[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi and Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anartaxius" wrote: > We do not know, except from his explanations, that Robin was > in unity. The way he has talked about it makes me think it > was something else. One can have a sudden 'expansion' of > experience and feel that one is somehow out there, that parts > of the environment, or the whole thing is somehow 'you', the > person, but that is not unity, but it is something that can > happen before the real deal arrives, which of course it might > not. You sound as though you think you're reporting what Robin has said about his experience of Unity, but you aren't. > I do not know what Judy's thoughts on unity are; she > is sort of sparing in that sense. Whatever that might mean. > She seems quite aware that Robin says he is not now in > unity. What a peculiar way to put it, "seems quite aware," as if I hadn't pointed it out over and over, including several times to Xeno. Goodness knows Robin has said it dozens of times. > I do not know if she has ever expressed how she feels about > that, that either unity is impermanent, or that Robin's > 'unity' was perhaps fake or some other non-unity experience > that he interpreted as unity. I'm quite sure it wasn't "fake," because Robin doesn't do faking. Other than that, I don't quite understand why Xeno would expect me to "feel about" Robin's experience in some particular way. I have no reason to doubt what he says about it. Certainly none of the purported reasons to call it into question that have been proposed here seem even remotely definitive. In most cases the folks proposing them (including Xeno) haven't even bothered to read what Robin has said about his experience. Why it should even be a matter of contention, I can't figure out. > Robin is just one person. One person failing to get to > unity Uh-oh, that sounds like you're stating that Robin didn't get to unity as if it were an established fact. It's not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi and Judy
Fuck - no one can handle the truth, they need pacifiers, fantasies, a set of nicely sugar coated set of beliefs. If anyone has any ideas how I can reinvent myself as a Guru and con people please shoot it my way. I don't think it will be easy for me now, fuck, fuck - what did I do - OK time to go to bed :-) On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > You don't understand irony, don't understand sarcasm, don't understand my > DSM metaphors - no wonder the fraudster Maharishi took advantage of you > naive, gullible Westerners. OMG - why am I even wasting my time working, > being honest, being truthful, being a mad Yogi - doesn't even buy a fucking > cup of coffee at Starbucks - I should have been a Guru, being a fraud and > conning naive, gullible people would have been so easy for me. Shit - it's > too late. > > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Ravi Chivukula > wrote: > >> No physical pain here Jason, I'm laughing, yet stop irritating me OK - >> please? I have nothing further to say on this. Good luck with your pain. >> >> On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:42 AM, jedi_spock wrote: >> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, since I suffered from a pain disorder for the past 13 >>> years, I can tell you that this 'painful' part of you is >>> your "lower self". >>> >>> You first got to consult a neurologist and get your nervous >>> system examined. As for the 'depression' chemical imbalance >>> in the brain is the usual cause. >>> >>> This is a job for a neurologist and not a psychiatrist. I >>> too was first refered to a psych and he had no clue before a >>> general physician refered me to a neurologist. >>> >>> >>> > > >>> --- Ravi Chivukula wrote: >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Huh! How can anyone be in a "painfully blissful" state? >>> > > >>> > >>> > Jason baby - yes I am in a perpetual painfully blissful, depressive >>> manic >>> > state. I have visited psychiatrists and they are surprised that I don't >>> > even cycle and am in these two opposing polarities at the same time, >>> they >>> > say I'm off all DSM charts and shoo me away. I'm sick and tired of this >>> > bullshit Jason, my intellect needs answers. I can't keep going to a >>> > different psychiatrist every week, Gurus are no help either since they >>> call >>> > me grandiose and delusional when I claim myself as Shiva or Krishna and >>> > refer me back to these psychiatrists. Please help me Jason baby. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Jason wrote: >>> > >>> > > Even Robin with all his oxymoronish contradictions dosen't >>> > > come close to this. >>> > > >>> > > He says that the whole thing was a lie and a snare, yet the >>> > > Unity was "real". In fact I remember him telling me last >>> > > year that he was "Just passing himself as 'enlightened'." >>> > > >>> > > Old Judy girl bats for him for one simple reason. She has >>> > > to "Prove" that 'Unity consciousness' exists and thereby MMY >>> > > was right and so on and so forth. It's bad news for the TM >>> > > mov't if Robbie boy was just in delusion. It "hurts" Judy's >>> > > cause and makes the entire TM mov't look loony. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > --- Ravi Chivukula wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > Awesome dear Share. I have nothing to say about anything else now >>> - I'm >>> > > in >>> > > > a totally nervous, above normal vulnerable, painfully blissful, >>> > > intoxicated >>> > > > state today. So I need to make sure I continue to focus at work. >>> > > > >>> > > > Love, >>> > > > Ravi >>> > > > >>> >>> >>> >> >> >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi and Judy
