[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-16 Thread guyfawkes91

> I lived diagonally from them on a couple of occasions and I was
> explicitly told that all the security was to protect the pundits.
> MUM's head of security wouldn't lie to me, would he?
>

Try throwing some wire cutters over the fence next time you're there. They 
might appreciate the gesture.





RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-16 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of I am the eternal
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 1:30 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's
highschools?
 
I lived diagonally from them on a couple of occasions and I was
explicitly told that all the security was to protect the pundits.
MUM's head of security wouldn't lie to me, would he?
He meant protect them from themselves.
 


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-16 Thread I am the eternal
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Rick Archer  wrote:
>
>
>
>> Why do they need barbed wire?
>> Perhaps that is because of the fundies in town or some other deranged
>> person(s), who might be motivated in a passionate way, to do harm to a
>> peaceful visitor from India.
>> Safety First!
>> It's a shame Fairfield, Iowa, USA...still has this dilemma.
>> R.G.
>>
> Has nothing whatsoever to do with fundies, the fence is to keep the pundits
> in. they do not want the pundits talking with anyone about their
> circumstances and situation.
>
> Nor do they want them running off to Iowa City or FF bars of having affairs
> with local women, both of which have happened.

I lived diagonally from them on a couple of occasions and I was
explicitly told that all the security was to protect the pundits.
MUM's head of security wouldn't lie to me, would he?


RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-16 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of boo_lives
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:39 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's
highschools?
 
> Why do they need barbed wire?
> Perhaps that is because of the fundies in town or some other deranged
person(s), who might be motivated in a passionate way, to do harm to a
peaceful visitor from India.
> Safety First!
> It's a shame Fairfield, Iowa, USA...still has this dilemma.
> R.G.
>
Has nothing whatsoever to do with fundies, the fence is to keep the pundits
in. they do not want the pundits talking with anyone about their
circumstances and situation.
Nor do they want them running off to Iowa City or FF bars of having affairs
with local women, both of which have happened.
 


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Apr 14, 2009, at 10:39 AM, boo_lives wrote:

Has nothing whatsoever to do with fundies, the fence is to keep the  
pundits in.  they do not want the pundits talking with anyone about  
their circumstances and situation.


And possibly TB.

Sal



[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread guyfawkes91

> You see the "clerks" every day. When someone is convicted and sentenced to 
> years in prison for, say, marijuana possession, do the clerks, the ballifs,  
> the judges, the DAs all seem to be mere functionaries, or are the, like, 
> "yeah we got another criminal off the streets?"  
> 
> It seems to me the Nazi clerks had to be committed to antisemitism, but, 
> surely, half the processors of America's legal system have dabbled in pot, 
> and it must be a challenge to put someone in a cell for a crime they've also 
> committed but not yet been caught doing.  Is this taking a psychic toll on 
> them? Do they feel like Nazi guards who are saying, "I'm only following 
> orders?"
> 
You'd be genuinely surprised. Probably the most horrific thing about the Nazis 
was that most of the terrible things were done by perfectly ordinary people of 
the sort that you'd meet in the local church or market. Nazi clerks were not 
committed to antisemitism, it was a job with regular pay and good promotion 
prospects. The Milgram experiment (look it up) demonstrated that people find it 
very hard to go against authority. Recent research has confirmed this and 
recent experience from all around the world is much the same. Evil isn't done 
by evil people it's done by ordinary people who find themselves in the grip of 
evil philosophies/ideals/isms or whatever. Most of the people you meet going 
about your everyday life would easily slip into the role of concentration camp 
guards if the collective morality became so twisted that it seemed like a good 
job with prospects. The example of what US soldiers got up to in Iraq confirms 
that. 

You only have to look at how people in the TMO behave towards dissenters or 
even long time devotees like Farouk Anklesaria to see how any ism where people 
believe they have the one true way and that noble ends justify questionable 
means will twist people's morality. Even if people are meditating and intent on 
creating peace the idea "ours is the one true way, we have a right of dominion 
over other people" is so poisonous that it will tend to encourage people to do 
very bad things. E.g. John Konhaus and others like him.

