date:20060704





Thank you! I ordered some from EntirelyPets.com for a very good price 
and I can't believe how fast they got it here. It does seem to be 
helping.


In a message dated 7/3/2006 10:08:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've 
  been away from the 'puter all weekend, so I don't know if anybody else 
  suggested this, but Feliway diffusers and spray (can) help calm (some) kitties 
  :) I use both (altho I'm a bit behind on the diffusers - $$$ ya know) 
  but I have an IC (interstitial cystitis) kitty who is very sensitive to . 
  basically everything, he's jumpy and somewhat skittish - HATES the 4th - and 
  it helps - it also helps make his brother a bit less of a bully, mostly. 
  :)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  

A bit of unpleasantness here. :-( 

I'm in the process of having all the babies tested and re-vaccinated 
since Mama Kittyis FeVL+. Five down - Three to go. So far 
everyone elsehas testednegative.

Well...the babiesare very sensitive to the appearance of the Pet 
Taxi in a room. Four of them were totally feral initially - and some 
of them took more than three months before I could even pet them. 
Eventually, they are the ones who made the decision that they wanted to live 
inside with me...and most of the time they are completely precious fuzzballs 
(as long as there are no other people).

I thought getting the Pet Taxi out of the closet this morning before I 
went to workwould give Othello time enough to settle down. 


Wrong. 

I guess my firstmistake was actually telling him in a sweet voice 
this morningthat we would go laterbut it would be ok. 
These guys know exactly what you are saying. He hid the minute 
I got it out this morning - and was hiding also when I came home this 
afternoon. 

Now Iam true to my word to the kitties that I willnever 
call them if it isn't something wonderful (and that is why I can herd eight 
cats at one time -- they come running). But - since this wasn't going 
to be much fun, I had to hunt him down. I finally found him and caught 
him - but he was so upset that he turned into a ball of teeth and claws out 
of sheer terror. 

I know he didn't mean to hurt me...I'm not too bloody but got it on the 
side of my head and arms LOL. I'm not worried about me at bit...you 
should see me when I work with my roses-- I'm just so worried about 
how terrified he is. 

I finally called the vet and told them what was going on. The 
male vet tech assured me that if I couldn't get him calmed down then they 
really would prefer that I not bring him in todayLOL 

I gave the all clear after that ("All Done!")...but he's still 
hiding. I'm home Monday and they told me that if I can coax him to 
just bring him in any time. I just need to work more with himand 
it sounds like I need a few lessons too - even if I have been taking care of 
kitties over 30 years.

You guys are going to think I'm nutty (that's ok :0)...but ever since I 
read this article (Taming 
Wild Cats With Tibetan Buddhist Chants ), I bought a CD of Tibetan 
Buddist Chants and it really does help to calm down the ferals. Hey, 
why not? - it's been known to tame tigers :0) I'm going to put some 
rescue remedy in the water too. Any othersuggestions? 
Insight into cat psychology? Bandaids? I know with all the 
fireworks over the weekend we're probably all going to have some very jumpy 
cats.
Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El 
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  impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." 
  - Anonymous 
  
  
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Re: ot: Wherefore art thou, Othello?





Do try the Australian Bush Flower Essence "Emergency" too. I used it
on Zelda, my JR x because she's deathly afraid of the darn fireworks.
I couldn't believe it when she fell asleep on the couch during the
worst of it tonight. She even went outside under her own power to go
potty later, unheard of for her during fireworks season. I wish I had
known that it was going to be this effective sooner, I'd have ordered
as much as I could afford to donate to the local shelter.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Thank
you! I ordered some from EntirelyPets.com for a very good price and I
can't believe how fast they got it here. It does seem to be helping.
  
  
  In
a message dated 7/3/2006 10:08:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I've been away from the 'puter all weekend, so I don't know
if anybody else suggested this, but Feliway diffusers and spray (can)
help calm (some) kitties :) I use both (altho I'm a bit behind on the
diffusers - $$$ ya know) but I have an IC (interstitial cystitis) kitty
who is very sensitive to . basically everything, he's jumpy and
somewhat skittish - HATES the 4th - and it helps - it also helps make
his brother a bit less of a bully, mostly. :)

Re: Kerry - -Something for Bandy's ringworm maybe???

