Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?
On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, ai4a wrote: > David Guntner wrote: > > > > Tom Brinkman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > > > > > > Type 'sensors' in a term. You should see somethin like > > > SYS Temp: +28.8°C (limit = +60°C, hysteresis = +50°C) > > > CPU Temp: +44.0°C (limit = +60°C, hysteresis = +50°C) > > > SBr Temp: +23.2°C (limit = +60°C, hysteresis = +50°C) > > > There maybe numbers associated, eg, temp 1, temp2, etc. In my > > > example cpu temp is number 2. > > > > I think whatever this program needs is not available with the motherboard > > that I'm using. I typed "sensors," and then when I ran it a second time > > after I did a "modprobe i2c-proc" in response to the first attempt's > > complaining about it (oops :), it reported "No sensors found!" So, > > whatever it's expecting to be on my motherboard for that program to > > interface with, doesn't seem to be there. > > > > Do you need to run 'sensors -s' before you run sensors? I am very new > at sensors, but I think that is what I had to do! > HTH > Charles You need to run "sensors-detect" as root and follow the instructions first. There may be several more modules that have to be loaded before "sensors" will work, if it supports you motherboard. -- Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ati video card
Steve Young wrote: > > i have a ati all in wonder pro 128 video card. it works fine in xwindows > untill you switch consoles and then go back to the one you were in. the > colors get all messed up. anyone else have this problem or know of a fix > for it? I have a lot of Xpert2000 cards that did the same thing with XFree 4.0 (didn't work at all with 3.3.6). I upgraded to the XFree86-server-4.0.1-1mdk RPM from cooker and almost all the problems went away. Much faster too. -- Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
[expert] lockd problems
Anyone else having problems with rpc.lockd not starting at boot time? There's a check in the /etc/rc.d/init.d/nfslock file, in the form # don't start lockd if kernel-linus. if ! grep -q mdk /proc/version;then echo -n "Starting NFS lockd: " daemon rpc.lockd echo fi The comment states that this should NOT run lockd if you're running kernel-linus. Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but doesn't the "if" statement do just the opposite; no lockd if kernel-x.x.xx-xmdk, otherwise run lockd if kernel-linus? Therefore, no working nfs locking if you're running an mdk kernel. Is there some reason I don't know about for ditching NFS locking? I've fixed the nfslock script here and gotten lockd running since we really can't do without it (too many *NIX boxen of sundry falvors), but I was just wondering if this was a typo or if I'm actually missing something crucial. Also, I should mention that, earlier in the nfslock script, these two tests appear; [ -x /sbin/rpc.lockd ] || exit 0 [ -x /sbin/rpc.statd ] || exit 0 Note that, at least on the 7.1 installs I've done so far, all the rpc.* daemons are in /usr/sbin, not /sbin, another test that bombs out the script. Small problems, admittedly, but not so trivial when the number of machines gets large enough. <2:00AM coffee-deficient complaint of the day below> Otherwise, I like 7.1. The only complaint I have is the new menu structure; rather caught me by suprise. It works fine, no complaints there, but since we have a lot of off-the-wall software, I'd spent a lot of time generating custom KDE and Gnome menus that were consistent across the network. Needless to say, it didn't really survive the upgrade in a seamless fashion, but it's fixed now. Some warning that I was about to trash 14 months work everytime I added a package would have been nice, but it's my fault anyway... -- Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
Re: [expert] More Printer Woes!
