[PSES] UK plug adaptors with fuse?
Hi We have been checking several travel adopters for importers here in EU, but we have to fail nearly all of them. One big issue is the UK plug. As I understand they shall comply with BS 1363-3. And in this standard §12.4 e) there is a requirement for BS 1363 or BS 643 fuses. Some adapters have an 5x20 IEC fuse some have thermo fuses and many have no fuse at all. Do I overlook some exceptions or new requirements, that allows adaptors without BS fuse, or are they all just "normal" Asian low quality? Med venlig hilsen / Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Aps 22 99 69 91 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] UKCA importer/ representative
Hi all When we started understanding the new/coming UKCA rules, we got the impression that all companies selling products to the UK should not only mark the products and make a UKCA declaration of conformity BUT they shall have en importer/authorized representative in the UK (or North Ireland). But now when we read some new official information, we see that they use the wording: if you need to have a representative/importer he shall have address in the UK. Does that mean that not all imported products will require an importer/ representative company with address in the UK? Can some one point me to some official web pages that makes it clear when we need an importer/ representative company with address in the UK? Med venlig hilsen / Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Aps 22 99 69 91 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] Calibartion SW
Hi all We need to upgrade to a better system for calibration handling, but are not interested in complex SW solutions, just like an improved Excel :-) Can anyone recommend such a SW? Med venlig hilsen/Kind regards Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Aps Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Denmark Phone: +45 48 18 35 66 Direct: +45 22 99 69 91 k...@bolls.dkwww.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] personel lifting equipment
Hi I have trouble finding requirements for a baby cradle rocker. The rocker is at the same time the cradle fixing. The rocker have 2 hooks one for hanging it from eg. a hook in sealing and the other hook is used to hang the cradle on. (The cradle is made mostly of fabric and is CE marked). The rocker do not lift the baby but keep it at same level and according to the machinery Directive it is therefore not a lifting equipment. What will be the correct standards and requirements for the hooks?? I would like to tell the manufacturer that they shall use hooks with safety latch, but I can't find the argument. I know the standards EN 1677-xx but how can I find a reference that state that the hooks need to comply with these requirements?? Best regards, Kim Boll - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] God is good in EMC practice??
Sorry for lifting EMC up to a higher level, but some times I really need to get the devil out of the measurements :-) Have a nice weekend Kim Boll - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] God EMC practice
Hi One of our customers want to know if there are some good practice for emission compliance. I normally recommend 3 dB margin, but I don't have any reference to why this is OK. I know that some companies have internal rules for 3 or even 6 dB margin to compensate for production deviations and for many years ago VDE did have some rules like that. Does anyone have some good references on this subject? Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] Inrush Current
Hi We have several times been asked to test Inrush Current and have this function on our Harmonic tester, but it is not defined how it measure and we get very different measurements each time we switch ON the same EUT. I can't find an IEC definition on the measurement other than "peak current". I asume that it is most correctly to measure the current by switching ON at the top of the sine (90 deg), but what about duration? A peak current with a duration of 0.1 ms is not as interresting as the same current for 1 ms. And what if there are several current peaks after each other such as ringing wave form? Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] CE of battery equipment (Li-ion)
Hi all Regarding especially Li-ion batteries and rechargeable batteries in general. Battery equipment is not directly under LVD, but under 2001/95/EC General Product Safety directive we have EN 60950 and EN 60065, which includes safety of batteries, for some products but also excludes amongst other battery backup units. But what about power-banks which in many cases have a USB connector for charging amongst other Smartphone's. How do we define safety requirements for the battery here? There are also other products such as Seg Boards/Balanceboards which seem to be under the Machinery Directive, but still not under electrical safety requirements. How do we find requirements for the battery in these products. IEC 62133 is used under the CB scheme and a EN version have been issued, but under which directive? Several LVD standards requires that if a battery is used it shall be tested according to EN/IEC 62133, but if the product is not under LVD how do this standard end as a legal requirement? For me it seems that battery products have been forgotten in the EU safety requirements, or not so clearly addressed. Please any comment on this is very welcome. Best regards, Kim Boll - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] Vietman approvals
Hi all Does anyone have a good link to some English version of the QCVN 4 list of mandatory regulation for EEE or just some guide lines for type approval regulation on EE in Vietnam? Best regards, Kim Boll - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] Installations in France
Hi all I have a little special question. In France a mains socket distribution strip are only allowed to have 8 outlets (according to IEC 60884-1 §14.26 French amendment) , but what about a storage cabinet for 24 tablet PC (used in schools etc.) with charging of each PC. Shall they use 3 x 8 outlets each with a mains power cord or can a 24 outlet be used. I think that the following standard could give me the answer but I can only find the standard NF C 61-314 and NF C 15 100 in French. Can someone help me closer to an answer? Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] SV: [PSES] New EU marine directive
Hi John Do you have a different google than I? I only get different sources of the directive no supporting documents. Could you please send me a list with URL of the supporting documents you have found? Best regards, Kim Boll -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sendt: 9. januar 2015 10:49 Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Emne: Re: [PSES] New EU marine directive In message <005001d02bef$3f10fb40$bd32f1c0$@dk>, dated Fri, 9 Jan 2015, Kim Boll Jensen writes: >The old directive 96/98/EU with amendments will be changed into >2014/90/EU by not later than 18/9 2016. > >As I see it right now the changes are many. > >Where can I find a description of the changes or a guide or an article >about the new directive? Just put 2014/90/eu into a Google search. You can get the Directive and supporting documents without difficulty. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] New EU marine directive
HI The old directive 96/98/EU with amendments will be changed into 2014/90/EU by not later than 18/9 2016. As I see it right now the changes are many. Where can I find a description of the changes or a guide or an article about the new directive? Any information is accepted ;-) Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll jensen - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] BS 1363 design
Hi I have some problems with the outline of a small USB wall-plug type PSU with an UK plug and approved according to EN 60950. As I read the standard the layout shall comply with Figure 4a, and the outline shall follow this requirements up to 6.35 mm from the engagement surface, after that den design is not restricted. But how do I understand the R15 min. The manufacturer does not have R15 at all, but comply with the R9.5 around mains pins. Is there any good guide for the layout or are you free to reduce the housing around the ISOD pin? Beat regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Aps Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Phone: +45 48 18 35 66 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] SV: [PSES] UK plug
Hi Bostjan Sorry for not being so specific. I know that the PSU shall comply with EN 60950-1, it's a USB PSU. But it comes in different versions with amongst other with the UK plug. I found a British web page that informed that over 1000 different plugs have been found over the last couple of years that did not comply with the BS 1363. So my concern is to find the right parts of BS 1363 or a separate standard that addresses the plug of a wall-plug type equipment. Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Boštjan Glavič [mailto:bostjan.gla...@siq.si] Sendt: 27. januar 2014 16:41 Til: Kim Boll Jensen Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Emne: Re: [PSES] UK plug Hi Kim, What will be the PSU used for? Standard depends on the application. If the PSU will be used to supply information technology equipment then standard EN 60950-1 is applicable. BS 1363 is used just to verify plug part. I hope it helps. Best regards, Bostjan On 27. jan. 2014, at 16:32, "Kim Boll Jensen" mailto:k...@bolls.dk>> wrote: Hi I’m trying to find the right standard for a wall-plug PSU with integrated BS 1363 plug. I have bought the BS 1363-1, -3 and -5 standards, very expensive :-( but they all exclude plugs with integrated components, or am I wrong? What is the right standard to use? Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Aps Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Phone: +45 48 18 35 66 k...@bolls.dk<mailto:k...@bolls.dk> www.bolls.dk<http://www.bolls.dk> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] UK plug
Hi Im trying to find the right standard for a wall-plug PSU with integrated BS 1363 plug. I have bought the BS 1363-1, -3 and -5 standards, very expensive :-( but they all exclude plugs with integrated components, or am I wrong? What is the right standard to use? Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Aps Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Phone: +45 48 18 35 66 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] HF HV medical test equipment
