Re: Let's hear it for staghorn sumac!
This message is from: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have and do enjoy the splendid effect of sumac when it colours the hills red in the fall and value it as a food source for deer and birds. Normally I refuse to allow any "trimming" .. but in this case, we are trying to recover an old pasture and so the decorative effect is not on the top of the list -- we just need more space for horses and the sumac are in no danger of disappearing from the rest of our property. Ditto for the oak, which we love but not if it's going to make my horses sick!
Re: Acorns & other stuff...
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Regarding miniature goats. When I visited my niece in Montana in the fall she had just acquired a miniature doe. It had been at a petting zoo and was ill and my niece must rescue the world. She had it trained to use a tub, she was raising it in the house, for the bathroom. As it grew so did its destructiveness! First the house plants, then the counters, you get the picture. There are also six dogs five cats, and a missing ferret in the house. Believe me this is not my style and it is a beautiful home. My niece just loves critters. She finally bought a second miniature and they are both (goats that is) living quite happily outside and nights in the big chicken coop. But they are destructive beasies. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Happy New Year
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hilarious Steve. Is this what you have to look at when messages come in HTML format? Happy New year to you and yours/ Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: pine trees and pigmy goats
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear ingrid, another thought on pygmies. they love to climb, more than any other goats. you have to make sure they have something to play on and can't get out over the fence. denise - Original Message - From: "Ingrid Ivic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Fjord Horse List Fjords Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2000 5:10 PM Subject: pine trees and pigmy goats > This message is from: Ingrid Ivic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > They aren't really eating a lot of pine, they just > > take a bite every now and then, but I guess all my pine trees will > > eventually be bare below five feet or so. But I've kept the pregnant mares > > out of that field, just in case pine needles are bad for them. > > > > Lori > > Hello Lori...happy New Year! > Our pasture and turnout paddocks are either in or surrounded by pine trees, > as this property was once a tree nursery. I wouldn't worry too much about the > horses eating a few needles, we've been here for a few years now and they > haven't been harmed by them. Even the mares and foals. This issue of the pines > was one of the first things I asked two vets about. I too, was pretty > concerned. Neither "doc" had heard of or treated any problems related to pines > so far. > The most bothersome thing about the trees has been the sap getting all over > the horses nice plush fur. It took me awhile, but I found it came out by > several different, gooey (peanut butter, vaseline, etc...) methods. > Yes, you're right, after several years, the trees will be bare below...with > limb pruning and fjord nibbling, it can't be helped. > As far as weeds go, I am thinking of acquiring one or two pygmy goats to help > out. I'm wondering if they'd be OK out in the paddock or pasture with one of > those plastic IGLOO dog houses for shelter, filled with straw? Anyone else out > there keep goats, to help with weed problems? Any suggestions as to keeping > them happy and comfortable? We haven't had goats before, but they are so > cutemy hubby just smiles and shakes his head..."we'll be getting MORE > animals" he asks!?! > Ingrid in Ohio >
Re: pine trees and pigmy goats
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear ingrid, i keep my two nubian goats out with my two fjords. they started out in a large dog-sized two story home-built doghouse hand me down shelter. the first day, my fjords insisted on nosing around, trying to get at the hay inside. to eat of course! by the second day they had flattened it to the ground and eaten all the hay!! we re-erected it and repaired the siding. some of it was broken into several pieces. they would'nt leave it alone, so i ended up putting up a wire fence, 4" squares, and topped it off with hot wire. now they leave it alone, except down at the bottom where some of the feed and alfalfa falls through the fence. the ground around the goat enclosure is polished smooth from those prehensile fjord lips, looking for a snippit of something to eat. the goats play with the horses and are free to come and go as they please. denise in sierra foothills of calif. - Original Message - From: "Ingrid Ivic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Fjord Horse List Fjords Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2000 5:10 PM Subject: pine trees and pigmy goats > This message is from: Ingrid Ivic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > They aren't really eating a lot of pine, they just > > take a bite every now and then, but I guess all my pine trees will > > eventually be bare below five feet or so. But I've kept the pregnant mares > > out of that field, just in case pine needles are bad for them. > > > > Lori > > Hello Lori...happy New Year! > Our pasture and turnout paddocks are either in or surrounded by pine trees, > as this property was once a tree nursery. I wouldn't worry too much about the > horses eating a few needles, we've been here for a few years now and they > haven't been harmed by them. Even the mares and foals. This issue of the pines > was one of the first things I asked two vets about. I too, was pretty > concerned. Neither "doc" had heard of or treated any problems related to pines > so far. > The most bothersome thing about the trees has been the sap getting all over > the horses nice plush fur. It took me awhile, but I found it came out by > several different, gooey (peanut butter, vaseline, etc...) methods. > Yes, you're right, after several years, the trees will be bare below...with > limb pruning and fjord nibbling, it can't be helped. > As far as weeds go, I am thinking of acquiring one or two pygmy goats to help > out. I'm wondering if they'd be OK out in the paddock or pasture with one of > those plastic IGLOO dog houses for shelter, filled with straw? Anyone else out > there keep goats, to help with weed problems? Any suggestions as to keeping > them happy and comfortable? We haven't had goats before, but they are so > cutemy hubby just smiles and shakes his head..."we'll be getting MORE > animals" he asks!?! > Ingrid in Ohio >