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, your Nibs wrote: >#lprm job#s >#lpq "Warning: lp is down: lp is ready and printing >no entries" >Using suggestions from the List: > >#lpc restart lp >"no daemon to abort >daemon started" > >#lpc stat lp >"queuing is enabled >printing is disabled >no entries >no daemon present" After applying the lpr-0.43-1mdk.i586.rpm update to 6.1, I had problems similiar to yours. Truly bizarre behaviour, some files would print for some users, some not at all, others wouldn't print until somebody else printed a job, and then that file would print forever no matter what was queued. All on an HP4500 that was working fine until I applied the patch. I moved back to lpr-0.38-3mdk and all the problems vanished. I don't want to be unfair, but first the wu-ftpd update is broken wrt NIS, and now the lpr update is trashed. Am I just getting corrupt packages or is anyone else having problems? The md5 sums check out. Anyway, if you're running lpr-0.43-1mdk, try stepping back to an earlier release. -- Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
[expert] wu-ftpd
Sorry, already posted this one, but I don't think it got through. If this is a redundant post, please excuse me. Hey, anybody else notice some problems with the latest 6.1 wu-ftpd update? After I updated, users with passwords served up via NIS could no longer get an ftp connection (login failed, incorrect password). Wu-ftpd 2.5x doesn't have this problem, but I'd really like to get away from the buffer overrun of the week without opening up our central NIS server to FTP requests. -- Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
No Subject
Hey, anybody else notice some problems with the latest 6.1 wu-ftpd update? After I updated, users with passwords served up via NIS could no longer get an ftp connection (login failed, incorrect password). Wu-ftpd 2.5x doesn't have this problem, but I'd really like to get away from the buffer overrun of the week without opening up our central NIS server to FTP requests. -- Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
Re: [expert] Well now, this one looks real
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, you wrote: > But every time I try to mount this one, I get a single error mesage > > "Permission denied" > > Now the share is in fstab set up by linuxconf, and the common share > mounts at boot > > But the home share gives TWO fail messages at boot--identical ones. I had a similiar problem, could mount a share from one box but not another identical box. I added an entry into /etc/hosts.allow for the second and WHAMMO it worked. Saw something about the portmapper using tcp_wrappers now, and I guess that's true, but why only for one machine? Both are trusted hosts, almost identical in setup, even installed on the same day off of the same NFS tree. Then the same intermittent problem showed up on another 14 boxen; some worked, some didn't. I ended up adding a ALL: my.domain.here to /etc/hosts.allow, and now all are happy. Beats me why, but it works. -- Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
Re: [expert] ld-linux.so.2
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, you wrote: > >I noticed after a while of my box being up that ld-linux.so.2 > > seems to increase largely in memory and cpu usage. It keeps creeping up > > in size. Is this a memory leak? Is there a fix? Yeah, I noticed this a while back. Netscape 4.61 in Mandrake 6.1 reports itself as 1011 tty1 S 0:06 /usr/i386-glibc20-linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2 --library-path /usr/i386-glibc20-linux 1025 tty1 Z 0:00 [netscape ] 1026 tty1 S 0:00 (dns helper) while running. Bizarre, huh? It also has a tendency to lock up MUCH more than in 6.0. When it does lock up, you have to kill off the ld process to get Netscape down. I'm mystified. How the hell was Netscape compiled in this release? -- Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
Re: [expert] Bootnet.img data -- can't connect!
On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, you wrote: > I am reinstalling my Mandrake 6.1 by FTP. When I type ftp.rpmfind.net > and the directory (/linux/Mandrake/6.1/Mandrake) I keep getting the For an FTP install, use ftp.rpmfind.net /linux/Mandrake/6.1 Leave the last directory off of the URL, since the install is set up to look for things from the top-level of the Mandrake dist. -- Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
Re: [expert] BogoMips
On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, your Nibs wrote: >The server I'm sending this from is a 200MHz Pentium MMX system with 80MB >of RAM. On bootup, the penguin screen says it's crunching out 398.95 >BoboMips. BoboMips? Actually, I kinda like that. The implication being that one MegaBoboMips = one million Bobos. Or how about BonoboMips? >The reason I'm writing, is because my Pentium II 350 with 128MB of RAM at >home is only clocking out 349.80 Bogomips. > >Tell me this isn't normal? Anyone out there familiar with hardware >configurations that could help me track the bottleneck in my system at >home? I'd like to think that my 350MHz system at home is working harder >and faster than a 200MHz pentium. The bogomips rating is virtually meaningless. Some old AMD 486 class chips had rating well above most Pentiums, and many P-II's rate higher than some very expensive Alphas. It's basically a measure of how fast the processor in question does a particularly trivial loop test. Treat is only as a bragging rights justification. -- Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
RE: [expert] Suggestions for removeable media via parallel port
On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Fred Frigerio wrote: > I run Madrake on a Toshiba Satelite fine. Have sound, modem (PCMCIA), > CD, 98 MB, 4 GB HD. The only think I haven't been able to get to work is > my 32 Bit CardBus PCMCIA net card. Haven't tried much though but may > need it to work so I can get (finally) my han working. I mentioned this a few moments ago in another email, but in case you don't see that one, here goes. You'll likely have to go into the BIOS and switch PCMCIA mode from CardBus (or Autodetect) to PCIC compatible. Cured all my PCMCIA problems with both 6.0 and 6.1 on a Satellite 4030CDT. Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
Re: [expert] RE:Laptops (was: Suggestions for removeable media viaparallel po rt)
On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Vanco, Donald wrote: > If anyone has a working 6.1 kernel w/PCMCIA from a laptop I'd love > to have it I've got 6.1 working quite well on a Toshiba 4030CDT, but I found problems with the PCMCIA layer. If you have the BIOS option, try to set the PcCard controller to PCIC compatible mode rather than CardBus mode. If that fails, maybe yo could send me a dump of your PCMCIA config + /proc/ioports and /proc/interrupts. Having done about 30 installs on various laptops in the last few months, it actually doesn't hurt as much as it used to. Must be getting numb... Have you tried running as root and manually doing a "/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart" after booting? Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?