Thanks Belinda, I will check that out..I think I saw that in one of my natural books..I am putting goldenseal on it at times, too..I have ordered the gel from the site that you sent last week so that should be here in a day or so...I also called his internal med specialist and asked about giving him the fulvicin orally which I didn't want to do cause it is so toxic...It may be the only way at this point...She said to watch his stool, appetite and if he vomits...then the dose would need to be lowered or stopped...I really hate to make him sick like that as that is one thing that hasn't bothered him..I think he has an iron stomach with all the stuff he has had in the last year..It is supposed to be given for 40 days...I won't do that..I think I am going to start the IR next Monday..  He is suppose to go to the eye doctor in Dallas on Thurs, but I may not go since he isn't feeling well and it is an all day ordeal..at least 7 hrs on the road by the time we get
 there and back..Way too much stress on him...  Anyway, thank you again and I will look into to this..  Kerry and Bandy 
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Re: For Kerry and Bandy

Michelle,   I will look at that to see if it might help him...I do think it could be arthritis of some kind...cause it is in the other leg today...front only..he seems to be giving to it some and not getting out of his box hardly at all..He is eating though so that is a good thing, but not drinking enough...so I hope he doesn't get dehydrated again...I gave him a pain pill little while ago...I am considering 1/4 baby aspirin, too if he isn't some what relieved by the pain pill...I think he needs some anti-inflammatory meds...I do have some kitty MSM...with some other things in it...you give 1 daily in food...  I think I may have to take him back to Dallas to his internal med spec cause I think they are the only ones that can really find out what is going on here...My vet did mention a couple of weeks ago multiple myeloma...but the xrays didn't show anything...I don't think that is it either, or I sure hope not.  I don't know if he
 was checked for calici or not..I will mention it as I think I am going to take him to the vet on Wed..since he has an eye appt. in Dallas on Thurs...and that is a 7 hr round trip...I don't want to take him unless he feels better...so I would feel better if she sees him here before we try to make that trip..and maybe he could get a dex injection which always seems to make him feel better...Seems that when that wears off, he gets down again even though this time, he went over 2 wks without a fever...  It is driving me crazy though...he has been feeling so good and walking around since he got over this last episode which was a bad one...now I really just don't know what to think..  Anyway, thanks for the info and I will check it all out asap..  Hope Lucy is doing better,  Kerry and Bandy 
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Re: Worried about Lucy

Michelle,  The only thing that I noticed about Inky was that it kept him from straining so much...He always would strain like he was constipated then it would shoot out all loose...so I don't know if the pred is what helped the loose stool or the oat bran..I think the most that I gave him was 10mg daily for several weeks then worked our way down..He was on the thyroid meds and I stopped them all together as he does have hyperT, but I think we were giving him too much cause he was losing all his hair in big clumps...which happens with hypoT. He had the ringworm so I had to stop the pred for awhile..but now I give him 2.5 or 1.25 every few days...I alternate it like you guys do..I also think the med metro ( something or other) stopped his loose stool...You mentioned that you were giving Lucy this and i really think that is what helped Inky the most..or maybe the combination of them...I don't remember if I told you..Inky is Felv negative..He is just very
 old...He will be 20 in August...His mother was my first and only lymphoma kitty...sorta like what you mentioned about the biopsy of the intestines...that is what she had...They opened her up and closed her right back up cause there wasn't anything they could do...So we did chemo for 5 months..and she lived 4 more months after we stopped the chemo..she did great until the last month..I guess you know how that is...Forgot to mention that she had a feeding tube in place the rest of her life, too...the tube coming straight out her side...made it easy to give meds and get food into her when she wouldn't eat...They told me that they usually only leave these for about 3 months..but she handled it so well they left it...she even got to where she would clean it..They put it in when they did the surgery.  I am now mixing chicken broth in several of Inky's meals as he likes to drink it so I buy the low sodium kind..  I hope Lucy is doing better
 today..  Kerry and Bandy 
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Re: Worried about Lucy