Re: pine trees and pigmy goats
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ingrid, everyone, We have two goats, a Nubian and a Fainting goat. The Nubian is the biggest brat we have ever seen as he can get into everything one can imagine. The up side is he is like a dog, greeting everyone who comes over, trying to jump on their cars for a ride, etc. He is an awesome "babysitter" for our two year old. Whenever he is out of sight, all we have to do is look for the goats. The fainting goat is much calmer, probably because he drops like a brick whenever he gets startled, which took us all quite a bit to get used to. He is quite tiny and bright white. The horses all seem to like the goats. Ours have free run of the property and eat all the weeds, graze with the horses, plus get their own feed. They sleep in a pile of hay in the barn. Usually. We have found them on the front porch on occasion, but as they have gotten older, that seems to have stopped. Lately, they, the cats, and dogs have been found all bundled up together in their hay pile. Both of our goats are males, "withered", I think the term is for castarated. We did start off with two females, but they seemed to be more testy. Hope this is of some help. Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI http://hometown.aol.com/heithingi/BaileysNorwegianFjords.html
RE: What size "bale a day"?
This message is from: Evers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The hay we are feeding is a nice Orchard grass in two string bales that go about 60 - 65 lbs per bale. So I guess that means the horses are getting approximately 10 lbs each, twice a day. They are not wasting any ( ie. no hay trampled into the dirt around the feeder ) and are all nicely fat but not rotund, so I guess we must be feeding about the right amount. Just for info: We used to have a QH stallion that would eat ( and clean up completely ) a 50- 60lb bale every day, by himself, along with his ration of grain and you could still just almost see his ribs. Wish I had a metabolism like that! ;) He did spend all his spare time running up and down the hill in his approximately 1 acre pasture though. Happy New Year to all, Amy ( Here in central Oregon where everything is Y2-ok! ) Bud, Tillie & Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589 "Speak yer mind, but ride a fast horse."
Re: pine trees and pigmy goats
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You may have over-estimated the interest goats have in weeds that your horses don't like. What are you hoping they will eat?Goats do like woody plants (your newly planted young fruit trees, for example) but I would guess the Fjords will eat them as well. My experience with goats and cows together was that they both like and dislike most of the same things - though they have differing ideas about which is the broccoli (sp) and which is the dessert. :) > As far as weeds go, I am thinking of acquiring one or two pygmy goats > to help >out. I'm wondering if they'd be OK out in the paddock or pasture with one of >those plastic IGLOO dog houses for shelter, filled with straw? Anyone else out >there keep goats, to help with weed problems? Any suggestions as to keeping >them happy and comfortable? We haven't had goats before, but they are so >cutemy hubby just smiles and shakes his head..."we'll be getting MORE >animals" he asks!?! > Ingrid in Ohio > > Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Clicker List Web Site : http://clickryder.cjb.net
pine trees and pigmy goats
This message is from: Ingrid Ivic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > They aren't really eating a lot of pine, they just > take a bite every now and then, but I guess all my pine trees will > eventually be bare below five feet or so. But I've kept the pregnant mares > out of that field, just in case pine needles are bad for them. > > Lori Hello Lori...happy New Year! Our pasture and turnout paddocks are either in or surrounded by pine trees, as this property was once a tree nursery. I wouldn't worry too much about the horses eating a few needles, we've been here for a few years now and they haven't been harmed by them. Even the mares and foals. This issue of the pines was one of the first things I asked two vets about. I too, was pretty concerned. Neither "doc" had heard of or treated any problems related to pines so far. The most bothersome thing about the trees has been the sap getting all over the horses nice plush fur. It took me awhile, but I found it came out by several different, gooey (peanut butter, vaseline, etc...) methods. Yes, you're right, after several years, the trees will be bare below...with limb pruning and fjord nibbling, it can't be helped. As far as weeds go, I am thinking of acquiring one or two pygmy goats to help out. I'm wondering if they'd be OK out in the paddock or pasture with one of those plastic IGLOO dog houses for shelter, filled with straw? Anyone else out there keep goats, to help with weed problems? Any suggestions as to keeping them happy and comfortable? We haven't had goats before, but they are so cutemy hubby just smiles and shakes his head..."we'll be getting MORE animals" he asks!?! Ingrid in Ohio
Romulus
This message is from: " Dave McWethy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I see my name mentioned next to Romulus. Brian is training him to drive. I admired him and watched Brian ground drive him. He is a little demanding, but not a bad guy, very smart, and very nice to look at. I think it is a good move to have him trained this way, and he is well worth it. He needs a firm consistent hand, and is responding well to Brian. He's one to keep an eye on. As to the thought of buying him - I'd love to, except I am trying to go the other direction. I am doing very little breeding and no raising of young ones, so I should be selling my own stallion.