You don't understand irony, don't understand sarcasm, don't understand my DSM metaphors - no wonder the fraudster Maharishi took advantage of you naive, gullible Westerners. OMG - why am I even wasting my time working, being honest, being truthful, being a mad Yogi - doesn't even buy a fucking cup of coffee at Starbucks - I should have been a Guru, being a fraud and conning naive, gullible people would have been so easy for me. Shit - it's too late. On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > No physical pain here Jason, I'm laughing, yet stop irritating me OK - > please? I have nothing further to say on this. Good luck with your pain. > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:42 AM, jedi_spock wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> >> >> Well, since I suffered from a pain disorder for the past 13 >> years, I can tell you that this 'painful' part of you is >> your "lower self". >> >> You first got to consult a neurologist and get your nervous >> system examined. As for the 'depression' chemical imbalance >> in the brain is the usual cause. >> >> This is a job for a neurologist and not a psychiatrist. I >> too was first refered to a psych and he had no clue before a >> general physician refered me to a neurologist. >> >> >> > > >> --- Ravi Chivukula wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > Huh! How can anyone be in a "painfully blissful" state? >> > > >> > >> > Jason baby - yes I am in a perpetual painfully blissful, depressive >> manic >> > state. I have visited psychiatrists and they are surprised that I don't >> > even cycle and am in these two opposing polarities at the same time, >> they >> > say I'm off all DSM charts and shoo me away. I'm sick and tired of this >> > bullshit Jason, my intellect needs answers. I can't keep going to a >> > different psychiatrist every week, Gurus are no help either since they >> call >> > me grandiose and delusional when I claim myself as Shiva or Krishna and >> > refer me back to these psychiatrists. Please help me Jason baby. >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Jason wrote: >> > >> > > Even Robin with all his oxymoronish contradictions dosen't >> > > come close to this. >> > > >> > > He says that the whole thing was a lie and a snare, yet the >> > > Unity was "real". In fact I remember him telling me last >> > > year that he was "Just passing himself as 'enlightened'." >> > > >> > > Old Judy girl bats for him for one simple reason. She has >> > > to "Prove" that 'Unity consciousness' exists and thereby MMY >> > > was right and so on and so forth. It's bad news for the TM >> > > mov't if Robbie boy was just in delusion. It "hurts" Judy's >> > > cause and makes the entire TM mov't look loony. >> > > >> > > >> > > --- Ravi Chivukula wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Awesome dear Share. I have nothing to say about anything else now - >> I'm >> > > in >> > > > a totally nervous, above normal vulnerable, painfully blissful, >> > > intoxicated >> > > > state today. So I need to make sure I continue to focus at work. >> > > > >> > > > Love, >> > > > Ravi >> > > > >> >> >> > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi and Judy
No physical pain here Jason, I'm laughing, yet stop irritating me OK - please? I have nothing further to say on this. Good luck with your pain. On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:42 AM, jedi_spock wrote: > ** > > > > > Well, since I suffered from a pain disorder for the past 13 > years, I can tell you that this 'painful' part of you is > your "lower self". > > You first got to consult a neurologist and get your nervous > system examined. As for the 'depression' chemical imbalance > in the brain is the usual cause. > > This is a job for a neurologist and not a psychiatrist. I > too was first refered to a psych and he had no clue before a > general physician refered me to a neurologist. > > > > > > --- Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > > > > > Huh! How can anyone be in a "painfully blissful" state? > > > > > > > Jason baby - yes I am in a perpetual painfully blissful, depressive manic > > state. I have visited psychiatrists and they are surprised that I don't > > even cycle and am in these two opposing polarities at the same time, they > > say I'm off all DSM charts and shoo me away. I'm sick and tired of this > > bullshit Jason, my intellect needs answers. I can't keep going to a > > different psychiatrist every week, Gurus are no help either since they > call > > me grandiose and delusional when I claim myself as Shiva or Krishna and > > refer me back to these psychiatrists. Please help me Jason baby. > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Jason wrote: > > > > > Even Robin with all his oxymoronish contradictions dosen't > > > come close to this. > > > > > > He says that the whole thing was a lie and a snare, yet the > > > Unity was "real". In fact I remember him telling me last > > > year that he was "Just passing himself as 'enlightened'." > > > > > > Old Judy girl bats for him for one simple reason. She has > > > to "Prove" that 'Unity consciousness' exists and thereby MMY > > > was right and so on and so forth. It's bad news for the TM > > > mov't if Robbie boy was just in delusion. It "hurts" Judy's > > > cause and makes the entire TM mov't look loony. > > > > > > > > > --- Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > > > > Awesome dear Share. I have nothing to say about anything else now - > I'm > > > in > > > > a totally nervous, above normal vulnerable, painfully blissful, > > > intoxicated > > > > state today. So I need to make sure I continue to focus at work. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Ravi > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi and Judy
Well, since I suffered from a pain disorder for the past 13 years, I can tell you that this 'painful' part of you is your "lower self". You first got to consult a neurologist and get your nervous system examined. As for the 'depression' chemical imbalance in the brain is the usual cause. This is a job for a neurologist and not a psychiatrist. I too was first refered to a psych and he had no clue before a general physician refered me to a neurologist. > > --- Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > > Huh! How can anyone be in a "painfully blissful" state? > > > > Jason baby - yes I am in a perpetual painfully blissful, depressive manic > state. I have visited psychiatrists and they are surprised that I don't > even cycle and am in these two opposing polarities at the same time, they > say I'm off all DSM charts and shoo me away. I'm sick and tired of this > bullshit Jason, my intellect needs answers. I can't keep going to a > different psychiatrist every week, Gurus are no help either since they call > me grandiose and delusional when I claim myself as Shiva or Krishna and > refer me back to these psychiatrists. Please help me Jason baby. > > > On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Jason wrote: > > > Even Robin with all his oxymoronish contradictions dosen't > > come close to this. > > > > He says that the whole thing was a lie and a snare, yet the > > Unity was "real". In fact I remember him telling me last > > year that he was "Just passing himself as 'enlightened'." > > > > Old Judy girl bats for him for one simple reason. She has > > to "Prove" that 'Unity consciousness' exists and thereby MMY > > was right and so on and so forth. It's bad news for the TM > > mov't if Robbie boy was just in delusion. It "hurts" Judy's > > cause and makes the entire TM mov't look loony. > > > > > > --- Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > > Awesome dear Share. I have nothing to say about anything else now - I'm > > in > > > a totally nervous, above normal vulnerable, painfully blissful, > > intoxicated > > > state today. So I need to make sure I continue to focus at work. > > > > > > Love, > > > Ravi > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi and Judy
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:31 AM, jedi_spock wrote: > ** > > > > > Well, If the state of unity is not 'true' to "reality", then > one has to first define what "reality" actually is. > > Robin seems to imply that waking state and a personal god is > more real. > > Maybe, you can give us what your definition of what reality > is. > For me reality is synonymous with the existence, the objective reality, whatever the mind and senses can grasp in line with the Upanishads that the seed has become the tree, the creator has become the creation. I won't comment on Robin's views - but yes waking state is real, no personal God that I see that exists for me. I define God as a mysterious, organic, dynamic entity - same as existence, reality. Unity did create a powerful sense of oneness that was ultimately false, not that I wouldn't say I don't feel one with reality, existence but it is more subjective than anything objective. I continue to exist as myself, a distinct entity, a unique expression of reality, of existence, of God. But Unity does trigger a set of processes that leave one in an elevated state of consciousness but unless one reconciles this highly subjective state with the objective reality, heals,integrates, balances it into the waking state, through a process intellectual inquiry it's useless. > Take for instance mathematics, numbers that extend on the > negative side is as real as numbers on the positive side. > Longitudes on the globe are as real as latitudes. Positrons > are as real as electrons and so on and so forth. > > Maybe both are real in some sense? > > > > --- Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > > I was contemplating on whether to reply to Jason on this and Xeno's > idiotic > > response forces me to respond to this. Xeno - you just need to know > when to > > keep your big mouth shut man, that Unity is not mystical and it's just > some > > experience is just your fantasy. You live in an world of words, totally > > unreal, in a fantasy that every time you open your fucking mouth you > don't > > fail to surprise me, you come across as delusional as Barry though > Barry is > > paranoid and delusional in a clinical sense. > > > > Jason - what Robin is saying is simple - that the state of Unity is not > > true