No, I had her palpated at the local vet on Friday and he couldn't feel 
anything.
Thanks,
Michelle

In a message dated 7/4/2006 1:19:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle,if there is/are any palpable lump type things in her 
  abdomen, a fine needle aspirate could be done as opposed to a full surgical 
  biopsy. My Ninja developed intestinal lymphoma during her last 
  month or two and while the mass was definitely palpable (I felt it petting her 
  while she was on her side) it was typical of int. lymph. and wasn't a discrete 
  mass but was riddled throughout the tissue - there were enough cells removed 
  with the aspirate for the (experienced) lab tech to say lymphoma. 
  Financially, surgery wasn't an option no matter what and she was already on 
  pred (5mg bid) and phenobarb to control her seizures (poss dx meningioma) so 
  we treated for quality of life. She was my first cat as an adult (i.e. 
  not a family pet) and we had grown very close her last summer when I had to 
  nurse her so carefully.

Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health

2006-07-04 Thread TatorBunz



Thanks! 
I have forwarded this to many I know that do use it. There is a lot of truth in it and it does make sense.

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Lucy update




Well, I found two very small, very hard bowels in the litter box just now. 
I can't be sure it's Lucy and not Patches, but I think it probably was. it would 
make sense of why she has had very small amounts of liquid stool very far apart, 
as that can happen with constipation. She has not gotten much fiber in the last 
few days as she has been eating mainly broiled turkey. If it was her, I will 
feel much better, as it will mean the diarrhea has stopped. Since the weight 
loss, appetite loss, and nausea also seem to have abated, if the diarrhea has 
abated as well I will be relieved. It still would not be certain she does not 
have lymphoma, as she is on a lot of pred and that can control lymphoma for a 
while as well, but I think probably it would indicate more a flare-up of her 
IBD. Maybe from the pine litter, I don't know. Anyway, I will be crossing my 
fingers. If anyone has the energy to say a little prayer for her, I would 
appreciate it. 
Thanks,
Michelle

Re: ot: Wherefore art thou, Othello?





I really appreciate the tip - I'll look for it. 
I'm a believer in the Bach Flower Essences (Rescue Remedy) - and I wouldn't have 
believed it if I hadn't tried it myself. It's like liquid valium for 
Phelix. Trouble with the flower remedies though is that it's hard to get 
them into a kitty who has totally gone insane. I try to put it in the 
water and I've heard you can apply behind the ears. The Feliway does seems 
to be making a difference - and I'm very glad it came before the neighborhood 
turns into a 4th of July artillery zone.


In a message dated 7/4/2006 12:08:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do try 
  the Australian Bush Flower Essence "Emergency" too. I used it on Zelda, 
  my JR x because she's deathly afraid of the darn fireworks. I couldn't 
  believe it when she fell asleep on the couch during the worst of it 
  tonight. She even went outside under her own power to go potty later, 
  unheard of for her during fireworks season. I wish I had known that it 
  was going to be this effective sooner, I'd have ordered as much as I could 
  afford to donate to the local shelter.Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  


Thank you! I ordered some 
from EntirelyPets.com for a very good price and I can't believe how fast 
they got it here. It does seem to be helping.