Hi Im trying to find a test equipment that can be used for the EN 60601-2-2 §201.8.8.3.103 ACTIVE ACCESSORY HF dielectric strength. Test data is; 7.2 kV, Crest factor 5.4 6.6, Frequency 300 500kHz Normally I use a signal generator with modulation (to control crest factor) a AR HF amplifier and a HV transformer. But the only transformers I can get is only rated 100kHz so I need to drive them very hard to get a 300kHz signal through, and thereby I have now blown 8 transformers over the last 2 years. A good HV HF transformer could also be an option, but they dont seem to be standard product and a local transformer manufacturer could not make one for me. (the primary impedance shall be higher than normal) Where can I get a tester or a transformer? Best regards Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Aps Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Phone: +45 48 18 35 66 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] Length of coiled cables
Hi I remember to have seen an official definition of how to define the length of a coiled cable. This is very interesting when testing EMC burst on cables over 3 meter. When is a coiled cable 3 meter? Especially I need a definition for medical devices under EN 60601-1-2. Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Aps Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Phone: +45 48 18 35 66 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] field meter
Hi We are looking for a field meter for calibration of HF immunity testing. It shall cover 20 MHz 6 GHz and up to 100 v/m. We have found the RFP-04 from EMCTD with probe PI-01E. Have anyone experience with this or can recommend other products at a good price. Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Aps Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Phone: +45 48 18 35 66 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] SV: Laboratory Equipment - the forgotten child
Dear Brian You are absolutely right. This is a big problem. EN 60204 is not recognized around the world. I have just help a manufacturer to get into Canada and they had to comply to EN 60204 for EU and IEC/EN 61010-1 for the rest of the world. You cant get a CB certificate for EN/IEC 60204. I have put a big effort into finding a good way around EN 60204 but I get caught by EU guidelines and annexes in the standards. There must be other companies with the same problem. What do they do? Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Aps Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Phone: +45 48 18 35 66 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk Fra: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] På vegne af Kunde, Brian Sendt: 1. juni 2012 22:28 Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Emne: Laboratory Equipment - the forgotten child More trouble in the world of Laboratory Equipment (red headed step child) and the Machinery Directive. Ive had TUV offices in 3 Asian countries and a customer in Australia tell us our products (Laboratory Equipment) must have an AC Lock Out Device, an Emergency Stop Switch, and a Light Tower because Laboratory Equipment now falls under the Machinery Directive. They are telling us that any AC product requires a lock out device. What? On one instrument we make, the only moving part is a small dc motor with a wire brush similar to an electric tooth brush that cleans an electrical contact between analysis. You can stop this motor by hand without injury. This motor is also behind a double interlock door (due to an electrical hazard), but yet they say we must have an E-Stop switch and Light Tower. Im not familiar with the Light Towers. Ive seen them on Large Production Machines but what purpose do they serve on laboratory equipment no larger that an upright piano? I understood they are only required to show the operational status of a machine if not knowing the status could cause a hazard or injury. Is there more to it? I dont see why it would be needed if there are no accessible hazards. Im getting the feeling that some believe these things are required just because laboratory falls under the machinery directive and not for any other reason, which seems silly to me. In the past, the machinery directive mainly covered the safety of Production Machines which generally require these safety components. Can you imagine your next spectrum analyzer having an E-Stop switch because of the cooling fan or the motorized CD drive door? Is this what it is coming to? Why or why dont you large powerful laboratory equipment manufacturers fight for the official recognition of Laboratory Equipment and have our own Directives, Standards, and requirements and not have to wade through all the machinery Directive nonsense? What sense is the IEC/EN 61010-1 standard if they are not harmonized to the MD? Why are we being forced to apply the IEC/EN 60204-1 to Laboratory Equipment where 90% of the requirements dont or shouldnt apply? Sorry for my rant. Its been a long week. Im just a small powerless voice trying to sell safe products to a crazy crazy world.. The Other Brian _ LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher
[PSES] Construction directive/regulation in EU
Hi One of our customers has asked us how to understand the Construction directive and the new regulation, concerning their products. The make different kind of stationary road traffic signs according to standards; · EN 12966 · EN 12368 · EN 12899 At the moment they have no NB involved in their CE marking. We have made some test for them concerning EMC and electrical safety. I'm not sure how to read the directive/regulation and understand when a product is under which system (1, +1, 2 etc...). Will all tests have to be made by an accredited laboratory? Do all products require the use of a NB? Is there issued a guide on this regulations Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Aps Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Phone: +45 48 18 35 66 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] A Machine or not A Machine!
Hi all I have a machine which is a combination of a transport system for meat and an x-ray test instrument for measuring the meat quality. For EU it would be natural to use EN 60204 for the complete product, but what about outside EU? I was looking at EN/UL 61010 since it is a measuring instrument, but how would US and Canada look at the transportation system? Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Aps Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Phone: +45 48 18 35 66 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] SV: Power adapter change from ITE to Medical.
Hi Rick An 60601-1 approved PSU will pass 60950 requirements for safety. But the router is not automatically in complians with 60601-1 just because it is powered from a medical grade PSU. Yuo can connect the output from the secondary to earth, but this will have great influence on how the connected medical devices shall be designed. It is absolutly best to make it float, when looking at medical electrical safety. Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Aps Denmark Fra: emc-p...@ieee.org [emc-p...@ieee.org] På vegne af Rick Linford [rlinf...@sonicwall.com] Sendt: 8. februar 2012 00:14 Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Emne: Power adapter change from ITE to Medical. Sorry for so many question at once and I am researching this in several ways, but I know and trust this group’s experience and opinions. Want to change an approved ITE 5 port Ethernet router switch device with external ITE power adapter to medical grade power adapter. This is a desk top type power adapter with IEC 320 appliance coupler. Is it wrong (or maybe how wrong is it) to assume that a 40 watt AC-DC 12 VDC out power adapter meeting 60601-1 (safety) and 60601-1-2 (EMC) will meet or exceed 60950-1 (safety) and EN55022 Class B/EN 55024 (EMC)? Can the secondary be earth grounded on a 60601-1 power adapter (i.e. green/yellow wire from input tied to secondary)? Does harmonic (61000-3-2) and flicker (61000-3-3) apply to medical devices if over 75W? Are WEEE and RoHS exempt from medical? Is there anything else I should keep an eye out for in this conversion? Thank you Rick Linford - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] EN 60601-1 3ed seminar
HELP Im trying to find a good and solid EN 60601-1 3 ed seminar here in EU, but all seminars I can find is held in the US. Can anyone help me? Dont misunderstand me, I like the US, but it more convenient for a Dane to go around in EU ;-) Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Aps Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Phone: +45 48 18 35 66 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] SV: 61000-4-2 3rd edition
Hi I think Patty is very correct here. The requirements in 61000-4-2 can be whatever they want, it is a how to test standard. The product standard (here 60601-1-2 and -2-xx) is the standard that sets the actual requirements. Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Aps Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Phone: +45 48 18 35 66 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk Fra: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] På vegne af Knudsen, Patricia Sendt: 11. januar 2012 00:00 Til: McInturff, Gary; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Emne: RE: 61000-4-2 3rd edition The higher ESD sounds like it might be a requirement of the product-specific 60601-2-XX standard. I used to test infusion pumps, capnometers, and pulse oximeters. The EMC requirements are increased for those products in the specific -2 standards. Patty Knudsen Teradata Corporation PH: 858-485-3748 patricia.knud...@teradata.com From: McInturff, Gary [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7:53 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] 61000-4-2 3rd edition Im trying to track down a customer requirement for a piece of medical gear and apparently Im a revision behind. They have a requirement for 15 and 30 kV air and contact discharge and they reference the 3rd edition standard. My current standard doesnt have levels that go that high. Normally I would look at 60601-2 medical electrical equipment .EMC compatibility . But it only requires 6 and 8kV. The standard is going through all the time consuming purchase request channels, until then can someone with the 3rd edition help me understand when the 15 and 30kV is required. The device itself is used in patient monitoring and could be used in an operating theater. Well meet their requirements Im just trying to figure out the paper trail that would lead them to that requirement, could be nothing more than a desired goal but I would like to understand it with your help Thanks Gary McInturff Reliability/Compliance Engineer Esterline Interface Technologies Featuring ADVANCED INPUT, MEMTRON, and LRE MEDICAL products 600 W. Wilbur Avenue Coeur dAlene, ID 83815-9496 Office:208-635-8306 Cell: 509 868 2279 Toll Free: 800-444-5923 X 1238 gary.mcintu...@esterline.com <mailto:brian.s...@esterline.com> <http://www.esterline.com/advancedinput> www.esterline.com/interfacetechnologies Technology, Innovation, Performance... - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] Green multi conductor wire