That is why people have to be on their guard against this sort of thing, it can 
sneak up without people being aware of what's happening. Until locking people 
away for life for growing pot or imprisoning people without trial because they 
have a threatening beard and a copy of the koran seems like an obvious thing to 
do. 

It should be part of everyone's education to read up on the history and 
psychology of Nazism and similar isms so they know how to spot the warning 
signs. In this respect the TMO makes a good educational example, how a group of 
mild mannered well meaning people can under the influence of the belief that 
they have the one true way can  collectively consent to be terrorised in the 
name of the greater good. And how people regulary practising a technique that's 
supposed to make you friendly with everyone can end up with some of them hating 
people and seeking out dissenters to be punished. 

The idea "we are the chosen ones" is always utterly evil. But for some people, 
it offers a secure job with a chance for promotion.









[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "guyfawkes91"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Imagine this lecturer giving us an analysis of the TMO.
> > >  
> > > It would be about as far left on his spectrum as you 
> > > could get. An extreme oligarchy with Bevan as de-facto 
> > > ruler and Nader as puppet figurehead, and the Rajas 
> > > obediently following the command of a small clique 
> > > centered around Bevan, though Hagelin & Nader do try 
> > > to exert a moderating influence. 
> > 
> > Can't argue with this.
> > 
> > > The TMO is facism in a petri dish, it has most of the 
> > > characteristics of facsism but neutered by the mellowing 
> > > influence of TM. You can prod it, poke it and analyze it 
> > > without being dragged out of your bed in the middle of 
> > > the night to be shot. 
> > 
> > I would characterize it more as a royal
> > society with overtones of fascism, very 
> > similar to the society portrayed in the
> > new American TV series "Kings."
> > 
> > The difference there is that the King
> > really does have the power to have you
> > dragged out of your bed in the middle of
> > the night and shot, and does just that.
> > And so far, there is no hereditary inher-
> > itance of the Kingship.
> > 
> > > If the global country was a real country with borders it 
> > > would be one of those countries that have border guards 
> > > to keep people in not to keep people out.
> > 
> > You mean like the barbed wire around the
> > "pundit compound" in Fairfield?  :-)
> >
> Why do they need barbed wire?
> Perhaps that is because of the fundies in town or some  other deranged 
> person(s), who might be motivated in a passionate way, to do harm to a 
> peaceful visitor from India.
> Safety First!
> It's a shame Fairfield, Iowa, USA...still has this dilemma.
> R.G.
>
Has nothing whatsoever to do with fundies, the fence is to keep the pundits in. 
 they do not want the pundits talking with anyone about their circumstances and 
situation.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread Duveyoung
Marek,

You see the "clerks" every day. When someone is convicted and sentenced to 
years in prison for, say, marijuana possession, do the clerks, the ballifs,  
the judges, the DAs all seem to be mere functionaries, or are the, like, "yeah 
we got another criminal off the streets?"  

It seems to me the Nazi clerks had to be committed to antisemitism, but, 
surely, half the processors of America's legal system have dabbled in pot, and 
it must be a challenge to put someone in a cell for a crime they've also 
committed but not yet been caught doing.  Is this taking a psychic toll on 
them? Do they feel like Nazi guards who are saying, "I'm only following orders?"