Visit
This message is from: " Dave McWethy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Now I've got my feet back on the ground,I wanted to tell the list I had a chance to visit Brian and Ursula Jensen at their farm over Christmas. I went with my family to Seattle and Whistler BC, and had a day I could drive over the hills (big and numerous) to see them. I had never been in BC before, and was dazzled by the views. I kept being reminded of Norway. Howe Sound on the way to Whistler is a proper fjord, and the route from Kamloops to Lumby reminded me of the fields of the south of Norway. Brian and Ursula are in a nice spot on a ridge looking out on snow covered hills. I enjoyed seeing their nice horses (I've always been a fan of Sambar), and Brian hitched his four so we could go out to drive in his snow covered field. They were fit and eager, but responsive. He has done a great job with them, and undoubtedly gotten good attention for the breed. It makes the world a more familiar place when you get to see where your friends live. I hope they will return the visit some day.
Re: fjordhorse-digest V100 #2
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/2/00 11:05:10 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << ticket purchasers can't be trusted (for foal care); >> This sure makes sense to me since "anybody" can buy a ticket and I wouldn't trust just "anybody" with my horses. I would trust most of the people on this list. I was asked lots of questions and my facilities inspected before I got my mares. Gail
Re: Acorns & other stuff...
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> yes, i have seen mine eating acorns too. we have native california, white oak, blue oak, live oaks and black oaks. no problem for them. the eat the grass and the acorns in one mouthful. crunch, crunch. denise, central sierra nevadas. - Original Message - From: "Marsha Jo Hannah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: "Marsha Jo Hannah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2000 8:01 PM Subject: Re: Acorns & other stuff... > This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Jon & Mary Ofjord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > ...have any of you actually seen a horse eat acorns? I doubt they > > would want to eat them due to texture & palatability as they are very > > bitter...I know I tried to eat them as a kid. Native peoples used > > them by first soaking them in water to remove the tannins, then dried > > them and ground them into a nourishing flour. > > Yup. All 3 of my Fjords and my donkey relish acorns. (Note, these > are from "live oak" trees native to the California coast---a variety > that the Native Americans ate. Other parts of the country undoubtedly > have other species of oaks, so YMMV) When let out of their corral > during acorn season, my equines stop under the big oak tree in the > alleyway and "vacuum" for a while, before going out to where the grass > is. I've even seen them reach up and pick almost-ripe acorns off the > tree, then eat them! They don't eat a lot of them at any one session, > and don't seem to be bothered by the practice. > > Our pastures contain a variety of plants (native and non-) that are > "poisonous" to equines, as defined by the USDA pamphlets I got from > the local Ag Extension agent. (BTW, no mention is made therein of > oaks or acorns.) Anyway, my experience has been that, if there is > grass or other "good" forage available, my equines will concentrate on > it, and not bother with more than a sample mouthful of the "bad" stuff. > > OTOH, when this topic came up on the LONGEARS list, one member in far > Northern California reported having lost a jack to "oak poisoning". > His pen was under some deciduous variety of oaks, and he apparently > developed a taste for the fallen leaves---over several days, vacuumed > his pen clean of several inches depth of them, then refused to eat > anything else, and eventually died of it. > > Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! > 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. > >
Re: Acorns & other stuff...
