The PONY DRAFTS go show
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List ! We have been invited to compete in a real deal big time Draft Horse show here in Utah next weekend. Its in Parowan, a nearby town. They have quite a few entries, along with 5, " 6-ups ". People will be comming from 6 states and Canada to compete. There is no light horse or draft pony class so we will be out there trying not to get run over by the " REALLY BIG BOYS . " I will give a try at Ladies Team ( 2 ) and Jeff will drive in Mens Cart with a single. Cody will give the pair a try in Jr. Cart, and I fully expect to lose badly at most of those adventures ! However.they have an obstical course, cones with an " L " type, like in Libby, that is a timed event, galloping allowed, and we are gearing up to show those elephants how the Fjords do it ! Fun anyway to try this, and the winning premiums are nothing to sneeze at. $ 100.00 for first place.75.00 for 2nd.50.00 for third, 25.00 for 4th. Maybe we will win some of the 20.00 a class entry money back ! No grounds fee, no drug fee, no fee for showing out of trailer. Cant beat it. Will keep posted if anyones interested, and let you know the kind of response we get. So, far, its open arms...even asking for a " BIO " on the Fjords, so the crowd can be informed what the heck we are ! Lisa Pedersen Cedar City, UTAH clear, warm, cool nights.
Re: EASY BOOTS
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Marsha Jo Hannah has a great explanation...probably in the Fjord > list archivesthat talks about dealing with the space at the > back of the heela problem that is particularly bad with Fjords > that have the platter shaped draft horse feet. Um, thanks, but that wasn't me You had posted a pointer to a www site (which I saw go by again, in this discussion); I reviewed it, and commented that the method described took the "easy" out of Easy Boots! As did my "solution" of putting a gauze-and-tape "sock" on under a size 3 boot, to make it fit a size 2.75 hoof! Bottom line for me is that anything that's easy for me to put on is equally easy for my guys to step on and remove, again! Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Re: Turlock a success!!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Tillie- I had the pleasure of meeting Amy in Turlock, and thought she looked great with Taffeta and Bjorn-Knudsen. Seems like he can be a handful, and she managed him very well. Bjorn-Knudsen is by far the most unusual Fjord I've ever seen. An incredibly beautiful charcoal grey all over! The story of his rescue (apparently he weighed only 700lbs as an adult stallion) is touching. Brigid
Re: the Turlock report : )
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LOL! Yes, I was sorry I didn't see you this year. It was even better than last. Your son sounds like a great guy, but who on Earth can choose who they fall in love with? Hee hee... He'll find lots of great lonely gals in Half Moon Bay. So how are your horses? Brigid
Re: the Turlock report : )
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/26/00 3:57:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Congratulations Brigid and family not just for your ribbons and placings but because you obviously had a great time and gave such a descriptive report. thanks Jean >> You're welcome, Jean! Too bad I only remember a few placings. Perhaps next year (since we'll be volunteering anyway) we will post a complete list with further comments. Maybe I can afford to buy a new notebook computer and broadcast live from the Motel 6, like I did last year. However I don't know if I can stay awake to do so - I've never been so tired in my life : ) Happy Fjording, Brigid
Marnix
This message is from: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Super news Vivien .. what a wonderful success story, despite the little "issues" we can attribute to Marnix's intelligence .. this is good news for all of us, when one of "ours" does so well (to the amazement of non-fjord fans). And with an excellent whip behind him, of course! Congrats!