Edg





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis"  wrote:
>
> "Most evil things aren't done by evil people, they're mostly done by clerks 
> and minor functionaries, minuted by committee, stamped and approved by the 
> relevant authorities."  
> 
> Well said, Guy, and important to realize.  
> 
> **
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "guyfawkes91"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > > Perhaps many have been reincarnated from the previous period...
> > > The Samsaras of the Nazi Era, are being worked out in the TMO.
> > > Maharishi attracted to him, the ones with the most need in this area, to 
> > > release the strong Samsaras, so that the consciousness of the earth could 
> > > be 'once and for all', rid of these demi-gods.
> > > 
> > > It is interesting to note, that on day of the announcement that Maharishi 
> > > had passed, was on the day that Barack Obama sailed on 'Super Tuesday'...
> > > The torch had been passed...
> > > R.G.
> > People re-incarnating from previous lives as Nazis? This kind of "analysis" 
> > is a complete waste of time, a very poor substitute for careful thinking. 
> > It presupposes that some people are inherently "evil", but it fact research 
> > has shown that in the right circumstances pretty much everyone can be 
> > persuaded to do bad things. 
> > 
> > It's true that some people do find it easier than others to take on the 
> > role of "camp komandant" and get a kick out of ordering people around even 
> > to the point of having them done away with. But it's very much the nature 
> > of the collective morality of the group that allows that to happen. Most 
> > evil things aren't done by evil people, they're mostly done by clerks and 
> > minor functionaries, minuted by committee, stamped and approved by the 
> > relevant authorities. 
> > 
> > I think a more correct way of seeing things is to notice that as soon as a 
> > group of people develop the notion that their cause is so right that 
> > everyday ethics and simple compassion can be abandoned then they start down 
> > the road to unpleasant extremism. It's something that has been played out 
> > so many times in the course of history there's almost a standard script 
> > with established roles in the play. 
> > 
> > North Korea, the Bush administration, medieval Catholicism, the Taleban, 
> > Zionism, Nazism, Russian Communism, or the milder and more contained 
> > present structure of the TMO. They all share the idea that their cause is 
> > so right that it's OK to trample on the heads of other people. The thing to 
> > watch out for is any sign of harshness in the way a group deals with its 
> > members or dissenters. That seems to be pretty much diagnostic of the 
> > disease, and it's a symptom the TMO certainly has. But the underlying cause 
> > is lack of humility. 
> > 
> > These things aren't due to "Demi-Gods" who need to clear up samsaras. It's 
> > just a plain consequence of how human nature works in groups. Recent 
> > history, and certainly most the 20th century has been about learning how to 
> > recognize and deal with this unpleasant facet of human society. It's 
> > interesting to note that countries that have recently escaped from that 
> > kind of thing are quicker to recognise it and react against it than 
> > countries who never really been through it. I.e. the reaction of the Berlin 
> > audience to Schiffgens or the Spanish courts taking on the legal brains 
> > behind the Bush policy of arbitrary imprisonment and torture. Or even more 
> > mildly, Goran (from ex-Yugoslavia) taking on John Konhaus.
> > 
> > Any group with a devoted following of people who believe their cause is 
> > right and who have a strong leader who will allow no disaggreement will end 
> > up in trouble. There's no need to use demi-gods to explain things.
> >
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread Marek Reavis
"Most evil things aren't done by evil people, they're mostly done by clerks and 
minor functionaries, minuted by committee, stamped and approved by the relevant 
authorities."  

Well said, Guy, and important to realize.  