In a message dated 7/3/2006 
10:08:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
I've 
  been away from the 'puter all weekend, so I don't know if anybody else 
  suggested this, but Feliway diffusers and spray (can) help calm (some) 
  kitties :) I use both (altho I'm a bit behind on the diffusers - $$$ 
  ya know) but I have an IC (interstitial cystitis) kitty who is very 
  sensitive to . basically everything, he's jumpy and somewhat skittish 
  - HATES the 4th - and it helps - it also helps make his brother a bit less 
  of a bully, mostly. 
:)

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Re: Wherefore art thou, Othello? (bandaid hints)

2006-07-04 Thread felv




LOL, yeah, well, I have a day job that requires I use my fingers and hands 
all day, repetitively, so any painful cat scratch is a torment all day. Lots of 
trail and error. There's a story behind every scar though, someday, when I'm an 
old lady, and my great-grandkids visit me, I will be able to tell them all about 
each of them. :)

Phaewryn

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DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital 
camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! 
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Re: Fwd: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health





I use clumping litter, so I appreciate your posting this to the list.
The brand of clumping litter I get at Costco is LitterPurrfect. It
doesn't contain sodium bentonite, but it does have silica gel. Do you
know if this is dangerous as well? The box still warns against
flushing the litter, so it makes me wonder. It says it's 99% dust
free, so that should help with the inhalant risks. I did a quick
search and this is what I found on the Arm  Hammer website about
their litter, (couldn't find a website for LitterPurrfect). I'm always
skeptical of any manufacturer's claims of safety etc. What do you
think?

 The silica gel beads used in "crystal" cat
litters have an amorphous structure and pose no health hazard to the
consumer (both the cat and its owner). Silica gel used for cat litters
is chemically similar to silica gels used as desiccants (humidity
absorbents found in bags, purses, etc.) but are structurally different,
designed to remain intact in the presence of liquids (desiccant silica
gels fracture in the presence of liquids). Silica gel crystals used for
cat litter absorb cat urine into its internal pore structure, then
allows the water to slowly evaporate. 

When mixed at appropriate levels with scoopable or clumping clay,
silica gel crystals add its absorbing properties to that of the clay,
without interfering with the clumping properties of the clay and
without having the negative properties associated with 100% silica gel
crystals, such as potential cat rejection. The presence of silica gel
crystals in our clumping litter also signals that the product is
different and better than conventional clumping litter. 

I hate to give up the convenience of clumping litter, but of course if
I'm putting my cats at risk there's not debate. The website link
doesn't seem to be that current. While I was composing this post, I
did some more searching and I came up with an "all natural",
ingestible, corn based clumping litter called "World's best cat litter"
that talks about the dangers of respiratory aliments associated with
silica gels The problem is it doesn't seem to be available in the US.
Does anyone know of a natural clumping alternative that's available in
the US? Here's what I found on the wbct website:

 SILICA CAT LITTER
 
Silica gel litter is made from silica dioxide sand (the same material
found in quartz), oxygen and water. The gel contains millions of tiny
pores that can absorb up to 40 times their weight in moisture. It comes
in spheres (also called pearls), half spheres and crystal shapes.
Some manufacturers add dyes and scents, so you want to watch out for,
and avoid, those. The most worrying part of silica is that it is a
well known carcinogen (a substance that promotes cancer).


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  FYI, my mom sent me this.. I do not use this kind of litter, but
maybe some of you do... Hideyo-- what kind of litter do you use? This
website talks about kittens having problems from the litter.
  
  Michelle

ABFE - Emergency essence





I've heard they can be effective when added to their water dishes too.
The nice thing about flower essences is there is no adverse side
effects, according to the research I've done so far, they are
completely safe. I ordered it and another one called "Relationship"
from Earth Spirits, 
http://www.earthspirits-herbals.com/

I started looking into a fe that might help with Starman's itch. I
suspect he has some sort of allergy that is making him crazy.
Phaewryn, if I find something that works for Star, I'll let you know
for your little half bald baby.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  I really appreciate the tip - I'll look for
it. I'm a believer in the Bach Flower Essences (Rescue Remedy) - and I
wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't tried it myself. It's like
liquid valium for Phelix. Trouble with the flower remedies though is
that it's hard to get them into a kitty who has totally gone insane. I
try to put it in the water and I've heard you can apply behind the
ears. The Feliway does seems to be making a difference - and I'm very
glad it came before the neighborhood turns into a 4th of July artillery
zone.
  
