many subfolders, 
some are just "placeholders". They appear different in the view.
Regular mailboxes are "dark" in colors, placeholder boxes are "white" 
in colors (see attachment), where winkels is the "placeholder" folder 
and "action" is the regular mailbox in which mail gets delivered.


I could not get rid of those "winkels" kind of folders". Only by 
force removing them from the filesystem hierarchie.


Hope this helps a bit :)

Cheers
Remko

Re: Cannot delete IMAP Mail-Folder in Trash

[Gabriel Kaufmann]

Hello,

the folders exist physically in vmail-storage on filesystem for the 
given Mailbox\MailDir\Trash. I already tried to refresh subscription 
using IMAP on Thunderbird. Is there any other way using CLI and dovecot 
to (re-)check subscriptions or do some kind of rescan?


Trying to delete the physically (in file-system on server) existing 
folders using IMAP always complains that the folder is not empty. In 
fact some of these folders also had sub-folders in IMAP before being 
deleted into Trash. In Filesystem these sub-folders also exist 
physically! But in trash they are not shown anymore - only their 
parent-folder without those children.


I'm using "layout=fs" option (physical folder/sub-folder and not MBOX 
like "folder.sub-folder.sub-sub-folder". It feels like Trash is ignoring 
this layout. I didn't figure out there is any option that is required to 
configure trash (separately from Mailbox-Namespace in dovecot) to 
recognise this.


Best regards

Gabriel Kaufmann

Re: Cannot delete IMAP Mail-Folder in Trash

[Steffen Kaiser]

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I've noticed an annoying problem. Trying to delete a folder that has been 
deleted on IMAP and is moved to trash has problems being deleted. Thunderbird


does you have subscribed a probably non-existant subfolder of that folder? 
Check out the subscription file.



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Re: Cannot delete IMAP Mail-Folder in Trash

[Rupert Gallagher]

We have the same problem, with a twist. When Thunderbird deletes a folder, it 
is still shown by the GUI. Dovecot deleted the folder correctly, and the 
sunscriptions file is also correct. Some other times, on shared folders, 
Thunderbird refuses to delete; in this case, apple mail on iphone can delete 
successfully. This suggests that the problem is in Thunderbird's code.

R

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 21:55, Remko Lodder  wrote:

>> On 5 Feb 2018, at 17:32, Aki Tuomi  wrote:
>>
>>> On February 5, 2018 at 6:16 PM Gabriel Kaufmann  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Doesn't anyone have an idea?
>>>
>>> It looks like Dovecot and/or Thunderbird simply "ignore" sub-folders of
>>> IMAP-Folder in Trash/ as they are also not shown in Trash-Folder.
>>> Sub-Folder for INBOX and other IMAP-Folders work perfect (using
>>> layout=fs Mailbox).
>>>
>>> Why doesn't this work for Trash?
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Gabriel Kaufmann
>>
>> Can you try running this as root and provide output?
>>
>> doveadm -Dv -o mail_debug=yes mailbox delete -u username Trash/Somefolder
>>
>> Aki
>
> I had the same with Mac Mail.app. I decided to rm -rf the sdbox file on the 
> master and replica and I won.
> It was persistant though and I think it had to do with the following:
>
> I let my mail deliver in yearboxes, which have many many subfolders, some are 
> just "placeholders". They appear different in the view.
> Regular mailboxes are "dark" in colors, placeholder boxes are "white" in 
> colors (see attachment), where winkels is the "placeholder" folder and 
> "action" is the regular mailbox in which mail gets delivered.
>
> I could not get rid of those "winkels" kind of folders". Only by force 
> removing them from the filesystem hierarchie.
>
> Hope this helps a bit :)
>
> Cheers
> Remko

Re: Cannot delete IMAP Mail-Folder in Trash

[Remko Lodder]

> On 5 Feb 2018, at 17:32, Aki Tuomi  > wrote:
> 
> 
>> On February 5, 2018 at 6:16 PM Gabriel Kaufmann > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Doesn't anyone have an idea?
>> 
>> It looks like Dovecot and/or Thunderbird simply "ignore" sub-folders of
>> IMAP-Folder in Trash/ as they are also not shown in Trash-Folder.
>> Sub-Folder for INBOX and other IMAP-Folders work perfect (using
>> layout=fs Mailbox).
>> 
>> Why doesn't this work for Trash?
>> 
>> Best regards
>> 
>> Gabriel Kaufmann
>> 
> 
> Can you try running this as root and provide output?
> 
> doveadm -Dv -o mail_debug=yes mailbox delete -u username Trash/Somefolder
> 
> Aki


I had the same with Mac Mail.app. I decided to rm -rf the sdbox file on the 
master and replica and I won.
It was persistant though and I think it had to do with the following:

I let my mail deliver in yearboxes, which have many many subfolders, some are 
just “placeholders”. They appear different in the view.
Regular mailboxes are “dark” in colors, placeholder boxes are “white” in colors 
(see attachment), where winkels is the “placeholder” folder and “action” is the 
regular mailbox in which mail gets delivered.

I could not get rid of those “winkels” kind of folders”. Only by force removing 
them from the filesystem hierarchie.

Hope this helps a bit :)

Cheers
Remko





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Re: Cannot delete IMAP Mail-Folder in Trash

[Aki Tuomi]

> On February 5, 2018 at 6:16 PM Gabriel Kaufmann  wrote:
> 
> 
> Doesn't anyone have an idea?
> 
> It looks like Dovecot and/or Thunderbird simply "ignore" sub-folders of 
> IMAP-Folder in Trash/ as they are also not shown in Trash-Folder. 
> Sub-Folder for INBOX and other IMAP-Folders work perfect (using 
> layout=fs Mailbox).
> 
> Why doesn't this work for Trash?
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Gabriel Kaufmann
>

Can you try running this as root and provide output?

doveadm -Dv -o mail_debug=yes mailbox delete -u username Trash/Somefolder

Aki

Re: Cannot delete IMAP Mail-Folder in Trash

[Gabriel Kaufmann]

Doesn't anyone have an idea?

It looks like Dovecot and/or Thunderbird simply "ignore" sub-folders of 
IMAP-Folder in Trash/ as they are also not shown in Trash-Folder. 
Sub-Folder for INBOX and other IMAP-Folders work perfect (using 
layout=fs Mailbox).


Why doesn't this work for Trash?

Best regards

Gabriel Kaufmann

Cannot delete IMAP Mail-Folder in Trash

[Gabriel Kaufmann]

Hello,

I've noticed an annoying problem. Trying to delete a folder that has 
been deleted on IMAP and is moved to trash has problems being deleted. 
Thunderbird reports:
"Folder contains children" and stops there. Folder at first disappears. 
But after restarting Thunderbird they are still there and on 
Dovecot-Mailbox folder on the server the folders are also still present.


I'm using Dovecot 2.2.18 + Thunderbird + FS-Layout.

I already tried this workaround-mode:


/protocol imap { //imap_client_workarounds = tb-extra-mailbox-sep //}/


   best regards

   Gabriel Kaufmann
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