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "guyfawkes91"  wrote:
>
> 
> > Perhaps many have been reincarnated from the previous period...
> > The Samsaras of the Nazi Era, are being worked out in the TMO.
> > Maharishi attracted to him, the ones with the most need in this area, to 
> > release the strong Samsaras, so that the consciousness of the earth could 
> > be 'once and for all', rid of these demi-gods.
> > 
> > It is interesting to note, that on day of the announcement that Maharishi 
> > had passed, was on the day that Barack Obama sailed on 'Super Tuesday'...
> > The torch had been passed...
> > R.G.
> People re-incarnating from previous lives as Nazis? This kind of "analysis" 
> is a complete waste of time, a very poor substitute for careful thinking. It 
> presupposes that some people are inherently "evil", but it fact research has 
> shown that in the right circumstances pretty much everyone can be persuaded 
> to do bad things. 
> 
> It's true that some people do find it easier than others to take on the role 
> of "camp komandant" and get a kick out of ordering people around even to the 
> point of having them done away with. But it's very much the nature of the 
> collective morality of the group that allows that to happen. Most evil things 
> aren't done by evil people, they're mostly done by clerks and minor 
> functionaries, minuted by committee, stamped and approved by the relevant 
> authorities. 
> 
> I think a more correct way of seeing things is to notice that as soon as a 
> group of people develop the notion that their cause is so right that everyday 
> ethics and simple compassion can be abandoned then they start down the road 
> to unpleasant extremism. It's something that has been played out so many 
> times in the course of history there's almost a standard script with 
> established roles in the play. 
> 
> North Korea, the Bush administration, medieval Catholicism, the Taleban, 
> Zionism, Nazism, Russian Communism, or the milder and more contained present 
> structure of the TMO. They all share the idea that their cause is so right 
> that it's OK to trample on the heads of other people. The thing to watch out 
> for is any sign of harshness in the way a group deals with its members or 
> dissenters. That seems to be pretty much diagnostic of the disease, and it's 
> a symptom the TMO certainly has. But the underlying cause is lack of 
> humility. 
> 
> These things aren't due to "Demi-Gods" who need to clear up samsaras. It's 
> just a plain consequence of how human nature works in groups. Recent history, 
> and certainly most the 20th century has been about learning how to recognize 
> and deal with this unpleasant facet of human society. It's interesting to 
> note that countries that have recently escaped from that kind of thing are 
> quicker to recognise it and react against it than countries who never really 
> been through it. I.e. the reaction of the Berlin audience to Schiffgens or 
> the Spanish courts taking on the legal brains behind the Bush policy of 
> arbitrary imprisonment and torture. Or even more mildly, Goran (from 
> ex-Yugoslavia) taking on John Konhaus.
> 
> Any group with a devoted following of people who believe their cause is right 
> and who have a strong leader who will allow no disaggreement will end up in 
> trouble. There's no need to use demi-gods to explain things.
>



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread Vaj


On Apr 14, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Robert wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:



On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Robert wrote:


Perhaps many have been reincarnated from the previous period...
The Samsaras of the Nazi Era, are being worked out in the TMO.
Maharishi attracted to him, the ones with the most need in this
area, to release the strong Samsaras, so that the consciousness of
the earth could be 'once and for all', rid of these demi-gods.


Seeded meditation does not remove samskaras, let alone "strong"
samskaras; it merely plants "nicer seeds" to (hopefully) drown out
the weeds.


What do you feel would:
Remove samskaras, especially 'strong' samskaras?



 Asamprajnata-samadhi is the smashan (the burning ground) of the  
samskaras in the yoga tradition.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "guyfawkes91"  wrote:
> > >
> > > If the global country was a real country with borders it 
> > > would be one of those countries that have border guards 
> > > to keep people in not to keep people out.
> > 
> > You mean like the barbed wire around the
> > "pundit compound" in Fairfield?  :-)
> 
> Why do they need barbed wire?
> Perhaps that is because of the fundies in town or some  
> other deranged person(s), who might be motivated in a 
> passionate way, to do harm to a peaceful visitor from India.
> Safety First!
> It's a shame Fairfield, Iowa, USA...still has this dilemma.

Thank you for providing another example of
how completely wrong I was yesterday to 
suggest that there might just be a "them 
vs. us" mentality associated with TM True 
Believerism.

:-)

Robert, this has been discussed here before.
It's pretty clear that the fences were built 
to keep the pundits in, not anyone else out.

Why some people within the TMO obviously 
felt that the fences were necessary is another 
question, one that has not been adequately 
answered.