On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, your Nibs wrote: > And for those that did assist me in any problems that I may of have, I >have thanked and helped them in return. So unless you know me or how I >respond or act on things, don't comment on me or make accusations. That >will be one thing that WILL get you landed in a nice lawsuit. Got me? or >do I need to make it clearer for you? Kiss my ass, buttplug. What sort of contact with reality do you have? Lawsuit? Don't make me laugh. > >-Al > >> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Al Smith wrote: >> >> > Listen you neanderthal I do, do something constructive, I use the >damn >> > OS. I don't like it when I see and hear things get reported and >nothing >> > happens. This has been a gripe for months on this list. And for you >even >> > thinking I work for MS is low, makes me think you use a Macintosh >> >> Folks, haven't we learned not to bother with Mr. Smith yet? As near as >I >> can tell, he helps no one on the list, posts no comments worthy of >> discussion, and resorts to ad hominem attacks at the drop of a hat. >> Ignore him; my guess is that his "bug reports" have been similiar in >> flavor, which might explain why he seems to get little response. >> >> Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ >> >> "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." >> --The Bard >> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; name="unnamed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: -- Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?
On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Al Smith wrote: > Listen you neanderthal I do, do something constructive, I use the damn > OS. I don't like it when I see and hear things get reported and nothing > happens. This has been a gripe for months on this list. And for you even > thinking I work for MS is low, makes me think you use a Macintosh Folks, haven't we learned not to bother with Mr. Smith yet? As near as I can tell, he helps no one on the list, posts no comments worthy of discussion, and resorts to ad hominem attacks at the drop of a hat. Ignore him; my guess is that his "bug reports" have been similiar in flavor, which might explain why he seems to get little response. Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
Re: [expert] I feel stupid: telnet question
On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Patrick Putteman wrote: > Hi all, > > I did a fresh Venus instal yesterday, and today I installed all updates on that >machine. Only thing: now I can't telnet to the linux box anymore :o( > > I didn't change anything exept the updates. I rebooted the machine, tried a telnet, >and got 'connection closed by foreign host' > > Must be some acces restriction, but I don't know where to start looking. Any help >sould be appreciated ;o) On any machine you want to telnet INTO, please update the telnet-server package to telnet-server-0.12-10mdk.i586.rpm (available at fine mirror sites everywhere.) Since I have to telnet into almost every box here at some point during the week, I slapped it on everything. Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
No Subject
On Wed, 04 Aug 1999, your Nibs wrote: >Well I found the problem, package bin86 wasn't installed which was >fouling up the works. Thanks for the NON-help that I got from this list. Since Mr. Smith has so thoughtfully closed the thread he prompted with his inane banter, I won't cover his rather dubious ancestry in further detail here. Instead, if the same sort of problem should afflict someone else, try the following steps before insulting the rather nice group of people that inhabit this list. As root; 1. Mount the Mandrake installation tree (at, for example, /mnt/cdrom). 2. cd /mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS 3. rpm -qipl * >~/tempfile 4. Load "tempfile" into your favorite editor and search for the filename in question. Or use sed and awk. Or write a Perl script. I'm lazy, so I used Jed. 5. Look a few lines above for the package header; install this package. I believe this took almost 25 seconds from start to finish, which would place it firmly between the asking of the question and the prompt response some kind reader gave an hour later. You could write the whole thing up as about a three line Perl script, mount, search, find and install all in one, but that might take as long as five minutes. As for people like Mr. Smith, since this list is a free collection of volunteers and NOT the sole source of support for the product, they should probably buy the PowerPack and yell at the phone support people who are at least paid to put up with it. Having dealt all too often with tech support at commercial enterprises in the past, I go out of my way to NOT insult the sort of techies that inhabit these lists. Dear Old Al was, of course, an exception, though I trust a fairly minor one at best. And I would have the grace to be embarrassed by my comments of yesterday, but since I meant them, why bother? -- Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
RE: [expert] ipop3d issue.