  
  In a message dated 7/4/2006 12:08:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Do try the Australian Bush Flower Essence "Emergency" too. I
used it on Zelda, my JR x because she's deathly afraid of the darn
fireworks. I couldn't believe it when she fell asleep on the couch
during the worst of it tonight. She even went outside under her own
power to go potty later, unheard of for her during fireworks season. I
wish I had known that it was going to be this effective sooner, I'd
have ordered as much as I could afford to donate to the local shelter.
Nina

Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health

I think that one of the websites my mom sent me mentioned silica being bad
also. I can see if I can find it. You can probably find info on it by
doing a search on cat litter and silica.

Michelle

In a message dated 7/4/2006 4:57:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I use
clumping litter, so I appreciate your posting this to the list. The
brand of clumping litter I get at Costco is LitterPurrfect. It doesn't
contain sodium bentonite, but it does have silica gel. Do you know if
this is dangerous as well? The box still warns against flushing the
litter, so it makes me wonder. It says it's 99% dust free, so that
should help with the inhalant risks. I did a quick search and this is
what I found on the Arm Hammer website about their litter, (couldn't
find a website for LitterPurrfect). I'm always skeptical of any
manufacturer's claims of safety etc. What do you think? The silica gel beads used in "crystal" cat litters have an
amorphous structure and pose no health hazard to the consumer (both the cat
and its owner). Silica gel used for cat litters is chemically similar to
silica gels used as desiccants (humidity absorbents found in bags, purses,
etc.) but are structurally different, designed to remain intact in the
presence of liquids (desiccant silica gels fracture in the presence of
liquids). Silica gel crystals used for cat litter absorb cat urine into its
internal pore structure, then allows the water to slowly evaporate.

Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health




This is what i found on one of the web pages my mom sent me:


Most, if not all, clay litters contain silica, which is potentially harmful. 
>From a Web 
page at The Andersons' Web site (manufacturers of FIELDFresh): 
"Crystalline Silica, once airborne, shows the ability of causing Silicosis. This 
can cause incurable lesions on the lungs and throat, rendering that tissue 
useless for transferring oxygen. Crystalline Silica is a naturally occurring 
element, also known as Quartz, and is found in some of the clay litters. ... 
According to government standards, silica is a known carcinogen and a Prop 65 
material in California." 

Yours is mostly dust-free, so maybe it is ok. I would be paranoid 
about it, though. The dessicant stuff that Arm and Hammer compares it to is 
definitely harmful if eaten (that's what all those little bags in vitamin 
bottles are filled with, and they always say "caution: do not eat" on them), and 
they do tend to get litter on their paws and lick their paws.

The websites my mom sent recommend using corn or wheat litter, or using 
recycled newspaper litter (they say that the chemical that used to make ink 
harmful is now illegal for newspapers to use, but I still don't like the idea of 
any ink being in the litter box). I use Worlds' Best Cat Litter, which is 
made of corn, and is great. It clumps just enough to be able to scoop it, but 
the clumps are soft, not hard, and it is just corn, which is digestible if 
swallowed, and safe. One of the websites my mom sent me said it is the 
safest, healthiest, and most environmental of the litters. Another said it is 
not the best because the corn is not organic and hence has some pesticides on 
it, and recommended using an organic wheat litter or recycled newspaper litter 
instead. There are apparently other plant-based litters also, like ones 
made out of kanaf.

Hope this helps,
Michelle

Re: ABFE - Emergency essence

2006-07-04 Thread Marylyn

My alternative vet tells me to put drops on their
heads (or as close to them as possible). The Royal Princess Kitty Katt let
me put them on her when I could not get her to take meds or supplements or
anything. She seemed to know they were meant to help.