to reality, it is ultimately an unreal state not that it's not a > valid > > state and when I first heard him talk about that and mystical deception > I > > was impressed because his descriptions totally made sense to me based > on my > > experiences of Unity. > > > > Unlike what the idiot Xeno says Unity is a most blissful state, no > > experience sex, drugs, alcohol, love come anywhere close it, the state > on > > oneness you feel is the most awesomest, it's like being high on 108 > Vodkas > > or perhaps sleeping with 72 virgins - so in that sense I totally > understand > > the religion's description of heaven, they are pretty much describing, > > metaphorically the state of Unity. > > > > However the incredible state of oneness the Unity creates is ultimately > a > > false state, a temporary state and in my case I fell back to the waking > > state. But once you hit Unity for all purposes one can be considered > > awakened, at least in my case and however incredible Unity is, the main > > thing comes afterwards - healing, integrating, balancing the mystical > > energies that now have left you in an elevated consciousness into the > > normal waking state. > > > > So I totally understand when Robin talks about Unity and mystical > > deception, this confirms for me that he was in Unity, otherwise there's > no > > way he could describe it so beautifully. He's the only one who has made > any > > sense to me and my experiences, and this puts him, in my eyes, on a > higher > > pedestal that any scripture or any Guru. He clearly is speaking from > > personal experience Of course there's lot a what he has said that I > don't > > necessarily agree with and he's aware of my disagreements but his core > > arguments of mystical deception, Unity being incompatible with reality > is > > totally spot on. > > > > Ravi. > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi and Judy
Well, If the state of unity is not 'true' to "reality", then one has to first define what "reality" actually is. Robin seems to imply that waking state and a personal god is more real. Maybe, you can give us what your definition of what reality is. Take for instance mathematics, numbers that extend on the negative side is as real as numbers on the positive side. Longitudes on the globe are as real as latitudes. Positrons are as real as electrons and so on and so forth. Maybe both are real in some sense? --- Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > I was contemplating on whether to reply to Jason on this and Xeno's idiotic > response forces me to respond to this. Xeno - you just need to know when to > keep your big mouth shut man, that Unity is not mystical and it's just some > experience is just your fantasy. You live in an world of words, totally > unreal, in a fantasy that every time you open your fucking mouth you don't > fail to surprise me, you come across as delusional as Barry though Barry is > paranoid and delusional in a clinical sense. > > Jason - what Robin is saying is simple - that the state of Unity is not > true to reality, it is ultimately an unreal state not that it's not a valid > state and when I first heard him talk about that and mystical deception I > was impressed because his descriptions totally made sense to me based on my > experiences of Unity. > > Unlike what the idiot Xeno says Unity is a most blissful state, no > experience sex, drugs, alcohol, love come anywhere close it, the state on > oneness you feel is the most awesomest, it's like being high on 108 Vodkas > or perhaps sleeping with 72 virgins - so in that sense I totally understand > the religion's description of heaven, they are pretty much describing, > metaphorically the state of Unity. > > However the incredible state of oneness the Unity creates is ultimately a > false state, a temporary state and in my case I fell back to the waking > state. But once you hit Unity for all purposes one can be considered > awakened, at least in my case and however incredible Unity is, the main > thing comes afterwards - healing, integrating, balancing the mystical > energies that now have left you in an elevated consciousness into the > normal waking state. > > So I totally understand when Robin talks about Unity and mystical > deception, this confirms for me that he was in Unity, otherwise there's no > way he could describe it so beautifully. He's the only one who has made any > sense to me and my experiences, and this puts him, in my eyes, on a higher > pedestal that any scripture or any Guru. He clearly is speaking from > personal experience Of course there's lot a what he has said that I don't > necessarily agree with and he's aware of my disagreements but his core > arguments of mystical deception, Unity being incompatible with reality is > totally spot on. > > Ravi. > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi and Judy