Hi all I have a medico HF surgical handset where the designer has chosen green as a main color for parts of the product. Also the 3 wire cable to the handset has a green outer insulation over the 3 wires. Internal in the cable the 3 wires are blue, red and white. The product is for single use and cant be re-wired. Green is normally used for earth connection in US and Canada. But can we use green on a mulit-wire cable. National deviations to IEC 60601-1 claims; A PROTECTIVE EARTH CONDUCTOR or a PROTECTIVE EARTH CONNECTION or insulation shall be identified by either green or green and yellow colour. Colours of neutral and POWER SUPPLY CORD conductors shall be in accordance with the Canadian Electrical Code (CEC), Part I, CSA C22.2 No. 21, and CSA C22.2 No. 49. Can we use green on a mulit-wire cable? Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Aps Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Phone: +45 48 18 35 66 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
automotive environmental testing
Hi Does anyone know where I can find standards/requirements for vibration test of equipment for mounting in autos especially in EU. Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Rådgivning Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Denmark T: +45 48 18 35 66 F: +45 48 18 35 30 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
UL flammability marking
Hi all I have been told that the UL marking on PCB (UR 94V-0 etc.) can also be something like E4. Does anyone know if the marking requirements have been changed and if so where I can get more information. Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Rådgivning Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Denmark T: +45 48 18 35 66 F: +45 48 18 35 30 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Rostest test requirements
Hi all Can someone tell me what the test requirements are for Rostest for lab equipment. We have the electrical safety part OK, but what about clima and vibration and EMC. Where can I find specific data on standards and if accredited test are required. Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Rådgivning Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Denmark T: +45 48 18 35 66 F: +45 48 18 35 30 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Vibration equipment
Hi all Does any one have or know where I can buy a used Brüel& Kjaer shaker head type 4817, 4816 or 4818 for shaker type 4802? Or just any old B&K vibration equipment can be of interest (I have been in contact with B&K headquarter and they don't support this old system anymore) Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Rådgivning Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Denmark T: +45 48 18 35 66 F: +45 48 18 35 30 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
SV: Denmark AC outlets
Hi again No, the shown plug was a special EDB (Computer) plug which was introduced years ago. This plug is not at all mandatory. It is used where you wants to separate computers from being fed from same outlets as vacuumcleaners etc. which could generate electrical noise or other problems. Forget that you have seen this plug unless your are directly asked to deliver products with it. Normally a 3 plug mains outlet in DK is protected by a fault current protector, but for industrial use it is not always true. Office and home use have fault current protection ! Kim Boll Fra: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]På vegne af aiken Sendt: 24. oktober 2003 15:52 Til: richwo...@tycoint.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Emne: Re: Denmark AC outlets Rich, The Shuko plug will not fit the special Danish grounded outlet. The Shuko pins are 4.8mm round pins and the special Danish grounded socket outlet will only accept the special Danish grounding type plug with unique (almost flat) pins. Here are some details I copied off the Feller web page. The top is the Danish plug, the bottom is the Shuko Rgds, Lou Aiken, LaMer LLC 27109 Palmetto Drive Orange Beach, AL 36561 USA tel ++ 1 251 981 6786 fax ++ 1 251 981 3054 Cell ++ 1 251 979 4648 From: To: Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:20 AM Subject: RE: Denmark AC outlets > > Kim, thanks for your input. Do I understand correctly that a 3-pin, > earthing-type Danish outlet is fault-current protected such that if a Shuko > plug is used and there is a mains to chassis fault, persons will be > protected? > > Richard Woods > Sensormatic Electronics > Tyco International > > > > -Original Message- > From: Kim Boll Jensen [mailto:k...@bolls.dk] > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:53 AM > To: EMC PSTC > Subject: SV: Denmark AC outlets > > > > Hi all > > I think I ought to comment this since I live in Denmark. > > The situation is not so simple. > > It depends on the installation location, industrial, commercial, wet-room, > type of equipment etc. > > 1. The most widely used system is a non-grounded socket protected by a > fault-current circuit (app. 30 mA). Here a Schuko type plug is preferred. > This covers 90% of all commercial installations and 50% of all office > installations. Therefore for in commercial use people have problems with the > grounded Danish plug and will have to change it to an un-grounded type > themselves. > > 2. New requirements for installations calls for installation of the Danish > grounded socket every-where. Here a Schuko is not good. But this requirement > is only for new building installation NOT a requirements for equipment at > the moment. > > 3. For professional use (laboratories etc.) most installations can use > grounded plugs. > > 4. Some product standards have national deviations which requires a warning > on Schuko connector that the installation shall have a fault current circuit > or a correct grounding plug shall be fitted. > > Best regards, > > > Kim Boll Jensen > Bolls Raadgivning > Denmark > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]På vegne af aiken > Sendt: 22. oktober 2003 21:13 > Til: richwo...@tycoint.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; Ronald R. > Wellman > Emne: Re: Denmark AC outlets > > > > Ron, Thanks. Your note below is believable. > > I only added that comment because I know the special Danish grounding plug > requires the special Danish grounded socket outlet. > > The Danish people I have dealt with preferred the Schuko plug because fits > the ordinary socket outlets (grounded and ungrounded) installed throughout > Denmark. > > I have also been told by Danish people that if a grounded socket outlet is > required for a particular product, an ordinary grounding type socket outlet > can be installed quicker than the special Danish socket - availability I > guess. > > The notion that a special grounding type plug and socket outlet was > necessary, that is incompatible with ordinary plugs and socket outlets, > never spread beyond the boarders of Denmark. > > My background is mostly ITE and Domestic appliances. So I sometimes get to > thinking the world revolves around those two categories. > > Best Regards, > > Lou Aiken, LaMer LLC > 27109 Palmetto Drive > Orange Beach, AL > 36561 USA > > tel ++ 1 251 981 6786 > fax ++ 1 251 981 3054 > Cell ++ 1 251 979 4648 > - Original Message - > From: Ronald R. Wellman > To: aiken ; ; > > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: Denmark AC outlets > > > > Hello Lou, > > > > You mention that "In practice, eve
SV: Denmark AC outlets
Hi all I think I ought to comment this since I live in Denmark. The situation is not so simple. It depends on the installation location, industrial, commercial, wet-room, type of equipment etc. 1. The most widely used system is a non-grounded socket protected by a fault-current circuit (app. 30 mA). Here a Schuko type plug is preferred. This covers 90% of all commercial installations and 50% of all office installations. Therefore for in commercial use people have problems with the grounded Danish plug and will have to change it to an un-grounded type themselves. 2. New requirements for installations calls for installation of the Danish grounded socket every-where. Here a Schuko is not good. But this requirement is only for new building installation NOT a requirements for equipment at the moment. 3. For professional use (laboratories etc.) most installations can use grounded plugs. 4. Some product standards have national deviations which requires a warning on Schuko connector that the installation shall have a fault current circuit or a correct grounding plug shall be fitted. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark Fra: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]På vegne af aiken Sendt: 22. oktober 2003 21:13 Til: richwo...@tycoint.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; Ronald R. Wellman Emne: Re: Denmark AC outlets Ron, Thanks. Your note below is believable. I only added that comment because I know the special Danish grounding plug requires the special Danish grounded socket outlet. The Danish people I have dealt with preferred the Schuko plug because fits the ordinary socket outlets (grounded and ungrounded) installed throughout Denmark. I have also been told by Danish people that if a grounded socket outlet is required for a particular product, an ordinary grounding type socket outlet can be installed quicker than the special Danish socket - availability I guess. The notion that a special grounding type plug and socket outlet was necessary, that is incompatible with ordinary plugs and socket outlets, never spread beyond the boarders of Denmark. My background is mostly ITE and Domestic appliances. So I sometimes get to thinking the world revolves around those two categories. Best Regards, Lou Aiken, LaMer LLC 27109 Palmetto Drive Orange Beach, AL 36561 USA tel ++ 1 251 981 6786 fax ++ 1 251 981 3054 Cell ++ 1 251 979 4648 From: Ronald R. Wellman To: aiken ; ; Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Denmark AC outlets > Hello Lou, > > You mention that "In practice, everyone I know sends Schuko plugs to > Denmark." Well, that is not necessarily true for manufacturers of test and > measurement, and laboratory equipment. I have always specified the Danish > plugs for Denmark without any problems for T&M equipment. In fact, I had > requests from people in Denmark to not ship Schuko power cords to Denmark > but only the Danish power cords. > > Best regards, > Ron Wellman > > At 12:28 PM 10/22/2003 -0500, aiken wrote: > > >Rich, > > > >That is true, and not only in Denmark but throughout much of the > >world. > > > >That Schuko plug (CEE 7, Standard Sheet VII) is specifically designed to fit > >either a grounded or ungrounded socket outlet. Note the side grounding > >contacts. I will shoot you a pdf of the page in a separate note so the group > >does not have to down load it. > > > >The control is the installation requirement to provide grounded socket > >outlets but only where they are considered necessary. > > > >The exceptions being North America, the UK, Australia & NZ. > > > >Over the years I have observed that where the national language is English, > >grounding type socket outlets are provided everywhere. In most other > >countries grounded socket outlets are required in areas where grounding is > >considered necessary. I am sure there exceptions. > > > >This is an over simplification when the product also connects to the > >telephone network and grounding is necessary to provide extra protection > >between mains circuits and telephone circuits. > > > >I have never seen two surveys of REQUIRED plug approvals that agreed > >with one another. I eliminated that concern years ago by specifying plugs > >with the approval mark, if the country had such a mark available. > > > >Therefore, I am uncertain if the DEMKO mark is required in Denmark. > > > >Chances are that any mark from any EU country is enough. > > > >Schuko plugs made by major manufacturers will have the DEMKO approval mark. > >I always liked Feller with HQ near Vienna, Austria. There is a lot of > >information in their catalog; you should send for one. > > > >There IS a speci