Re: EASY BOOTS
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:42 PM 9/26/2000 -0800, you wrote: >This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Check out the CD-L archives for easyboots. A lot of the drivers use them >http://listserv.dartmouth.edu/Archives/cd-l.html Marsha Jo Hannah has a great explanation...probably in the Fjord list archivesthat talks about dealing with the space at the back of the heela problem that is particularly bad with Fjords that have the platter shaped draft horse feet. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mame at Myopia
This message is from: Nancy Hotovy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean - Good job with Mame. We owned her as a youngster then sold her to Joe Hempel after her first Blue Earth Show. Haven't seen her since she went to the East Coast. Our son Michael was very young and wanted to show a horse in halter at Blue Earth. We let him take Mame in the 2 year old class and he was so intent on making her stand just perfect he forgot to look at anything else! The judge had to tap him on the shoulder to give her 1st place. Rich and I stood along the rail waving our arms trying to get Michael's attention to no avail. I guess just one more reason to start kids out at Fjord shows - a great learning experience. Anyway, Mame was a great filly and it's really nice to hear she is doing so well. Nancy Hotovy The Upper Forty
Re: EASY BOOTS
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Check out the CD-L archives for easyboots. A lot of the drivers use them http://listserv.dartmouth.edu/Archives/cd-l.html If that doesn't work tryhttp://www.trot-on.com/cd-l/ and scroll down to find the link to the archives Also, Easy boots have been discussed on Endurancenet Ridecamp. Some endurance riders use them for 50 and 100 mile rides and know how to put them on to stay with no rubbing, etc. http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp/ http://www.endurance.net/RideCamp/archives/ Jean in Cool Soggy Fairbanks, Alaska, anticipating snow in the air. Winter is coming! At 09:32 PM 9/26/2000 EDT, you wrote: >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Denise: My Fjord is only "ouchy" on gravel, etc., but I would like to use >Easy Boots for the occasional times when I would trailer him out to a park >that has rocky areas. I also do alot of riding on asphalt and I thought >perhaps the boots would reduce the impact of the hard road. Another >advantage is for winter riding, which I do alot of. Winters in Wisconsin can >be very snowy and icy. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EASY BOOTS
This message is from: "Denise's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sounds good to me. thanks for the booting tips, denise - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 6:32 PM Subject: Re: EASY BOOTS > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Denise: My Fjord is only "ouchy" on gravel, etc., but I would like to use > Easy Boots for the occasional times when I would trailer him out to a park > that has rocky areas. I also do alot of riding on asphalt and I thought > perhaps the boots would reduce the impact of the hard road. Another > advantage is for winter riding, which I do alot of. Winters in Wisconsin can > be very snowy and icy. I also feel that the boots are very economical-I > found them in a catalog for only $29.00 each. I would have to pay about > $75.00 for a set of shoes. So you see, I'd really like it if the Easy Boots > would work out for my guy. Thanks for your advice, I will try the tracing. > I'll let you know how it goes. Joni >
Re: EASY BOOTS
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Denise: My Fjord is only "ouchy" on gravel, etc., but I would like to use Easy Boots for the occasional times when I would trailer him out to a park that has rocky areas. I also do alot of riding on asphalt and I thought perhaps the boots would reduce the impact of the hard road. Another advantage is for winter riding, which I do alot of. Winters in Wisconsin can be very snowy and icy. I also feel that the boots are very economical-I found them in a catalog for only $29.00 each. I would have to pay about $75.00 for a set of shoes. So you see, I'd really like it if the Easy Boots would work out for my guy. Thanks for your advice, I will try the tracing. I'll let you know how it goes. Joni
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #251
This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good evening everyone. I am glad you enjoyed the poem "When I am old". Well I was just into the archive site and it is great. Like a horsemans bible. I got a great laugh out of a posting by Laurie Pittman in Feb, 99. She described Tor and I laughed my head off. He sounds like a regular character when he was young...and I thought Storm had an attitude. LOL. On the subject of tying, has anyone ever snapped a halter rope into the side ring on a halter rather than under the chin? Storm is still shut in a box stall at night. The first time we tied him (other than when he was trailored) He got his foot over the chain. My hubby rescued him. Then he unsnapped the snap...heaven knows how. After being retied...he not only unsnapped the snap again but resnapped it in a link of the tiechain after first wrapping the chain around one front leg...much like a circus elephant. I really would like to have had a video of that! (When I tie him again, I am using a soft, soft thick rope ...but was wondering about where to hook it to his halter.) My husband has a big solid App gelding