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 8:15 PM, anartaxius wrote: > ** > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason" wrote: > > > Old Judy girl bats for him for one simple reason. She has > > to "Prove" that 'Unity consciousness' exists and thereby MMY > > was right and so on and so forth. It's bad news for the TM > > mov't if Robbie boy was just in delusion. It "hurts" Judy's > > cause and makes the entire TM mov't look loony. > I was contemplating on whether to reply to Jason on this and Xeno's idiotic response forces me to respond to this. Xeno - you just need to know when to keep your big mouth shut man, that Unity is not mystical and it's just some experience is just your fantasy. You live in an world of words, totally unreal, in a fantasy that every time you open your fucking mouth you don't fail to surprise me, you come across as delusional as Barry though Barry is paranoid and delusional in a clinical sense. Jason - what Robin is saying is simple - that the state of Unity is not true to reality, it is ultimately an unreal state not that it's not a valid state and when I first heard him talk about that and mystical deception I was impressed because his descriptions totally made sense to me based on my experiences of Unity. Unlike what the idiot Xeno says Unity is a most blissful state, no experience sex, drugs, alcohol, love come anywhere close it, the state on oneness you feel is the most awesomest, it's like being high on 108 Vodkas or perhaps sleeping with 72 virgins - so in that sense I totally understand the religion's description of heaven, they are pretty much describing, metaphorically the state of Unity. However the incredible state of oneness the Unity creates is ultimately a false state, a temporary state and in my case I fell back to the waking state. But once you hit Unity for all purposes one can be considered awakened, at least in my case and however incredible Unity is, the main thing comes afterwards - healing, integrating, balancing the mystical energies that now have left you in an elevated consciousness into the normal waking state. So I totally understand when Robin talks about Unity and mystical deception, this confirms for me that he was in Unity, otherwise there's no way he could describe it so beautifully. He's the only one who has made any sense to me and my experiences, and this puts him, in my eyes, on a higher pedestal that any scripture or any Guru. He clearly is speaking from personal experience Of course there's lot a what he has said that I don't necessarily agree with and he's aware of my disagreements but his core arguments of mystical deception, Unity being incompatible with reality is totally spot on. Ravi. > > Jason > > Other traditions also speak of unity. There is no way to prove it > unconditionally, it's an experience; no one outside your head has access to > your experience. This is why consciousness is such a thorny problem for > science. TM mov't may look looney. It looks looney to me. But meditation, > as a general practice is one of the setups for unity. It does not cause > unity. When enough pieces of one's delusion falls away, unity will sneak in > unexpected. > > Unity is not mystical. It is not an experience that 'one is in unity with > something else', it's unitary, there is nothing else, there is just 'it', > to give it the most neutral sounding sense. It does not 'look' any > different than before it arrived. In that way, it is mysterious and > unexplainable because it was always there all the time even when you were > searching for it. > > We do not know, except from his explanations, that Robin was in unity. The > way he has talked about it makes me think it was something else. One can > have a sudden 'expansion' of experience and feel that one is somehow out > there, that parts of the environment, or the whole thing is somehow 'you', > the person, but that is not unity, but it is something that can happen > before the real deal arrives, which of course it might not. > > I do not know what Judy's thoughts on unity are; she is sort of sparing in > that sense. She seems quite aware that Robin says he is not now in unity. I > do not know if she has ever expressed how she feels about that, that either > unity is impermanent, or that Robin's 'unity' was perhaps fake or some > other non-unity experience that he interpreted as unity. > > Because unity is the exact equivalent of the unenlightened state - that is > an aspect of the realisation - it is a toss of the dice as to whether it > really is more real than what came before it. An ultimate paradox. > Maharishi said talking about this one descends into absurdities. Ultimately > one just has to hang out with it without trying to explain it. > > Robin is just one person. One person failing to get to unity does not > negate the possibility others have succeeded. Maharishi also said that > unity comes about 'in time'. It is not a matter of technique by then. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi and Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason" wrote: > Old Judy girl bats for him for one simple reason. She has > to "Prove" that 'Unity consciousness' exists and thereby MMY > was right and so on and so forth. It's bad news for the TM > mov't if Robbie boy was just in delusion. It "hurts" Judy's > cause and makes the entire TM mov't look loony. Jason Other traditions also speak of unity. There is no way to prove it unconditionally, it's an experience; no one outside your head has access to your experience. This is why consciousness is such a thorny problem for science. TM mov't may look looney. It looks looney to me. But meditation, as a general practice is one of the setups for unity. It does not cause unity. When enough pieces of one's delusion falls away, unity will sneak in unexpected. Unity is not mystical. It is