On Thu, 05 Aug 1999, your Nibs wrote: >No one can help me with this at all? I don't want to have to >re-install the whole OS and 400 users here. Someone must know something >here.. heh.. Well, I had so many problems with ipop3d locking up that I moved to ids-pop3d (ids - It Doesn't Suck). You can get it from RedHat's contrib section, though I'd recommend recompiling the source RPM; the binary has a few problems. What's inside your /etc/pam.d/pop file? Can you give us a dump of it? Mine looks rather like this; #%PAM-1.0 auth required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow nullok accountrequired /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so -- Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
Re: [expert] Mandrake 5.3 and compiling kernel
On Wed, 04 Aug 1999, your Nibs wrote: >Well I found the problem, package bin86 wasn't installed which was >fouling up the works. Thanks for the NON-help that I got from this list. Now, anybody who asks usually gets help from me with no demeaning comments, but in your case I'll make an exception. >And on a personal note. I would like to thank everyone that did help me >with previous problems but as of late this list has not been able to >assist anyone with any problems. Listen cheezhead, I believe one person correctly identified the problem several hours ago. If I'm wrong and he mis-identified the issue at hand, then I believe you got exactly what you paid for. Of course, most of us wouldn't have to ask help in finding one of the most ESSENTIAL components of a development system to begin with, since indeed most of us can use rpm to find out what package owns a file, but only you would then sneer about the lack of help from volunteers in fixing a problem a chimpanzee hopped up on Angel Dust could have figured out in about thirty seconds. So go drag your ugly, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, raw-meat-eating self back to the rock you normally live under and let those of us with IQ's above the average arctic temperature get back to work. >I am truly disappointed. Most people who fail to achieve sentience _are_ horribly disappointed. Get used to it. -- Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
Re: [expert] linux on a sun sparc platform
I know RedHat has a Sparc distrib, I've tried it on a couple of different Sun boxes. One was an old 380, and Linux ran like dung on that one (no MMU I think). The other was a SparcServer 10 and Linux was very, very nice on this box; it seemed quite a bit faster than Solaris. There used to be a distrib for UltraSparcs called UltraPenguin, but I don't know if it's still in development as I think it was merged into RedHat's distribution. OTOH, there's nothing wrong with Solaris except for the rather high license fees for commercial use. If you download all the GNU stuff, you can actually get a workable system out the other end. -- Lee the B TTU Physics > Hi all, > My boss wants to move our largest servers over to Sun Solaris on the Sparc. I'm not to keen on this as Linux has been so > very good to us for three years now. > Is there a distrobution that will run linux on the Sparc environment? If so how does it compare to solaris?
Re: [expert] Laptops and Mandrake 6
At some point in the distant past you said: > I need some advice before I buy a laptop. I want to dual boot 98 and > Mandrake 6 Venus. I have never installed Linux on a lap top > and I would like to know which models are most compaitable since I really > want it to work well. I need x to work and prefer KDE. > Does anyone have any experience with Laptops who can give me some good > choices. Most of the ThinkPads are pretty well behaved, at least as far as laptops go. I've installed on the following IBM models; 365XD; P5-120, 24MB, .7GB, 800x600 (everything worked although X took some effort) 380D; P5-150, 48MB, 2.1GB, 800x600 (worked after Neomagic released API to XFree) 600; P6-300, 64MB, 4.3GB, 1024x768 (everything except modem works) 770X; P6-300, 64MB, 8.4GB, 1024x768 (wonderful machine with a BIG price tag) I'm currently using a Toshiba Satellite 4030CDT, 64MB, 4.3GB, 1024x768. The internal modem is hopeless, PCMCIA was somewhat of a pain to set up, and I had to patch the Xserver, but since I only paid $1800US, it was an excellent deal. Very stable and reasonably quick, fairly good active matrix screen although the backlighting is a bit uneven. Mandrake installed nicely with a couple of required adjustments to the BIOS. I haven't had many comepletely failed installations on laptops, but almost all of them have been a little tricky. I know a guy with an old Fujitsu Lifebook that has a different problem with each new release of RedHat. Another friend has this monstrous Prostar notebook with a 15.1" screen, everything works fine but the thing weighs as much as a large dog., and the installation was a nightmare. What's your budget? If you can afford a decent ThinkPad, they're great machines. Maybe you can catch a good model in a closeout sale.