Chemicals in test equipment
Hi all I'm working on a automatic milk test equipment. It uses small sticks with dry chemicals on. A drop of milk is but on the stick and after 5 minutes the colour spectrum is measured. Now my problem is where do I get information on which chemicals are allowed to be use and which are restricted. This concerns the following stages: selling/exporting the sticks using the sticks in the equipment waste The product will be sold in EU and US/Canada. A good web page with information would be great, but also a good consultant could be used or any other help. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Rådgivning Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Tlf.: 48 18 35 66 Fax: 48 18 35 30 Mobil: 22 99 69 91 E-mail: k...@bolls.dk web: www.bolls.dk This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
SV: FCC part 15 verification
Hi all Funny to see how questions which seems to too simple, can turn out to be difficult. I have been into to the same problem before. I think we need to look at the FCC text it self. The definition in 47 FCC Part 15 Subpart A says: 15.3 (z) Unintentional radiator. A device that intentionally generates radio frequency energy for use within the device, or that sends radio frequency signals by conduction to associated equipment via connecting wiring, but which is not intended to emit RF energy by radiation or induction. 15.3 (n) Incidental radiator. A device that generates radio frequency energy during the course of its operation although the device is not intentionally designed to generate or emit radio frequency energy. Examples of incidental radiators are dc motors, mechanical light switches, etc. The 9 kHz comes from: 15.3 (u) Radio frequency (RF) energy. Electromagnetic energy at any frequency in the radio spectrum between 9 kHz and 3,000,000 MHz. If it was using a timing signal over 9 kHz it will be a digital device, and please notice some audio amplifiers are now using switching technique and can bring them into digital devices (see definition below): 15.3(k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a computing device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and uses radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement in any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards for digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital devices. Conclusion: As I see it the product is not a digital device (audio over 9 kHz is not a timing signal), the product is an Unintentional radiator, the product is thereby under Verification ( see 15.101 other devices). Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Rådgivning Denmark Fra: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]På vegne af Colgan Christopher [Soundcraft UK] Sendt: 2. oktober 2003 11:07 Til: ieee pstc list Emne: RE: FCC part 15 verification Thanks for the replies. I'm now happy that an incidental radiator doesn't need Verification. But now I'm confused as to whether and audio amplifier is an incidental or unintentional radiator. As the amp does not intentionally generate energy over 9kHz (it merely processes it) would it not be an incidental radiator? Regards Chris Colgan From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:72146@compuserve.com] Sent: 01 October 2003 22:05 To: richwo...@tycoint.com; ieee pstc list Subject: RE: FCC part 15 verification Richard Woods wrote: >> An audio amplifier that processes signals over 9 kHz is considered to be an "unintentional radiator" and must be verifified. << I don't believe I've heard of the FCC actually requiring analog audio gear to be verified, though even a cheap record player with 10 KHz audio does fall under the definition (uses >9KHz signals) of an unintentional radiator. What the heck, a _crystal radio_ falls under that definition. However, here's an interesting look at the REALLY OLD days: "... we had a two hundred kilowatt Federal arc that was a Poulsen arc operated on DC, together with a 3300 foot self-supporting steel tower and an antenna stretched between three towers. In those days we spoke in terms of meters, but the wavelength in kilocycles was somewhere between fifteen and twenty kilocycles. If I am correct, I remember we could hear the similar installation at Panama without rectifying the signal, those of us who had good hearing. I mean it came out as an audio signal. ..." http://www.ieee.org/organizations/history_center/oral_histories/transcripts /stone9.html Cortland This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bache
Medical devices
Hi all Can some one send me a copy of CCA 227-7 Rotine tests for medical equipment, or point me to a downloadeable fil. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Rådgivning Hyacintvej 6 DK-3660 Stenløse Tlf.: 48 18 35 66 Fax: 48 18 35 30 Mobil: 22 99 69 91 E-mail: k...@bolls.dk web: www.bolls.dk This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
FDA registration of laser
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hi all good people Just a simple question. When using a CD or DVD driver in a product (PC or audio product) and the driver is FDA registered, do I need to register the final product at FDA too. I can't find a paragraph in 21 CFR which tells me when not to register. (The drives are Class I but includes a higher laser internally as fare as I know) Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark Title: FDA registration of laser Hi all good people Just a simple question. When using a CD or DVD driver in a product (PC or audio product) and the driver is FDA registered, do I need to register the final product at FDA too. I can't find a paragraph in 21 CFR which tells me when not to register. (The drives are Class I but includes a higher laser internally as fare as I know) Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark <>
Argicultural machines
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hi all Does any one know of other EMC requirements or other coming requirements for agricultural machines than EN ISO 14982. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark Title: Argicultural machines Hi all Does any one know of other EMC requirements or other coming requirements for agricultural machines than EN ISO 14982. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark <>
In-vitro
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hi all I have a strange problem. I'm trying to find EMC requirements for an in-vitro diagnostic equipment. The directive 98/79/EEC states in Article 1 §7 that directive 89/336/EEC (EMC) does not apply. When looking in Harmonized standards lists under 98/79 there are no EMC standards, BUT on this page; http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/ne approach/standardization/harmstds/reflist/invimedd.html it states that "OJ C 319 page 13 of 2001-11-14" applies to both 98/79 and 93/42 (medical devices) and this list includes EN 60601-1-2 which are EMC requirements BUT, BUT, BUT the document OJ C 319 does NOT include 98/79 in its heading, and this list of standards is not included on the list on the above web page. What is the right approach ? Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Title: In-vitro Hi all I have a strange problem. I'm trying to find EMC requirements for an in-vitro diagnostic equipment. The directive 98/79/EEC states in Article 1 §7 that directive 89/336/EEC (EMC) does not apply. When looking in Harmonized standards lists under 98/79 there are no EMC standards, BUT on this page; http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/newapproach/standardization/harmstds/reflist/invimedd.html it states that "OJ C 319 page 13 of 2001-11-14" applies to both 98/79 and 93/42 (medical devices) and this list includes EN 60601-1-2 which are EMC requirements BUT, BUT, BUT the document OJ C 319 does NOT include 98/79 in its heading, and this list of standards is not included on the list on the above web page. What is the right approach ? Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning <>
Cutter
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hi all I have a product which shall have CE marking and CSA/UL approval, but I'm not sure what standards to choose. The product is a portable cutter/grinding machine for electrodes for welders. The moving parts are 90 % encapsulated and have special holes in which the electrode can be positioned for right angles etc. The product has a On/Off switch and a custom made motor (230 Vac for EU 115 Vac for US) which is not approved. It has a nice handle and can be carried around by hand and placed on tables or on the floor. For EU I thing it is only under Machinery and EMC directive, but the customer wants also Low voltage directive to be fulfilled. Can someone please help me to find the right standards. I have some idea but I'm not sure. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls, Denmark Title: Cutter Hi all I have a product which shall have CE marking and CSA/UL approval, but I'm not sure what standards to choose. The product is a portable cutter/grinding machine for electrodes for welders. The moving parts are 90 % encapsulated and have special holes in which the electrode can be positioned for right angles etc. The product has a On/Off switch and a custom made motor (230 Vac for EU 115 Vac for US) which is not approved. It has a nice handle and can be carried around by hand and placed on tables or on the floor. For EU I thing it is only under Machinery and EMC directive, but the customer wants also Low voltage directive to be fulfilled. Can someone please help me to find the right standards. I have some idea but I'm not sure. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls, Denmark <>