not an experience that 'one is in unity with something else', it's unitary, there is nothing else, there is just 'it', to give it the most neutral sounding sense. It does not 'look' any different than before it arrived. In that way, it is mysterious and unexplainable because it was always there all the time even when you were searching for it. We do not know, except from his explanations, that Robin was in unity. The way he has talked about it makes me think it was something else. One can have a sudden 'expansion' of experience and feel that one is somehow out there, that parts of the environment, or the whole thing is somehow 'you', the person, but that is not unity, but it is something that can happen before the real deal arrives, which of course it might not. I do not know what Judy's thoughts on unity are; she is sort of sparing in that sense. She seems quite aware that Robin says he is not now in unity. I do not know if she has ever expressed how she feels about that, that either unity is impermanent, or that Robin's 'unity' was perhaps fake or some other non-unity experience that he interpreted as unity. Because unity is the exact equivalent of the unenlightened state - that is an aspect of the realisation - it is a toss of the dice as to whether it really is more real than what came before it. An ultimate paradox. Maharishi said talking about this one descends into absurdities. Ultimately one just has to hang out with it without trying to explain it. Robin is just one person. One person failing to get to unity does not negate the possibility others have succeeded. Maharishi also said that unity comes about 'in time'. It is not a matter of technique by then.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi and Judy
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Jason wrote: > ** > > > > Huh! How can anyone be in a "painfully blissful" state? > Jason baby - yes I am in a perpetual painfully blissful, depressive manic state. I have visited psychiatrists and they are surprised that I don't even cycle and am in these two opposing polarities at the same time, they say I'm off all DSM charts and shoo me away. I'm sick and tired of this bullshit Jason, my intellect needs answers. I can't keep going to a different psychiatrist every week, Gurus are no help either since they call me grandiose and delusional when I claim myself as Shiva or Krishna and refer me back to these psychiatrists. Please help me Jason baby. > Even Robin with all his oxymoronish contradictions dosen't > come close to this. > > He says that the whole thing was a lie and a snare, yet the > Unity was "real". In fact I remember him telling me last > year that he was "Just passing himself as 'enlightened'." > > Old Judy girl bats for him for one simple reason. She has > to "Prove" that 'Unity consciousness' exists and thereby MMY > was right and so on and so forth. It's bad news for the TM > mov't if Robbie boy was just in delusion. It "hurts" Judy's > cause and makes the entire TM mov't look loony. > > > --- Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > Awesome dear Share. I have nothing to say about anything else now - I'm > in > > a totally nervous, above normal vulnerable, painfully blissful, > intoxicated > > state today. So I need to make sure I continue to focus at work. > > > > Love, > > Ravi > > > > On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > Hi Ravi, yes you are a cool and totally cool blast (-: > > > > > > But Ravi, about Marek: maybe he has his moronic moments as we all do. > > > Maybe he has his inauthentic moments as we all do. But I don't think he > > > could do the job he does and be moronic by nature. Nor do I think he > could > > > surf if he was inauthentic. Nature's the best reality check. > > > > > > As for me, I realize I have my non grown up moments. But I also do my > > > spiritual practice, going to the Dome twice a day every day. I do this > no > > > matter the weather, no matter my mood. That's grown up in my book. I > face > > > my fears including fear of dying. That's grown up in my book. I admit I > > > make mistakes. Also grown up in my book. I forgive others their > > > mistakes. Also grown up in my book. etc. etc. > > > Share > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi and Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason" wrote: > > Huh! How can anyone be in a "painfully blissful" state? > Even Robin with all his oxymoronish contradictions dosen't > come close to this. > > He says that the whole thing was a lie and a snare, yet the > Unity was "real". In fact I remember him telling me last > year that he was "Just passing himself as 'enlightened'." Your memory is playing you false, I'm afraid. Robin never said that to you. > Old Judy girl bats for him for one simple reason. She has > to "Prove" that 'Unity consciousness' exists and thereby MMY > was right and so on and so forth. It's bad news for the TM > mov't if Robbie boy was just in delusion. It "hurts" Judy's > cause and makes the entire TM mov't look loony. Er, no, you've got that very wrong too. I have nothing to "prove" one way or the other regarding Unity Consciousness or what Robin has told us of his experience of it (i.e., that Unity Consciousness itself is a delusion). > --- Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > Awesome dear Share. I have nothing to say