If you have men who will exclude any of God's
creatures
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who

will deal likewise with their fellow
man.
St. Francis

- Original Message -
From:
Nina

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:10
PM
Subject: ABFE - Emergency essence
I've heard they can be effective when added to their water
dishes too. The nice thing about flower essences is there is no adverse
side effects, according to the research I've done so far, they are completely
safe. I ordered it and another one called "Relationship" from Earth
Spirits, http://www.earthspirits-herbals.com/I
started looking into a fe that might help with Starman's itch. I suspect
he has some sort of allergy that is making him crazy. Phaewryn, if I
find something that works for Star, I'll let you know for your little half
bald baby.Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I really appreciate the tip - I'll look for
it. I'm a believer in the Bach Flower Essences (Rescue Remedy) - and I
wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't tried it myself. It's like
liquid valium for Phelix. Trouble with the flower remedies though is
that it's hard to get them into a kitty who has totally gone insane. I
try to put it in the water and I've heard you can apply behind the
ears. The Feliway does seems to be making a difference - and I'm very
glad it came before the neighborhood turns into a 4th of July artillery
zone.

In a message dated 7/4/2006 12:08:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do
try the Australian Bush Flower Essence "Emergency" too. I used it on
Zelda, my JR x because she's deathly afraid of the darn fireworks. I
couldn't believe it when she fell asleep on the couch during the worst of
it tonight. She even went outside under her own power to go potty
later, unheard of for her during fireworks season. I wish I had
known that it was going to be this effective sooner, I'd have ordered as
much as I could afford to donate to the local
shelter.Nina

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Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health

Thanks.  So you can get World's Best Cat Litter in the US?  When I found 
their website they didn't have a retailer listed in the US.  Where do 
you buy it?  I'm guessing it's pricey too.  I'm pleased about using 
something that is biodegradable and not a health risk to me or my 
babies, but I'm not to worried about my cats pooping in non-organic 
litter. 
N


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I use Worlds' Best Cat Litter, which is made of corn, and is great. It 
clumps just enough to be able to scoop it, but the clumps are soft, 
not hard, and it is just corn, which is digestible if swallowed, and 
safe.  One of the websites my mom sent me said it is the safest, 
healthiest, and most environmental of the litters. Another said it is 
not the best because the corn is not organic and hence has some 
pesticides on it, and recommended using an organic wheat litter or 
recycled newspaper litter instead.  There are apparently other 
plant-based litters also, like ones made out of kanaf.
 
Hope this helps,

Michelle

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They are absorbed well if you rub them on the skin inside the ear, where 
you would put transdermal meds.

Michelle

In a message dated 7/4/2006 5:34:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  My alternative vet tells me to put drops on their 
  heads (or as close to them as possible). The Royal Princess Kitty Katt 
  let me put them on her when I could not get her to take meds or supplements or 
  anything. She seemed to know they were meant to help.

Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health

2006-07-04 Thread Tad Burnett





I have heard that a problem with corn litter is that dogs can't eat
just one !!!
And some have been hospitalized from eating too much
Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Yes, I have to say I found the organic thing kind of amusing. I
eat organic food myself, and try to buy it for the animals, but never
really thought about organic litter! :) 
  
  I have found it in every pet food store I have shopped at,
except maybe the big ones like Petsmart. Basically any place that
sellshealthycat foodslike Wellness and Innova should carry it. 
  
  It is pricey. I think it's $17 for a 20 pound bag. But it lasts
a really long time. You can scoop it, and it keeps odor down better
than any cat litter I have ever found. It has no odor itself, other
than a faint corn smell.
  
  Michelle
  
  In a message dated 7/4/2006 6:15:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Thanks. So you can get World's Best Cat Litter in the US?
When I found 
their website they didn't have a retailer listed in the US. Where do 
you buy it? I'm guessing it's pricey too. I'm pleased about using 
something that is biodegradable and not a health risk to me or my 
babies, but I'm not to worried about my cats pooping in non-organic 
litter. 
N

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I did not use this in the house when my dogs were alive, so it's possible. 
I have been worried that it is attracting mice (we have a lot of mice in the 
house, judging from Lucy's hunting exploits), which is why I had switched to 
pine. I switched back because Lucy got sick around the same time I 
switched. If the mice like it, which I think they do (it's probably like a 
buffet to them), dogs might also.
Michelle

In a message dated 7/4/2006 7:11:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have 
  heard that a problem with corn litter is that dogs can't eat just one 
  !!!And some have been hospitalized from eating too 
muchTad

Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health





On second thought, though... the corn litter I use is tiny little hard 
pieces of corn. Are there really a lot of dogs who would eat that? Or is there 
another kind of corn litter that is in another form?