that is a puller. Snapped every rope ever on him. He tried the chain...it would not give...so he gave up. That is why the chain went on Storm. But I won't use it again as I feel it is unsafe...and some others in here have emailed me agreeing. Thanks for any advice. It is much appreciated. Apparently what is safe for one horse is not always safe for another. Storm has certainly settled down since he was gelded. He much resembles a large teddy bear who I firmly believe would curl up in my lap if he could. He is 13.1 hands high now and weighs in the vicinity of 700 pounds. He is 17 months old. He is a gentleman in the barn...Outside he will lead a lot better for my husband than me...with me he would far rather stand there with his tongue hanging out for me to pat his nose...or else try to bow his neck and drag me in the opposite direction. I just had nose surgery 3 weeks ago (Deviated Septum) so I am supposed to be careful not to bump it. So I haven't really worked with him much outside lately. I did trim his mane and he is very good about standing still. Well I must go to bed. Happy Fjording everyone Sue in N.B. ( Desert Storm's mom)
Re: the Turlock report : )
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Congratulations Brigid and family not just for your ribbons and placings but because you obviously had a great time and gave such a descriptive report. thanks Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Side Step stirrups
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, I meant my matchmaking attempt to go privately, but maybe the public broadcast will yield a number of "interesting proposals." Right now, trying to clear off my desk. Valley vet sent me pictures of the "Side Step" stirrup. Incredibly dorky looking - hinged to the side, plastic, for western saddles (2 inch leathers). Expensive! Money back guarantee. After seeing a trainer who *can ride* trash his knee coming off a horse at the Bryan Neubert clinic (green, very frightened, troubled horse) I am willing to consider anything that might save my body parts. Anyone had any experience with this? Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: the Turlock report : )
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Hi Everyone- > >Well, we're not virgins anymore... myself, partner Jack, ... I drove the 120 miles to Turlock from Half Moon Bay, CA, Hi Brigid, I met you last year at Turlock. Did not go this year. Hey, dump this guy Jack, and take up with my son! Age 29 (well, 30 in October) rock climber, surfer, mountain biker...really nicesmartthoughtfulloves his dog, Woody, and just moved to Half Moon Bay. Women love him, but he has yet to find the right combo of intellect, physical fitness, and psychological health. You would do JUST FINE! We took him riding and he did OK. Or find him your twin sister. :) Gail Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: P.N.F.P.G. FALL MEETING
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Rollins) HERE ARE ALL THE PARTICULARS ON THE FALL MEETING. The meeting wll be held at the Rodeway Inn in Leaveworth, WA., on November 11th, 2000. We will begin gathering at 4:00, have dinner from 5:00 - 6:00, and the meeting will follow. The dinner will be a buffet of salmon and chicken, vegetables, rice, rolls, green salad, dessert & coffee. The cost for the dinner is $25.00. The cost of dinner, room for 2, and breakfast is 62.00 per person. All prices already include taxes and gratuity. The phone # is 1-(509)- 548-7992 to make room and dinner reservations. Please do not call me as the Inn needs the accurate counts. I am looking forward to seeing many of you there. Please bring your show photos, ideas, and energy! There will be photos from Libby there to purchase as well as an assortment of fjord items. See you in November! Respectfully submitted, Kathleen Rollins, pnfpg secretary
the Turlock report : )
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone- Well, we're not virgins anymore... myself, partner Jack, and Fjords "Anvil's Tommes & Rafael" participated in our first show! We had a WONDERFUL time. I can't stress enough the feeling of comeraderie and friendship among the competitors. FIRST DAY Tommes & Rafael load right into the trailer, despite the fact that they haven't seen it for a year (their breakfast was waiting inside!). I drove the 120 miles to Turlock from Half Moon Bay, CA, with my stomach growling (I get carsick if I eat before traveling). Arriving at the fairgrounds, we have instant sensory overload. Fjords everywhere! Familiar faces! I spent an hour saying "aren't you... didn't I see you last year/in a magazine/ on the list/ etc.?" We got the horses washed and settled in their stalls. They were very excited to be in a new place and see so many of their own "people." That night, we enjoyed a potluck and meeting of Fjordings West. Catherine Lasseson handed the "crown" to Karen McCarthy, who will be our new president. Jack was volunteered to be next year's barn manager : )After the meeting it was time for Playday! What a gas. We enjoyed watching pole bending, relays and other games including the famous "Lutefisk Race." Our horses were still too excited and ran 40mph while we, their hapless riders, attempted to pick up a stuffed fish. It was great fun. SECOND DAY We saddled up and rode around the Skandi village. I'd swear we never went more than 3 steps at a time before being surrounded my people. We answered many questions about Fjords including their Viking history, their care, and the fact that we don't dye the mane! Tommes & Rafael love to