Re: Safety Requrement for wireless component in vehicle.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Dear Cheng-Wee Lai For EU you will need an E marking, since 1/10 2002 the CE marking is not longer enough for this kind of equipment. This approval process is not very good implemented in EU. You are free to choose any national authority within EU but they don't accept the same test houses. If we go off line I can help you further. See directive 71/245/EEC and 95/54/EEC. In 95/54/EEC annex I 2.1.10 you can find a definition that includes electrical connections and cables, which you equipment is substituting. Also you will need to comply to the R&TTE directive 99/5/EC. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk Cheng-Wee Lai skriver: > Dear All, > > Automotive safety is not my field but I have come across this device that > are maybe some of you can give me some input. > > This device (small black box) is an add on device that tap into vehicle > signal wire, so information like braking, turning signaling, can be sent > wirelessly to the back of the trailer without pulling wire to the back. The > question is that are there any vehicle safety standard guarding this kind of > device. > > My primary concern is the reliability of the signal get to the taillight, > which could become a hazard if taillight fail to interpret signal on time > and correctly. > > Thanks, > Cheng-Wee Lai > > --- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com > Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Title: Re: Safety Requrement for wireless component in vehicle. Dear Cheng-Wee Lai For EU you will need an E marking, since 1/10 2002 the CE marking is not longer enough for this kind of equipment. This approval process is not very good implemented in EU. You are free to choose any national authority within EU but they don't accept the same test houses. If we go off line I can help you further. See directive 71/245/EEC and 95/54/EEC. In 95/54/EEC annex I 2.1.10 you can find a definition that includes electrical connections and cables, which you equipment is substituting. Also you will need to comply to the R&TTE directive 99/5/EC. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk Cheng-Wee Lai skriver: > Dear All, > > Automotive safety is not my field but I have come across this device that > are maybe some of you can give me some input. > > This device (small black box) is an add on device that tap into vehicle > signal wire, so information like braking, turning signaling, can be sent > wirelessly to the back of the trailer without pulling wire to the back. The > question is that are there any vehicle safety standard guarding this kind of > device. > > My primary concern is the reliability of the signal get to the taillight, > which could become a hazard if taillight fail to interpret signal on time > and correctly. > > Thanks, > Cheng-Wee Lai > > --- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com > Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc <>
Re: 60950 clauses
Dear Brian Please indicate where in the standard these references are made, because it could be that they should have referred to another clause which exist. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark www.bolls.dk boconn...@t-yuden.com skriver: > > > The index of my copy of EN 60950:2000 refers to non-existent clauses > (e.g., 7.x, 1.2.13.14, etc). Is is safe to assume that these are > "typos" ? > > R/S, > Brian O'Connell > Taiyo Yuden (USA), Inc. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Bluetooth in Israel, Brazil, Argentina and India
Hi all Sorry to bring this matter up again. I have now a list of 21 countries requirements for BlueTooth products national type approvals, and still need 4 more which I can't find. Can some one help with national requirements for SRD and BlueTooth for; Israel Brazil Argentina India Thank you very much. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark <>
South Africa and SRD
Hi all Does South Africa require approval of short range devices e.g.. Bluetooth. As fare as I can tell they require conformity to EU, US or Canadian requirements and have approved a lot of world wide accreditation bodies. But what is the actual national requirements, I can't find them at any national web. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark <>
BlueTooth
Hi all Does anyone have a world wide list over Bluetooth approval requirements or can point me to a web page with good information. It is not the BT approval itself but the short range devices approval/requirements I seek. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark <>
CE marking and governmental requirements
Hi all As fare as I remember when you deal with governments (police, train, buses etc.) the requirement for CE marking can be omitted. Can any one point me to an official statement/rule concerning this matter. Right now I'm involved in some automobile equipment for the police, which normally requires E marking according to directive 95/54/EEC. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark <>
Re:Conducted Rf Failures...fixes?
> Hi Alex and Joe > > Just to add some more information: > > Be sure that the ISDN circuit is in good balance and that the ISDN IC > have good ground connection and decoupling of supply. The noise can > affect other nearby circuits. Joe's idea with the caps on ISDN have to > be checked according to electrical safety standard because of > restriction on insulation to other circuits. > > The LAN will normally retransmit if a packet is lost. If you use a test > program which indicates every error in communication, I will suggest to > make some real life communication to seen if you have a problem at all. > > Best regards, > > Kim Boll Jensen > Bolls Raadgivning > Denmark > > j...@aol.com skriver: > > > In a message dated 10/8/2002, Alex McNeil writes: > > > > > > > >> As I am in panic mode, is there some guidance out there for me e.g. > >> is it > >> usually a matter of changing the interface IC's or hanging special > >> components onto the lines? > > > > > > > > > > Hi Alex: > > > > This test is indeed a difficult one to pass, but in general the > > transformer-type interfaces that you are dealing with are less > > susceptible than some other types. I have seen ISDN and Ethernet > > interfaces pass this test without the need for extreme measures. In > > the absence of more specific information about your situation, I can > > offer just a few general guidelines: > > > > 1) EN 55024 allows you to use either a CDN or a clamp to induce the > > RF. Some people find that they get more favorable results with the > > clamp than with the CDN. > > > > 2) The interference is applied common mode. In *theory* your > > transformer coupled interfaces will have fairly good common mode > > rejection, but this can be compromised by a bad layout or by some > > types of surge protection devices. > > > > 3) If you have to add some filtering to pass, adding a common mode > > choke is a good first step toward reducing susceptibility. Adding > > caps from each conductor to chassis ground also helps, especially if > > used in conjunction with a common mode choke, with the choke on the > > line side of the caps. Note, however, that high value caps can > > interfere with proper operation of the circuit. > > > > > > > > Joe Randolph > > Telecom Design Consultant > > Randolph Telecom, Inc. > > 781-721-2848 > > http://www.randolph-telecom.com > > <>
Ampacity of telecom cables
Hi all EN 60950:2000 paragraph 6.3 talks about the max. current in telecom cables. If you don't describes anything about cable AWG you are only allowed to load the cables with 1.3 A. If you want to load with more you shall make a note in the installation manual which AWG you shall use. I think the ampacity can vary from different manufacturers but , does anyone have some kind of guide concerning ampacity of small signal cables ? Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark <>
EN 60601
Hi all I need a report form like those used in the CB scheme for EN 60601-1-1;2001 and for EN 60601-1 + A1, 2, 12, 13. I can't find anywhere to buy it. So could some one help me to get a copy or tell me where to buy them. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark <>
Medical devices, current limit
Hi all I have a medical device under EU directive 93/42/EEC. It is a class IIa product and sends some small electrical pulses through the body for treatments. Does anyone know of any limit for the current ? (voltage is generated from battery and is max. 16Vdc) Does anyone have the current/frequency diagram over max. current the the body can withstand without hazards ? (It is normally used for mains leakage current protection). Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark <>
PMM 8010 and 8030
Hi all I have just got a PMM 8010 and 8030 but without software, I can only download a WIN update from PMM not the whole software. Can some one help me with a copy of the original software ? Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen <>
digital devices
Hi all I have an active loudspeaker which have been using a traditional power supply, but will now be using switch mode power supply. Until now it have not been under FCC part 15 and ICES 003, as fare as I understand. Is a switch mode power supply regarded as a digital device according to FCC part 15 and ICES 003. It uses timing signals of more that 9.000/10.000 cycles pr. second. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark <>
Radio approval i Japan
Hi All Can some one update me with information on the following: 433 MHz SRD and Bluetooth product approval requirements in: Japan Korea Taiwan Singapore I need information on both EMC, Radio and Safety. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning <>
Creepage/clearance in EN 61010-1
Hi all I have problems concerning clearance and creepage values in EN61010-1. I have a product with a 24 ac and a 230 relay. The 24ac can be used for sensors and are regarded as double insulated in the 230 Vac transformer for safe operation. But what are the clearance and creepage to the 230 Vac on the PCB. (pollution degree (1 and) 2) I have found the following from table 4: Creepage Clearance P and N to PE : 1,5 mm 1,5 mm P to N : 1,5 mm 1,5 mm P to P : 3,0 mm 3,0 mm I/O to P and N : ? mm ? mm Best regards Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark <>
SDR in the US