I guess it's hard to predict what dogs will eat, though!

Michelle

In a message dated 7/4/2006 7:11:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have 
  heard that a problem with corn litter is that dogs can't eat just one 
  !!!And some have been hospitalized from eating too 
muchTad

Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health





Lucy just kills them, but does not eat them. Patches just watches 
them. Not sure what to do about them. I tried changing the litter, but the pine 
I switched to may have made Lucy sick. Wheat would probably attract mice too. 
Clay isn't good for the cats. And I am skittish of the ink in the recycled 
newspaper. What to do? maybe I will try to order the kanaf litter online. Do 
mice eat kanaf? i don't think it is a grain, I think it is something they make 
paper out of, like a bamboo-type plant...
Michelle

In a message dated 7/4/2006 7:25:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And the 
  cats might get sick from eating too many mice 
Tad

Re: ABFE - Emergency essence





Patches does this from anxiety. it is not an allergy with her, it is 
anxiety. But she does not do it anymore, because I put compounded transdermal 
benadryl in her ears twice a day. If I stop doing that, because I run out or 
something, she picks right up and starts at her belly and legs again. But if she 
gets it twice a day, the hair all grows back and she doesn't do it. The benadryl 
just takes the edge off, I guess. 

Even though benadryl is not a prescription, you need your vet to call in a 
prescription to a compounding pharmacy to get it compounded to transdermal. 
Don't use the benadryl cream from the drug store-- that is topical cream, not 
transdermal.

Michelle

In a message dated 7/4/2006 7:57:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I 
  would be very interested in that too. My Phelix has a half-bald 
  belly..and his back legs are little granny legs because he has chewed the hair 
  off of them. I've had him tested for ringworm and every skin disease 
  known. I've tried moisturizing washes for cats, Rescue Remedy 
  cream...everything. We even did immunoRegulin to build up his 
  system. Nothing has worked. The vet thinks it is allergies. 
  Someone on this list, however, recommended the book "The Cat Who Cried for 
  Help" - and after reading that I'm wondering if it isn't a form of 
OCD.

Re: ABFE - Emergency essence





Thank you for telling me this - and the explanation of the 
difference. I'll talk to my vet this week. Fortunately there is a 
compounding pharmacy just up the road.

elizabeth

In a message dated 7/4/2006 5:00:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  Patches does this from anxiety. it is not an allergy with her, it is 
  anxiety. But she does not do it anymore, because I put compounded transdermal 
  benadryl in her ears twice a day. If I stop doing that, because I run out or 
  something, she picks right up and starts at her belly and legs again. But if 
  she gets it twice a day, the hair all grows back and she doesn't do it. The 
  benadryl just takes the edge off, I guess. 
  
  Even though benadryl is not a prescription, you need your vet to call in 
  a prescription to a compounding pharmacy to get it compounded to transdermal. 
  Don't use the benadryl cream from the drug store-- that is topical cream, not 
  transdermal.
  
  Michelle
  
  In a message dated 7/4/2006 7:57:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I 
would be very interested in that too. My Phelix has a half-bald 
belly..and his back legs are little granny legs because he has chewed the 
hair off of them. I've had him tested for ringworm and every skin 
disease known. I've tried moisturizing washes for cats, Rescue Remedy 
cream...everything. We even did immunoRegulin to build up his 
system. Nothing has worked. The vet thinks it is 
allergies. Someone on this list, however, recommended the book "The 
Cat Who Cried for Help" - and after reading that I'm wondering if it isn't a 
form of OCD.