Has it occurred to you that your rationali-
zation for the presence of the fences doesn't
place much faith in the power of the ME? Or
did I miss the part of Maharishi's talks on
invincibility in which he mentioned the use
of barbed wire?  :-)







[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Robert wrote:
> 
> > Perhaps many have been reincarnated from the previous period...
> > The Samsaras of the Nazi Era, are being worked out in the TMO.
> > Maharishi attracted to him, the ones with the most need in this  
> > area, to release the strong Samsaras, so that the consciousness of  
> > the earth could be 'once and for all', rid of these demi-gods.
> 
> Seeded meditation does not remove samskaras, let alone "strong"  
> samskaras; it merely plants "nicer seeds" to (hopefully) drown out  
> the weeds.
>
What do you feel would: 
Remove samskaras, especially 'strong' samskaras?
R.G.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "guyfawkes91"  wrote:
> >
> > > Imagine this lecturer giving us an analysis of the TMO.
> >  
> > It would be about as far left on his spectrum as you 
> > could get. An extreme oligarchy with Bevan as de-facto 
> > ruler and Nader as puppet figurehead, and the Rajas 
> > obediently following the command of a small clique 
> > centered around Bevan, though Hagelin & Nader do try 
> > to exert a moderating influence. 
> 
> Can't argue with this.
> 
> > The TMO is facism in a petri dish, it has most of the 
> > characteristics of facsism but neutered by the mellowing 
> > influence of TM. You can prod it, poke it and analyze it 
> > without being dragged out of your bed in the middle of 
> > the night to be shot. 
> 
> I would characterize it more as a royal
> society with overtones of fascism, very 
> similar to the society portrayed in the
> new American TV series "Kings."
> 
> The difference there is that the King
> really does have the power to have you
> dragged out of your bed in the middle of
> the night and shot, and does just that.
> And so far, there is no hereditary inher-
> itance of the Kingship.
> 
> > If the global country was a real country with borders it 
> > would be one of those countries that have border guards 
> > to keep people in not to keep people out.
> 
> You mean like the barbed wire around the
> "pundit compound" in Fairfield?  :-)
>
Why do they need barbed wire?
Perhaps that is because of the fundies in town or some  other deranged 
person(s), who might be motivated in a passionate way, to do harm to a peaceful 
visitor from India.
Safety First!
It's a shame Fairfield, Iowa, USA...still has this dilemma.
R.G.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread Vaj


On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Robert wrote:


Perhaps many have been reincarnated from the previous period...
The Samsaras of the Nazi Era, are being worked out in the TMO.
Maharishi attracted to him, the ones with the most need in this  
area, to release the strong Samsaras, so that the consciousness of  
the earth could be 'once and for all', rid of these demi-gods.


Seeded meditation does not remove samskaras, let alone "strong"  
samskaras; it merely plants "nicer seeds" to (hopefully) drown out  
the weeds.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "guyfawkes91"  wrote:
>
> > Imagine this lecturer giving us an analysis of the TMO.
>  
> It would be about as far left on his spectrum as you 
> could get. An extreme oligarchy with Bevan as de-facto 
> ruler and Nader as puppet figurehead, and the Rajas 
> obediently following the command of a small clique 
> centered around Bevan, though Hagelin & Nader do try 
> to exert a moderating influence. 

Can't argue with this.

> The TMO is facism in a petri dish, it has most of the 
> characteristics of facsism but neutered by the mellowing 
> influence of TM. You can prod it, poke it and analyze it 
> without being dragged out of your bed in the middle of 
> the night to be shot. 

I would characterize it more as a royal
society with overtones of fascism, very 
similar to the society portrayed in the
new American TV series "Kings."

The difference there is that the King
really does have the power to have you
dragged out of your bed in the middle of
the night and shot, and does just that.
And so far, there is no hereditary inher-
itance of the Kingship.

> If the global country was a real country with borders it 
> would be one of those countries that have border guards 
> to keep people in not to keep people out.