socialize, so they had a great time. Suddenly the announcer says, "5 minute call for walk-trot adults." Yikes! That's us! So we hightailed it back to the arena, to wait an hour and a half for our division (we were in Western, not English). We quickly discovered the show saying of "hurry up and wait!" By now our horses were more relaxed and into the groove of things, so we felt confident in their abilities. FINALLY time to go. This is it, our show debut! Thank God someone called for a tack break, as we got to walk around the arena 2 times before we were "officially" being judged. Tommes decides the first order of business is to stop and take a dump. Couldn't he have done that sometime in the pre! vi! ous hour and a half? LOL. So we walk and trot, reverse, and line up. Tommes felt awesome, relaxed and happy. I know we did our best. The announcer calls out first, second, third, fourth, and fifth place (next year, someone needs to clue in the announcer that it's supposed to be called out the other way). I figure we haven't placed. Oh well. Then he says, "Sixth place, number 77." We all look around. there is no 77. Wait a minute, my number's 11, that's me! Someone corrects the announcer and my name goes over the loud speaker. Yippee! I feel like I've won the Grand Prix. Flush with victory, we wash and feed our horses, then watch some of the other divisions. Fellow newcomer Lori Osmond and "Jess" took 1st place in their division, novice English! Way to go Lori. I finally got to see the famous Woodland's Dustin, and I wasn't disappointed. I'd swear that stallion's hooves never touched the ground. "Dusty" and owner Gayle Ware cleaned up in their divisions. We were also happy to see more Icelandics this year, and the rare Gotland Ponies with their fearless pony club girls riding. Hold Your Horses put on a demo of disbled riders. What a wonderful service to the community. DAY THREE More socializing in the Skandi village. Tommes amazes me by showing no fear of wheelchairs and other unusual things. Fjords just seem drawn to people with special needs. Jack & I study the trail class pattern and attempt to memorize it. I go first. Tommes decides he'll have nothing to do with the obstacles (he's the type to go around things instead), and we blunder through the class. Oh well. I praise him for trying, and we exit. Now it's Jack and Rafael's turn. To my surprise, they ace the course (they hadn't practiced in weeks, but Rafael seems to have an affinity for obstacle courses). Rafael walks cleanly over the logs, over the bridge, stops and backs like a pro, then breaks into a clean trot. Into the "box", around the single cone, never breaking the trot (many horses did, due to the small space). This big drafty horse was practically bent in half! Trot out, around the cones, over the logs, then to the sidepass. Well, he doesn't know sidepass, so Jack had to stop there. However many horses didn't sidepass, so I figured with a run like that they had to place. ALL DAY we waited for the results. In the meantime I assisted KC and "Trond" in the Ride-to-Drive Class. They took second place, and she gave me her ribbon for assisting! Now that's fjord people... We were treated to a freestyle reining demo by Gayle a
Turlock a success!!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Amy and Bud are home from Turlock, and I got a good nights sleep. They are watching the Olympic dressage on TV. I have unpacked and cleaned the camper, now I am ready to go. Where is the next show or fun day? A little brag as Amy did OK with Taffy, a Blue in green horse pleasure driving. A second in novice pleasure driver. Thirds in Halter mares (13 in class), Adult walk/jog western pleasure, A 4 in ride to drive and open obstacle scurry. With Bjorn-Knutson she got a third in novice obstacle driving, and a fourth in halter stallions, it was his very first show. Congratulations to everyone that brought home the hard earned ribbons from Turlock. Tillie (in Central Oregon where its fall for sure.) Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud, Tillie & Amy Evers Redmond OR [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Re: Ive Landed in FjordLand
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Cheryl- Welcome to the Fjord world! I hope you had a wonderful time at Skandifest. We were there all three days. We had Anvil's Tommes & Rafael, the "big guys" riding through the Skandi village showing off and making announcements : ) I'm sure the members of this list will be happy to answer your many questions. That's what we;re here for! Brigid in CA
Re: Re:'pride ranch'
This message is from: "Denise's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thanks mary. i did'nt have their email. - Original Message - From: "Mary Thurman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 8:26 AM Subject: Re:'pride ranch' > This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > --- Denise's <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This message is from: "Denise's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > listers, > > does anyone know who owns "pride ranch" in montana, > > or where they are > > located? > > Denise, > > Could that possibly be "Proud Bottom Ranch"? They are > located in Hamilton, Montana. Owners are Joe and > Denise Galbraith... email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > This info comes from their ad in the Small Farmers > Journal, summer 2000. > > Mary > > > > > = > Mary Thurman > Raintree Farms > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ >
Re:'pride ranch'