Hi all I have a Radio remote control for use in private homes I have understood that 433MHz SRD is not possible in the US in the same way as in EU. Some FCC notes points to 902 - 928 MHz for this kind of equipment. I'm trying to understand the FCC but I'm hindered by no possible download of relevant 47CFR code (http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_00/47cfr90_00.html doesn't seem to function at the moment) Is it correct that 902 -928 is allowed in part 15 without license if output is below 50mV/m at 3m, and if I need more power I will have to apply for a general license under part 90 ? Please help me ! Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark <>
R&TTE and video out
Hi all I have an equipment which can convert audio and video (phono connector) signal from a PC to a normal HF antenna signal which can be transmitted though a normal antenna cable in the house to your radio and TV sets. The voltage of the HF signal is the same as normal received from an antenna. Does this product fall under the R&TTE directive ? According to my interpretation the definitions in art. 2 c) and d) say that it has to be used for TX to be under this directive. What do you think ? Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark <>
Re: RTTE
Hi I'm sorry if I have confused things a little. But I visited this page: http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/rtte/implem.htm And was so naive to think that when it says Adopted there was no national deviations, sorry. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls "Andre, Pierre-Marie" skriver: > I thought that Hungary and Czec Republic are "R&TTE" like,not 100% R&TTE > according to the type of interface some minor difference may exist > (label,DOC,...) > > Pierre-Marie Andre > Intel Sophia Senior Approval Engineer > > -Original Message- > From: Kim Boll Jensen [mailto:kimb...@post7.tele.dk] > Sent: mercredi 6 mars 2002 11:44 > To: richwo...@tycoint.com > Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > Subject: Re: RTTE > > Hi all > > Here are a list of all countries which at the moment have implemented the > R&TTE > directive 100%: > Belgium > Denmark > UK > Finland > France > Greece > Holland > Italy > Iceland > Ireland > Liechtenstein > Luxembourg > Norway > Portugal > Spain > Sweden > Switzerland > Czech Republic > Germany > Hungary > Austria > > richwo...@tycoint.com skriver: > > > Have any European states that are not EU or EFTA members adopted the RTTE > > Directive and Notificaion process? In other words, will any other European > > countries allow a radio product to be placed on their market if the > > processes of the RTTE Directive are followed without the need for any > other > > special national process to be followed? > > > > Richard Woods > > Sensormatic Electronics > > Tyco International > > > > --- > > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > > majord...@ieee.org > > with the single line: > > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > > Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com > > Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net > > > > For policy questions, send mail to: > > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > > http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ > > Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" <>
Re: In Line Fuseholder
Hi Bill Both Littelfuse and Wickmann Werke have these fuses Good Luck Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning, Denmark Bill Wilson skriver: > HELP!!! I'm looking for a UL R/C, 250V in line fuseholder for 5X20mm > &/or .25"X1.25" fuses. There are a lot of 32Volters out there, but not > 250V. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.Bill Bill Wilson > W.W.Wilson Associates > 508-651-1388 > wwwil...@rcn.com > www.wwwilsonassoc.com <>
Japan
Hi Does any one have the DENAN list of electrical equipment which is under the approval scheme in Japan. And also information to which standards equipment have to be tested Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning <>
telecom
Hi all I have lost my contact with the TREG group, can some one please tell me how to join again. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen <>
ITE in Japan
Hi all What is the status for Japan concerning both EMC and Elec. safety is it still voluntary to comply ? What is the best place to seek information ? Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen <>
marine equipment
Hi all Why doesn't marine equipment under 96/98/EC have a page on: http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/newapproach/standardization/harmstds/reflist.html with more details as the other directives. Is there another place on the Web where I can get more details about this directive ? Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen <>
UL Plastic
Hi all I need a EU manufacturer or distributor of HD PE plastic in sheets with UL 94HB approval as minimum. My problem is that the UL database register gives me nearly only PE pellets manufacturers not sheets. So I need to find the manufacturers of the sheets who is using the UL approved pellets. Can some one help me or point me in the right direction. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen <>
use of spirit/alcohol
Hi all We want to use 80% spirit/alcohol in a cooling liquid on a grinding/polishing machine for laboratory use under UL 3101-1 and EN61010-1. But by a quick look in the standard Table 3, it will require that the spirit shall be kept at a temperature of -13 deg C and no vapour may enter the machine, since the fire point is 12 deg. C as far as we can find. Have anyone some experience with spirit and know how to handle it ? Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen <>
Re: Basic Test Standards: old vs. new - which one?
Hi I find this discussion very interesting. The danish standardization body have the interpretation that if a standard refere to another standard by number and year (ex. EN 61000-x-y:1996) you will have to use this standard and not any new version, but they recommend that you don't use standards which have been outdated. They told me that there wasn't any official interpretation within EU, so before we gets too many questions like this I hope that we can get an official statement. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen John Woodgate skriver: > I read in !emc-pstc that Patrick Lawler wrote (in > <8vtu3u4i61c8t5ecflhqmpuppssiur4...@4ax.com>) about 'Basic Test > Standards: old vs. new - which one?', on Fri, 11 Jan 2002: > > >If CENELEC has updated a basic test standard (like IEC801-2 being replaced by > >EN61000-4-2), but the product standard used for system EMC testing calls out > >the > >old basic test standard number, which one do you use? > > 1. The situation OUGHT never to arise; all standards that call up > IEC(60)801 series (except those dealing specifically with industrial > control systems, which is what the standards were written for) SHOULD > have been updated by now. > > 2. AFAIK, CENELEC TC210 has never considered the question, even though > it should have. However, TC210 has no authority to insist that product > standards (except those prepared by SC210A) are updated when they should > be. > > 3. I will start a discussion on this in the BSI EMC policy committee > GEL/210, with a view to raising the matter in CLC/TC210. Other people > concerned should take similar action through their national standards > committees. DON'T, PLEASE, LEAVE IT ALL TO ME! > -- > Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk > After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. > > --- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org > Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old > messages are imported into the new server. <>
Lasting of the CE marking
Hi all I was just seeking through EMC LVD R&TTE and MD directives for evidence of my interpretation but I couldn't find it, so can some of you help me. As I recall there are the following rules: For EMC directive you will always have to produce according to the latest harmonized standards (after dow date) For all other directives you just use the harmonized standards which was acceptable at the time of entry to the market (then you can produce the same product for decades without retesting to new harmonized standards) Please help me finding the clauses in the directives which supports this statement. But what about R&TTE when new standards are harmonized where no standards was before ? Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning <>
Safety interlock
Hi all Does anyone know of a marking on a safety interlock switch whitch is a L in a circle. I'm looking for a switch which are tested for 100.000 cycles and I wander if the L marking was some thing like it (but I doubt). Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning <>
Re: ITE for industrial locations
Hi Jeff and all There are another issue here. When you say industrial could it also be light industrial ? Remember that Industrial in EU is sites with it's own transformer at the mains. If you are sure that your product is only Industrial just put a statement in the manual that the CE marking is for Industrial locations only. Put the same statement with some more details in your Technical file and I you can sleep well in the future. The only problem is if it is obvious that the product will be used in light industrial locations, then you should make the statement very large and also put it into the marketing brochures. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning "Bailey, Jeff" skriver: > Hello group, > > I am in the process of defining a test plan for a product that fits nicely > into the definition of ITE as stated in > 3.1 of EN55022:1998 and therefore into EN55024:1998 as well. My issue is > that although it is obviously ITE > (Industrial network communication hardware) it is also designed for use in > industrial environments not > residential. As hard as I try to justify designing the test plan around > EN61000-6-2 or even EN61326 I still > keep getting pulled back to the definition of ITE and therefore feel that > legally I must test to EN55022 and > EN55024. > > I am seeing this as somewhat of a flaw in the system as I feel my product > should be evaluated to an > "Industrial" set of immunity tests. Does anyone have any pointers on how I > can test the product within the > word of the law while still being able to sleep at night? Must I try to > squeeze more out of the budget in > order to test to the legally required standards and then test again to the > ones that make sense? > > I seem to remember a recent thread on this but of course I did not archive > it... > > Seeking words of enlightenment and thanking in advance. > > Jeff Bailey > Compliance Engineering > SST - A Division of Woodhead Canada > Phone: (519) 725 5136 ext. 363 > Fax: (519) 725 1515 > email: jbai...@mysst.com <mailto:jbai...@mysst.com> > Web: www.mysst.com <http://www.mysst.com> > > All comments contained in the message are my own and do not necessarily > express the views of SST/Woodhead Canada Limited. > > --- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org > Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old > messages are imported into the new server. <>