You mean like the barbed wire around the
"pundit compound" in Fairfield?  :-)





[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "guyfawkes91"  wrote:
>
> 
> > Perhaps many have been reincarnated from the previous period...
> > The Samsaras of the Nazi Era, are being worked out in the TMO.
> > Maharishi attracted to him, the ones with the most need in this area, to 
> > release the strong Samsaras, so that the consciousness of the earth could 
> > be 'once and for all', rid of these demi-gods.
> > 
> > It is interesting to note, that on day of the announcement that Maharishi 
> > had passed, was on the day that Barack Obama sailed on 'Super Tuesday'...
> > The torch had been passed...
> > R.G.
> People re-incarnating from previous lives as Nazis? This kind of "analysis" 
> is a complete waste of time, a very poor substitute for careful thinking. It 
> presupposes that some people are inherently "evil", but it fact research has 
> shown that in the right circumstances pretty much everyone can be persuaded 
> to do bad things. 
> 
> It's true that some people do find it easier than others to take on the role 
> of "camp komandant" and get a kick out of ordering people around even to the 
> point of having them done away with. But it's very much the nature of the 
> collective morality of the group that allows that to happen. Most evil things 
> aren't done by evil people, they're mostly done by clerks and minor 
> functionaries, minuted by committee, stamped and approved by the relevant 
> authorities. 
> 
> I think a more correct way of seeing things is to notice that as soon as a 
> group of people develop the notion that their cause is so right that everyday 
> ethics and simple compassion can be abandoned then they start down the road 
> to unpleasant extremism. It's something that has been played out so many 
> times in the course of history there's almost a standard script with 
> established roles in the play. 
> 
> North Korea, the Bush administration, medieval Catholicism, the Taleban, 
> Zionism, Nazism, Russian Communism, or the milder and more contained present 
> structure of the TMO. They all share the idea that their cause is so right 
> that it's OK to trample on the heads of other people. The thing to watch out 
> for is any sign of harshness in the way a group deals with its members or 
> dissenters. That seems to be pretty much diagnostic of the disease, and it's 
> a symptom the TMO certainly has. But the underlying cause is lack of 
> humility. 
> 
> These things aren't due to "Demi-Gods" who need to clear up samsaras. It's 
> just a plain consequence of how human nature works in groups. Recent history, 
> and certainly most the 20th century has been about learning how to recognize 
> and deal with this unpleasant facet of human society. It's interesting to 
> note that countries that have recently escaped from that kind of thing are 
> quicker to recognise it and react against it than countries who never really 
> been through it. I.e. the reaction of the Berlin audience to Schiffgens or 
> the Spanish courts taking on the legal brains behind the Bush policy of 
> arbitrary imprisonment and torture. Or even more mildly, Goran (from 
> ex-Yugoslavia) taking on John Konhaus.
> 
> Any group with a devoted following of people who believe their cause is right 
> and who have a strong leader who will allow no disaggreement will end up in 
> trouble. There's no need to use demi-gods to explain things.
>
I shouldn't have used the word 'demi-god'...
My point was, that if some people were traumatized in different ways, during 
the Nazi Era, then you could see how the experience might effect them in this 
life-time.
For example, some people feel victimized, others feel superior and 'entitled.
This is all I meant.
R.G.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread guyfawkes91

> Perhaps many have been reincarnated from the previous period...
> The Samsaras of the Nazi Era, are being worked out in the TMO.
> Maharishi attracted to him, the ones with the most need in this area, to 
> release the strong Samsaras, so that the consciousness of the earth could be 
> 'once and for all', rid of these demi-gods.
> 
> It is interesting to note, that on day of the announcement that Maharishi had 
> passed, was on the day that Barack Obama sailed on 'Super Tuesday'...
> The torch had been passed...
> R.G.
People re-incarnating from previous lives as Nazis? This kind of "analysis" is 
a complete waste of time, a very poor substitute for careful thinking. It 
presupposes that some people are inherently "evil", but it fact research has 
shown that in the right circumstances pretty much everyone can be persuaded to 
do bad things. 