Re: [expert] [OT] but , just had to share it
On Wed, 07 Jul 1999, you wrote:
> I have the tried the Shadow Seating but they Steward keeps telling me I am
> not authorized
> Jeanette
I can sympathize with that one. I once installed Shadow Seating on a running
airplane and all the other passengers disappeared, plus the pilot turned into a
giant turnip. I got the pilot back by landing the plane myself, booting into a
single user flight and running punconv ("pilot un-convert" I think). I never
could make the passengers come back though. Very sad, very sad.
--
Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/
"Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage."
--The Bard
Re: [expert] Modem Icon
On Tue, 06 Jul 1999, you wrote: > I logged out of kde, but my internet connection didn't quit, because > when I got to the console, my friend and I did some things there; and > then I came back into kde... the connection was still going, but the > little blinking icon was gone from the tray all I'd like to be able > to do is get it back into the tray at that point, without having to shut > the connection and start another one. Sorry, the lights only appear if you use Kppp to start your connection. I remember seeing some sort of little Xapp that put modem lights on your desktop, I think it came from RedHat's Powertools. Hope you find a substitute; always good to have more blinkenlighten. -- Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
Re: [expert] [OT] but , just had to share it
On Tue, 06 Jul 1999, you wrote: > Where can I find the seat-HOWTO.html can't find it anywhere and need to go > somewhere. > Jeanette Well, you can try the ADP (Airlines Documentation Project), but that HOWTO is out of date and only covers SeatFSv2; SeatFSv3 isn't really documented anywhere yet, as it was only released with the 0.9.4 version of air-tools. The "seat" man page is pretty good, but the "Flotation_Devices_FAQ" has a surprising amount of decent information. One HOWTO you should definitely look into is the PIS-HOWTO (PIS; Plane Information Services); it allows you to have the same seat on every plane, and when used with SeatFS, you can even have the seat preadjusted for you, and you always get the same spot in the plane. I've had problems getting PIS to work with Shadow Seating, but others tell me they've had no problems at all. Maybe it's an SME (Symmetric Multi Engine) problem. Oh yeah, try Sambair; it let's you use your Linux or UNIX seats on a Windows or NT plane, and when they crash, you don't die. Plus, oddly enough, you always get where you're going faster. -- Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
Re: [expert] MesaGL linking error.
On Tue, 06 Jul 1999, you wrote: > I get this error when linking witg MesaGL library > /usr/X11R6/lib/libMesaGL.so: undefined reference to `log' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libMesaGL.so: undefined reference to `floor' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libMesaGL.so: undefined reference to `pow' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libMesaGL.so: undefined reference to `exp' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libMesaGLU.so: undefined reference to `tan' Try adding a "-lm" to your link list. Sounds like it missing all the basic libmath functions. -- Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
Re: [expert] cooker
On Fri, 02 Jul 1999, you wrote: > Huh, sorry, but what does *drool* exactly mean? Sorry, I speak French, > english is my second language. Well, think of the effect an omelette with truffles would have on a French citizen who has eaten English food for several years, and you'll get the picture. (Apologies to any irate British citizens; England is one of the most wonderful places I've ever visited, and there are many things about England I remember with great fondness, but the food is NOT one of them. Aside from some excellent Tandouri food, I almost starved to death. On the other hand, most Europeans would run screaming from the things Texans regard as edible, so who am I to complain?) It literally implies that the speaker is salivating on himself in a hunger-driven frenzy, or else has taken too much thorazine and become a vegitable. Only a true tech-head would drool over a Livingston Portmaster (myself included.) -- Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/ "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." --The Bard