Material classification
Hi all Does anyone know where I can get a list of the material classifications used in IEC 950 table C.1 concerning temp. limits for motors. It is also refereed to in UL3101-1/EN 61010-1. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen <>
Re: EN61326 re-test? (was: M&E; Surge & Dips)
Hi Wm and "all" EN 61326 came in force by 1/7 2001 and according to the EMC directive, all that you produce shall use the latest standards. Therefore: 1) You will have to retest all products you put in production !!! 2) Sorry but I don't understand the question (I think I too tired now) Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning wmf...@aol.com skriver: > Since EN 61326 is a fairly recent vintage, and only _just_ displaced my use > of EN50082, a couple of re-test questions: > > 1) Standard product already tested and 'declared' before EN61326 need not be > re-tested to the terms of EN61326, correct? > > 2) Non-standard (modified) product, _based on_ declared product, tested prior > to EN61326, but requiring new E&I tests; must re-test to EN61326? > > Many thanks to all, and Happy Thanksgiving stateside. > > Wm Flanigan > Standards Engineer > Ameritherm Inc > 39 Main Street > Scottsville, NY 14546 > bflani...@ameritherm.com > 1.716.889.9000 > 1.716.889.4030 (fx) > > --- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org > Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old > messages are imported into the new server. <>
Laser products for Japan
Hi all Does anyone know of requirements in Japan for a Class 3b laser product: electrical safety EMC laser safety Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning <>
CISPR 11 and CISPR 22
Hi all Could somebody please send me the basic requirements for CISPR 11 emission limits I need to compare with CISPR 22 for a non radio product under EN60601-2. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Consultancy in world wide approvals <>
Products for evaluation
Hi all A customer of mine have a product which have a controller unit with mains power and an open Class 3B laser unit. The product will normally be regarded as a component for build-in but it can also be used by students for laser experiments etc. as it is. The product is not in production yet but is ready for shipment in a small quantity (around 25 units). If the product only was a component I would just send it around the world but it can function as a product by just "adding a PC" to a RS 232 port. How should I tread this product when sending it to US/Canada ? Can I just add a label on the product with a text like this: For evaluation purpose only ? And what about EU, the manufacturer is located in EU ? Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Consultant in type approvals --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Industrial ITE
Hi Bob When you are in the "grey" zone with products in more than one product family, the normal procedure is to state compliance to both categories by making a worst case test with requirements from both categories. The other way is to declare in the manual that the product is limited only for industrial use. The last solution is normally not good because who knows if customers are in industrial or light industrial areas. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Consultancy in EMC & Safety approvals world wide rehel...@mmm.com skriver: > If you have ITE equipment that is going into an industrial environment, > what standards > apply? In particular what generic or family immunity standards apply (I'm > not concerned > with basic standards)? > > EN55024 seems to be written for the residential environment (for example, > 3V/m is called > out). The generic industrial standard indicates that you use EN55011 for > emissions instead > EN55022. > > Is there a catch-22 here (no pun intended)? > > Bob Heller > 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 > St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 > Tel: 651- 778-6336 > Fax: 651-778-6252 > > --- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org > Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old > messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
TS0098/96 ?
Hi Can som one help me. One of our costumers wants a Surge test according to "TS0098/96 Part 1 issue Feb. 98". Where do I find this standard and what is the data of the surge test, is it like an ITU or FCC surge puls ? Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Approval manager Eicon Networks Denmark --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
North American test house
Hi all I need URGENTLY a test house in North America which will accept a Danish accredited test report for a Bluetooth product for FCC and IC approval. The Danish test house is accredited my national government and have just applied for FCC approval concerning Bluetooth but we can't wait for that. Can some one give me names of possible test houses so we don't have to retest it all. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Approval manager Eicon Networks Denmark --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on "Virtual Conference Hall,"
Re:Steel Ball For Impact Test
Hi, Some years ago I got one from a firm making ballbearing (SKF) they sell the ball's seperately. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen i-data international Denmark jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com (Jim Bacher) on 21-03-2000 13:29:50 Please respond to jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com (Jim Bacher) To: "Jasmine TAN" , emc-p...@ieee.org cc: (bcc: Kim Boll Jensen/INT) Subject: Re:Steel Ball For Impact Test forwarded for Jasmine TAN.Jim Reply Separator Subject:Steel Ball For Impact Test Author: "Jasmine TAN" List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 3/21/00 6:53 PM Hi, Does anyone has any recommended source on "Steel ball" for Impact testing as listed in UL60950. Thanks for your recommendation. Regards, Jas --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
MIL-STD-461
Dear all, Can someone help me ! I need the MIL-STD-461B and C version (I have D version) can I download these versions form the internet ? Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: EN 61000-4-2
-- Forwarded by Kim Boll Jensen/INT on 2000-01-18 08:28 --- Helge Knudsen on 2000-01-17 19:11:53 Please respond to "hknud...@image.dk" To: Kim Boll Jensen/INT cc: Subject: RE: EN 61000-4-2 I will just forward this answer since this is the right one for me and I don't think it was send to the group. Thank you for all the other answers which have been very informative too, and shows that there are more to this EMC matter than just complying to the standards. First of all this is a quality matter and not just a stupid requirement from some old dusty government officers, and some of the requirement is not even good enough for the real world. Hello Kim, The number 50 at each point comes from EN 55024/CISPR 24: "quote" 4.2.1 Electrostatic discharges Static electricity discharges shall be applied only to those points and surfaces of the EUT which are expected to be touched during usual operation, including user access, as specified in the user manual, for example for ribbon and paper roll changes. The discharges shall be applied in two ways: a) contact discharges to the conductive surfaces and to coupling planes: The EUT shall be exposed to at least 200 discharges, 100 each at negative and positive polarity, at a minimum of four test points (a minimum of 50 discharges at each point). One of the test points shall be subjected to at least 50 indirect discharges (contact) to the centre of the front edge of the horizontal coupling plane.The remaining three test points shall each receive at least 50 direct contact discharges. If no direct contact test points are available, then at least 200 indirect discharges shall be applied in the indirect mode (see IEC 61000-4-2 for use of the Vertical Conducting Plane (VCP). Tests shall be performed at a maximum repetition rate of one discharge per second. b) air discharge at slots and apertures, and insulating surfaces: On those parts of the EUT where it is not possible to perform contact discharge testing, the equipment should be investigated to identify user accessible points where breakdown may occur; examples are openings at edges of keys, or in the covers of keyboards and telephone handsets. Such points are tested using the air discharge method. See also IEC 61000-4-2 regarding painted surfaces. This investigation should be restricted to those areas normally handled by the user. A minimum of 10 single air discharges shall be applied to the selected test point for each such area. The application of electrostatic discharges to the contacts of open connectors is not required by this publication. "unquote" Best regards Helge Knudsen Jyske EMC - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
EN 61000-4-2
Dear all I'm writing on a internal testprocedure for our products, and have now come to EN 61000-4-2 ESD. What confuse me is that the standard (as I read it) only refere to 10 discharges at each point (and each polarity), but I have been told from several different persons that the right number is 50 at each points (but without any reference to any standard). Do anynoe know what the right number is and where I can find it Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen i-data international Denmark - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Working on products containing lasers
In Denmark the Factories Inspectorate have some local guids for employees. So I think you have to contact the Factories Inspectorate in your country. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen i-data, Denmark roger.vi...@wwgsolutions.com on 99-12-22 15:12:34 Please respond to roger.vi...@wwgsolutions.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org cc:(bcc: Kim Boll Jensen/INT) Subject: Working on products containing lasers Apart from what is in EN/IEC 60825-1, are there any health and safety regulations or guidelines for the safety of employees in UK/Europe assembling and testing products containing certified laser modules? Can anyone point me to helpful information on this topic? Happy Xmas and bug-free Year 2000 to you all! Roger - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Paper manual - CD-ROM manual