It's true that some people do find it easier than others to take on the role of 
"camp komandant" and get a kick out of ordering people around even to the point 
of having them done away with. But it's very much the nature of the collective 
morality of the group that allows that to happen. Most evil things aren't done 
by evil people, they're mostly done by clerks and minor functionaries, minuted 
by committee, stamped and approved by the relevant authorities. 

I think a more correct way of seeing things is to notice that as soon as a 
group of people develop the notion that their cause is so right that everyday 
ethics and simple compassion can be abandoned then they start down the road to 
unpleasant extremism. It's something that has been played out so many times in 
the course of history there's almost a standard script with established roles 
in the play. 

North Korea, the Bush administration, medieval Catholicism, the Taleban, 
Zionism, Nazism, Russian Communism, or the milder and more contained present 
structure of the TMO. They all share the idea that their cause is so right that 
it's OK to trample on the heads of other people. The thing to watch out for is 
any sign of harshness in the way a group deals with its members or dissenters. 
That seems to be pretty much diagnostic of the disease, and it's a symptom the 
TMO certainly has. But the underlying cause is lack of humility. 

These things aren't due to "Demi-Gods" who need to clear up samsaras. It's just 
a plain consequence of how human nature works in groups. Recent history, and 
certainly most the 20th century has been about learning how to recognize and 
deal with this unpleasant facet of human society. It's interesting to note that 
countries that have recently escaped from that kind of thing are quicker to 
recognise it and react against it than countries who never really been through 
it. I.e. the reaction of the Berlin audience to Schiffgens or the Spanish 
courts taking on the legal brains behind the Bush policy of arbitrary 
imprisonment and torture. Or even more mildly, Goran (from ex-Yugoslavia) 
taking on John Konhaus.

Any group with a devoted following of people who believe their cause is right 
and who have a strong leader who will allow no disaggreement will end up in 
trouble. There's no need to use demi-gods to explain things.

 

 




[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "guyfawkes91"  wrote:
>
>  
> > Imagine this lecturer giving us an analysis of the TMO.
> > 
> It would be about as far left on his spectrum as you could get. An extreme 
> oligarchy with Bevan as de-facto ruler and Nader as puppet figurehead, and 
> the Rajas obediently following the command of a small clique centered around 
> Bevan, though Hagelin & Nader do try to exert a moderating influence. The TMO 
> is facism in a petri dish, it has most of the characteristics of facsism but 
> neutered by the mellowing influence of TM. You can prod it, poke it and 
> analyze it without being dragged out of your bed in the middle of the night 
> to be shot. 
> 
> If the global country was a real country with borders it would be one of 
> those countries that have border guards to keep people in not to keep people 
> out.
>
Perhaps many have been reincarnated from the previous period...
The Samsaras of the Nazi Era, are being worked out in the TMO.
Maharishi attracted to him, the ones with the most need in this area, to 
release the strong Samsaras, so that the consciousness of the earth could be 
'once and for all', rid of these demi-gods.

It is interesting to note, that on day of the announcement that Maharishi had 
passed, was on the day that Barack Obama sailed on 'Super Tuesday'...
The torch had been passed...
R.G.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread guyfawkes91
 
> Imagine this lecturer giving us an analysis of the TMO.
> 
It would be about as far left on his spectrum as you could get. An extreme 
oligarchy with Bevan as de-facto ruler and Nader as puppet figurehead, and the 
Rajas obediently following the command of a small clique centered around Bevan, 
though Hagelin & Nader do try to exert a moderating influence. The TMO is 
facism in a petri dish, it has most of the characteristics of facsism but 
neutered by the mellowing influence of TM. You can prod it, poke it and analyze 
it without being dragged out of your bed in the middle of the night to be shot. 

If the global country was a real country with borders it would be one of those 
countries that have border guards to keep people in not to keep people out.