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear lori, mine do the same thing. they don't eat a lot of the needles, just a mouthful or two, but their breath smells like a christmas tree! no ill effects. denise - Original Message - From: "Lori Albrough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2000 6:51 PM Subject: Re: Acorns & other stuff... > This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Jon & Mary Ofjord wrote: > > In re the discussion of acornshave any of you actually seen a horse > > eat acorns? I doubt they would want to eat them due to texture & > > palatability as they are very bitter... > > I sometimes think that the Fjord survival instinct is not bothered by such > inconsequentials as flavour. > > We recently fenced a field containing some white pine trees (which I like, > and didn't want killed off). The people we asked about the compatibility of > horses and pine trees all said the horses wouldn't eat the trees, too > bitter. The first day we brought the yearlings in I noticed they had > "Christmas Tree Breath". You guessed it, they stand out there, take a bite > of pine needles off the tree, and with a disgusted look on their face, chew > it up and swallow it. They aren't really eating a lot of pine, they just > take a bite every now and then, but I guess all my pine trees will > eventually be bare below five feet or so. But I've kept the pregnant mares > out of that field, just in case pine needles are bad for them. > > Lori >
Re: fjordhorse-digest V100 #2
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 01/02/2000 11:04:47 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > For those of you that have received your Winter issue of the Fjord Herald I thought I had renewed my subscription, but seen no winter issue yet. How do I find out if I have one coming or not? L.Day /Utah
Re: Libby 2000 Raffle
This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:28 AM 01/01/2000 -0800, you wrote: >This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi List, > >This is in response to Ruthie Bushnell's questions about raffling off a >Fjord colt. There were several reasons that we discontinued raffling a >colt. First the membership of the PNFPG is spread out accross the US and >Canada, getting the tickets and the money to Libby in time for the drawing >was very difficult, in some cases there were tickets & $ that never made it >to Libby. Another problem was the feelings from some of the membership that >we had no control of where that baby went, was it going to a good home, were >the people knowledgeable about the care of a young horse etc. One of the >babies developed an upper respiratory infection, luckily the people that won >him were very good horse people and could nurse it, which they did for most >of the first winter. The purchase price paid by PNFPG to the breeder for >the colt was to include the gelding of the colt, but when it came time to >geld it the breeder said no that that was not part of the purchase price. >My own personal problem with selling tickets for the colt were that as an >adult you understand that you're chances of winning are slim to none, but >kids will spend all of their allowance, birthday $ etc. believing in their >hearts that they're going to win that "pony". Gayle Ware can tell you about >all the crying little kids in Libby that didn't win. It broke my heart. >The last one we raffled the lady that won was a non-horse person, had no >desire for the horse, but took the colt instead of the 2,000 cash that was >offered, and promptly sold it on the spot for 2,500. which left a very bad >taste in ereryone's mouth. > >All in all it was not a good experience, we did raise money toward the show >expenses but not as much as you might think, the raffle we do now is far >more effective and far less stressful. Most of the items are donated and >brought to Libby by the participants. The raffle tickets are sold on the >spot, all we ask is that our membership each donate something, a lot do, >some don't, its their choice. > >I hope this answers the questions, if you have any other questions about the >raffle or the Libby show, please e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Happy New Year everyone, >Sherrie Dayton, >Libby Show Chairman > Sherrie, Gosh.. I can't respond to folks according to your reasons given for no foal raffle: we can't be trusted (PNFPG); ticket purchasers can't be trusted (for foal care); you might cry over 1 to 3,000 odds if you're a minor and learn how to loose; or, the breeder might cry (if you win and make a profit) or he might be crooked and renege. No.. if someone asks why we no longer raffle foals I think I'll just say, "DON'T EVEN ASK!" ;) Ruthie, NW MT
New List Info
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've had several people ask me about the digest on the new list. Why doesn't it come as regularly as it did from the old server? Here is the answer for all. The digest comes out slightly differently from the new server than it did from the old. On the old server, it came out when the digest size reached 40Kb and/or at 6:00 AM every day, irregardless of message traffic. With the new server, it doesn't come out until there is a message in the queue at least 24 hours old or the digest size reaches 40Kb. With the new server, you get a digest at least once a day, but a bit more erratically. -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd & Skipper -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA A canter is the cure for every evil. --Benjamin Disraeli(1804-1881)
market
This message is from: "saskia schoofs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, this morning I went to the market in my village. There is a small animal-section, with some horses, cows, etc. As it is January the 2nd, there were only 4 horses, but... one of them was a Fjord! He looked young, I think 18 months or something, a gelding and so sweet! But I didn't dare to make enquiries, for fear to "end up" with him, something I really can't afford right now. It's the first time I saw a Fjord on this market. So, I'm beginning this millennium in a hard, though responsible way, I dare say... best wishes! saskia
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Happy New Year from all of us at Beaver Dam Farm in warm Nova Scotia - Carol and Arthur Rivoire & all the crew Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Breeding Articles
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For those of you that have received your Winter issue of the Fjord Herald and are looking for the Articles on the nfhr.com web site that Dr Brian Jacobsen referred to in his Article they are now posted on the web site. Here is a link to them: http://www.nfhr.com/newsinfo.html#Articles Mike