Hi all, We have a product which is under the following standards: Low-voltage directive EN 60950 Teleterminal directive TBR 003 (ISDN) EMC directive FCC part 15 and 68 (and other world wide approvals) The equipment is very simple: no user access inside equipment auto ranging PSU 100 - 240 Vac no external user accessible fuse We have a discusion about the manual. As I see it we don't have to provide a paper manual/quick guide, the CD-ROM manual which include all FCC text and other tech. data should be enough. But some pepole in the firm have always delivered a paper quick guide and will not accept a CD only. Can anyone help me in finding requirements for a paper version. (EN 60950 1.7.2 Safety Instructions; say "If it is necessary...") Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen i-data international Denmark - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Question about EN55024
Hi Sandy I would recoment that you take worst case testing from EN 50024 and EN 50082-2. Before EN 50024 many did the same with EN 50082-1 because in EU the difference between industrial and light industial depends on the mains installation at the costumer which you normally can't controll or know. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen i-data international, Denmark "Sandy Mazzola" on 99-12-01 23:25:32 Please respond to "Sandy Mazzola" To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc:(bcc: Kim Boll Jensen/INT) Subject: Question about EN55024 To All, EN 55024 (Immunity Characteristics-Information Technology Equipment- Product Specific) does not address industrial/Heavy industrial ITE equipment. All of the levels for the most part match the levels of EN50082-1 (Generic Immunity -Light Industrial). Is EN 55024 a license to release any and all ITE equipment to the formerly light industrial levels? I would appreciate any opinions as to how to specify/release industrial/heavy industrial ITE. Sandy Mazzola - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
EN50082-2
Hi emc-pstc's I have some simple but urgent questions Can I download EN 50082-2 (and EN 50081-2) from some where on the internet or just the list of standards with test requirements? or can someone help me with the following concerning EN 50082-2: IEC 1000-4-2 ESD; what is the performance criterion A or B ? IEC 1000-4-4 Burst; on DC power supply, what is the performance criterion A or B ? Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: fwd: Re: EN 60 950 and Denmark
Yes Denmark is a full member of the EU and therefor CE marking is required. Denamrk have national deviation to EN 60 950 as many of the other EU countries have. You can find them in the CB bullitin. Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen i-data, Denmark b...@anritsu.com (Bailin Ma) on 99-09-28 00:41:34 Please respond to b...@anritsu.com (Bailin Ma) To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc:(bcc: Kim Boll Jensen/INT) Subject: fwd: Re: EN 60 950 and Denmark Does Denmark have a different standard from EN60950? Is Denmark a member of CE? Barry Ma Anritsu Co. -- Original Text -- From: , on 9/27/99 3:31 PM: To: iSMTP@ACUS7@Servers[] Cc: iSMTP@ACUS7@Servers[] Peter, Can you cite the IEC 60950 section where this deviation occurs. In looking over my copy of the standards, and listed deviations in CBs we have done, I could not find a Denmark deviation as the one you stated. George Alspaugh Lexmark International Inc. peter%itl.co...@interlock.lexmark.com on 09/27/99 01:47:46 PM Please respond to peter%itl.co...@interlock.lexmark.com To: emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc: Subject: EN 60 950 and Denmark Hello Group There is a deviation in Denmark which states that earthing connection in Denmark may not be established through wall socket. My question is how do they earth Class I products in this case (if at all)? Is Class I equipment forbidden in Denmark? Thank you All, PETER S. MERGUERIAN MANAGING DIRECTOR PRODUCT TESTING DIVISION I.T.L. (PRODUCT TESTING) LTD. HACHAROSHET 26, P.O.B. 211 OR YEHUDA 60251, ISRAEL TEL: 972-3-5339022 FAX: 972-3-5339019 E-MAIL: pe...@itl.co.il Visit our Website: http://www.itl.co.il - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Temperature Measuring of Magnetic Components
Dear Mohajer and all If you are using type K thermocouplers you will have to turn off power to the component before measuring the temp. Since they are sensitive to magnetic fields. Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen i-data, Denmark Kamran Mohajer on 99-08-24 23:50:26 Please respond to Kamran Mohajer To: emc-p...@ieee.org cc:(bcc: Kim Boll Jensen/INT) Subject: Temperature Measuring of Magnetic Components Hello EMC-PSTCers, I wonder if anyone knows of the method of measuring temperature limits on magnetic components. I happen to get involved in this and found that my results are different than the vendors result by as much as 10-15 degrees on measuring on a same magnetic component. Even applying the thermocouple to different location on a coil seems to give you different results. Is there a method that I should be following to measure temperature with thermocouples methods, not change of resistance, on magnetic parts such as transformers, coils, etc.? Thanks, *** Kamran Mohajer DSL Compliance Lead Cisco Systems, Inc. Phone(408)-525-6121 Fax(408)527-0495 kmoha...@cisco.com *** - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Antenna preamplifier
Dear All, Can anyone recommend a suplier of an antenna preamplifier for a TEM celle connected to a spectrum analyzer, for measuring from 30MHz to 1GHz. I need arround 10 - 20 dB gain Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen i-data, Denmark - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
FCC form 740
Dear all, i-data (Denmark) is exporting ITE to the US, but some times our equipment is stop by customs because they want us to use FCC form 740. For a year ago I was told that form 740 was not used any more so I'm confused. Is there an easy way e.g. implementing some kind of statement on the invoice/customs papers or do we have to use form 740 ? If I need to use form 740 does anyone help me with a EDB version (the one which I can downloade from FCC is scanned and can not be edited). Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen i-data, Denmark - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Label requirement for conectors on teleequipment
Dear groupe, We are making a box with 3 x RJ45 connectors where only one is for connection to telenetwork (ISDN) the others are for Ethernet. I have seen equipment from different manufacturers that marks each connector with the tele X or the tele X with a dash over, to show which connectors are telenetwork and which are not. I can't find any requirements in FCC part 68 or the EU TTE directive which calls for this kind of marking. (The equipment will ofcause be approved and marked as required with CE xxx X etc.) Can anyon tell me if this marking is required by any athorities or if it's just nice to have to help users. Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen i-data, Denmark - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Load inductor
Hi groupe I'm tryimg to find an inductor for load test of a LAN circuit (10/100Base UTP). Do anyone know a manufacturer of 1% 220uH and 180uH inductors with the following specifications: Rparallel > 2Kohm, Rserial < 0.5 ohm and Cparallel = 12pF +-20% Best regards, Mr. Kim Bol Jensen i-data, Denmark - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Australia Safety (UL/TUV)
Hi Koh, Concerning the first statement in your letter: The TUV is NOT required for AC power devices. The CE marking is the only required legal marking in EU according to LowVoltage Directive. TUV is only "nice to have" and could be a costomer demand in Germany only. (TUV is a German institute). And furter UL is not a "must" for AC powered devices there are some alternatives for the US market. Best regards :-) Mr. Kim Boll Jensen i-data, Denmark - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Country of origin
Dear groupe, This question is not a safety or EMC issue but I think that some of you have been involved in something like this before. On the label with compliance information we normally also add something like : "Country of origin " or " Made in" this is required by some of the EU directives and others (normally just the country of the main company who have the legal responsibility. ) But my questions are; -what is the rules for this information, is it just country of the company or is it the country where it is assembled, and what if it is partly made in different countries ? -which authoryties requires this informations other than EU directives (and FCC part 68) Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen i-data, Denmark - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
FCC part 15 text
Dear groupe, I have just started in a new job and are preparing label text for FCC class B ITE equipment for verification. I would use the §15.105 text in the manual and the following § 15.19 (3) text on the equipment: This device complies with part 15 of the FCC Rules. Operation is subject to the following two conditions: (1) This device may not cause harmful interference, and (2) this device must accept any interference received, including interference that may cause undesired operation. But the production leader say that UL have told them that the following text on the equipment is OK: This equipment complies with the requirements in Part 15 of FCC Rules. See manual Where have UL got this text from and is it OK to use this short version ? Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen i-data, Denmark - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
EN 60950 productionline test
Dear groupe, For a year ago I got a standard under the LVD which called for a productionline test with HV test and earth test. I have now lost that information and would like if someone can help me with the number and name of the standard, it addresses IEC 950 equipment. Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen i-data, Denmark - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Telecom CE marking
Dear group, Can anyone help me with the layout of the EU telecom marking. Where can I down load the X mark layout . Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen i-data, Denmark - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
ISDN and transient protection
Can somebody tell me what I need to do for protecting an ISDN-S and -U interface concerning transients on the line (both burst and surge). Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen I-data, Denmark - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
ISDN and transient protection
Can somebody tell me what I need to do for protecting an ISDN-S and -U interface concerning transients on the line (both burst and surge). Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen I-data, Denmark - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).