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Denise's <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Denise's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > listers, > does anyone know who owns "pride ranch" in montana, > or where they are > located? Denise, Could that possibly be "Proud Bottom Ranch"? They are located in Hamilton, Montana. Owners are Joe and Denise Galbraith... email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] This info comes from their ad in the Small Farmers Journal, summer 2000. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: EASY BOOTS
This message is from: "MoonWise" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Joni, I too got EasyBoots for Mojave before I started shoeing her. We were taking long walks on very rocky ground and her hooves were chipping badly. Based on her measurements I ordered size 2 for her front feet and size 1 for her hind feet. The size 1 boots were too small, so I returned them for two more size 2 boots. Without going into all of the details here, there are almost infinite adjustments you can make to the boots, and the most comprehensive information is at: http://heather.greatbasin.com/~sportssaddle/Easyboot.html. I've trimmed away almost all of the heel cup and about half of the heel strap (Fjords seem to have low heels). Additionally, I covered the grip plates with duct tape and I find this works well. I have yet to try them over her new shoes, but they are supposed to work equally well over shoes, in addtion to serving in place of shoes. I hope this helps. Lori P. MoonWise Farm (now back on line in) Bella Vista, CA - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 9:40 PM Subject: RE: EASY BOOTS > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I just "took the plunge" and purchased "Easy Boots" for my gelding. The > problem is that there is alot of room at the heel. I can place my fingers > into the back-I would say there's at least 2 inches of space behind the heel > on the front. The hoof fits perfectly in the boot, but I'm concerned about > the space at the heel. Also, the hind has even more space at the heel. I > purchased a size 2. Should I try one size smaller for the hind hooves? I > will be calling the Co., but wanted to see if anyone out there had a similar > experience-any input? Joni in Wisconsin where Autumn is early and it's > perfect for riding! :-)
Re: Vivian -pictures -PLEASE
This message is from: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Dressage we scored a 32.7. This was the lowest dressage > score for all divisions and classes. This included Larry Poulin, Lisa Singer > and many other notables from all the classes, Advanced, Intermediate and > Prelim The judges were from England, California and Canada. The buzz was > that Marnix outclassed them all. Vivian,Congratulations. Would you please send me a picture for the new brochure? One of you competing at a CDE ..dressage?..yes, no maybe ...please. Thank you Pat
Re: Shedding
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi List, > I also own a Yak. It was told to me long ago that > the shedding of hair and > the growing of new coats has to deal with the amount > of daylight in the day, > and has nothing to do with the temperature. Sue, Aha!! This explains the mystery of why old Line grows coat - yards of it! - until about Christmas time and then promptly begins to shed it all out!! In clouds! She sheds from Christmas until Memorial Day(end of May), takes a short rest, then begins to shed/grow again in midsummer. At least the 'summer shed' isn't as copious, but it IS a nuisance. Our more 'modern' Fjords don't really seem to grow as much coat, nor to shed quite as frequently. The coats on our two geldings seemed to grow and shed based more on the weather. Anyone else noticed that? BTW, Line is 29 years old and is one of the 'old style' Fjords bred in Norway in the early '70's. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: EASY BOOTS
This message is from: "Denise's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear joni, best bet for fitting easy boots is to trace the hoof outline on a piece of paper and send it in to the company. that usually works. why do you want to use easy boots? is your horse "ouchy?" most fjords have pretty hard hooves. just curious, denise in no-cal. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 9:40 PM Subject: RE: EASY BOOTS > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I just "took the plunge" and purchased "Easy Boots" for my gelding. The > problem is that there is alot of room at the heel. I can place my fingers > into the back-I would say there's at least 2 inches of space behind the heel > on the front. The hoof fits perfectly in the boot, but I'm concerned about > the space at the heel. Also, the hind has even more space at the heel. I > purchased a size 2. Should I try one size smaller for the hind hooves? I > will be calling the Co., but wanted to see if anyone out there had a similar > experience-any input? Joni in Wisconsin where Autumn is early and it's > perfect for riding! :-) >
Re: Pride Ranch
This message is from: "Denise's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Denise I should think anyone would remember a name >like "Proud Bottom" :) . > Jean Gayle dear jean, i have no problem with the name. although i like, tight bottom, wrangler jean bottom, manly bottom or good looking tush, much better than proud bottom. it reminds me of proud flesh, yuck! my friend has the memory problem. i am just trying to help her out. lol., denise