about anything else now - > I'm in > > a totally nervous, above normal vulnerable, painfully blissful, > intoxicated > > state today. So I need to make sure I continue to focus at work. > > > > Love, > > Ravi > > > > On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: > > > > > > ** > > > > > > Hi Ravi, yes you are a cool and totally cool blast (-: > > > > > > But Ravi, about Marek: maybe he has his moronic moments as we all > do. > > > Maybe he has his inauthentic moments as we all do. But I don't think > he > > > could do the job he does and be moronic by nature. Nor do I think he > could > > > surf if he was inauthentic. Nature's the best reality check. > > > > > > As for me, I realize I have my non grown up moments. But I also do > my > > > spiritual practice, going to the Dome twice a day every day. I do > this no > > > matter the weather, no matter my mood. That's grown up in my book. I > face > > > my fears including fear of dying. That's grown up in my book. I > admit I > > > make mistakes. Also grown up in my book. I forgive others their > > > mistakes. Also grown up in my book. etc. etc. > > > Share > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi and Judy
Huh! How can anyone be in a "painfully blissful" state? Even Robin with all his oxymoronish contradictions dosen't come close to this. He says that the whole thing was a lie and a snare, yet the Unity was "real". In fact I remember him telling me last year that he was "Just passing himself as 'enlightened'." Old Judy girl bats for him for one simple reason. She has to "Prove" that 'Unity consciousness' exists and thereby MMY was right and so on and so forth. It's bad news for the TM mov't if Robbie boy was just in delusion. It "hurts" Judy's cause and makes the entire TM mov't look loony. --- Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > Awesome dear Share. I have nothing to say about anything else now - I'm in > a totally nervous, above normal vulnerable, painfully blissful, intoxicated > state today. So I need to make sure I continue to focus at work. > > Love, > Ravi > > On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: > > > > ** > > > > Hi Ravi, yes you are a cool and totally cool blast (-: > > > > But Ravi, about Marek: maybe he has his moronic moments as we all do. > > Maybe he has his inauthentic moments as we all do. But I don't think he > > could do the job he does and be moronic by nature. Nor do I think he could > > surf if he was inauthentic. Nature's the best reality check. > > > > As for me, I realize I have my non grown up moments. But I also do my > > spiritual practice, going to the Dome twice a day every day. I do this no > > matter the weather, no matter my mood. That's grown up in my book. I face > > my fears including fear of dying. That's grown up in my book. I admit I > > make mistakes. Also grown up in my book. I forgive others their > > mistakes. Also grown up in my book. etc. etc. > > Share > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi and Judy
Awesome dear Share. I have nothing to say about anything else now - I'm in a totally nervous, above normal vulnerable, painfully blissful, intoxicated state today. So I need to make sure I continue to focus at work. Love, Ravi On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Share Long wrote: > ** > > > Hi Ravi, yes you are a cool and totally cool blast (-: > > But Ravi, about Marek: maybe he has his moronic moments as we all do. > Maybe he has his inauthentic moments as we all do. But I don't think he > could do the job he does and be moronic by nature. Nor do I think he could > surf if he was inauthentic. Nature's the best reality check. > > As for me, I realize I have my non grown up moments. But I also do my > spiritual practice, going to the Dome twice a day every day. I do this no > matter the weather, no matter my mood. That's grown up in my book. I face > my fears including fear of dying. That's grown up in my book. I admit I > make mistakes. Also grown up in my book. I forgive others their > mistakes. Also grown up in my book. etc. etc. > Share > > -- > *From:* Ravi Chivukula > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 3, 2012 11:09 PM > *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi > > > Awesome dear Share, I'm glad you had a good time !!! I'm the blast? Sorry > I didn't get that - unless you are saying I am cool, if so I am totally > cool with that :-) > > Love, > Ravi > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Share Long wrote: > > ** > > dear Ravi, just back from John Newton shindig. Good crowd. Powerful > healings. Guess what? You ARE the blast! love, share > > > > -- > *From:* Ravi Chivukula > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 3, 2012 4:49 PM > *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi > > > Wonderful dear Share - I wish all the good luck in this entire existence > to you !!! > > Though I personally only believe in myself, have always only believed in > myself and I think all healers, Gurus, religions, gods are false, they are > all frauds. However it's really good for entertainment, just as we watch > movies, art, dance, drama - stimulate the heart, feel those emotions - sure > I only like singing to my beloved but occasionally I sing Bhajans to > fantasy divine Mother, fantasy Krishna and I really have a blast !!! > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Share Long wrote: > > ** > > dear Ravi, it means so much to me that you love me in spite of my > mistakes and flaws. Maybe there will be less of those after I've worked > with healer John Newton for the next 4 days. Fingers crossed! love, Share > > -- > *From:* Ravi Chivukula > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 2, 2012 2:19 PM > *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ann Emily Ravi > > > > > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Ravi Chivukula > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Share Long wrote: > > ** > > > > TO RAVI: > Dear Ravi, as far as I can tell, you have never been the target of Robin's > fixing mode. So I don't think you really know what it feels like to have > him attribute thoughts and feelings to you that you never even had. And to > have him do that over and over. Perhaps then you too would be forceful > with him. I don't agree with you that I was brutal. > > > > Oh Dear Share - No one has any power over me, my feelings or thoughts - > even such a notion is totally alien to me. Here's where we have to part - > Robin is one of the most honest, truthful, sincere persons I have ever come > across my life, he's one of the very few to earn my respect and I totally > disagree and your choice of the words "psychological rape" is just brutal > and violent, doesn't represent the reality of who the person Robin is. But > this will not stop me from loving you. > > Love, > Ravi. > > > > Yet I want to make sure you know I'm not denying your feelings, I wouldn't > dare deny it and I'm sorry to hear you feel so. > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi and Judy
Hi Ravi, yes you are a cool and totally cool blast (-: But Ravi, about Marek: maybe he has his moronic moments as we all do. Maybe he has his inauthentic moments as we all do. But I don't think he could do the job he does and be moronic by nature. Nor do I think he could surf if he was inauthentic. Nature's the best reality check. As for me, I realize I have my non grown up moments. But I also do my spiritual practice, going to the Dome twice a day every day. I do this no matter the weather, no matter my mood. That's grown up in my book. I face my fears including fear of dying. That's grown up in my book. I admit I make mistakes. Also grown up in my book. I forgive others their mistakes. Also grown up in my book. etc. etc. Share From: Ravi Chivukula To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi Awesome dear Share, I'm glad you had a good time !!! I'm the blast? Sorry I didn't get that - unless you are saying I am cool, if so I am totally cool with that :-) Love, Ravi On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Share Long wrote: > >dear Ravi, just back from John Newton shindig. Good crowd. Powerful >healings. Guess what? You ARE the blast! love, share > > > > > > > > > > From: Ravi Chivukula >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 4:49 PM >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi > > > > >Wonderful dear Share - I wish all the good luck in this entire existence to >you !!! > > >Though I personally only believe in myself, have always only believed in >myself and I think all healers, Gurus, religions, gods are false, they are all >frauds. However it's really good for entertainment, just as we watch movies, >art, dance, drama - stimulate the heart, feel those emotions - sure I only >like singing to my beloved but occasionally I sing Bhajans to fantasy divine >Mother, fantasy Krishna and I really have a blast !!! > > > >On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Share Long wrote: > > >> >>dear Ravi, it means so much to me that you love me in spite of my mistakes >>and flaws. Maybe there will be less of those after I've worked with healer >>John Newton for the next 4 days. Fingers crossed! love, Share >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Ravi Chivukula >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 2:19 PM >>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ann Emily Ravi >> >> >> >> >> >> >>On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Ravi Chivukula >>wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>>On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Share Long wrote: >>> >>> TO RAVI: Dear Ravi, as far as I can tell, you have never been the target of Robin's fixing mode. So I don't think you really know what it feels like to have him attribute thoughts and feelings to you that you never even had. And to have him do that over and over. Perhaps then you too would be forceful with him. I don't agree with you that I was brutal. >>> >>> >>>Oh Dear Share - No one has any power over me, my feelings or thoughts - even >>>such a notion is totally alien to me. Here's where we have to part - Robin >>>is one of the most honest, truthful, sincere persons I have ever come across >>>my life, he's one of the very few to earn my respect and I totally disagree >>>and your choice of the words "psychological rape" is just brutal and >>>violent, doesn't represent the reality of who the person Robin is. But this >>>will not stop me from loving you. >>> >>> >>>Love, >>>Ravi. >>> >>> >> >> >> >>Yet I want to make sure you know I'm not denying your feelings, I wouldn't >>dare deny it and I'm sorry to hear you feel so. >> >> > > >