Re: Lucy update

Michelle,  That sounds much better...I sure hope it was the pine litter..It does sound like it could be and/or maybe she just had a little infection going on like Inky did when they put him on the metro med...I would still try adding a little oat bran to her turkey..I put around a tsp on Inky's..Also, did you ever use slippery elm? I used that for Inky at times, too..  Thoughts and prayers with you 2..  Kerry and Bandy 
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Re: Lucy update





I am using rice bran now, which I hope helps. I have used slippery elm in 
the past, but it seems to increase Lucy's diarrhea when she has it. 
Thanks,
Michelle

In a message dated 7/4/2006 10:19:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Michelle,
  That sounds much better...I sure hope it was the pine litter..It does 
  sound like it could be and/or maybe she just had a little infection going on 
  like Inky did when they put him on the metro med...I would still try adding a 
  little oat bran to her turkey..I put around a tsp on Inky's..Also, did you 
  ever use slippery elm? I used that for Inky at times, too..
  Thoughts and prayers with you 2..
  Kerry and Bandy

Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health

Speaking for my dogs, they might be more apt to forage freely if the 
chewy goodness was contained in a more palatable crunchy coating!  Most 
of my litter boxes are in dog free zones.  I have a couple that are in 
the aforementioned trouble spots were litterbox aversion has occurred 
in general population areas.  I'm getting tired just thinking about 
this, ah for the days when I didn't know better about anything.

N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On second thought, though... the corn litter I use is tiny little hard 
pieces of corn. Are there really a lot of dogs who would eat that? Or 
is there another kind of corn litter that is in another form?
 
I guess it's hard to predict what dogs will eat, though!
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 7/4/2006 7:11:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I have heard that a problem with corn litter is that dogs can't
eat just one !!!
And some have been hospitalized from eating too much
Tad

Re: ABFE - Emergency essence





Something that has helped Starman is using corn starch baby powder on
the inflamed areas, it seems to sooth the itch better than any cream or
salve I've tried. I try to avoid it, but when things get really bad I
give him 1/2 to a whole antihistamine, (Star weighs close to 20lbs, is
Phelix the cat with "big bones"?) . The vet recommended
Chlorpheniramine over the ingredient in Benadryl. I'll certainly pass
along anything I find that helps relieve itching.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  I would be very interested in that too. My Phelix has a
half-bald belly..and his back legs are little granny legs because he
has chewed the hair off of them. I've had him tested for ringworm and
every skin disease known. I've tried moisturizing washes for cats,
Rescue Remedy cream...everything. We even did immunoRegulin to build
up his system. Nothing has worked. The vet thinks it is allergies.
Someone on this list, however, recommended the book "The Cat Who Cried
for Help" - and after reading that I'm wondering if it isn't a form of
OCD.

Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health





What's next, hemp litter? That would make Woody Harrelson happy.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Lucy just kills them, but does not eat them. Patches just
watches them. Not sure what to do about them. I tried changing the
litter, but the pine I switched to may have made Lucy sick. Wheat would
probably attract mice too. Clay isn't good for the cats. And I am
skittish of the ink in the recycled newspaper. What to do? maybe I will
try to order the kanaf litter online. Do mice eat kanaf? i don't think
it is a grain, I think it is something they make paper out of, like a
bamboo-type plant...
  Michelle
  
  In a message dated 7/4/2006 7:25:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  And the cats might get sick from eating too many mice 
Tad

Re: Lucy update


Kerry,
I've read that pure rice bran is a better alternative than oat bran for 
cats.  You can get it at the health food store.  I can't remember the 
'whys' of the debate, but at the time I decided it was worth changing to 
rice bran.

Nina

Kerry Roach wrote:


Michelle,
That sounds much better...I sure hope it was the pine litter..It does 
sound like it could be and/or maybe she just had a little infection 
going on like Inky did when they put him on the metro med...I would 
still try adding a little oat bran to her turkey..I put around a tsp 
on Inky's..Also, did you ever use slippery elm?  I used that for Inky 
at times, too..

Thoughts and prayers with you 2..
Kerry and Bandy

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